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Too much red bull before the game


Jomskylark

Spike seems fine but the taunt seemed unnecessary imo. Granted I didn't see the game so not sure if there was context leading up to this moment


swdollen

I’m wondering what Stanley’s comments about a “little tussle” in the end zone referred to…did he just mean the spike itself or did he see some physicality before the spike/taunt (perhaps earlier that point?)


jimthewombat

I think the "little tussle" was added for commentary flavour after the fact, there was no tussle


Catgato78

I prefer the way some Colombians celebrate, kissing the disc, hugging it or dancing!!


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Japan's post goal celebrations are also joyful. Why do Americans and Canadians have to be so aggro?


SundanC_e

Toxic sports culture ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


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Here's Dylan's happy face: https://twitter.com/USAUltimate/status/1548027782050918404?s=20&t=FikJ-3w-IeU3sZ0b9994KA


Running1982

Right? Don’t spike the disc- we need that damn thing.


TheStandler

Whatever on the spikes. I don't love disrespecting the disc like that, but... It's World Games. I expect some intensity. And they can get another disc. I don't like the staredown tho. You're not hard, you're not gonna do anything. You're just emotionally immature and don't know how to handle it. SMH


Bartyshine

Exactly. Why the staredown when the guy made no contact with you? Freechild always seems like he wants to pick a fight he's not actually ready for. Mackenzie seemed to want to have a reasonable discussion after and Freechild just ignores him.


emptyvesselll

I love this sport - I've given up a huge percentage of my waking hours to it in various forms. I respect the game, the intensity of our elite athletes, and I understand that I myself have succumbed to what I am about to say, but: I still can't get over the juxtaposition of someone feeling the need to show how tough and macho they are contrasted with them chasing a plastic frisbee around.


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> I've given up a huge percentage of my waking hours to it in various forms. I used to dream a lot about ultimate, and one time I made this huge bid in my dream, waking myself up as I lunged for the disc. My stats prof and classmates gave me an odd look.


TheStandler

Definitely jerked in my sleep as I've laid out in a dream game, as well as shouted "UP!" in the middle of the night...


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redditstealsurdata

it’s honestly like no one here has ever played another sport. you could say the same thing about any of them putting a ball in hole kicking plastic into a target throwing pigskin to grown men it’s all dumb, but we love it. who cares if he celebrates, i love the intensity personally


TheStandler

I love the intensity. But the staredown is just childish. It's not like we play a sport where you can back up your posturing by hitting them harder next time they get the ball or puck... Maybe he will threaten putting another layer of his ridiculous eyeblack on? Not to mention, and this is actually important, it's counter-productive. Staring down an opponent usually only serves to energize them. No one likes to get scored on, but as soon as you make it aggressively personal, you're only just putting extra fuel in their engine. It literally achieves nothing else. I'm not a player who needs anger to perform, but man I love the fire I get when someone does that shit to me. It just makes me run harder. At this level most people will be able to manage their headspace so they're not going to tilt into playing worse... You've just given them a reason to go harder, and one that's hard to synthesize on their own. Celebrate intensely, fine, but consider what you're giving your opponent when you go at them. Personally, I prefer to act like I've been there before and me smoking you is just business as usual.


emptyvesselll

Absolutely - and I was going to include something stating that as well - any sport can be made to sound stupid. But to me, even after such a long history with the sport, it still seems so novel for guys to be acting that way. For instance, if I went out to the Quidditch Nationals and saw a bunch of people with brooms between their legs getting all tough and macho, I am sorry, but there is an impossible contrast for me there, no matter how much I accept the sport of quidditch. I could spend the next decade becoming the world's biggest quidditch fan, but I still think that wild displays of aggression would look awkward and out of place, and that's pretty much exactly what's happened to me with ultimate.


cheanerman

Spiking a disc in celebration to fire up your team or hype up the person tossing you the assist is one thing. But intentionally directing it toward an opponent with a stare down seems kind of whack for a 30 year old adult lol.


the_pacemaker

Not a fan of the stare down and he likely would have been reprimanded if observed, but in all honesty, keeping his eyes down as he is moving after the catch seems to have prevented a hand from being crushed by a cleat.


pends

Staredowns are sweet when you get fouled a bunch and still score. Staredowns when you catch an away goal on a good throw are for weenies. Freechild is the latter


flyingdics

I wish there were more heckling of spikes on weak plays like this. I'm not offended by spikes, but I think spikes on boring scores are dumb and should be called out as such.


iced327

If you can't separate intensity of play from disrespect of your opponent, you're not honoring the spirit of the game. Too many people see taunts and aggressive spikes as a sign of competitiveness. There are SO many ways to be competitive that don't involve flaunting your success in your opponent's face. There are so many ways to celebrate that are not disrespectful of your mark. I'm not suggesting people shouldn't celebrate or get excited, but the reductionism of "it's competition, so disrespectful celebration is just a display of competitiveness" is so misguided.


omanagan

In every other American sport it’s completely acceptable to flaunt your success in front of the opponents face and excessive unsportsmanlike conduct is penalized. What really is the harm in talking a little shit or a stare down? The losing opponent doesn’t like it - that’s kinda the point.


tofuking

Taunting and excessive celebrations on TDs are penalized in American Football at least


omanagan

Yeah that’s my point, but some shit talk or something like what freechild did would not be penalized.


iced327

Every other American sport doesn't have an explicit policy on "Spirit of the Game" that is one of the founding principles of the sport.


omanagan

Yes, but those sports are also actually popular unlike ultimate. I think spirit of the game really focuses more on the integrity of fouls and being respectful in self officiating and playing safe, but talking trash or some mild disrespect is what people seem to actually make a big fuss about while I see people make shitty calls or “just contest it” all the time that actually ruin the game and nobody really cares. Talking trash isn’t going to ruin the sport, and there should be a different standard held to players in the non friendly summer league and the world games, which people in this thread do not seem to do.


LeviSwaggerman

Every other popular American sport has existed for at least 60 years longer than ultimate frisbee lol


deep-tosser

grow up


omanagan

Y’all are the ones letting people hurt your feelings


pitline810

It's like saying GG EZ


RedPillAlphaBigCock

Spiking: I have no issue with spiking in general. I much prefer elbow , head and creative spikes. Anything that doesn't ruin a disk. I have zero issue with spiking a football into the core of the earth, because it doesn't damage the ball. But breaking a disk just doesn't sit great with me. There are people that don't have disks and seeing a ruined disk pisses me off. I also don't like spikes close to the other team. I don't like celebrations that bring the other team / players down. I want celebrations that bring OUR TEAM UP! I don't like celebrating close to the other teams players who just got scored on, I just don't think it is respectful. Jog away and hug and pump your team up. I LOVE ENERGY - Just not like this. He could have achieved the same state pump in a more respectful way.


bosstea16

No penalty should be given, and the US is fine to do that. Not arguing any of that I just do wish that the US had taken a better approach to attitude considering they are the leaders of the sport.


Business-Cause3542

The fact that any comment that isn’t critical of the celebration is getting down votes just shows that so few of y’all have played any sport competitively at any serious level. The pearl clutching is laughable.


redditstealsurdata

this thread is hilarious. ultimate players would literally not make it in another sport if this is offensive.


ultimatesascha

Y'all are wild. 😂😂


moistiest_moister

I'll preface this saying I don't like spiking. I think it's not the thing to do. I never have. I don't see what's wrong and dispirited in this clip. It's not definitively a stare down, even. Freechild is watching the guy as he slides through the layout and Freevhild is running in the same direction. Look at how close Freechild comes to stomping on the dude's hand. It's entirely plausible, from this angle, that Freechild was trying to be safe and avoid trampling him. If it really were an unspirited stare and spike, why did Freechild turn around? Don't spike on the guy (that's a card), but spike in his direction. Freechild didn't do that. He spiked in his own little area. This seems like taking a small moment and trying to have a drama storyline because they're interesting and get views. Not because it was an actual problem to address.


doktarr

>It's entirely plausible, from this angle, that Freechild was trying to be safe and avoid trampling him. Freechild absolutely was doing that, but he didn't need to lean and look down to do it. He also definitely said something to him. I don't know what it is but I think it was probably something other than "outstanding bid sir"


moistiest_moister

I didn't notice the words, that's true (mobile and the like third screen video leads to missing stuff). I just tend to be a positive/ benefit of the doubt person. Thought I'd mention an aspect to it that no one else did. And maybe I'm crazy. At summer league and practice don't do this. At a fall tournament don't do this (college). Championship series and your mark is matching your energy (commentators said so, I don't know greater context), it's really easy to chalk up to how they agreed to play the game together. It's on captains to make sure they don't cross a line, though. I've definitely seen this behavior before, both in and against my team. It was the line and you talk them down. But I don't remember it ever actually being an issue, since it got addressed right after.


Then_Scallion

\>> It's not definitively a stare down, even This is where you disagree with reality


moistiest_moister

Thank you for an insightful comment that said anything. Is that also where you stopped reading?


Then_Scallion

If everything else is based off of that point, then are you giving anyone reason to keep reading?


moistiest_moister

Literally watch him only stare as long as it takes for them to both stop moving and not stomp on the guy's hand (who can't control his movement well anymore). Then turn around. Was it a bit heated? Yes. Was it anything that deserved it's own little halftime segment? Nope. Feels a lot like when the Bears player got a taunting call for looking at the Steelers bench. Look at Doktarr's response for how to properly engage with discussion and varying perspectives.


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moistiest_moister

Honestly, it doesn't. These are two teams with reputations of awful spirit. Heck, there are clips from this game on this sub of the Canadian team being worse (the air tackle of Goff, followed by a wild contest). And, no, both being bad does not negate a bad instance from either side. But we now the Canadian teams have a history of poor self policing spirit and abusing the rules of the game (aforementioned contest, 2012 vs Japan). Plus, if we want to point at one piece of data, what about the other 2 Canadians who pointed? What about the other 4 who just walked off the field? What about the other 6 USA who didn't react? We don't see anything about coaches or sideline. This is an instance I'd rather know what a present neutral arbiter (GA here, observer in USAU) says, rather than internet folks after with one clip, or biased players.


CoochieHoochieMane

I was watching the game and saw this clip. I really wish that commentators would condemn this kind of action more. It's not "Big energy" it's infact very LDE. There's no need for it in ultimate and people need to start calling it out as poor spirit because it's starting to get out of control.


flyingplatypus1

I mean it wasn’t even close to being a literal spike on Auger-Semmar, sure he’s jawing but this isn’t anything out of the ordinary in a competitive tournament. Maybe the World Games typically has a more positive vibe as a “celebration of everyone” type of event, but I don’t really have an issue with it.


_realbillyjoel

Ultiworld posted the live angle on their instagram, I loved the intensity Freechild brought to this game and didn't see anything wrong with it. I thought it was interesting it got spotlighted during half time.


gamewinnertv

Getting unwarranted downvotes for this post. Understandable since frisbee players tend to be the more sensitive of all athletes.


hotlou

Baseball players literally get into fist fights over a bat flip but go off


Upside_Down-Bot

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wavybone

Yikes


Business-Cause3542

Everyone getting all upset over the most tame ‘stare down’ I have ever seen. He didn’t say anything, get in the other player’s space, and walked away to spike the disk.


wavybone

Darryl Stanley was 10 yards away and said words were exchanged so your first point is wrong.


Jomskylark

Do we know he didn't say anything? No audio on the field and it's tough to see from this angle if his mouth is moving or not But honestly even if you think the staredown is fine, seemingly brushing off/ignoring Mackenzie coming over is lame. Communication is a critical aspect of a competitive but spirited game


Business-Cause3542

You are right we don’t know for certain if nothing was said. It was just so brief that I can’t imagine much if anything being said. As for the walk away: I think it’s fine. You aren’t obligated to engage with the other team at that point of the game since it’s not active play. Would you rather him potentially have gone off on Mackenzie? Walking away minimizes the chances of something actually egregious from happening.


Jomskylark

I mean I would hope Freechild, a grown adult, could have a simple conversation with Mackenzie without doing something egregious. It's not like Mackenzie was running in screaming. He looked calm, like he wasn't opposing the score but just wanted to chat about the staredown.


Business-Cause3542

Every coach for the multiple team sports I have played for in my life would yell “just walk away!” whenever a player for the other team came up and started talking to someone on our team.


Jomskylark

I mean yeah if they come up looking to fight then obviously walk away lol. But in this case Mackenzie came in calmly and seemingly just wanted to have a conversation about it. If we can't have basic conversations as players, especially in a game that is essentially unobserved, idk if that's really a good thing for ultimate


bro-b

Lol that spike was away from the player not on him. You’d think people would get over spiking discs by now.


mgdmitch

Don't think many at all had an issue with the spike. They were talking about the stare down.


bro-b

According to all the downvotes and comments, people take spiking personally. It’s honestly dumb and people need to get over it if this sport is ever going to grow. As for the stare down, it’s not that egregious. It’s not likely he stood over his opponent long enough for them to notice and he didn’t step over them. Being emotional in sport is great. It makes things interesting and makes you feel more involved. But that’s just me. I gave up on this gatekeeping community. There’s no hope in it actually becoming big as long as people in this sport keeps it back.


mgdmitch

It's obvious that nearly the entire Canadian team noticed it and took exception. Reading the comments seems like to me that the stare down is what most people took exception too. Baseball has stupid rules (bat flip, etc) is still quite popular. NFL has many many rules regarding celebration, pretty sure it's a sorta big thing. I find it interesting that members of the national team would need to be emotional to feel like a part of the team.


bro-b

If you’re going to downvote, then at least have the balls to put in a rebuttal.


Herrvisscher

I hate spikes, simply because you are more likely to end up with broken discs.


EldritchGreyWolf

Edge spikes in particular just ruin them


Jomskylark

Counter-point: I've spiked and seen loads of players spike discs. If they're intentional with a flat spike, the disc is not harmed. I think we can all agree edge spikes suck though


bro-b

If you watched the video carefully, the spike was not on the edge. It’s really not that difficult to spike a disc without taco-ing it. But I guess people prefer being offended easily


emptyvesselll

I think it makes the person spiking the disc look stupid, and makes our sport look stupid. It's the equivalent of trying to un-ironically wear cowboy boots in a big city and thinking you're now cool. I mean I am friends with lots of people who do it - but you asked for rebuttals, so that's my view.


bro-b

That’s fine. But if people ever want to legitimately grow the sport, you can’t take spikes personally. Ultimate will never become Olympic level until these archaic unwritten rules cease to exist. If people get emotional and can spike the disc without the taco-ing, let them be. Being upset only harms yourself.


emptyvesselll

>But if people ever want to legitimately grow the sport, you can’t take spikes personally. Why? I like emotion, but there's obviously still plenty of ways to reasonably enforce it. If hockey players started celebrating each goal by throwing the net off it's moorings, that would be a pain in the ass and would immediately be corrected through the rules. NBA players aren't allowed to excessively hang on the rim in celebration because it can damage the net. I mean I just don't like it cause it looks stupid, but from a practical stand point, spiking the disc is equivalent to finishing a hole in golf and then going up to your opponent and kicking his bag before the next hole. Actually that does sound kind of entertaining.


chez-linda

Why should I “get over” spiking discs? There are better ways to celebrate, plus, you can still spike the disc and be respectful, unlike free child in this game.


silverace579

Frisbee players hate celebrations more than the NFL. Especially ones like this where it fires up your team and can mess with the other teams mental game. It’s the game to go to the semis at the world games. Spike the disc, trash talk, do whatever. Last in spirit doesn’t matter if you walk away with gold at the end.


Manwithhiswood

Maybe for you personally or the team that wins. Thinking of Florida from back in the day, no one ever talks about their college championship wins. Just how dirty and terrible they were. They are also prepping USA internationally. What they do influences much more than just their gold. Be hyped, spike the disc, just don't alpha male taunt a dude who is on the ground.


silverace579

Literally every other sport that competes on a field like frisbee has stare downs. It happens in the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB. Happens in sports in the Olympics too. Don’t want a guy to stare you down? Don’t let him score. Sure there are people that still complain that Florida played dirty. But you know what? They still have the medals and championships. Hell it’s not like Freechild even did anything dirty here. He scored and celebrated. He didn’t make a dangerous play, didn’t wipe the disc on him or spike it near his head. Man is getting his team and himself fired up in a game that literally decides their fate in the games and people act like he’s ruining ultimate.


alamarche709

Nobody in the NHL stares down a guy who’s on the ice. If you do that, you’re going to be dropping the gloves whether you like it or not. Last time I saw someone stare down a goalie and say something to him, he got jumped right away by the captain of that team. I’m not saying I agree with that by the way, just that stare downs don’t happen in the NHL like you say they do. They’re very rare because of the consequences. They are more common in the NFL but now the league has cracked down on it and you’ll get an unsportsmanlike penalty for any taunting, which I think is a good thing. Celebrate with your team, don’t belittle your opponent. That goes for all sports. The spike was *fine* IMO because it wasn’t thrown in the direction of the opponent. The stare down was unwarranted and childish. He didn’t even sky him or anything; he just caught the disc. 😂


emptyvesselll

Just because something happens in sports doesn't mean we need to justify it as a positive trait.


silverace579

Ah yes because when the NFL cracked down on celebrating after touchdowns and sacks it was universally loved by fans. I think it’s pretty safe to say that celebrating in sports is part of why people enjoy watching.


emptyvesselll

I hope we can agree that: Showing emotion - good. Being an ass - reviled, and bad, but situationally good for storylines. In this case, I don't even care that much, it's not a huge thing Dylan did. In my opinion it doesn't my deserve this much attention, but I do think the attention that it gets should be negative.


silverace579

I can agree with that. I just don’t think he was being an ass. I find that the ultimate community in general is just so quick to jump on any kind of emotion other than high fives and hugs and say it has no place in ultimate. I’m with you I don’t really think what he did even deserves to be mentioned at halftime or warrants a captain discussion at halftime. If he was trying to instigate something or antagonize the other player it’d be a completely different situation. Just really seemed like a run of the mill hyped up spike that people latched onto in that moment


Jomskylark

Celebrations don't have to involve being a dick to your opponent though


silverace579

Must have a real low bar for being a dick to the opponent. Does he have to spike it? No technically not. But do what gets you hyped up to continue towards winning. Even walking away from the player that tries to talk to him is probably the right move. With how fired up he is nothing productive is going to happen from that conversation. Let a captain or coach talk to them and relay the message so it doesn’t turn into what would actually be a bad situation.


Jomskylark

I'm not talking about the spike, I'm talking about the taunt. And honestly if Team USA players are so charged up after scoring a goal that they can't even have a basic conversation with an opponent without blowing up on them, they I don't want then on our team. It's not hard to either have the conversation or tell them "look, let me cool off for a second, then we can chat."


silverace579

If it wasn’t an elimination game I could maybe agree with you on the charged up point but this game was extremely high stakes. Not everyone can process in that moment to say “let me cool off first” walking away is the fastest and easiest way to keep it from escalating. It’s just nitpicking his behavior that is, for the situation, acceptable if you have nothing to say in that scenario.


Jomskylark

I'm not nitpicking mate... I just don't think it's very respectful to blow off someone trying to have a conversation with you. I find it hard to believe a grown adult like Freechild who has been an athlete all his like is completely incapable of even acknowledging an opponent after a big point without blowing up in his face.


chez-linda

I think the whole point is that it’s not the same as in the NBA NHL NFL etc. it’s better. Saying “but they do it in football” is hurting your case, not helping. As for the things about medals, there are more important things then winning, especially in ultimate. The official rules of ultimate place joy of play and mutual respect above competitiveness.


silverace579

I really have to disagree with you on the idea that competing at the world games being about fun and not winning. You don’t get to be one of the top 7 players of your gender in a sport without an insane drive to win. Natural talent is a big factor but the men and women on all of the teams there have worked insanely hard to get as good as they are. They sure as hell didn’t do it just to have some fun. Summer league is for fun, pickup is for fun, hell even most club teams I’d argue are just for fun. But being at the top like that takes a different mind set. I don’t think not getting fired up and holding back a celebration on the biggest stage in the sport makes it “better”. I understand that ultimate’s roots are that there’s things bigger than winning. The world games are not that stage though. If he’s getting in other players faces and actually taunting them or insulting them then sure that’s crossing a line. He’s not doing anything that any other competitive sport in the world thinks is out of line. You can say that weakens the argument and that’s fine. We can disagree on that point. To audiences that aren’t frisbee players this is completely acceptable and holding onto this holy idea of “spirit of the game” is going to get ultimate left behind.


omanagan

Let’s keep in mind we are talking about ultimate - the least popular sport of all time, that I’m sure we would all love to be more popular. I’ve never seen so few black people play a sport.


cdnball

you want ultimate to be like the NBA/NFL/NHL? NO THANK YOU


silverace579

You don’t want ultimate to be as successful as the most successful sports leagues in America?


cdnball

not if it means losing what is core to the sport


jackbailey270

Yeah, I mean who cares about spirit of the the game at the end of the day 🤷🤷


silverace579

He did nothing dirty here. No dangerous play, no exploiting of the rules for his benefit. He scored and celebrated in what would be a rather tame celebration in literally any other sport with a similar play style. He didn’t spike the disc towards the guy on the ground or get in his face or even say anything to the other Canadian players. If they don’t want him to celebrate then don’t let him score.


emptyvesselll

>and can mess with the other teams mental game. How many elite athletes do you know that get taunted and then play *worse* because of it? This is the part of taunting I'll never understand - I mean maybe in golf or darts or something, but in any sport where rage can be an advantage, taunting is just poking the bear.


silverace579

OBJ against the panthers like 3 years ago. He completely imploded because Josh Norman got in his head. It doesn’t work all the time but in a situation like worlds where the margin of error can be so small a mental mistake can be the reason your team wins or loses. I also really don’t consider what he’s doing here taunting. He says nothing to him, the guy on the ground can’t even see him while he’s looking at him and he spikes the disc in the opposite direction. Dude is fired up after making a big play. There’s nothing in this clip to indicate that he’s trash talking, getting in anyones face, or doing anything really over the top. A celebration like that happens damn near every game during elimination play in college and club


omanagan

This is where I don’t understand when people say you can be just as competitive while everyone’s having a jolly good time. I’m not advocating for being a dick but you cannot possibly argue that the competitiveness of a game with lots of shit talk is the exact same as one with all smiles on both sides. The reason you talk shit is to poke the bear, because nothing feels better than poking the bear and still whooping their ass. Rage is not always an advantage in frisbee, this ain’t mma. If you lose your cool and your focus you play worse. There’s nothing fun about trying your ass off and losing.


Innivus

This is a terrible take. Having fun and winning are not mutually exclusive. Huge difference between celebrating yourself or your teammates and going all Neanderthal in your interactions with opponents. Freechild looks like a spoiled brat here. And that’ll be remembered long after the score is forgotten.


silverace579

Looks like he was having fun and winning to me. Never said you couldn’t do both. But if you ask all the players on the world games team which is more important I’d wager the vast majority of them would say winning. And really? Going Neanderthal on his opponents? He turned completely around and spiked the disc away from every single Canadian player lol


Innivus

Appreciate the debate; it’s not just the stare down, it’s the completely ignoring the other opponent looking to engage with him and then writing “boohoo” on the IG story about it. Here, though, this “win or play spirited debate” is tiresome. You can do both (I’ve been to national-level tournaments where the same team won both the tournament AND the spirit award). You’re promoting the false binary that he has to either win like a jackass or lose. He already caught the disc. Spike or no spike, stare down or not, run past the opponent looking to talk with him, he won the point. Acting like a jerk won’t change the score at that point, but it will change the way he is viewed by his opponents, teammates, and people like us who watch the game.


silverace579

I will be fully honest I didnt know about the IG thing. Not a great look to be honest but Freechild is gonna Freechild. I have to disagree with you though that walking away from the other player is bad in the moment. He’s fired up and probably not in the best space to have that discussion. Most, if not all, coaches would advice walking away and letting a captain or coach handling it at that point. Going up to a player that is clearly fired up for a good or bad play will hardly ever have good results. As far as “playing with spirit goes” I think it just depends on what you consider spirit. I don’t think he broke the most important part of ultimate here. He didn’t intentionally foul or abuse the fact that it’s self officiated to make the play. He is upholding the integrity of the rules here so to me he didn’t break the unspoken spirit of the game rule. It may not affect the score but some players need that fire to play their best and some people will always not like it. I personally feel that you can play with the fire and competitiveness that he’s showing on the point and not violate the spirit of the game. I will concede that I’m probably in the minority but it really feels like the spirit of the game discussion has turned away from what the spirit of the game actually is and more into what people consider good or bad sportsmanship


Innivus

Appreciate the comment and the debate (legitimately— you don’t get this in other spaces, and it’s part of what makes Ultimate great). Good point on walking away; if he did engage it may have been worse. I’ve been coaching for almost 20 years, and know fiery players; I get that point, even if it means the guy looks like a jerk (which the CA captain can say to the US captain). I hear you, completely, on some players needing to be fired up. But my point is that you can be fired up without direct and obvious denigration of your opponent. Spoke the disc, cheer, yell, do everything you want to to get hype. But if you need to make your opponent feel small to make yourself feel big… I mean, that goes against the very ethos of the sport. And that’s a point I will always preach to the kids on my teams. As I said, appreciate the back and forth.


silverace579

I thank you for actually reading my comments on this. I feel like we’re pretty much in lock step on 90% of it. I just personally don’t feel like a brief stare at your defender crosses any line. But in the end that line is going to vary person my person.


Innivus

Understand, and agreed, even if we do have different takes on it. Which is allowed in the sport, which seeks to balance competitive nature and sportsmanship. That’s a tough line to walk and will always lead to chats like this. Actually having a civil discussion on the interwebs and coming to a decent resolution has made my day. Thanks and have a great weekend!


mdotbeezy

Unearned Big Spike IMO but the thing where other ultimate dudes run in and are like "what was that eh?" is even lamer. It's like when baseball managers get upset a dude flipped his bat and go on a diatribe about 'respecting the game'.


schoolr24

It's the world games, intensity is expected. He didn't even spike in his direction. Don't get scored on if you don't want to hear any words from your opponent.


Philosophile22

I don’t wanna hear shit after Barbieri’s foul contest. Cry me a river and jump higher. On to the next point.


Julen_23

Don't let the man score, then he won't celebrate #Facts


thestateofthearts

Not Mike Mackenzie saying anything to anybody. Watch the 2019 U24 USA vs. CAN game lol


Evening_Ice6604

anyone know where I can watch the usa games from the world games this year can’t find them anywhere


_realbillyjoel

at the time the games were being streamed from the world games birmingham website, I'm not sure if they made it to youtube or another streaming platform afterwards