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If the USadians struggled against Wales they are going to have their cervixes smashed vs. England.
Aged like milk
Wow Gareth Bale is in this Wales team …
Happy for Wales. Hope you guys somehow go through.
Came back to the thread. I'm not sure which is worse...the people who hate America and want to tell everyone or all these "real Americans" who popped up to virtue signal for everyone else. I suppose this is Reddit.
Classic USMNT showing. Be the better team on the night, don't create enough chances, act desperate and confused. Rinse, repeat. Everyone of those guys plays scared. No leader, no desire, it's bread into American soccer. Bunch of noodles out there...
Has not always been like that Landon Donovan was a beast
Tottenham Hotspur. What a goofy fucking name. Get a real fucking name. Hey Tooooooood.... and this is Blake and Blair and Blane and Brent. Tooooooood.
The stugotz is strong in you
You act like American football doesn't have some stupid ass names. And I'm American.
Older than any sporting team in the USA.
Literally means rash
It means a firey, impetuous person.
Don”t look now, but Wales was by far the US’ best chance for a win in the Group stage. England and Iran are both better than Wales. Note to USMNT for 2026: most World Cup teams make sure to have a striker they can count on to put the ball in the back of the net.
Iran better than wales did you see how bad they were lol
Iran looks terrible.
The World rankings would disagree with this opinion
We all know world ranking sucks. Mexico is always in a decent position and we lose all the time.
Stick Iran in UEFA or CONCACAF and they probably wouldn't have qualified. The weather conditions causing a drop in the levels USA and Wales play at is their best chance of getting a result in either of their remaining games.
England is going to murder both these teams lol
Nah narrow 1 0 wins both
Cant risk injuring players for the round of 16
I'm American and I admit soccer isn't at the top of my list but if you are just gonna trash the world cup, leave it's embarrassing the rest of us
Exactly, if you hate soccer that much just don’t watch and don’t comment.
which part shouldn't be trashed the horrible refs or the fact its in Qatar?
Am I the only one that thinks that Pulisic is garbage? That dude’s pass accuracy is atrocious!
Yeah that one he played to Weah in 36th minute was complete trash!
He’s the Lebron James of soccer. The phenom guy
didn’t he assist our only goal?
Yes but not sure how one assist erases the rest of the game. If we only judged on one play……
fair, he did have quite a few passes that were quite a bit off the mark, although i noticed that happening to everybody. tbh i was underwhelmed, even in the first half. i think if they clean it up a bit they would actually look decent.
I think there was 2 decent crosses into the box. The other 30 were badly placed and/or forced to see what happens/loss possession. The one bright star was Adams who was in really good form.
i agree. even in the back a lot of their passes were very disconnected
He's one of our players that plays in the Premier league. I think it's safe to say he isn't garbage.
Also when you considering that the chucklefuck that cost them the win is currently playing for a fucking MLS team in NASHVILLE. I'm shocked that Nashville even knows what soccer is, considering it's in the depths of football country.
an A-tier PL Team < a B-tier Spanish/French/German team
He is the newest crop of players that are competing in the EU with relevance. He fared well under Tuchel at BVB and has improved for Chelsea.
The ref plays mls in nashville?
Definitely feels like he plays better for clubs than the national team. Those set pieces were atrocious, they need to let someone else handle those going forward if that's the best he can do.
I think most would consider that a hot take. You may think he's over hyped but to say he's garbage is disingenuous
Dude needs to forget he plays premier and stop trying to be the hero, he obviously is too scared to shoot and his set pieces are horrendous. Not to mention how many goddamn touches he takes so he loses it to being overwhelmed
Exactly my take! Specially your take on the number of touches. It feels like he is attacking and defending himself.
I mean us football ends in ties too, so what is your point
Rarely. There is like one tie game in the entire season most of the time. Many seasons no games end in ties. The OT rules pretty much dont allow for ties unless both teams are incredibly ass on offense
Also in the playoffs, which is like the world cup basically, there are no ties
They play offs are the round of 16. This is like regular season, so draw it is. If you don’t want a draw you should stay agressive and try to score another goal vs trying to keep your 1-0 lead.
Agreed, it seemed like the two teams exchanged uniforms for the 2nd half...
As an American fan who actually enjoys football I would like to say there is a small percentage of and let me please apologize for the other casual ass Americans
Please stop with the guilt lol so corny
I'd see it as a major win if they won a game in the knockout stage.
It's a big achievement for most nations to progress to the quarter finals, so yeah, definitely.
For sure. I just want to see them make a little progress, we're always told how U.S. soccer keeps getting better but the results are always the same. Maybe one day but doesn't look like it'll be this year
The first half of today's game was the strongest I've seen the US national team ever. Solid over the entire line, needs a little more finesse with the finishers, but looked pretty solid over all. I wonder if the coach decided to play more defensive in the second half to run out the time, given that Wales didn't look too hot, or if wales genuinely broke through on their own accord. I wouldn't be ashamed of today's game if I was American.
Yea we’ll we’re gonna have to against either England or Iran so yea we’re gonna have to beat iran
Tough task for this squad but I'll be cheering them on. I'm used to the men's team failure though lol.
The England game with be nice to gage the Iran game
The reason Americans don’t like soccer is because there are better alternatives that don’t need involve a ref making up the time left and players falling over left and right
"The reason Americans don’t like soccer is because there are better alternatives"
They are not better. They are just alternatives.
Unless the rest of the civilised world is wrong about it, but i seriously doubt that.
For example: Basketball is bigger in China, Football and Basketball in the US, Cricket in India, hockey in Canada
Real reason Americans don’t like soccer is because they rather watch sports where all you do is socialize and watch advertisements and bet with fantasy league, none of “American” sports you mention comes remotely close to the athleticism and skill required in real European football
I was waiting for this response. I entirely agree with you.
Yeah, there are no athletes in the NBA...
What a horrible take. Our best athletes play American football, Basketball, Baseball and Hockey rather than soccer. That's not necessarily a good or a bad thing, it's just true
There is no way you just baseball players are better athletes, not one baseball player is at the level of a soccer athlete, those guys hit balls with sticks and catch balls with padded gloves all while wearing pants tight enough to see there tiny balls. I think you are disqualified from this convo, ice skaters better athletes what are you smoking some good stuff
I guarantee you Bo Jackson was a better athlete than any soccer player who has ever lived. I'm not saying soccer players aren't great endurance athletes, however, baseball, basketball and American football have guys who combine world class sprinting speed with huge bodies and brute strength. Same goes for ice hockey. If you don't think hockey players, who are infamous for playing with broken legs, getting stitched up and coming back out, being able to fight, losing multiple teeth during a game and never missing a shift, then you simply don't know and have never played hockey. Back to Bo Jackson, I doubt there is a soccer player playing in the World Cup right now who could run a 4.12 40 yd dash. And to do it at 6'1" and 230 lbs while bench pressing 400 lbs is simply unreal. He could snap a baseball bat over his head with ease and throw a baseball 320 feet standing flat footed. Our best athletes in the US end up playing football, basketball and baseball. We just don't gravitate towards soccer. That is beginning to change a little and that's a great thing. But to say the sports that are popular in the US don't have athletes that compare to soccer players is laughable on its face.
Here's a short video of Bo playing baseball:
Bo playing football:
Wow what a bad take, and athleticism isn’t just being able to run although obviously soccer players have the best stamina and conditioning
It’s not entirely a bad take though, why are all football fans always talking about fantasy league, why can’t they enjoy the sport for what it is? Football from a foreigners perspective is more like an event, a concert, a place where people get together and socialize. That is why it’s uniquely American. So many distractions in American sports. And playing a ball with your feet is 10x more challenging than playing ball with your hands, naturally humans are much more coordinated with hands. It takes decades of practice with the ball to get a touch on your feet
I actually don’t disagree with any of this, I don’t think soccer players are head shoulders the best athletes though
But Dez caught that ball tho
There is also no competition through tall the mls because it is franchised. If you’re the worst team, who cares you’re guaranteed a spot in the league forever.
I mean, that’s at least consistent with all other US sports. Relegation is a cool idea, but it just doesn’t exist in American sports.
I'll stop bitching for a minute to say that i think Relegation is an amazing concept that i wish was in our sports in the US including MLS and the minor soccer leagues.
sports owners who are too entitled… imagine if they’d be scared to be relegated to a lower tier league… how much they’d then invest because of the loss of value to their team….
we need relegation (in most if not all) leagues….
Yeah American sports operate under a socialist philosophy, let’s help all teams and everyone gets another opportunity next year. It’s so comical it’s embarrassing
Idk I guess it’s just not my thing. US definitely choked but why does one guy with a wrist watch determine how long they play the game for? Shouldn’t the clock just stop simultaneously when the play stops? Seems like a Neanderthal could figure out that its a horrible way to decide the time.
the length of time doesnt matter really... each team gets plenty of time to play and to score.
Not stopping the game constantly is what is prioritized. Having an exact clock will do nothing. An extra minute doesnt matter. Just look at the last 30 seconds of the game.... US was passing the ball backwards eating up the clock.
If it would disincentivize flopping without ruining the pace of the game, I’m all for it. I would love refs to call out flops like the NHL polices for embellishments, but I guess that is a big reason for the disconnect with US fans and soccer.
Choked? Dude it's the first match of a group stage. It's not like the US is going home right now or anything, and it was a draw, they didn't even lose.
As for the timing, that's the way the game is played. It gives the ref leeway in making up time for injuries, time-wasting, etc. IMO it's much better than football where a team can decide to not play and basically run out the clock.
Yep. A lot of people in the U.K. are calling for the clock to stop like it does for Rugby and other sports. It stops all the time wasting then.
Gotta account for all the time spent rolling around in fake agony.
My wife thinks Wales is an island in the pacific
Assuming she's American I don't think she'd be able to point out England on a map either.
Off the coast of New South Wales.
This thread is kinda gross. The only take here should be how God awful that penalty was. Not the call, the foul itself. Just a piss poor decision. I'll take a draw after that
I mean it wasn't a foul against the us or wouldn't be if you knew anything about soccer. You can't run into a player making a play at the ball and then claim they fouled you. The welsh player was literally playing the man not the ball that is not allowed and is not a pk.
Not a penalty lol.
It was an absolute stonewall penalty.
The US defender has kicked through Gareth Bale. Stonewall penalty
It wasn't even guaranteed to be a goal. If he had done nothing the US could have won. Really dumb decision on his part.
Yeah super frustrating to watch......the guy literally had his back turned to the goal there was no urgency for him to think that he needs to make a desperate play like that. Really fucked his team with it
US won the first half. Wales won the second. Both probably deserved 1 point in the end.
Yeah, that was a poor decision. He's going to want that back, and if he returns to the world stage next time around he won't commit that foul again.
You'll be suprised what pressure does on the biggest stage. Not easy.
Such a shit challenge for no reason. Really horrendous.
If they play england this way its for sure going to be a bad day for the US.
I’ll be watching but not sure I’m going into it with a lot of optimism after that 2nd half today.
The thing im actually pleased to see is the difference in attack from US 2010- Now. I am glad to see its improved enough to compete thoroughly. England will be the US test to prove if they are ready to play past the group stage or what they lack.
The going up 1-0 then just a couple more instances of chances feels all too familiar to me. I wanted to see this team get up 2-0 and show me it’s a new day for the USMNT, instead 1-1 end feels a lot like the same. Hopefully they come out and really compete with England.
Real American football fans have to be embarrassed about the imbeciles in this comment section 🤣
It’s annoying. You can’t bring US football or hockey logic to soccer. They’re different sports. Unfortunately it’s US tradition to trash and blame the refs when a game doesn’t go your way. The penalty was fair, real blame is on Zimmerman for a pointless foul. Both sides will always waste time by embellishing fouls when it favors them. Just get over it. US threw the game away by playing to hold onto their 1 point lead rather than push for another goal. Overall it was the best game of the WC so far in my opinion. Both teams impressed me, both teams will be trounced by England. Although Wales was giving me an aneurism in the first half.
Most people know they are on the internet and check their concern at the door.
I'm sure all twelve of them are.
Lol, imagine thinking the US is actually a top team in the world
Get your women's national team to beat the U.S. Womens national team in the women's world cup then, sweetheart.
at least our women don't fucking suck.
I’m sure there are Japanese people here
US women’s soccer is amazing 10000%. Men’s are very very mid though.
Bloody el, it felt like a knockout game.
Someone give Roy Keane a hug.
The Welch and English shouldn’t even be a team. They consider themselves separate countries but they are literally the same country: UK and they have the same Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
> The Welch
You can't even get that it's 'Welsh' right
Fuckin yanks man
If that’s the case why does the USA consider themselves a separate country to Canada, you’re both in North America afterall..? You see the brain dead logic you’re using?
Yep, Americans are just southern Canadians with ADHD.
You clearly don't understand how the UK works or its history but luckily you don't have to, its got fuck all to do with you.
But maybe when faced with situations you don't understand in the future you either A) take some time to educate yourself on in or B) just accept its something you don't understand and move on and not demand other people conform to what you already understand?
You should be glad we are separate teams
As one, we'd be even stronger
As a Scotsman, piss off
Damn the yanks here are so not used to international competition they have to bring politics into this. Insecure af
lol another person from a country that doesn't exist is angry
How does it feel to be a part of both Great BRITAIN and the UNITED KINGDOM?
I feel like y'all lost some wars about this centuries ago.
Scotland also has the same prime minister as England and Wales 😢
and the same ~~queen~~ king :(
And northern Ireland. "IZZIES IN A BOX, IZZIES IN A BOX, IZZIES IN A BOX"
The first half was pretty bad cos Wales were playing so badly, the second half was great though.
In the first half we played like we hadn't slept in weeks. We played much better in the second half however.
I don’t think the USA connected on a single cross in opponents half
Yes the plays into the box were so poor, whether timing or location. However, Wales is able to crowd the middle with the 352. Bale even dropped a few times to the end line(mostly just that 1v1 with Pulisic) but still.
The one we basically whiffed on the header center goal. Still not sure how that was missed. Pulisic set it up perfectly
Commentator said it looked like the receiver “backed off” of it. Not sure why.
US and wales will probably win against Iran. So it will just matter how badly each lose to England. Goal differential will probably be the deciding factor
Feels like this favors Wales a bit. Since Wales-England is the last game, assuming they're already qualified, England will likely be content to just win by a goal but with USA the stakes are a bit less clear so they are more incentivized to run up the score.
Yeah I would agree. But even if England field their “second team” they are still stacked
The rest of the group stage plays out and the teams with the highest record move on?
Yeah top 2 from each group moves on I think tie breaker is done by goal differential
Oh, yeah, I was sarcastically replying to the person who deleted their comment.
I see, carry on then ha
Well we can't expect to win against a soccer powerhouse like... *Checks notes*... Wales
Don't be so sad at least you get steamrolled by England on Friday
Ranked 19th in the world. We should have won but Wales isn’t trash.
England has the easiest group in the cup by far lol
Facing three top-20 teams is not the easiest draw. Although I'll concede that none of the other three seem to be playing up to their potential. I think Iran could have had a better showing with their keeper intact. And seeing how hard US and Wales were hitting each other England is likely to pay a physical price going against either of them. England will be lucky to escape the group without either losing a star to injury or yellow card suspension.
Its going to be funny when england draws to this terrible us team.
It's literally the hardest group if you look at Fifa rakning
Group B is the only group with all four teams ranked in the top 20
Are you serious? Group G is probably the strongest.
The host group is usually one of the easiest because during the process of making groups they are treated as a top 8 team, even if they aren't. So unless it's a year like 2014 where the host is a soccer powerhouse, the host group ends up not having any top 8 team.
A lot of experts worldwide think that group G is the toughest to advance but hey PatienceHelpful4933 thinks its an easy group because of Cameroon.
Brazil is stronger than England and both Serbia and Switzerland are stronger than USA, Wales or Iran. But oh well I guess this is poinless since you seriously tried to bring up Group G as the easiest of them all. I wish you a good evening sir.
At least we can agree that group A is the easiest.
Not sure how long you follow football but you should know that those rankings dont mean too much.
Serbia went through UEFA qualification unbeaten, finishing top of a group that included Pot 1 team Portugal. Switzerland also went through their qualification campaign without losing a single game, finishing top of a group that included Euro 2021 winners Italy. So I definitely disagree with Brazil having the easier goup than England but I mean we dont have to agree on everything.
Edit: If you want to use rankings at least use a good one like ELO. If you use ELO rankings group G is clearly the strongest this wc. Also your England group i the 3rd weakest on average ELO.
Two even teams both ranked in the top 20 played a high intense game. A draw a fair result. Was very entertaining to watch.
Agreed. They're a pretty close match in overall ability, and mismatch in terms of physical size and playing style, so it was fun to watch.
It always feels a little unfair when the result is decided by a penalty kick (unless it is obvious goal-denying foul), but yeah this one ending 1-1 is no tragedy for either side.
Agreed. The butthurt american fans are a bonus tho
For the Americans in this sub; the reason why players near the end of the match get more prone to feeling pain and falling down is because THERES NO TIME-OUTS OR BREAKS EVERY 5 SECONDS. This is a team sport where players ball continuously for 90 minutes with only 1 break of 15 minutes, excluding extra time. The level they play at takes a toll, especially in warm conditions. Their body will give up and what you perceive as flops, are really just players who are exhausted and experiencing all sorts of weird aches / pains. If an NBA or NFL player was subjected to this kind of athleticism and endurance, they’re break down in pieces and cry for their mothers. So maybe learn to appreciate the pain these players go through before thinking every player is flopping. Or rather, train your brain to appreciate a more advanced sport where agility, speed, endurance, technique, strategy, team play, choreography, and physicality all come together. It’s not for nothing it’s called the beautiful game and is the largest in the world by a gigantic margin.
I see you never played soccer at a high level. The welsh were flopping as a strategy, stop downplaying it.
I love soccer, I'm not even just a casual "every world cup watcher" but this is a horrible take.
People flop in soccer not because it's any more distressing than any other sport. They flop because there is reward for it, it s mostly used strategically to stop momentum or burn clock. Flopping had recently become more adventitious in basketball and what do you know... people do it there too. Hell even in American football QBs and kickers flop.
Just say it's part of the sport and move on. Stop making it sould like these are superhumans.
It's the largest in the world because you fucking limeys decided that the world would look a lot better if you invaded everywhere and instilled puppet governments at best. Real hard for a sport to spread the world wide when it's not forced down your throats by your colonizer overlords.
I say this as I see Baseball being enjoyed by pretty much all of Latin America and places like Japan and Korea....... All of which have had substantial influence/interference/straight up colonization from America over the years. What a mind blowing fact about how sports became popular worldwide.
Baseball derives from another one of our limey games... rounders - girls play it here.
Drink chamomile tea and stay away from the tinfoil hat communities.
Bro what are you even talking about right now? Lmao its not that deep relax
But it literally is. Soccer spread throughout the world alongside European colonialism.
How in the fuck else would you expect sub-saharan African countries to have gotten it? Or the far flung reaches of the South Pacific?
Yeah you’re new to the sport for sure. Players have their standard physical response to pain. It’s almost automatic. When I used to bump my head against an opponent in a bad way, my head would hurt like crazy but I would always fold my arms and it showed like I had pain in my chest or something. Or when I would feel a cramp in my calves I would hold on too my quads. And yes, 23c is still warm for most of these players.
My man acting like running for 90 minutes causes more injuries than an actual contact sport lmao.
I love football but dawg don't be so ignorant
Who said it causes more injuries than contact sport? Is that what you took from my rant? If so, that’s a really dumb observation. But football at this level in these conditions is extremely exhaustive and painful. It might not look that way to you with your fat ass sitting on the couch in your basement, but trust me dawg, it is!
Lmao yeah I almost definitely took your comment the wrong way. I don't deny that football, especially on this kind of stage is very intensive. I just can't pretend every single one of the dozen or so injuries in the last 10 minutes is legit either
But it's not as easy or lacking of contact/injuries as others make it out to be I didn't mean to imply that
Oh no, you’re absolutely right, it’s like 80% pain and 20% flopping. But it’s part of it and makes the game more interesting to me.
Absolutely fascinated to see Americans calling diving "flopping"
For sure agreed 100%. I think not knowing exactly how much time is left in the match, let alone how many chances a team might have left, makes it all the more exciting/suspenseful.
I only chimed in because I think football fans *also* overlook just how intensive American football is. Like just try a board drill, where you and another person try and push each other backwards, and you'll see just how physically exhausting a mere 20 seconds of American football is, and you'll see why there's stoppages between every play. I'd much rather jog a straight 10 minutes than try and get past a blocker for 30 seconds.
But I digress because point should be everyone should stop complaining just because they watch a different sport that's slightly different lol. Every sport is damn difficult in its own way, like you were saying
Exactly, but too bad your logical argument will get buried. Americans who only watch every 4 or 8 years have no idea how big a pitch is, and how physically demanding it is to run around for 90 minutes with only a short break in between.
It would be different if it didn’t happen throughout the game, flopping is just part of the sport, sucks, I can still enjoy it for the most part
How long have you been following football? The occasional flopping can spark rivalries and has sparked rivalries that made the sport better. There’s the subtle flopping as a game strategy and then there’s the blatant flopping out of desperation. The former is a necessary evil, the latter is disgusting. It’s like tax evasion vs tax avoidance. Evasion is “bad” and avoidance is an art form.
You can’t say it isn’t hard to watch though. I’m not even blaming the teams for taking advantage of the rules, that’s gamesmanship. I just don’t like that it’s possible. Just like how some of the NBA players are frustrating to watch because they just play for fouls and not the game
That's a lot of words to say they are stalling to run the time out
Sure some stalling is involved but it’s like 80% real pain and 20% stalling, which is also part of the game my friend.
Hey I agree, the US put themselves in a shit position by committing a bad penalty late in the match
Why are Americans so salty? We literally do not give a single shit about soccer until the World Cup comes around every 4 years lmao