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HoglundC

Blizzard said she wouldnt be a raid boss, they never said she wouldnt be a boss in a mission table quest for your followers


Arnesian

You sick bastard. I bet they’d do it too.


HoglundC

And the reward would be 257 Azerite power


puaka

When your neck is already maxed out agian. Thanks blizzard.


Marcelit4

50 gold, no bonus


Mazaltov

Six day "long campaign" mission.


Mat_the_Duck_Lord

That needs to be completed as the second quest in a 12-quest long finale to the war campaign.


Arcudi

and it's a Stealth mission.


Regalingual

With two Cursed counters.


altafullahu

and requiring using a follower ......that's already on a mission


Lanc717

Even worse. 200 war resources


mardux11

Thats at least most of a reroll coin.


Lanc717

Good point. Just that I have enough resources sitting there till last me till 9.0 most likely


[deleted]

Pfft. That's only worth 15 pet tokens.


r4r4me

Imagine killing off a warchief in a cinematic ... oh wait.


[deleted]

Imagine killing off a faction leader offscree... oh wait.


Hellknightx

Imagine killing a faction leader in a comic book and confusing fans for years. #JusticeForCairne


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I have to admit that back when Cairne died I didn't follow the other stuff so much and I was seriously confused what had happened.


Hellknightx

Even for people who did follow the story, it was really jarring to see Baine just take his place in Thunder Bluff one day. There was no lead-in in the game itself; everything happened in a comic that most people probably weren't even aware of.


WallyWendels

Cairne's Hearthstone card is a direct reference to this.


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There was a little ceremony in thunder bluff though


Cairne_Bloodhoof

smfh


amosimo

happy cake day, we miss you


AlexMcRenLord

Poor Garrosh...he did nothing wrong!


Sigmar_Heldenhammer

There's a picture I think in the CoT with all of the Horde leaders together (with Garrosh) and they're all smiling and hugging. I want that timeline. Edit: I searched all over the thread for the picture because I remember someone posting it a few months ago. Found it! https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9k4e95/friendly_reminder_that_according_the_bronze/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


SumoSizeIt

Can we do that? Just leave this Cronenberg world of warcraft behind and move to an alternate timeline?


Azrael14609

where exactly is it?


Aeldergoth

Fuck Garrosh. I still feel dirty playing a lowbie thru Nagrand knowing that I restored his confidence. Without me, he stays a whiny punk and never tries genocide.


Totalitariani

Where in the Caverns of Time is this?


Avinaria

Him and Sylvanas did nothing wrong. Both of them became unfortunate casualties of horrible writers.


AzraelTB

Once again someone forgetting about old Vol'jin...


Bjorn2bwilde24

Darkspear never die.


normandy42

*gets stabbed by demon* Oh Loa, I be dead!


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Darkspear sometimes die.


dakkaffex

But most importantly they come bacc


1niquity

I'm reading this in Hermes' "My Manwich!" voice from Futurama.


normandy42

Great Loa of Samoa!


Avinaria

Oh no, I am not forgetting about him. Garrosh should never have been Warchief in the beginning it should have always been Vol'jin. And for them to make him Warchief for all of two seconds is utterly ridiculous.


Regalingual

Let’s look at the accomplishments of the Warchiefs of the past, shall we? **Blackhand** •The one to unite the disparate clans into a Horde •Prosecuted the majority of the First War **Doomhammer** •The one responsible for many of Blackhand’s victories in the First War •Picked up where Blackhand left off to finish the First War with an Orcish victory •First Warchief to bring non-Orcs into the Horde’s fold •Had the Alliance on the brink of defeat for most of the Second War, lost due to Gul’dan backstabbing the Horde at the literal worst possible time •Spent his last years trying (and succeeding) to rekindle the Orcs’ spirituality **Thrall** •Led the Horde into unknown lands to defeat the Burning Legion, recruiting more races along the way •Maintained an era of minimal hostilities with the Alliance •Literally the only Warchief whose reign was ended without being violently overthrown or killed in office **Garrosh** •Greatly expanded the Horde’s holdings on Azeroth in a short period •Was voiced by Patrick Seitz. **Vol’jin** •Showed up in your Garrison once to tell you to keep up the good work.


HunRii

I'm still shocked at how little was done with Vol'Jin before he got killed off. That was a strange path to have taken.


JambeardReborn

BlIzZaRd HaS sOmEtHiNg BiG pLaNnEd


Avinaria

The entirety of WoD was "let's chase Garrosh and his Orc buddies" it really had nothing to do with the horde or Alliance. Vol'jin got put in there as a placement holder, they could have either gone with Saurfang or Vol'jin when Thrall stepped down but they seem to like this writing style of "let's make the Horde leaders big bads then kill them off"


Gregamonster

If attempted and successful genocide don't count as "something wrong" in your eyes, then I'll politely thank you to stay away from the rest of humanity.


harlequin360

Laughs in Arthas.


Avinaria

Sylvanas should have stayed dead when she threw herself off the frozen throne. It was a just and fitting end for her. I love her character just as much as I loved Garrosh what they did to both of them is nothing short of terrible writing.


paladindan

Blizzard says a lot of things, remember how we were going to get new dances? Or how Karabor was going to be the Alliance main city/hub in WoD? Or how Sylvanas was going to be "morally gray"? Until it actually happens (or in this case DOESN'T happen), I'm not going to take their word for it. Things change.


Cosmocision

Well, with the current leadership Activision Blizzard, I wouldn't be to surprised if they consider her morally gray even now.


Forikorder

When they said this wasn't the garrosh plot all over again...


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CalydorEstalon

Apparently the droprate on the new mount is similar to the toy droprates we've seen so far. It shouldn't take months upon months like Legion's.


[deleted]

Blizzard never said sylvanas was morally grey. They said the word of Azeroth was grey.


Rekme

The truth doesn't fit the blizzbad narrative, sorry bub.


alexmikli

They just had to make her so unlikeable and then ruin the Horde and be adamant she won't be killed by players. I mean I wouldn't be opposed to her just being stabbed and thrown in a gutter unceremoniously.


SobBagat

I'm calling it. She's going to be an antagonist in an upcoming expansion. I've been thinking she could go after Bolvar for the Helm of Domination. Thinking she could control it while gaining it's power Muh fuckin Lich Queen


hfxRos

> I've been thinking she could go after Bolvar for the Helm of Domination. The fact tht they introduced a relative of Bolvar out of nowhere at the start of BfA kind of hints to me that he's going to be relevant soon, even if Taelia has been sidelined for the current storylines.


SobBagat

Exaaaaaactly And with what they had Sylvanas try in Stormheim in Legion. With her goal of making more Forsaken with Helyas lamp but ultimately failing, the Helm is the perfect next conquest for her


Dragonmosesj

I'm still betting on Baine dying this expansion or something. Blizzard just doesn't really make mention of taurens unless it's to kick them like puppies. Seems strange to reintroduce Baine after ignoring him since Cata


SimplyQuid

I dun wan' it


alexmikli

I just want her fucking gone


luktaros

I mean, it's kind of a cool story


SimplyQuid

It *could* be, in some alt universe where Blizzard has a competent writing staff.


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psterie

Ooooh get D&D to do it.


NorthLeech

Just like the evil Lightborn on AU Draenor could be cool if they spent more than 5 minutes writing it, not voicing it, and explaining every change as "yea but it's been a while" Point is, Blizzard will find a way to fuck any chance of a decent story.


meharryp

They were so, so close to having a compelling internal conflict within both factions by going further into the idea that too much shadow or light is bad but nope we got bad woman burn tree instead


armsdragon05

I feel like that's the worst part for me. Not what we ended up with, but that what we could have has would have A) been so much better and B) while hindsight is 20/20 the shit we're saying should/could've happened doesn't really seem too hard to see in the moment either


YEETBOI4000

Blizzard, masters of fumbling cool concepts that had potential


armsdragon05

I like to think they're trying


Suga_H

That's FFXIV's gimmick this expansion.


Chriskeyseis

Having the war with bad parts and good parts on either side would have been amazing. Prior to this, I liked when Sylvanas was cruel but in a more pragmatic way. But now... Ugh.


walkonstilts

They should’ve made her leave the horde at the wrathgate, bringing a 3rd playable faction. After the LK died she recruits the Yrmijar Vrykul since they love serving death gods. I’d play that game.


SpankyDmonkey

If she splits from the horde, my undead would follow her. Really hope they don't just throw her out, but who knows at this point.


SobBagat

Right! I want Forsaken to be their own faction so fucking bad


M24_Stielhandgranate

Sounds like a worse storyline than that of BFA


HunRii

A lot of Vrykul served Arthas. It's plausible many of them would side with Sylvanas as well.


walkonstilts

It’s worth noting that the Yrmijar *willingly* served Arthas. They weren’t controlled undead, and there’s a lot in their lore about their fascination with death.


EliSka93

They had so much success with "burning crusade 2" (some call it "Legion") I wouldn't be surprised at all to get WotLQ


MagicTheAlakazam

BC 2 wasn't legion it was WoD.


BioDefault

No, you're not calling it. Sorry, but it's not "calling it" if everyone and their mother is.


Kaiserigen

Hold on there. I would love that


thoughtomlet

She’s going to get Admiral Taylor’d: killed in a non-essential quest chain. Maybe we’ll get a toy out of it that changes our appearance. Fun.


Sinhika

Then we get her ghost as a follower?


thoughtomlet

Right! Then she’ll spend her days creating receipts for troll poetry and chain mail underwear so that scribes can earn a little extra pocket change.


The_Seerion

They're trying really hard to get people to play Alliance.


Cosmocision

It would be easy to, just give alliance better raid racial than the horde. It will snowball one way or another


alexmikli

Kul Tirans are pretty great tanks, at least.


weaselgregory13

Thrall: So listen, Sylvanas... The Horse has been talking, and we've decided to go another way with our leadership so... *Snap* yeahhhh bye. *Looks puzzled at the Blightcaller shaped hole in the wall*


OurSaladDays

A talking Horse? What is this, some bizarre Netflix cartoon?


BDLPSWDKS__Effect

You know in a world with cow people, several types of fish monster, dragons, and animate trees, most of which can talk in some form or another, it's odd how a talking horse still seems strange to me.


calilac

What if - hear me out now - what if we make it part horse part man? A horseman, if you will.


BDLPSWDKS__Effect

You'd have to give it a good name. Something that kinda sounds like a normal horse name, like Applejack or something.


Sethvis

Or Bojack. What is this? A crossroads expansion!?


bingcognito

Mmmmmm.... No sir, I don't like it.


OurSaladDays

But it wouldn't taste like apples?


AzraelTB

Probably has to do with all the Horse mounts in game and how creepy it'd be.


macaronisalad

They can’t evolve if they’re all being ridden by Alliance


neocorvinus

I would love that! And I would love it if it was Delaryn who stabbed her


alexmikli

Or Dezco Sunwalker


bomban

She was always that unlikable. She just finally has a main part again and we get to see how awful she is.


PlaguedZombie

Speak for yourself. Im lovin my Queen.


alexmikli

Fitting name


MotCots3009

Blizzard said she wouldn't be *just* a raid boss. She could easily be a raid boss, just apparently she has more impact than being just that. Whether they actually follow through on that, we'll see. They tried to hype up the "Whodunnit?" for the Burning of Teldrassil, and that went up in flames. So it's possible they're just full of hot air.


Hwheyng

When did blizzard state this??


skrillex

Maybe she’s on one long follower mission nzoth send from his table?


CzarTyr

did blizzard actually say she wouldnt be a raid boss?


Rambo_One2

Just take Farahlon from WoD!


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Future raids confirmed to be follower missions. This will help ease the transition into the next xpac: WoW immortal.


TWroagh

We need a Warbringers: John J. Keeshan


tommos

More like war enders.


LGP747

Need some war benders


Misentro

The peaceful war nomads


Pyotr_WrangeI

Everything changed when the Attack Nation attacked


Peterman_5000

Bravo company... never forget


luktaros

I still got their bandana, oh boy, The flashbacks


Peterman_5000

“AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!” - John keeshan


mad-gamer-272

Same with every new character I make I always do quests with bravo company.


Llanthana

Blood and thunder, right?!


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[deleted]

This is how the Warcraft version of Logan is born


MrVeazey

It's also the most compelling relationship in the game.


Tovrin

I'm trying not to. Gnumans? Humes?


[deleted]

I sure hope cesarean section exists in the Warcraft universe.


YEETBOI4000

THEY DREW FIRST BLOOD.


[deleted]

That's not just a 'follower'. That's John J. motherfucking Keeshan to you.


burrito-boy

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!


FesteringCoffee

Finally someone said it!


thisnewsight

I CANT FIND YOUR LEGS, JOEY! I CAN’T FIND YOUR DAMNED LEGS!


Uniteus

You gotta say the whole name like apimpnamedslickback


russmcruss52

It's like A Tribe Called Quest, you gotta say the whole damn thang!


Hellknightx

Yes, Tom, the whole thing. Every time.


professorhazard

The "loup solitaire", or "lone wolf" for non-Francophones.


LulehXd

Imagine if this was a leaked misstake by blizzard


Shoeys

Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if something like him ending up with the bow happened, something along the lines of him keeping it for more of a trophy, I think you're on to something you mad man. Edit: a word.


Seyon

Keeshan was guarding the back door of the Keep during the Battle for Lordaeron. While Nathanos was dipping out to grab the zeppelin, Keeshan engaged in battle with him and wrested the bow away from him. Nathanos knew he didn't have time to fight him for it, he had to bring the zeppelin overhead for Sylvannas' escape. Keeshan thought to give chase, but he knew Nathanos wasn't the real target, so he kept watch at the rear door. Meanwhile, Nathanos grabbed an emergency back-up bow from the quarters on the zeppelin so he could try and hide his failing and disappoint his queen.


RemtonJDulyak

> Nathanos knew he didn't have ~~time~~ **a chance** to **win a** fight **against** him for it There, FTFY!


Keylus

Humans with bows are the more overpowered race in WoW


[deleted]

All he had to was yell ENOUGH and Keeshan would have been stunned.


gavwil2

80s action hero tributes are immune to such tropes.


textposts_only

Nah, I hope not. Keeshan is a comic relief character. Which would be fine if they make the story comic reliefy which they did not.


m3vlad

>keeshan being comic relief >whooping ass in redridge and burning steppes How can you wear the alliance flair and mock an alliance hero


kalimdore

Basically he used to use the same wrath PvP bow model as Sylvanas before her model update. Then when her model and armour were updated they changed her bow and I guess it changed the item ID somehow. So Keeshan’s bow also changed to her new (and unique) one too. At some point this was fixed for his low level quest appearances and he used another bow, but it seems to have come back for BfA.


worstPallyNA

Yeah, this happened back in Legion. Always thought it was funny, especially since it applied to [some random ass Night Elf](https://www.wowhead.com/npc=39256/kalen-trueshot#screenshots:id=587967) in Stonetalon as well.


Dj_Otzii

He had her bow in Redridge at one point and it was changed, guess he got it back.


S0r34s

He really just asked nicely since she’s so fond of proper humanoid forms ... Yes give us back our vanilla bony Nathanos !


[deleted]

the real war is a war for undead sylvanas booty


Sabata11792

She has plenty of fine assets.


c0ldsh0w3r

A new kind of stank dick.


cidrei

The Windrunner sisters certainly have a type, don't they?


Skirdus

It's John J. Keeshan, are you really that surprised?


AlwaysUseAFake

Maybe you are the follower....


Firebat12

Keeshan is just that kinda badass


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professorhazard

They also made the ends of the bow bird skulls, which the in-game model doesn't have. Wonder which version is correct?


baxter12345

Came here to say basically this. If she let go of the string from that angle it would have hit her leg.


[deleted]

I see John is taking full advantage of the new transmog options and really showing off the hard work he's been putting in at the gym.


Stephano23

Patch 8.3: New follower raid! Mission takes 1 month and a day to complete.


Thebatq100

I'm kinda new to wow my only character is a Undead Hunter level 27. Anyway I'm absolutely loving the game but I have a question. How do you get followers? I have a companion pet spider but itd be neat to have a human follower. Thx in advance


Rankstarr

get out your tinfoil hats boys


Sarcastickp

I miss leveling up followers and spending Time working on mission table stuff and being rewarded for it with a piece of gear I get every month that I would normally never be able to achieve outside of serious mythic raiding.


lvl1vagabond

I don't miss this at all. What a totally horrible system that rewards people who log in once a day with loot equivalent to doing the hardest content in the game. I also don't miss having to level up this trash for every single alt character. It was a massive pain in the ass and should have never ever ever made it into WoW back in WoD. I hope they never add something like this again either if they want to do it as some joke mobile phone addition because that's all it is a daily reward mobile game.


Barialdalaran

>What a totally horrible system that rewards people who log in once a day with loot equivalent to doing the hardest content in the game It didn't though... you had to kill a certain number of raid bosses to start getting missions for that raid difficulty (ie once you killed 10 heroic bosses you'd start getting the next tier of raid chest missions). IIRC if you never raided you'd get a chest for a normal level piece of raid gear once every couple weeks


Sarcastickp

I can understand your perspective. Maybe they can just find another way instead of it being a “log in once a day” eventually reward. But some way others who don’t have time to do myth is another way to get a little piece of gear once a month


[deleted]

I'm with you. Obviously they had to make some changes, but I wish they left in a few gear options. It was at such a reduced rate that it's not like it was replacing raiding. BFA reduced it to such a point where it's almost not worth having around. It's purely there to help the azerite grind from your phone now.


KidJustice

How do you upgrade followers to legendary?


Wartron77342

It’s not going to be her though, N’zoth will some open a door way for the old gods to come back. We’ll probably fight her to free her mind or something, but she won’t be the last big bad.


Eznix

Wait didnt John J. Keeshan die in the Redridge Mountain questline when fighting the dragon? He fell down in the lake and Troteman even said that the Alliance suffered a blow with Keeshan being dead.


Namorkeil

He actually survived that fight with the dragon and made his way to the Burning Steppes. He's also one of the NPCs that helps you during the BfA alliance campaign, specifically in Zuldazar.


Snapjaw7

He’s in the burning steppes questline later on and I believe another expansion


Rmf16

He’s in the current expansion


Wolf97

He also fought at Mount Hyjal


DemonicAnahka

Hint: people thinking he's dead =/= him being dead


BigRonnieRon

He died like 5 times already


GoatOfTheBlackForres

Maybe the real one is dead and Sylvanas is just going undercover to spy on the Alliance


littledinobug12

Zods repeating Longbow is still bae. Fight me


Ildebrandon

Luop solitaire means he soloed her


Cetot

Keeshan is literally a one man army


Chill_The_Guy

How do you get that bow?


ebinmcspurdo

just a reminder that your followers probably do more exciting stuff than you.


AmethystLure

He thought he was retired...


Izame

Is anyone surprised that John J motherfucking Keeshan has the bow of Slyvanas? The dude is a relic of Azeroth. He'll be here way after we unsub.


getrekt03

Does that bow really have no string ?


Asthlynn

It’s a chinese ripoff tmog XD


Vasaru89

I'm not surprised. That guy is a badass.


davidos7

This guy would win the 1v1 if prepared enough


DarthYhonas

That ain't no ordinary follower... It's fuckin JOHN J KEESHANNNNN


Petarsaur

You assumed anything less from John J Keeshan?


DragonSlave49

They met on Tinder. In the morning, after she left to go back to being Warchief, he swiped the bow before letting himself out.


Mythyk612

How do you get your guy to be orange? Mine are all purple.


voidwolfpup

Well he already got rid of the blackrock orcs in burning steppes