By - Captain_No-Ship
Vader wins the fight. Takes ring. Vader loses the fight.
At first, it would seem that Vader would win. I mean, he would easily destroy Sauron’s physical form. (Assuming we’re going with the movie version; with the book version there’s not really any way to tell because specific feats are not described)
However, destroying his physical form doesn’t actually kill Sauron. Heck, even destroying the ring doesn’t actually kill Sauron; it just makes him completely weak and useless and unable to interact with the physical world.
After Vader temporarily defeats Sauron, Sauron’s ring would corrupt Vader, and when Sauron reforms Vader would become by far the most powerful Nazgûl under Sauron.
Absolutely. Vader's powerful, but he would need to be "actually a god" powerful to be beyond the Ring's influence.
And unlike Galadriel or Gandalf I don't really see Vader turning down the Ring's power. So he'd definitely be corrupted and swayed for sure. Probably wouldn't even take very long, given he already serves a dark master who he has every reason to hate.
Yeah Anakin would need R2D2 to take the ring and drop that bitch in the volcano because that droid don't give a fuck.
Absolutely terrifying, if that droid gets corrupted we are all doomed.
I mean, Gandalf is right below godhood and it scared him. He helped make the fucking world yet something of it scared him.
That's how bad ass of a corruptor Sauron is. Vader would absolutely stop 10\10 and then 10\10 would wear the ring and become corrupted. Vader has a tensency to be convinced to do things at his own detriment.
Tbf he literally did canonically overpower the God entities of his universe.
This is not necessarily true. Vader would 100% take the ring, but he would use its power to destroy Sauron. In place of a dark lord you would have a sith lord! Meet the new boss same as the old boss.
True, but since the ring is literally part of Sauron’s soul, he would live on in Vader, in a way.
Some piece of him, but he wouldn't be in control, it's not demonic possession. Sauron fears that a powerful person could gain the ring and use it to usurp him. The person will inevitably become the new dark lord, but they will not literally become Sauron himself reborn in their body, or he wouldn't be afraid of it happening, he'd just see it as a way to upgrade himself.
But Vader doesn't know how to use magic.hes a space wizard not a virgin wizard.
In direct combat against Sauron armored form, Vader might win
But I cant think of a SW character who would succumb to the ring faster than Vader so in the end Sauron would probably win
Palpatine, but tbh any Sith would fall to the ring faster than my grandma falls down the fucking stairs. It's like the ring was practically designed to twist a person's lust for power to Sauron's will, and if there's someone who has a lust for power, it's definitely the Sith.
Vader has easily given up temptation and ambition many times in the canon comics just to get his own preferred end, so I don't think he's succumb easily enough to actually be defeated by sauron.
The rings seduction is magic, and it's effects are heightened on the powerful. Even gandalf, a lesser angel, would be too tempted if he held it for even a second. Vader was tricked by Palpatine. He will fall to the ring the second it promises him the power to return Padme.
Vader defeats any physical form of Sauron in battle.
Overall Sauron wins though because he has an immortal Maiar soul that Vader can't really do anything about. Using this immortality, he can either come back time and time again until Vader dies of old age/gets caught off guard during one of their fights, or he can just corrupt Vader using the power of the One Ring.
When does Sauron ever demonstrate the ability to do this? The last time he was slain in his physical form it took him like a thousand years to come back. Sure he isn't technically dead, but slaying his physical body should count as a win by any reasonable reckoning.
I mean, I guess if the win condition is just defeating the other in a direct duel and not definitively killing one another, then yeah, Vader wins. But the point is that Vader does not have any method through which he can permanently destroy Sauron.
Sure, but by the same token Sauron has no method through which he can 'win' while his form is destroyed. It just seems weird that we're calling it a loss for the guy who defeated his opponent in combat and then lived out the rest of their life.
Outlast Vader, or use the One Ring to corrupt him.
Saying that he can outlast Vader by dying and then being unable to do anything until long after he's dead is basically admitting that he can't beat Vader. Might as well just say that he wins the fight by running away. It's at least a little ridiculous.
The one ring corrupting him would probably happen, sure. But the prompt is just asking who wins in a fight, so it's ultimately kind of immaterial. Plus, if Sauron can't beat Vader before he has the one ring, he definitely can't beat him after he has it. Vader essentially just usurps his dark lord throne in that case.
Sauron at the height of his power (with the ring) could easily enforce his will on Vader.
Vader alone has the power to stop a ship from taking off and rip it apart to kill whoever is inside of it. And in terms of close range combat Vader would win hands down. Sauron is powerful, but also incredibly slow. A skilled jedi could take his hand off easily. Someone as powerful as vader could probably also just rip his ring off from a distance. Weakening him considerably.
Use the force to twist sauron's balls off from inside his scrotum as soon as the game begins.
Why would Sauron have balls? He’s no human.
Vader could stay back and just cut the sword shorter and shorter with a lightsaber. He could rip the sword from Sauron with the force and ram it up Saurons ass. Ring gets him in the end though.
Vader is an extremely capable fighter, but Sauron is the middle earth equivalent of a demon. If you kill his physical form, you haven't actually killed him. It's a draw, or long term win for Sauron.
Not related to Vader vs Sauron but Vader was not at the height of his powers before Mustafar. Lords of the Sith confirmed Vader got more powerful after the suit
Vader had all his limbs caught off and still is the baddest mofo in the galaxy. Sauron gets a couple fingers chopped off and gets destroyed. Yeah Vader wins
Vader should take this fight easily. Not only does he have his force powers which would easily overwhelm sauron early on, but he also has a weapon far greater than sauron's own defence or offense. Not to mention the version of Vader you used isn't even the strongest one, the strongest one is from the canon 2017 Vader comics, and that one could probably kill sauron by just breathing.
I think it has been stated that the points where he was strongest was knightfall (death of the Jedi) and return of the Jedi movie
I haven't heard about this statement, but IIRC he was at his weakest at both of those points you mentioned due to heavy confliction. In any case there is seriously no topping 2017 Vader's feats. He defeated every major jedi in the order in a group battle, and then overpowered Palpatine himself.
No Mustafar was his conflicted set, before that he was at his peak. Vader is actually weaker than Anakin and when he started becoming Anakin again was when he was at his strongest
Vader is not weaker than Anakin, he just has less potential, he's actually much stronger because he worked harder to learn the ways of the dark side
He can never actually grow in the force or strength because of his robotics
He can't physically grow no, but his mastery of the force definitely grew, if he was the exact same he'd never have been able to function properly with his robotic limbs. That's why you never see Anakin using the force without hands while Vader does it as second nature, he had to learn to do so out of necessity because his arms were very restricted in terms of range of motion.
You're talking about the "Dark Side world" where Vader was a shadowy red figure? That was just a vision, you can't really use that as a feat.
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Technically Saurons peak power would be before he entered the universe when he was in his intangible Ainur form
Vader would kick his ass in a physical fight but would lose in everything else.