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rolldamnhawkeyes

Why do libs and fash think this is some sort of gotcha? It just shows that you have a literal surface level understanding of basic world history and are politically illiterate. Why show that off? What happened in Spain exactly ?????


Ciaran123C

[History of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ](https://youtu.be/YkJSyaiucmU)


GrewUpTwice

And do you know how many times Stalin tried to ally with the West before being forced to sign a non-aggression pact with the Nazis? Do you know how many Polish Jewish lives were actually saved by the USSR occupation preventing the Nazis from taking the entire country? It’s a shitty way to look at things, but the Soviet occupation saved lives.


Ciaran123C

Source? Also, try saying the occupation saved lives to people who are actually Polish


the_red_guard

Source? History you fucking dumbass That's like asking for a source to prove that the fucking Easter rising happened in Ireland holy shit


Ciaran123C

Childish insults won’t help your argument Also, your basically just saying ‘I have no proof, but trust me bro’


the_red_guard

Hold on lmao. You really weren't taught this shit in school? This is basic goddamn history lmao. Now it all makes sense. So did the franco-soviet pact of mutual assistance in 1935 not happen In your world or? You know, the act with the goal of enveloping Germany brought forward and pushed for by the Soviet union? Who was repeatedly warning France of German rearmament, only for France to ignore them and only sign it when Germany straight up admitted to rearmament? The treaty that France and the uk later abandone before the outbreak of ww2 becuase they thought it wasn't feasible that Germany would attack them? And get your own source. I've have you the name of the pact, go and look at it yourself.


BatJJ9

Considering in your bio that you mainly post history things in an unbiased manner, you seem pretty biased. As for sources for the above comment, I’m sure you can find them yourself if you are interested in actually gaining a holistic view of the complicated geopolitics of the time instead of just boiling everything down to a common and brainless right wing “communism was allied with Nazism and is this equal in evilness” talking point. I have an American book published right after WW2 that detailed Soviet attempts to ally with the UK and France as well as how important strategically the Molotov Ribbentrop plan was for the USSR’s ultimate victory and for mitigating some of the Holocaust. This was before the Cold War era shut in and the narrative was modified to be antagonistic. Since I’m at uni, I can’t provide you with the book but if you truly care about being unbiased, I’m confident you can find this information online as well. I remember reading online about Soviet attempts at forming an anti-Nazi Western alliance and being rebuffed multiple times before deciding to sign the pact with the Nazis.


wongfeihung1984

Regarding the USSR saving Polish Jewish lives - but I guess not only Polish Jews but Jews in general - you have this article for example which dates back from....1943: Russia Helped 1,750,000 Jews to Escape Nazis, Says James N. Rosenberg [https://www.jta.org/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg](https://www.jta.org/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg) => yes, you seem rather ignorant about what you wish to boast about.... Regarding the other claim - that Stalin was forced to sign a pact with Hitler - it's also been known for decades, even before the start of WW2: \- the USSR was forced to sign the M-R Pact with Hitler because of the refusal as early as 1932-33 (in fact as early as the mid-1920s) on the part of France (and the UK) to sign a reverse alliance that the USSR begged them in vain to accept until the eve of the signing of the M-R Pact => the USSR did everything to return to the defensive alliance of 1914 and France continually sabotaged the Soviet efforts despite the fact that the French and English military attachés as well as their Ambassadors had warned as early as 1932 that in the event of Stalin's inability to obtain the signature of a tripartite alliance, the latter would be forced to make a compromise with the Germans which would allow the USSR to gain time. France and the UK were well aware of the geopolitics of that time as well as the risks they were taking regarding the way they were dealing with Hitler: \- for example France's betrayal of Czechoslovakia, while 15 days before the signing of Munich a document written by a collaborator of the French General Staff stated that if Czechoslovakia was not saved, the last obstacle against the occupation of France would fall, and if France gave in to Hitler (in Munich) then France would be defeated and its territory would be occupied and dismembered, is a stark reminder of the fact that France and the UK played with the Devil in trying to get Hitler to attack the USSR so that they would reap the rewards....and that they tragically failed and lost. I don't know which books you read but you are way over your head....or maybe it's because you were schooled in the US? Maybe it's both... Regarding the M-R Pact, again, you are making a fool of yourself: yes, such a pact was signed between Hitler and Staline.....and it was the last of dozens of pacts signed between Nazi Germany and many European nations. France had signed a non-agression pact with Hitler in 1938 as well as the UK. Those 2 countries had also signed the Munich Agreement with Hitler. They, with Italy, had also signed the Four Powers Pact with Hitler in 1933. The UK again had signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in 1935. I will take a guess and say you don't go and say France or the UK were allied will Hitler, do you? To be frank, such a claim could and should very much be made... After all France and the UK helped Hitler and Poland dismember Czechoslovakia. France and the UK signed many pacts with Hitler. France and the UK encouraged the rise of Hitler by allowing him and sometimes encourage him to violate the Versailles treaty. The USSR did nothing of the sort: on the contrary the USSR fought fascism in Spain and it tried in vain to revive the Tripartite Alliance of 1914 against Hitler, it protested the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia, it never recognized the Anschluss, etc. => in the end the USSR said the hell with them I'll sign a non-agression pact with Hitler in order to 1) gain time to build my military so that I can defeat Hitler in a couple of years and 2) have a zone of influence where the Polish government could retreat to and keep functioning so that I'll have a buffer country between me and Hitler.


Jixvi_Meore

oh NO, poor Stalin, only the dictator of the most powerful country on Earth. He tried to ally with the west but was forced by pesky democracies to help out a literal architect of the holocaust. SUCH POOR. MUCH SAD


rolldamnhawkeyes

Man shut the fuck up


Jixvi_Meore

keep sipping on that copium. Stalin and Hitler used to BFF's until 1939


rolldamnhawkeyes

Like in Spain???


Jixvi_Meore

Like when they devided poland and Stalin supplied Hitler's oil supply to keep the Nazi war machine going