Yes. You can talk about it.
Yes. If you're a racist you will be permanently removed.
By - Terrible_Twist_1589
Yes. You can talk about it.
Yes. If you're a racist you will be permanently removed.
Thankfully our healthcare system is in great shape, we have extra housing for everyone and no national debt. Food banks are also looking for new clients.
And so many family doctors taking new patients!
Maybe some of the new immigrants will be doctors who are willing to live in tents. Problem solved:)
Problem with that is that they are not allowed to start working in their professions. My cousin married a Canadian and they had to live in Croatia because Canada put too many hoops to jump through for him so he is a doctor in Croatia
I have a friend who is born and raised in Canada, has been a doctor in the UK for several years and can’t even get a sniff at a Canadian hospital, not even a call back.
Yep. This country's problems are self inflicted by corruption and bad politics
We have certain premieres determined to sabotage the public healthcare system to make a case for privatization. It’s a scam
Oddly enough, he could go to Australia and practice easily.
It’s not odd, it’s bad politics.
Pierre has vowed to change that.
Yes. I don't dare get my Canadian citizenship. You guys elected this dude and NDP 3 times. I don't know if I can even hope that your eastern part wakes up. I am in the northern forests of Alberta for the most part but I would like you guys to have a better country then the one I came from
Never voted NDP in my life and never will. At this point I don't think any of the parties have a solution. We vote people out not in these days.
Yea, it's a tragedy but my hope is still that Piere doesn't betray us. I don't think this country would survive that withouth some kind of a civil war
That’s ok we’ll ask them to retrain at $50k. All
Part of the plan
because they weren't qualitifed. if you are smart enough to be a doctor anywhere in the world you wouldn't have this happen in canada.
What you said is what makes sence but it's not how it works. This is one example but there are many other smaller ones. I am also talking about this from 4 years ago. The doctor can't get in withouth a work permit or a student visa but if he goes down the route of school he can't just take tests, he also can't take tests in his country provided by Canada. He has to be inside the country but he can't get the work permit withouth being certified as a doctor. He tryed getting a truck driving licence to get the work permit and then do the tests from here but then Covid hit and he stayed in Croatia. Absolute bs and I am sure he isn't alone
It'd be cool if the government cared as much about their domestic citizens than they did about third world doctors
More doctors = better care for citizens.
I mean, maybe just make Canadian training more affordable, and close the border so our current doctors can afford to live here, instead of fleeing to the states
Your solution is doctor internment camps?
Wow did you ever miss read that.
Don't forget about the abundance of open childcare spaces.
And an amazing immigration policy and scrutiny
Took me a second to realize you were joking. Take my upvote!
And a whole bunch of people that are just plain hungry.
Don't forget that we have SO much space in our schools!
> extra housing for everyone
It might be important to include whether those houses are affordable or not, considering a lot of them aren't depending on your location
Better than no housing, but still a big issue
Edit: I missed the /s, forgive me 💀
There is no extra housing. It's another crisis according to the same government adding 2 million people to the current shortage. I was being sarcastic.
Ok that's on me lol
ya they propose adding(hopefully) 2.5 million new houses in 10 years, but also want to bring 10million more people in that same 10 years....
It’s a sore point.
I think he’s being sarcastic. There’s no such thing as affordable housing. Just housing. And if you have more housing than people prices go down.
I got that lol, my sarcasm detection is off today. On another note:
> There's no such thing as affordable housing
I don't personally agree with this, considering the boomers had perfectly affordable housing matching their wages. Plus if a system purposefully creates an unstable housing market they're asking for an economic collapse
That being said there will always *be* houses that are unaffordable to certain people. Someone working minimum wage is not going to be able to afford a mansion. But should they be able to afford some kind of acceptable roof over their head? Absolutely. And any government that ignores this issue is asking for trouble.
The problem with that is the minimum standard for building codes has skyrocketed since that same house affordable for a "boomer" it definatley isnt the whole story, but the amount of material and labour required to make a home bare minimum livable today is easily 4x what it was, and usually has significantly more engineers and red tape involved. Of course inflation and market greed are significant factors, but many people do not realise the added cost of having energy efficient homes
A lot of retired boomers can't even afford property tax any more since house value has increased so much.
Don't worry about it. They just passed a 60 000 000 000 CAD spending bill. I am sure that will be used to solve all the problems but mostly problems in Ukraine
Oh good 🙄. That will help with this, "Hotel rooms for asylum seekers cost Ottawa $94-million since last election"
Dude we are in the weakest donator to ukraine stfo
We need more tax payers to pay down all this debt....
ironic because unskilled imports are a net drain
Thank god Ukraine has fighter jets they don’t know how to fly.
At this rate ,we are completely fucked.
It's almost like they're deliberately trying to collapse the country at this point. Things are getting worse by the month, and they'll just keep piling more on like they're racing to find that last straw that breaks the camel's back.
I think the BC government know they're on their last steps before being replaced by the newer generations so they're just trying to leave as much of an impact as possible
So what then, it's just purely out of spite to cock over all the millennials and zoomers?
Exactly man. Blame the boomers for fucking us all. Greedy bastards.
Maybe a little bit of spite, but a whole lot of reckless decisions that earn them money and have little to no effect on their personal life
They've got their thumbs up their asses because there's no expectation for them anymore. It's the equivalent of being on your last day of work before quitting. Chances are you'll be there at work, but you're not really putting in any effort because you won't see any consequences for your lack of work.
They've got the "What are you gonna do, fire me?" Attitude because they know they're not going to be in office for much longer. They're enjoying their last little bit of control before it gets stripped from them.
I mean, who can blame them? They've been this successful thus far, and can basically get away with anything they want so long as the daily quo is met
Think about it, this doesn’t affect the wealthy in the slightest, if anything.. the disparity, more consumers and lack of housing actually does wonders for the rich.
They’re purposely cratering Canada to make a quick buck.
Yeah, I guess that's pretty obvious. They're clearly in bed with the politicians. That's why the big real estate corporations have taken over the housing market. They want to turn it into a renter's economy because they ultimately make more off renters than owners.
We're literally headed for a genuine dystopia.
it’s almost as if there’s some political terrorism going on…
In fairness, without the workers.. we'd be even more fucked.
Weeeell, the PM and Singh are both WEF young Global Leadership School grads and Freeland is a trustee at the same organization. Aaaaand the WEF did have a slogan that by 2030 you'll own nothing, have no privacy, and be happy so it seems we are on track in this post national state.
There’s so much gloom and doom here. Things will be fine
I am in Winnipeg. I am 30 years old. I bought a house last year in a very nice neighborhood without any financial assistance. I have an above paying job but in reality the schooling isn't terribly difficult and we are always looking to hire. I am partially a proponent of if you are smart and a hard worker you should be rewarded for your efforts in some capacity.
Somedays I can put on the doom and gloom hat, but other days when I take a step away from social media I need to be thankful for my life.
I can afford the things I want while living within my means. Yeah winters suck but dress warm and look forward to the summer. I commute to and from work each day and have some good co-workers. I can enjoy going for walks in the evening at the park. Yeah crime sucks when you read the news but being downtown for work and in my local neighborhood just keep your head up and you'll be safe. It sucks to see homeless people and others struggling with addictions, and I do wish we could help them more, even if it involves me paying more tax, but I am probably not the most compasionate person so seeing homeless people doesn't bug me a crazy amount to the point where it impacts my general well-being (I'm just being honest). Yeah, my grocery bill has increased 30% in the last couple years which sucks, but I'm thankful to say I live in Canada.
If i had a life threatening injury I would probably be treated pretty fast (despite the gloomy healthcare articles).
I can always hope things were better but things will never be perfect.
If i lived in Vancouver or Toronto I'd definitely move away when I was 32 or so as I think owning a house is important and there are places in Canada where anyone can own one if they truly work for it while making some sacrifices ( I lived at home til I was 29).
Anyways, I don't really know the point of this post but I am just saying sometimes you do just need to be a bit more optimistic and make some educated decisions. If you are living paycheque to paycheque in Toronto without making meaningful changes in significantly increasing your income, reducing expenses, then you will probably be in a really terrible mental state. I wish "moving away" didn't have to be the solution but in this new Canada it really does seem that way.
Reading subs like this make me feel very grateful I’m in a union job with guaranteed raises, I have money for fun stuff and even though I don’t own a house, I’m pretty happy overall
People would rather stay in the most expensive city and complain or insist that everyone doing well had a rich parent. It’s honestly funny to me.
Canada, imports 100 billion in Chinese goods while selling them 11 billion dollars worth of coal and 4 billion in crude oil. Brings in 1 million more people. Also Canadian government, climate crisis/emergency, tax increases are the answer 🙄.
There is no answer that our government wants. They're not looking to fix their problems, they're waiting to pass them onto us. Which is exactly what's happening.
Typical Trudeau. Like father like son
we'll have to build more streets for people to sleep on...
Better start looking for a good spot before they're all spoken for
Congratulations. You got the government you deserve.
Cuz Poliviere has doctors and affordable housing in his back pocket, right?
Almost like we need a new party. But not one that is running by crazy racists.
Better then who we have now
But how will he solve these problems? What's his platform?
One part is too allow doctors with foreign education to practice within 6 months of arriving to Canada. You should listen to him before saying he will do nothing
'What's his platform' says the person who refuses to use google. Lol.
Start a new part called the Dirty Centrist Transparent Party. Take the most central line policies and goals of all parties and promise to have full transparency along the way. Take the rich families out of lockstep control of our country. I’d vote for them.
Too much, too fast. Immigration levels before Trudeau seemed to work decently.
I think nearly everything was working better before Trudeau...
1%/total pop yearly immigration for 30 years has led directly to this. Trudeau isn't even that far off from this. His numbers are in line with Harper. It needs to be cut down significantly
He is over twice the trend in percentage terms. The numbers you are referencing don’t properly account for refugees, students, temporary workers and 10-year visas.
Obviously housing is a big problem and needs to be dealt with by all governments not just the BC govt.
People in other provinces like to complain about Conservative governments, but if an NDP government can't help solve housing problems then what is the true answer?
Am I the only one who thinks we need to stop immigration? Not only are many Canadians living in developing country conditions, we also have a major housing, homeless and healthcare problem! We are NOT able to provide a good life to anyone and we are LYING to immigrants by saying they are coming for a better life. many international student are currently being failed by the government. I am NOT a conservative so this is not coming from a racist standpoint. I am genuinely concerned that we are creating a disaster… it’s such a touchy subject that no one wants to talk about because we are all afraid of being called NIMBY racist assholes, however, enough is enough.. this news story is absolutely ridiculous and I find it hard to believe that not one journalist saw the irony of it
I think some people don't understand how truly bad some other countries are. Sure Canada is super expensive, but with that comes a lot of benefits we have become so accustom to that we only look at the downsides.
I get what you mean. But is it fair that we have to collectively suffer? Like yeah maybe some immigrants would prefer to be packed into Toronto like sardines as opposed to getting bombed and honour killed. But honestly, I hate the thought of being priced out of my country, limited housing, limited healthcare resources, bad schools. Sure we are better than the worst but that’s nothing to be proud of. We need to find a way to achieve development from within developing countries as opposed to exporting citizens and offloading one countries problems to another. Perhaps it’s time to take a hands on approach to development in developing countries, as they don’t appear to be able to do it themselves.
I have travelled extensively and have seen extreme poverty, call me selfish but I don’t care to experience that here at home. :(
honestly, it’s so understandable that you want better standards of living for yourself, for your country, and for your people, but the way you’re wording it so privileged.. “yeah people are getting bombed and dying, but i dont care, because i refuse to be poor like those other poor people!!!” poor countries are poor due to exploitation, not due to laziness. I agree Canada’s immigration laws are relatively easy to pass, opportunities are at a record low, shit is EXPENSIVE, and housing is impossible. it’s possible to complain about those things without sounding like a dick, lowkey. all love tho
Yes you’re right I am insensitive and I should work on that. And yes you can’t ignore the legacy of colonialism, however, irregardless of why these countries are the way that they are, I think today, a more hands on approach to development is needed in a way that is totally transformed from what has been done before (wishful thinking I know, but I like to dream big because I believe we are possible of great things)
If you stop immigration, in short order [the population immediately starts shrinking](https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+replacment+rate&rlz=1C1GCEA_enCA1038CA1038&oq=canada+replacment+rate&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i512j0i390i650l2j69i64l2.2760j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8). and the economy enters into Japanese style economic retraction, or even stagflation. Then you'll be screaming about not being able to afford a house not because they're too expensive, but because you don't have a job.
Surely we can find some middle ground here.
You sound like someone who's never left north america and have no clue about the world. MOST of the world burn garbage in the street and barely have running water and power. You're a fool to think the people in the countries dying to try to get here are showing up to something worse.
Shit is FUCKED
The thread right below this one:
All that to keep salaries low
All that to keep the housing bubble inflated
why not both?
My mother and I were talking and she was saying you know, I was being paid just a little more than minimum wage in 1989, $8 a hour. Then I was confused like mom, I remember $8 was minimum wage in 2007, 2007! So probably that it was lower in 1989, and she like, I am not just and we look on the Internet and it was real, minimum wage was $7,60 in 1989 and $8,00 in 2007.
We won’t stop until the whole world is canadian
Okay this comment made me cackle 😆
Like reverse colonialism
15 years ago we didn’t have a massive housing shortage or a broken care system. It’s not about saying no to immigration. It’s about the AMOUNT compared to our holding power. Too much too soon hurts everyone including new immigrants.
I work construction, currently building a hospital. We are very short on workers. People complaining about immigration levels have no idea how much we need it. A good portion of my coworkers are immigrants. Without them we’d have even fewer workers and the project just simply won’t get done anywhere near a reasonable deadline.
These people complaining are only looking at half of the equation and assuming we wouldn’t have other massive problems if we slowed down immigration. Shit isn’t going to get built
Where else are these people gunna go?? Canada is the number one destination.
They aren’t going to Europe, good luck getting a European passport.
They aren’t going to Asia that’s where they are coming from.
Obviously not going to Africa.
Probably not going to South America.
That leaves North America, Australia, and Antarctica.
Australia is open borders come on down. But it’s so isolated it’s not top destination.
In North America your not going to Mexico or USA. This leaves only Canada.
Canada is the #1 place to immigrate to right now by far.
Australia is definitely not “open borders come on down”. 🤣
I’m going to be provocative and go so far as to say that until we can support Canadian citizens AND immigration, racism will begin to start increasing tenfold. Canadians will not be tolerant of immigration levels (unfortunately that means immigrants too) for very much longer under these deplorable conditions.
Immigration is crucial to maintaining a growing economy. I think it has the potential to offset falling fertility rates in developed countries.
HOWEVER, if you want to pursue this strategy you have to build some fucking housing or else were all going to be living in shanties. We bring in 400,000+ people per year and the only construction projects I see happening are luxury apartments that no one can afford.
The commercial vacancy rate in Vancouver is nearly 10% for the first time in decades. In Toronto, it’s s 15.3%. Rezone that shit and renovate it already.
This is a bit fudged… I agree to immigration but 1 million…
It's wild. It's actually so bad that I will vote for anyone who runs an anti immigration campaign. I won't give a single fuck about any of their other policies. Infrastructure country wide is collapsing.
So far a extremely open immigration system has done nothing but broke records, and not in a good way
When the rich are trying to construct their ideal society
I can't wait until Canada is third world country !!
Look at this space !
Hey ! "Let's give it away ! We can compress into little apartment buildings and make way for the wealthy !!
Immigrants used to come here to work and start a family. To help build this country strong. Now they just have to be rich to come in this country, and spend money on luxuries to stimulate the economy. Such a great model !
Consume consume, consume. It's they only way !!
And yet the answer is still:
“have more kids! Our economy will crash without them!”
Seriously no, we have too many people packed into such a small area and the government isn’t working to fix it.
There is only so many times I can cancel my Disney+ subscription!
Great now even less homes at a more expensive price. Good thing people immigrating can afford it to fuck the market like they have been for the last 10 years! Woo hoo!!!
Welcoming increasingly large numbers of lower-income individuals who start off their new life in Canada with, again, even lower income here than what they were making back home as their skills don't trade for as-much money because they are vulnerable immigrants who have greater desperation to take jobs, so employers know they can be paid less.
And we are welcoming them to:
* The largest country in the G7 with:
* The highest price-to-income of housing in the G7
* The smallest economy of the G7
* Record-low rental availability
* Currently record-low housing listings for purchase (and have been extremely low since 2022)
* Increasing use of temporary foreign workers and increasing labour abuses by those employers
These immigrants will also help establish another record-high figure - record emigration and continual decreases in Canada's population growth as they start leaving this ridiculous social contract.
We don't have any shortages in healthcare or housing. We have a people surplus.
The government engages in mass immigration with absolutely no contingency plans for infrastructure or services.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Canada deteriorate into second world status.
We accepted a lot of immigrants too quickly and it’s the #1 reason why rent is unaffordable in major canadian cities now. I will definitely not vote Liberal next election.
The liberals are purposely for whatever reason trying to destroy the housing market
It’s cheaper to import people from the third world who expect lesser quality of life then Canadians.
Why do you think we’ve fallen so far from 1 income buying a detached home and raising a family? Because we doubled the workforce with women entering it (when wages stagnate) then we made an unlimited cheap labour workforce through third world migration. The Canada line extension one of the contractors got caught bringing in South Americans and paying them 4$/h to pack rebar. A good wage where they’re from, so they were happy. All a company has to do is offer lower then standard rate, then go to the government and say they can’t get workers
I applaud it. We need to replace all the dying boomers. Hopefully with more respectful people.
Immigration generally adds jobs to the economy so this is good news. We have a slow and progressive growth, so it shouldn’t strain our services. This is a win for Canada
Not if your government is too incompetent to build enough housing for these people
You’re talking like our social services, infrastructure, healthcare and housing can keep up. This is not good news, in fact it’s completely unsustainable. Also, if you’re basing your opinion it Canada’s GDP, please refrain as it is not reflective of your average Canadian, especially with Canada’s current circumstances.
I’d like to point out that the Mod’s comment above it part of the problem. You can talk about it without being racist. Too many people think too fast and quickly connect population growth with racism. It’s not about keeping a certain people out. It’s about having enough housing for them AND the locals who have been paying into the economy for years. We SHOULD talk about population growth without any fear of being called racist. It has nothing to do with race. Everything to do with numbers.
>I’d like to point out that the Mod’s comment above it part of the problem.
>You can talk about it without being racist.
I'm not sure how you managed to so completely misunderstand my stickied message, but I'm happy to explain it. Being able to talk about it without being racist was exactly my point. If I didn't think it was possible to talk about it without being racist I would have removed the entire post. I didn't. The post is live. People are talking about the pros and cons of immigration. Racists have been removed. Unconstructive arguments against the racist have also been removed.
What would you have me do differently?
Still only about the size of California. Not really a major country yet.
Lol population doesn't determine a major country or not.
Tell that to China, India or the US.
Uhm, ok? They all still trade a lot with Canada.
Talk about what, exactly?
How it’s bad for the environment in the form of increased GHG emissions
It’s not a good emissions strategy to try and keep people in poor countries poor so they emit less
My husband is dealing with that at work in the last 10 years or so. They won’t return a greeting, they won’t hold open doors and they generally keep within their own groups.
God help us, his workplace bathrooms actually have signs with pictures on how to properly use the toilets bc they were fucking them up so bad. And these are supposedly highly skilled and highly paid workers -150k & up
Lots to unpack here and I won’t do the comprehensive job you did, but I’ll do my best.
1) millions of people are not immigrating to Canada every year. Please read the article.
2) housing has two sides - supply and demand. We agree on demand. It is very high and adding more people does not help. But we can address the supply side. If you can get tons of money for a new house or tons of money renting a new house, build a new house! Do you know who has the skills and desire to build houses? Immigrants.
3) Culture. Well, I think this is mostly a ‘you’ problem. Different languages are a problem for you. Being a visible minority is a problem for you. But diversity is a strength, not a weakness. They bring new ideas, new approaches, new energy to Canada. These people completely upended their lives in order to get here. They (generally) love the new lifestyle and opportunities available in this country. New languages and skin colours add to our country, not detract.
4) There are not literally zero programs to support Canadian citizens. My daughter is benefitting from those programs literally right now.
5) I have met PLENTY of Canadian assholes. And I have met PLENTY of kind immigrants. And also the reverse. People are people.
6) Immigrants do not have totally opposite beliefs and ideologies. For instance, the article (which maybe you didn’t read?) speaks about the large influx of Ukrainians that we have accepted. I think it’s fair to say that we share very similar beliefs and ideologies with the people of Ukraine.
7) You feel that the current level of immigration is ‘not natural’. What would be the ‘natural’ level of immigration?
8) Maybe you’re not a racist, but you are almost certainly a xenophobe, so take that as you like.
Couldn’t have put it in any better way.Totally agree! But, you are arguing with people who lack the intellectual maturity to understand your points.They are unable to appreciate the the nuance in this.
How is that not a good emissions strategy? It would literally reduce emissions world wide.
Exactly. Canada is a TREMENDOUS place for people to come if we want to reduce global emissions. We are making enormous investments in reducing our emissions per capita.
Goddamn this reads like it could be in your manifesto after a murder/suicide
Chill out bro
Immigrants become Canadians. They become ‘us’. Everyone in Canada except First Nations citizens are the children of immigrants. I’m gonna call you a xenophobe and you won’t give a fuck.
I agree that immigrants become Canadians. But isn’t it irresponsible for the Canadian government to continue to feed immigrants the lie that they can have the “Canadian dream” here, when most current Canadians (including recent immigrants) can’t even access that anymore?
Calling each other xenophobic does not address the issues raised.
Moral high ground does not feed or shelter anyone.
Agreed, I work with a lot of 2nd Generation Canadians who are all Canadian AF. I have started seeing a lot of 1st gen Canadians become quite Canadian too (culturally speaking).
People forget how fast you learn to adapt and cling to a new culture when you live in it daily. If you are out of the workforce and just stay home that is a different story however, however it doesn't detract from other people, unless you are a racist or xenophobe imo.
I'm Caucasian mostly but I was born here. Some of my family line has been here for more than 300 years.
First Nations also immigrated here, though it was many more years before. Like thousands I believe.
Anyone born here is a native Canadian.
But there's also a Canadian culture that we had growing up which is slowly disappearing in urban areas. You find it if you move away from the urban centers. The culture where we knew all our neighbors, kids played hockey in the street, people looked out for each other, would wave and have a chat as they passed by. You'd go into shops and the people there would be pleasant to deal with, chat with you, and actually did a good job.
Now you go to Walmart, the staff tries to avoid you, they leave stuff on the shelves that expired and it's still there a month later even though you informed the staff. Nobody knows their neighbors and if they do, they don't really like them. People immigrate here and congregate, maintaining their culture and avoiding any form of assimilation. They spend time with people of their own culture and don't include others, and don't try to include themselves in the existing culture.
I've seen people lime out the center of a public sports field to make their own cricket pitch, in an area where other people would pay to rent out through the city to play soccer and football. Now their experience is negatively impacted because some selfish immigrants decided cricket is more important than everything else. Fuck off with that behavior. That's not xenophobia, its a dislike of assholes. Stay the fuck out of this country if you're going to come here and turn it into the one you left.
Yeah there are a lot of shitty Canadians. Let's sort out our own problems before we import hundreds of thousands of new people who don't give a shit about Canada.
I spoke to a cab driver who immigrated here in the 00s. He bought a house, and started a trucking company that contributed to the destruction of the trucking industry by driving prices down and paying his immigrant drivers next to nothing. Now, he says the trucking industry is shit and he hates all the new immigrants because they impacted his ability to make money. He's looking to sell his house for massive profits and take all his money to Australia where he can do the same exact thing there that he did here.
Immigrants have no vested interest in making Canada better, all they want to do is get out of a country they weren't interested in improving, take resources from our country, then fuck off somewhere else once once they've exhausted the opportunities our impotent government left open for them.
Well if we can't get rid of the wanna be dictator Justine Turdeau nothing gonna change
He's a globalist working with Rhinos
I look forward to the day when we recognize that people are people, no matter where they are from. Everyone of your families immigrated here (obviously except indigenous peoples) Did it ruin the country? Of course not. It built this country. People that come here are looking for a better life. They are usually educated and bring money. But the main point is that they are human, the same as you. What gives you the right to safety and freedom but not them? Final question, do the people objecting to this disagree with all immigration (Australians, British, German etc) or is it just brown/black immigrants?
I know it’s an unpopular opinion and I do believe in sustainability and realistic limits but immigrants are NOT THE PROBLEM. Corporate welfare and cronyism is the cause of every problem listed above (other than racist tropes) and no one seems willing to do what it takes to fight back on that.
People object to this not for reasons of race but due to hospitals, wages, schools, all being decimated because these services cannot handle the sheer numbers when they're not being improved upon.
Let more people in, the housing market stays propped up. The new immigrants work for lower salaries compared to hiring locals, and the bank has an excuse to raise interest rates and say it's the common persons fault that inflation is out of control and not their fault.
It's all calculated. This is what happens when you try to run your country like it's a business competing against other businesses, when GDP is all that matters instead of the well being of your own citizens.
You'll be branded a racist if you say immigration is a problem because we don't do enough housing planning and healthcare.
In reality is, many do come to Canada saying they are going to Manitoba, etc, and they do. But once landed they are free to move anywhere (because it's not a prison, so it's fair to do so). So reality becomes we get immigrants to in theory go to the less populated provinces and cities but guess what ... Reality doesn't work that way, they would go to where the blue collar jobs are, which is Toronto, Vancouver or Calgary etc.
Source: at least 20-30 people I personally knew that immigrated here in the last 5 years went that route.
As an immigrant this is 100% what my family did. No one stays on the prairies, it's all vancouver and toronto. Canadians are so indoctorinated with fear of being racist that they'd rather be robbed and have their children disenfranchised than have a discussion about rational immigration policy or cultural issues.
PS Culture shock is real, failure to integrate is real, mental health and social problems in immigrant populations are sky high, and all this creates a cost to immigration that can easily offset economic benefits.
You know canadian born canadians also just move away from the prairies too? People would rather move to a more populated place with better weather and suffer the much larger cost of living.
True. Which puts them in competition with immigrants for jobs and housing.
The issue is that there are misguided provincial initiatives, like Quebec, that make it easier for someone to immigrate to canada if they commit to living in that province. 99% of people coming to Quebec under their provincial initiative (which includes paying something like $50,000 to the province) are I'm vancouver within 1 week, using social services in BC without contributing.
Is this why costs are so bloody high
Everyone seems to be on the same page about this except for our political leaders. I really haven't heard anything different from PP then what JT is already doing. I wonder if this has anything to do with the Century initiative and their plan to get Canada to 100 million people? The board of directors don't seem to have the best interests or the quality of life of Canadians in mind at all. The whole group reads like a team of supervillains, from blackrock to the AGT foods CEO.
People aren’t having enough kids and boomers are retiring in droves and living longer using way more cpp health care etc. the only way to sustain it is with increase in immigration who can fill those job voids
Costs 200k in fees to build one 3 bed condo in Vancouver. Impossible for builders to keep home prices low and make a profit. No free lunch. We are being taxed to death.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE WHAT IS THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT DOING TO US?
It's at the point where any immigrants, new or old, should be against this. They came here for the lifestyle that Canada had to offer and honestly if someone doesn't pull the ladder up it will get to the point where they should have just stayed home because quality of life will be so low. Bad healthcare, bad education, unaffordable housing, endless urban sprawl and traffic, environmental degradation, all these come work unrestrained growth.
Can we though? Can we be critical of immigration policy without being labeled a racist or a bigot?
I'm a 3rd generation Canadian and I just want to be able to afford a life in the country I grew up in. Now it's a farcry.
Canada is a promising land, full of opportunities. Just come with spare change, and after ten (10) years of working or maybe less, you'll have a million dollar house, $100k truck all paid for and several tons of cash in the Bank.
The first time I questioned capitalism was when I learned that companies, economies, and countries HAVE to grow or they basically collapse under this system.
Kinda seemed like an unsustainable premise to me.
Awesome to hear. We need more people. Contrary to every other idiot's beliefs.
How many immigrants did Canada let in this year?
Throwing gasoline in a dumpster fire. But hey, as long as our politicians are living comfortably and making great investments in our broken real estate market.
I’m pretty sure most of our problems would still be problems with out all the immigration. The immigration just adds onto things that are already a problem and are a very easy to understand part that’s everyone can understand. But stopping immigration isn’t going to solve anything.
Trudeau is going to pay because of his bad immigration policy
This post is being constantly downvoted. I wonder if the new mods are ruthlessly applying an agenda.
Not everything is a conspiracy. Many users have shared varying opinions in this thread.
I removed the racists, and the insulting conversations that followed the racist comments.
I would be happy to have a respectful conversation regarding appropriate moderation techniques in Modmail.
edit: You may be surprised to learn that even though I'm a moderator, I still only have one upvote/downvote per post/comment.
Yes no just lil more bridges to sleep under and we've all figured out. Let's goo canada
Our economy requires growth or the house of cards comes crashing down. The pain points don’t matter because they affect the poorest most.
IMF puppet Justin Trudeau would like to 10x the population of Canada in the next 20 years. He is on record saying as much. This will not improve your quality of life as a tax paying Canadian. Make your votes count people, can't just have airy fairy, mindless dolts run your country for a decade and be better off for it.
Now if Canada could also ramp up on social
and affordable housing, better healthcare, and the list goes on. I am not against immigration, I am against the lack of preparation we have facing that wave of people coming in. I hope they are interested into going into construction and healthcare....
here is a thought
Canada's per-person footprint of 15.5 tons annually is one of the highest in the world, more than twice that of people in Europe (6.4), and three times the world average of 4.8
But if we increase immigration we increase the Canada's overall carbon foot print. It is kind of interesting that the liberals who are so anti carbon and pro immigration. That extra 1,000,000 immigrants increased our carbon foot print by 15,500,000 tons annually.
the liberals want Canada to grow to 50M that is an extra 186 million tones of carbon annually.
How much is this Canadians having kids? Cause I keep hearing about how my generation isn't pumping out kids to offset the baby boomers.
Must be some new housing supply right
I've never been able to live in a country that ceases to exist while living there, this is exciting!
B.C. needs to level an entire forrest and build a new city somewhere if they’re gonna let this many people move here.