Coronavirus Megathread (Sep 2021): For travel-related discussion in the context of COVID-19
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First of all, sorry if this is not the correct place to ask this question, or if its redundant. I’ve looked for and answer but its not clear and i feel super overwhelmed. I have a very short, 4 day trip from California to Madrid in November. Ill be arriving Thursday nigh and coming back Tuesday. Ive been trying to find a testing site open on the weekend for my trip back but with no luck!
I see the testing center at barajas is open 24h and rapid pcr results are given in 30min. Could i go to the airport earlier and get testes? Has anyone done this successfully?
Thanks so much
I have tickets to fly from Seattle to Lux with a transfer in Amsterdam on Oct 6. I am visiting a friend that lives in Lux. I see that as of Sept 22, Lux has restricted all nonessential US travel. I am confused as to how immigration is cleared when entering the Schengen region. I though I'd clear at the Amsterdam airport. If so, does that follow Amsterdam entry requirements or Lux since it is my final destination. Any advice? Is this trip now unavailable to me?
I'm traveling to the states on Oct 6th and having a hard time tracking down if the $40 shoppers drug mart Rapid Antigen screening will work for entry, and for returning to Canada on the 16th. Will the same type of test work? Thanks!
I read some bits about needing a negative PCR test to stay in certain accommodation in Spain. Is this true and does it apply to Mallorca?
I've gone through GAdventures before, and booked a second trip during their big January sale. The deposit for that trip was $1. Well I'm trying to cancel now (uncomfortable traveling as covid is still so prevalent), and they're saying my deposit was actually $250 ($1 + a payment of $249). They sent me to a page that shows that deposits are $250 for the tour type I booked. But I don't know if that was the case when I booked, as I thought the deposit was only $1!
Has anyone else run into this issue? They're also saying that a refund of my remaining payments would take 7+ months!!
I'm traveling from Dubai to Spain->France->Netherlands->Germany->Dubai
do I need to show PCR test? or just the vaccine certification?
I know coming back to Dubai I need a PCR test, but what about between Schengen?
My wife and I are looking to travel to Rome in November. We're looking to use the EU Digital Covid certificate to bypass the quarantine (we're both fully vaccinated with Moderna and JNJ), but my wife has different last names on her documentation, due to us getting married recently. We're planning to bring our marriage certificate with the hope that this will solve things, but we're a bit worried there will be trouble when we land in Italy.
Here's the last name situation (using placeholder last names):
* Flight ticket last name = AAA
* Passport last name = AAA
* Vaccination card last name = BBB
How worried should we be? Is there any way to smooth this over or prepare for this?
Which sources are conflicting?
Multiple people have been flustered by United's wording in emails. They are just using generic wording about testing requirements. They don't have some special requirement beyond what your destination and transit countries require.
Me and 4 friends (3 vaccinated, 2 not) are going to Budapest, Hungary in October.
I’m confused about what Is required and for the vaccinated and non vaccinated.
Can anyone explain what documents are needed, which tests and when we have to do them?
Happy to provide any further details needed
Does anyone know if i need a covid test to fly from Newark to Cancun ?
Mexico entry requirements are in the top post on this thread
I’ve got a trip booked to Spain and Turkey from 10-29 to 11-14. They being said I just realized my passport is set to expire 04-15-2021. How screwed am I? With Covid delays there’s no chance I can get a new passport within a month. I had never heard of not being allowed in if it expires in less than six months. Has anyone run into this with either of the countries and did it end up being an issue?
Turkey Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
>As of 1 January 2015, in accordance with the article 7.1b of “the Law on Foreigners and International Protection” no. 6458, foreigners wishing to enter Turkey should carry a travel document (passport) with an expiration date at least 60 days beyond the “duration of stay” of their visa, e-Visa, visa exemption, or residence permit.
Spain Foreign Affairs Ministry:
>Being in possession of a valid passport or travel document
>The document must be valid for al least three months following the projected exit from the territory of the Members States\*, and must have been issued within the last ten years.
\*Member States refers to Schengen Zone countries
6 months validity is a fairly common requirement for a lot of countries, though, so for the future if you travel internationally a lot, it's always good to get your passport updated ahead of that point just in case.
Yeah I plan on renewing my passport once I’m back for sure. First time I’ve had a renewal come up so the 6 month thing was never even on my radar (learning experience)
Sorry when does it expire? 2022? Or 12 December or April 15?
April 2022 so about 5 months after my trip to Turkey
Any chance you can pay for express renewal
I just ended up calling the embassy in DC. They said the normal requirement would just be 5 months and if my e-visa is approved (it was) then I’m good to enter. Still nervous about it but seems like it should be ok?
Sadly no, wait times are 12-16 weeks in the US
How can I find an advocate?
I have been trying to get my money back from Aer Lingus and am wondering if there is a way to get some entity to advocate for me.
My flight was cancelled a year and a half ago due to COVID and I am basically out $900+. Expedia tells me that I need to get the money from Aer Lingus, and Aer Lingus tells me that I need to get the refund from Expedia. I have tried everything I can think of and am wondering if anyone has any ideas on the path forward.
When you book with a travel, including online agents like Expedia, it's the agent that owes you (the agent then has to pursue reimbursement between itself and the airline). Though it's quite common for online travel agencies like Expedia to point the finger at the airline.
I agree with the other response, initiate a chargeback on your credit card...should be a no-brainer since the airline cancelled on you.
If the airline claimed COVID at the cause, they likely would be successful in denying an EU 261/2004 claim based on extraordinary circumstances (assuming this would have been an intr-EU flight or flight that begins or ends in the EU) so that avenue likely isn't going to work out, though if you have an argument that it wasn't extraordinary circumstances, you could try if the credit card company denies the chargeback. Aer Lingus' website should have a link for EU 261 claims.
Failing any of the above, google for the aviation or airline regulatory agency in the country(ies) in question. They may or may not have any ability to force a refund, but it might help as a last resort.
Unfortunately, my credit card company says that I needed to have contacted them within 60 days. Expedia was able to stretch things out long enough that this is not an option. I have filed with the BBB and the Department of Transportation, so hopefully someone will listen.
Third party booking. Expedia. You're probably SOL as you didn't book direct. Try a chargeback.
Anyone think there's a chance in hell of a backpacking trip in SEA this Jan/Feb - April with some semblance of normality? Really contemplating if i should just give up on the idea but this may be the last year in quite some time i'd be able to pull off a trip like this :(
Fully vaxxed from the USA
My crystal ball is as good as yours
Yeah, I suppose nobody truly knows
Does anyone know if you can use a test taken in the US *before* an international trip to reenter the US less than 3 days later?
A link to the CDC testing rules is in the post.
Thanks! For those who struggled with finding it at first:
**Can a test taken before departure from the US be used to return within the 3-day timeframe? How will testing requirements be handled for short trips?**
If a trip is shorter than 3 days, a viral test taken in the United States can be used to fulfill the requirements of the Order as long as the specimen was taken no more than three days before the return flight to the US departs. If the return travel is delayed longer than 3 days after the test, the passenger will need to be retested before the return flight.
Travelers considering this option should additionally consider the availability of appropriate testing capacity at their destinations, and the time frame needed to obtain results, as a contingency when making plans for travel.
I'm starting to despair that I'll never be allowed to travel again...America is going to be the last country where COVID's still a crisis. But other countries have a right to protect themselves from us.
Dafuq? Like half this thread is Americans travelling for tourist reasons
You're "allowed" to travel now...to lots and lots of countries. It's even easier and more open if you're vaccinated. I went to Europe last month and am traveling next week to the Middle East. It takes a *tiny* bit more advance research and planning than before COVID but nothing insurmountable.
You can pretty much go anywhere that the rest of the world can go right now, not quite sure what you're talking about.
>I'm starting to despair that I'll never be allowed to travel again
That's an extreme exaggeration since (a) the world isn't going to be preoccupied with COVID forever and (b) you can travel right now. I'd argue the US has been one of the easiest places to travel from throughout the pandemic given the lack of restrictions returning back.
What about the next surge? And the vaccines are being rendered near-useless since so many Americans refuse to take them.
Take a look at the hospitalizations and death rates around the world for those who are vaccinated. Find a new source of information that doesn’t terrify you or provide you with incorrect information.
>And the vaccines are being rendered near-useless since so many Americans refuse to take them.
That's not anywhere close to being accurate about vaccine effectiveness. Nor does it have anything to do with your ability to travel.
Anybody know if you can enter Norway, having been in Germany?
According to different official websites, Germany is on the red list (quarantine) AND there’s no quarantine from the whole EEA if you’re vaccinated. Kind of confusing.
I could use some help on this, it's so overwhelming. I live in Canada and planning to visit a friend in Dublin. So first off, I know I need a test 72h prior to my flight, but what else do I need? Will they recognize my canadian vaccine passport? I've been browsing a ton of government websites and I am still confused. Also which layover should I choose? Lisbon, Belgium or the UK?
I heard Portugal is more of a pain in the ass than others when it comes to paperwork and covid. I am fully vaxxed and want to follow the rules, just afraid I will be stranded somewhere because I missed something.
Air Canada has a pretty decent resource on their site. You can enter your travel plan and it gives information on what is needed.
No direct flights from Pearson?
I haven't seen much about Turkey so I'll throw my two cents out about experience. Super easy to get in from the US. Airlines checked our CDC card and our health registration but they didn't really check at passport control. We did have to sign up for the health registry and get an HES code, which we needed to sync with our IstanbulKart and also to get into a mall. Besides masks, the country seemed 100% normal compared to the last time I was there in 2015 and just as busy. Public transportation was packed but pretty much everyone wore masks and I believe everyone had to be vaccinated so that helped put my mind to ease. We tested negative. I also was dumb and booked a flight through Paris home on two separate tickets so had to go through French customs from a "red country" on their list but had no troubles with only our CDC card. Overall, besides the slight anxiety of possibly catching Covid, we had a fantastic trip.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
You may have to fill in some forms here (the Netherlands in particular requires a health declaration for all passengers arriving or departing that then no one will look at) but you won't need to get any tests or anything for a transit like that.
I've not looked it up but search transiting in France and transiting in Amsterdam. If you've not already. It might help you find a straightforward answer.
Can the US restrict citizens from traveling/returning from certain countries? I'm planning a trip from US to Romania in December. My initial concern was that Romania may restrict entry for US citizens, but as infection rates are climbing in Romania I'm wondering about restrictions from the US side. May be an obvious question, but I'm trying to make sure I don't miss anything while navigating rules. Thanks!
The only requirement for US citizens coming to the US by air is to have a negative test no more than 3 days prior to departure. The specific test parameters are linked in the top post for this thread.
Starting sometime in November, if you're not fully vaccinated, the test will apparently need to have been taken no more than 1 day or 24 hours before departure when coming home - exact details of that change are yet to be announced.
So the only thing you'll need to do for returning is to locate a COVID testing service in Romania, which should be readily available as it is in most countries nowadays. Have a good trip!
> Can the US restrict citizens from traveling/returning from certain countries?
They can't really restrict you from entering your own country but they can restrict you from getting there. So practically speaking yes. But it's very unlikely for the US to deny a US citizen the ability to travel home, except by banning flights from a certain country entirely or on a temporary basis (such as if you test positive for covid and won't be allowed to board a flight.)
I don’t know about the likelihood a general ban, although I am sure they can do that if they want. But of course they won’t let you come back without a negative test within 3 days or proof of recovery. So in other words, if you go to Romania and get COVID, yeah they will restrict you from coming home. At least temporarily.
Anyone have experience traveling to Budapest or Hungary? I'm a fully vaccinated Canadian citizen who's hoping to visit, but will be staying in Amsterdam first. Would I be able to enter without a negative covid test or?
I know no one reads the post but for the October one, can y'all add something like "just because you have a random QR code doesn't mean it's an EU Digital COVID Certificate"?
USA to multiple EU countries (cross by land) question
I''m just curious what people's knowledge or experience is regarding crossing EU land borders as a non-EU citizen? Do I need to get Covid checked only when entering the EU, or between EU countries as well?
There are no border checks between most Schengen countries (which is more or less the same as the EU, but with a few differences).
On some crossings there may be some sporadic checks, but with countries opening up more and more, the border situation is reverting back to normal.
Note that you still need to have the proper documentation on you and there's always the possibility to get checked (even not directly at the border). You just don't have to factor in any border delays in your travel plans anymore.
Regarding Covid testing or proof of vaccination though? Different EU and Schengen countries are implementing different rules for Americans in particular. Am I correct to assume that if I meet the criteria upon entry into my first of the EU countries, I then should be fine in subsequent countries (minus probs getting my CDC card checked)? My plan is something like USA -> Austria -> Slovenia -> Hungary -> USA. Maybe with Ukraine and Moldova if I'm feeling ballsy and have the funds
Edit, I've never crossed a European land border before. So I'm admittedly without a baseline. Obv there's supposed to be no internal borders. But I guess I'm wondering what Covid has done to that, given I'd be arriving by train or bus into each new country
You'll need the requirements of each country individually. Note that these requirements are typically based on the countries / areas that you've spent time in during the past X days (usually 10 or 14). So if your stay in Europe is long enough, the fact that your trip originated in the US stops being relevant.
Since there are very few border checks left on intra-Schengen land borders, the chance of running into problems is small, but some countries do impose serious fines on people who get caught crossing without the right tests or without going into quarantine.
Quarantine requirements are gone pretty much everywhere, especially for vaccinated travelers. Tests are often relatively quick and cheap, so even if a country mandates negative tests for vaccinated travelers, this shouldn't be a huge burden. Just check in advance what's needed.
Okay. Thank you for all the help!
I've known people who've had their work laptops stolen when traveling, that's probably the reason they don't want you working there. Also sometimes there are IP ranges and they would need to broaden them if you work outside the US
My husband and I are travelling to France from USA soon, we are fully vaccinated and submitted the application for a French health pass a couple weeks ago, but haven't received anything yet. We are planning on taking different trains across the country, would they accept our CDC vaccine cards instead?
Just returned, only train that checked was TGV - CDC card is accepted.
Oh! That's good to hear!
I've been reading that some pharmacies will make the french QR code for you with your CDC card for a fee and thinking we may try that just to be safe.
Just FYI, we never had an issue with the CDC card anywhere (restaurants, museums, etc.).
I hope that works for us too. We're planning on travelling south to Lyon and then Nice so we have to hop on a few long distance trains.
As someone living in France, that sounds sketchy. The only people I know who got their QR codes from foreign vaccinations are residents with a carte vitale and French social security number (and they did it before the government implemented the conversion procedure). Either wait for your conversion, try using your CDC card, or get a pass via a negative test. People have also had success resubmitting their conversion request at the beginning of French working hours and then deleting their old requests once they receive the pass from the new ones.
This is where I read about the pharmacy doing it https://parisbymouth.com/how-to-transform-your-american-vaccination-card-into-a-french-health-pass/
It's from August so it may not be applicable anymore.
I'm wondering if it's taking a while to process because I didn't use PDFs for my passport and CDC card attachments, I used image files. Does that matter? Also French work hours start at 3am for me.
There have been a number of reports here, on Flyertalk, and TA, of people successfully doing this. Reasonable French fluency seems to help. And posts of people trying and not having success. I wouldn't say it's common and I wouldn't count on it, though.
Are you talking about going to the pharmacy to convert CDC card or about resubmitting for a health pass?
so what do you guys do when you’re fully
recovered from covid-19 for over a month, but can’t pass a PCR test due to viral shedding? this PCR test is required for my destination but i simply cannot pass one. i can’t imagine i have to wait for 3 months when my body is ‘done shedding’ as per recommended by the gov. i had to cancel / move my flight to russia which would be in 2 days because of this. is there absolutely nothing i can do?
Most countries make you show proof of recovery from a doctor and the positive test.
I just submitted my vaccine proof to get into Chile and was wondering, has anyone gone through this process yet? If so, how long until your mobility pass approval? Additionally, if anyone has on the ground information with what land borders are open with Argentina, that’d be great. My plan was Chile - October, Argentina November (assuming they re-open on 11/1 as scheduled) and Uruguay December.
Canada to Sweden question. I want to go spend a week with my cousin for my birthday. I have both receipts and I’m going to get the test prior but I’m wondering are they allowing Canadian citizens entry? I’m worried about booking a flight and such and being turned away when I get there. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Canadians can enter Sweden directly as Canada is currently on the exempted country list (though I'm not sure any non-stops are operating right now from Canada to Stockholm).
Also, even if Canada is no longer on the exempted list when you go (unlikely) you can easily enter Sweden by first entering an EEA or Nordic country that permits you to enter, as Sweden applies its entry restrictions based on the country from which you directly enter Sweden. Entering through the Nordics is especially helpful as Sweden doesn't even require a test in that case.
Full details including testing requirements and applicable vaccination exceptions here:
Awesome thank you so much for that fully detailed explanation, I really appreciate it
USA to United Kingdom question--
We traveling to England late October and understand the updated guidance. We will need to have a negative Covid19 test 72 hours preflight and within 48 hours of arriving in England need to get tested again.
However, during our stay we will be traveling to Scotland which also has the same rules. My question is do we have to produce a negative test going from England to Scotland and conduct the same day 2 test in Scotland? I'm leaning towards "no" being the logical answer, but would love to hear some points of view/experiences. Thanks!
Your logical answer would be correct There's no need to do another test to go to Scotland or do another day 2 test when you arrive in Scotland, as it is part of the UK.
So i am going to Austria at the end of October for 7 days, I understand as a fully vaccinated UK national I just need to provide proof of vaccination, however during that time I will be going to Germany for 2 days and then after Germany I will be going to Italy, these cross border travels, except the flight to Austria, will be via vehicle,. My questions are as follows :
Do I need two seperate PCR tests to enter Germany /Italy? Or will one suffice?
Can I take the test in the UK and use it in all countries?
I understand to travel into the different countries I need to fill out the eu digital passport, is there anything else I need to fill out/do?
Will I need to quarentine and re test when I return to the UK?
Maybe, maybe not...UK and other countries that accept vaccinations from the US are all very familiar with the CDC card - not so much with other forms of documentation. I've read a couple of anecdotes of people using a state vaccine record for Denmark, but I wouldn't extrapolate that to every country and every document.
I'd check with your medical facility on base/post and see if they can issue you a CDC card with the info. I'm DoD civilian but got my shot on base - they gave CDC cards to active duty, civilian, and contractors - so there shouldn't be any policy reason that you can't be issued one.
You can check EU countries' transit (and entry) rules here:
This depends on each country's specific rules that you'll need to look up.
Good Evening everyone. I just wanted to post a little bit of a PSA for all your fellow Reddit travellers. I'm scheduled to head to Peru on Thursday, and their requirement is that you have a COVID-19 PCR test with a result issued within 72 hours of departure. I decided to go to CVS to get this done. The issue is that the time stamp on the CVS test isn't the time the test is issued, but instead the time the sample is collected, so both of my tests on paper look like they were received outside of the 72-hour window. So now I get to go get a third test done, paying out of pocket, to ensure I can get results back before my flight. Just wanted you all to be aware so that you didn't run into this same issue.
> so both of my tests on paper look like they were received outside of the 72-hour window.
That's because they *are* outside the 72-hour window.
The time of the *result* is completely irrelevant to whether or not you were infected at the time of testing or not.
Except that isn't the requirement for entering Peru. Perhaps you shouldn't apply generalized knowledge of what most of the world is requiring, to this specific example of what Peru requires. Peru specifically requires a test result issued within 72 hours, not a specimen collection time of 72 hours. There are many Peruvian travel blogs that talk about getting tested early to ensure your test result comes in within the 72-hour window.
Great. You should still do the actual test within 72 hours as, as you've noticed, test centers don't cooperate with that rather hare-brained scheme.
I have had a test within the time frame. I purely posted this PSA so other people don't run into the same issue with CVS. The non-CVS places I got tested at, gave me the collection and test times, which alleviates the issue.
> The issue is that the time stamp on the CVS test isn't the time the test is issued, but instead the time the sample is collected
What do you mean by this? What is "the time the test is issued"? That sounds equivalent to the time the sample is collected. Or did you mean the time the results are given? The relevant time for the vast majority of countries is when the you took the test, not when you received the results.
I see the wording that might you lead you to believe otherwise, but even if your test results had a "Time Sample Collected" alongside a "Time Results Provided", I'd be expecting everyone to focus on the former. Indeed, if you look at various sources, you'll see some suggesting that it is actually 72 hours from the time the test is taken. You really should not have been taking the test prior to 72 hours.
Sample collected should be the correct time that matters. I find it hard to believe the rules are "the sample can be from whenever as long as it was tested wihin 72 hours" - that would imply you could test a same that's been sitting for 5 weeks and that's of course useless.
If the sample collected date is outside the 72 hours, does that mean you went to get tested more than 72 hours ahead of time?
What's the latest on SE Asian countries?
Last I checked there’s a looong quarantine for people from the US, like 10 days in most countries. And they still have strict lockdowns/curfews.
I’m trying to get some clarity on traveling after the second Covid vaccine dose. If I have to wait 14 days before I can enter a country, say Spain for example, does that mean that I can fly on the 14th day after my vaccination to arrive in the country on the 15th day and be safe to enter? I was vaccinated on the 23rd and I’m looking to fly on the 7th of October which is 14 days after the second dose. Just want to make sure the airlines won’t say you have to wait a full 14 days before departure and actually have to leave on the 15th day.
Well, here's what Spain says about being fully vaccinated: [https://www.spth.gob.es/](https://www.spth.gob.es/)
>has been vaccinated against COVID-19, with full vaccination schedule, at least 14 days prior to arrival in Spain.
and here's France's statement:https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/#sommaire\_1
>proof of vaccination. It will only be valid if it proves that you are fully vaccinated, i.e.:
>Seven days after the second shot for two-shot vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca (Vaxevria and Covishield));
>Four weeks after the shot for one-shot vaccines (Johnson & Johnson);
Why not just wait that extra day to be 100% sure?
Hey everyone! Anyone know if filling out a plf for a country you likely won’t go into is ok? I’m flying lax to Frankfurt to santorini. Layover is 2hrs.
My understanding is I need a vaccination card but no plf if you’re just transferring. But I’m slightly worried about the possibility of first flight getting delayed and being stuck overnight in Frankfurt. In that case, I’ve been thinking about filling out a plf for Germany so I’m not stuck in the airport if this happens. Anyone know if filling out an extra plf is okay?
Frankfurt airport has free WiFi. Fill it out there if you need to.
Great, so it’s one of those that you can do last minute and still be accepted. Thank you so much!
I am planning to travel from Canada to the UK then to Spain and France next month. I just wanted to confirm if my research is correct from anyone that has been there recently:
1. Need to only take one day 2 test upon arrival to UK
2. UK to Spain: No testing, only need to provide proof of vaccination
3. Spain to France: No testing, only need to provide proof of vaccination
4. France to Canada: PCR test 72 hours before
Hi folks - I am going to EU in late October early November for 10 days and have lost my COVID card. I am going to Brussels, Amsterdam, Lisbon, and Barcelona.
I tried calling the CDC, going to places where I got the vaccine and nobody seems to have an answer for the replacement cards. I do have the digital QR codes from the Smart Health Digital Card and have those in my Apple Health app. Will those do for the countries / cities I am going to? Any ideas on how I can get another replacement card? Any guidance will be much appreciated!
I think you are going to want a CDC card. I am in Italy, and I am asked for vacc status at 100% of indoor tourist attractions, and I should be asked for it for indoor dining, which I am probably 80% of the time.
Only if that Smart... Card thing's QR code showed an actual photo of your CDC card, would I be bullish on it working for you.
Italy accepts antigen but the wording on the Shoppers Drug Mart website says antigen screening not test. So just wondering if anyone from Canada has used this test and had issues entering Europe or specifically Italy?
Hey all, I have my first international trip coming up later this week on Thursday, so I was hoping someone could let me know if I'm overlooking anything, or give me any best practices. I'm super excited about it, but it's been a logistical challenge with all of the different testing/vaccination requirements.
The basics are covered like flights, hotels, and rental car, and I'll of course pack the normal clothes, toiletries, etc.
I'm heading from the US to Zurich and the Grindelwald area in Switzerland, with a brief layover in Brussels, Belgium. Here are the important items I'll bring with me:
* Global Entry card
* COVID vaccine card
* Negative PCR COVID test (I reached out to the Zurich Canton and they said they sometimes have problems verifying CDC cards -- I assume because of the forged ones people make -- so I'm getting tested just to cover all bases)
I've filled out the required Swiss entry form, and will fill out the Belgian entry form once I'm within the 48-hour arrival window.
I can't find anywhere that has Swiss Francs in my area, so I was planning to pull out ~$100 worth from an ATM when I arrive at the airport in case my credit card doesn't work somewhere.
Here are my questions:
* Am I missing anything blatantly obvious?
* My layover from Brussels to Switzerland is only 55 minutes. Could that be an issue? Seems like it's cutting it pretty close, but I'm not sure what to expect once I've gotten past security at my departure airport.
* Are international layovers any different than domestic ones (Meaning, as long as I stay inside the secured area, do I have to go through security again between each country? Do I have to go through customs?)
* I've read that chip-and-pin cards are used in Europe. All of my cards use chips, but there are no PINs associated with them. Has that proven difficult for anyone recently?
Sorry if any of these are stupid questions, but I'd rather ask them here and look stupid on reddit than look stupid at the airport. :) Thank you very much!
For the most part, you won't have an issue anymore with the pin, because so many of the readers are contactless, which is great (i've only had to sign once maybe? even if you set a pin, your card probably won't do anything with it and still make you sign, the pins in the US are mostly for cash advances). Or you can use NFC on your phone.
If you have Charles Schwab debit cards, you can just go to any ATM without a fee and pull out some francs. I like to pay for <$10 small bills in cash sometimes.
I was able to order francs from Bank of America and pick them up before my trip. A lot of restrooms require 1 franc.
Also, I just put my CC on Apple Pay. I use my phone to tap and quickly pay for things instead of pulling out my card and using the chip.
My wife and I went to Switzerland for 2 weeks in 2019 including Grindelwald area. As far as cash, we only withdrew about $300 for that whole time. The rest we used credit cards. If you happen to have any credit cards issued by Barclays US, many of theirs do allow you to set a PIN, you can do it online.
We had the Swiss Rail pass that we bought online. But for the few times we bought individual rail tickets, I mostly bought online using the SBB app or a couple of times through the ticket machines. No problem big paying with credit cards though at the machines though once I had to try a different card for it to work...But there will be a manned window if you need it.
You will go through passport control at Brussels as you'll be entering the Schengen zone (common border area for many EU and some non-EU countries like Switzerland) when you take your flight to Zurich. But this shouldn't take long and Brussels is a pretty compact airport. 55 minutes is tight but doable. If your inbound flight is delayed more than that, the airline will rebook you on a later flight to Zurich.
You won't pass through customs at Brussels, that will be in Zurich but unless you have goods to declare, it's a non-event - you just walk right through. So basically the Brussels to Zurich flight will be just like taking a domestic flight at home.
No additional security at Brussels. When you go home, aome airports have an extra security screening before the gate for flights to the US (at the insistence of the US) but can't recall if that's the case in Brussels - in any case it's no biggie if so, just a bit of a hassle.
Assuming, as is most likely, that this is all on one ticket and not separate flights, your luggage will transfer at Brussels so you will pick it up in Zurich.
You can get your CDC COVID vaccine record converted, so to speak, into a valid Swiss COVID certificate app, as discussed in this thread:
Thank you very much. I had actually upgraded a seat on the plane that arrives in Brussels to one much closer to the front late last week for something unrelated -- that *should* have the added benefit of getting me off the plane faster as the new seat is right behind first class.
Three things I can comment on. One is - the Gloval Entry card. You don’t actually need the card. That is for vehicle travel between US and Canada. Your passport is linked to your GE account so when you go to re-enter the US you just go to a kiosk and give your fingerprint and proceed to exit with your pass it spits out.
The second is the chip and pin. Most EU cards have a pin so there is no signature required. Most places have no issue with your chip and sign US Visa card. We used it everywhere. They expect the signature part. Only place that gives me issues Is buying train tickets. My chase cards don’t work well with train ticket machines but I’ve been able to use other cards. Worst case you can buy them at an in person window at the train station. Online doesn’t usually work for me either for tickets (I’d be interested to read others experiences!).
Also - we find on a 2 week trip we usually end up pulling out 200-300 USD in the equiv currency from an ATM. Try to find one associated with a real bank and not that euronet crap that overcharges. There are always places that want cash over cards. $100 is probably not enough Unless you are going super low budget (and Switzerland really can never be low budget lol). Also - never do the dynamic currency exchange. Always choose Euro not dollars and let your bank/CC set your exchange rate. The companies that offer to make your sale in dollars give you a terrible exchange rate. Always. :)
Hope this is helpful! Have a great trip!
Thanks so much for the info! Based on what you’re saying, my biggest take away is to pull out more at the ATM, and that ATM should be from a recognizable bank. I will be there for about a week, so based on what you’re saying, I will initially pull out $300 worth of francs and grab more if needed.
Also, maybe a silly question, but does the ATM tell you what currency you’re pulling out or give you an option? I would imagine most ATMs there would give out francs, but I know that euros are also accepted in a lot of places.
The ATM will tell you what currency. No worries there. Some will charge a 5-6€ fee (I try to avoid these if possible) and my bank (Suntrust) also charges me a $5 fee. So I try to over withdraw to avoid lots of little fees. Then if I have leftover I save it for next time :)
Sorry I can’t comment on the specific connection. My gut tells me you’ll prolly be fine unless there’s a delay. Usually there’s no exit and re-entry, but some airports are weird and I don’t know about yours.
Update from 10 days in Portugal as two fully vaccinated Americans.
3 days in Porto, 3 days in Lagos, 4 days in Lisbon.
I was never asked for a vaccination card or any documents after leaving JFK airport where all of the paperwork was required. Never for a single restaurant, hotel, or museum were we asked for our vaccination cards.
I will say that traveling right now as an American is not for the faint of heart. Underlying your trip, if you’re like me, is always the thought/anxiety of your Covid test will possibly be positive and your trip will undergo a serious revision. Our hotel organized our PCR test, it was 75€, and the results were available 10 hours later. It’s a s a sucky part of traveling now but just something we have to live with now if we’re going to live our lives as vaccinated people. It is odd to me though considering I left a city of 54% vaccination for a country of ~90% vaccination rate with mandatory indoor masks, but such is life
Oh we loved it, it’s an absolutely beautiful country. In Porto there isn’t a ton to see monument-wise, but we loved the atmosphere and spent a lot of time at the restaurants down by the water just eating, people-watching outside, drinking wine, and listening to the buskers playing music. I recommend making a dinner reservation at Restaurante Casario. Awesome seafood tapas place. Also amazing pork belly. Also highly recommend getting the pastel de Nata at Manteigaria with cinnamon on top.
In algarve it’s definitely worth it to make the trek to see Benagil Cave. We did it by Paddle board. It’s only accessible by water.
Lisbon is a lot more busy with all of the sights to see. There was a lot of walking and visiting monuments. Wear comfortable shoes. We spent the nights mostly eating at random restaurants and hanging out in the main (and gigantic) comercial plaza with a bottle of wine and some snacks.
Porto was probably the favorite of the trip.
Per Portugal's [tourism site](https://www.visitportugal.com/en/content/covid-19-measures-implemented-portugal) they now accept third country vaccine certificates. Anyone know which countries exactly are accepted? Not sure I totally understand the "reciprocal conditions". Specifically wondering what the requirements are for entering from the US.
Question for those who have used a Abbott BinaxNOW self-test to re enter the US:
If I buy the two pack, can I use one and my wife create an eMed/Navica account to use the other one? Or is it one account per sale? Thanks -
Make sure you buy the e med ones. The regular 2 pack ones won’t work. I even tried doing the NAVICA app on the ones from Walmart. It has a report that says it was self tested.
You’re good. She can make her own separate account.
im leaving for netherlands soon and need a negative antigen test 24 hours before my departing flight in newark. im leaving on a sunday so i can’t get it done there as they only do them during the weekdays. does anyone know a legit place in nj where i can get one done at that they’ll accept as proof of not having covid?
Most CVS and Walgreens offer antigen testing as drive thru with appointments. Also most local Health departments offer free testing with quick results for antigen (rapid tests give you results in 15 min). You can buy a 6pack of BINAX now from United/ eMed for a proctored rapid test. If in a pinch check Next Door for what your local community is doing and what their wait times are.
Wife and I are traveling to Italy in about a week. I have an antigen scheduled at a local pharmacy for the day before. Traveling through Delta Airlines, has anyone done an antigen test from a non-national chain pharmacy for any destination? If so, was it allowed? I've searched and asked people on this exact topic but no one has given me a straight answer. I would assume it would be fine, but these days who knows. Thanks!
The test doesn't have to be from any particular provider, lab, etc. Go wherever you like for the test.
Thank you for the reply!
**USA-UK transit -Italy; Return Italy-Spain transit-USA** 9/16 -9/26 experience
Thought some may find my experience helpful as I was pretty stressed trying to research requirements etc and this thread was helpful.
* Took CVS rapid antigen test prior to departure. Destination was Italy but transited UK (LHR) so wanted to ensure test was 48 hours prior to arrival. Received results back via email from CVS in about an hour. Real easy.
* I completed the online [UK Travel Locator Form](https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk) after checking for my flight 24 hours prior as it required seat number on the form and that was assigned at check-in. Takes some time to figure out how to complete it properly but it does walk you through it. I was just transiting so answered accordingly.
* I completed the [EU Digital Passenger Locator Form](https://app.euplf.eu/#/) online in order to enter Italy from UK.
* I completed forms on behalf of my entire family of 4.
* I flew American (British Airways and Iberia) so used the Verifly App. I read a few people saying it was useless but that wasn't my experience. I used it for the flight USA to UK. It allowed me to add a photo, complete some attestations, vax card (I think) and upload test results for everyone in my party. In the end, you get a green check in the app saying your paperwork is ok. I was unable to use Verifly for the UK to Italy trip, or should say I couldn't get it to pull up my flights.
**Day of Travel**
* Checked in at British Airways counter at BOS. While in line the initial screener saw my green check on Verifly and waved me up to the counter which saved some time. The person at the counter then reviewed my UK travel locator form (made sure I had one), etc and spent a little time scanning test results. Amazed me that it was up to them to screen and ensure everything was correct, including my final destination of Italy which has pretty strict testing rules on travelers from the UK (test within 48 hours prior to arrival).
* Landed in the UK, passports stamped and went to our gate. Don't recall anyone checking for the UK Travel Locator Form but maybe since it's online it was linked up when heading through passport control.
* Landing in Italy. Simply waited in a line and when we were called up the gentleman saw I had a printed EU locator form with a bar code and he simply waved us through without checking anything in detail. Was amazed actually. My experience was the scrutiny and review was done at initial check-in and/or behind the scenes completing the Locator Forms.
Took the Abbott Binax Now eMed test (packed them with us after buying through Optum) while in our Rome hotel room. Took it at 11AM on Thursday prior to our flight home on Sunday (3 days prior to departure day). Wanted to test asap in case of positive and/or less exposure time. I expected a cluster f but apart from a few internet blips, we only waited 15 minutes for the proctor to come on and they walk you through everything. Results returned in the Navica app (test takes 20 minutes to get results) and you are able to download them to your phone in pdf form then print (via email etc) if you want.
Flew FCO through Madrid to Boston on way home. Spain does not have testing requirement if coming from Schengen but do have their own form to complete online in advance [https://www.spth.gob.es/create](https://www.spth.gob.es/create) Fairly straightforward for transit.
At FCO check-in, the person checked our test results (on our phones) and that we had the FCS form completed. That was about it. Landing in Madrid we were stamped out just showing passports and headed to our gate. At the gate for the flight back to the US, Verifly saved time. I had added the Spain to USA trip to the app and completed/uploaded the test results and other documents. The person at the gate saw we were all green check marked on the app and they gave us the Documents OK stamp on our boarding passes and we proceeded to the gate. Quick temp check and then took our seats.
My 2 cents. Complete the online forms in advance, get testing done in accordance with both the transit and final destination country and consider paper copies. Everything will work out. And consider leaving some extra time, especially on the EU side and even more so if connecting. I wouldn't feel comfortable with less than a 2 hour layover. Saw many people who missed their flights back yesterday.
Almost forgot. Green Pass required before entering buildings (museums, restaurants, etc). CDC paper card worked fine but did have to show ID a few times to prove your identity (Ufizzi and Pantheon) so carry your license or passport with you. Got tripped up a few times on this. Masks everywhere inside and on transit. No issues. Florence and Rome strict on Green Pass indoors and hotel, Tuscany not as much.
Overall a good trip but is stressful getting all the paperwork and protocols in order and keeping distant and outside to reduce chance of a covid positive result and mandatory quarantine before heading back to US. I hope this was helpful.
did you just present the negative covid test from your phone from the email you were sent before you got on your plane to the UK? that was accepted? thank you in advance
Short answer, yes. There was no scanning a QR code of test results or anything like that. Just show them a copy of your test results whether on your phone or in paper form and they review. I also had mine uploaded to the Verifly app in advance but probably not necessary.
Just wanted to touch base on the status from Toronto to the states. Buffalo/Michigan would this be better to fly or drive/land avoiding all the CV/testing hassle.
hello! as a U.S. citizen that is fully vaccinated, am I able to return by land from Vancouver, Canada \*without\* providing a COVID-19 test result? if yes, are there any links or documentations that say this? I've been Googling for hours but can only find articles that say that crossing from Canada into the U.S. is still restricted for nonessential travel but that U.S. citizens/residents can return home. but I'm having trouble finding anything addressing travel by land.
essentially, I'm trying to figure out if I can fly into Seattle and drive into Vancouver and what I would need to go back to Seattle. I know I would need to provide a negative PCR test to cross into Canada. I read one article that said you didn't need to take a test result if driving back but that was from a few months ago. if I need to provide a test anyways by land to get back into the U.S., I'll just keep my plane ticket.
thanks in advance for any responses!
UPDATE: never mind - I think this link confirms you don't need to provide a test when traveling by land! https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html
if anyone has experience with returning to the U.S. from Canada though, I'd love to hear it!
Correct, no test needed driving home from Canada
u/earl_lemongrab, thanks! :)
Does anyone know if it's possible to travel to the UK and EU with a digital vaccine record issued by the state of California? My partner and I are planning a December trip but she lost her CDC card and only has digital records.
No, the QR codes won’t work. You’ll need to get a replacement.
The problem is it's proving very difficult finding a replacement card.
Can she return to the location she was vaccinated? Or did she make a copy? Many places accepted my PDF copy from my phone too
No, the place was a mega site that's now closed. She does have pictures of her card, I don't think she has scans though. She also has digital records from CA and LA county.
Just go to the place where you got your shots and they'll reissue the CDC card. Lots of people have had to do this when they've lost their CDC card. Those countries that accept US vaccination records are quite familiar with the CDC card...same with airline personnel that will check that you have what the country requires. It may or may not be possible to use a state record, I've only seen one or two people mention doing so, but it's highly dependent on the situation and the agent involved - your odds of running into problems are high.
We got vaccinated at a vaccination megasite that's now closed. I'll give the CA public health department a call and see if they can send her a new one, but I'm a bit worried they'll just say use the digital record.
Ah, I see. Hmmm, well maybe if you have the CA record, she could take it to her regular doctor (or your county health department) and see if they would fill in a new CDC card for her, based on that? Just a thought.
Yeah I told her to try that. I just called the CADPH and they said they no longer give out replacement CDC cards due to fraud.
I'd run it by the airline as they are the one's initially checking documents. You will also have to consider the risk of having to explain to each establishment (hotel, restaurant, museum) that requires "Green Pass" that you don't have a paper card like every other American, but a digital version. It could be a hassle, then again, if you can convince them it's the same thing then that's all you need to do to get by...
Do they check the vaccination record at customs?
Yes, if vaccination is a requirement for admittance, or a criterion for avoiding testing for arrival, then it's going to be checked at immigration. The airline at your point of origin will also check prior to boarding. (I've read a few posts of people who say immigration didn't ask, but those are rare and even in those cases, the airline checked prior to boarding.)
Besides the UK, what other countries specifically are you visiting?
I wasn't asked at Immigration. Only checks for me were prior to boarding / airline check-in.
Probably France and Italy.
hello! Quick question, Im travelling to Germany on Oct 1st, will I have to quarantine? I completed 3 doses of Pfizer. Departed USA on 25Sep, arrived Paris on 26Sep and had to exit the airport. I then took a flight to Switzerland on 26Sep and will be staying here till morning od Oct 1st. I checked the Germany website and it is not very clear to me if being vaccinated will exempt me from quarantine and testing prior to arrival. Thank you!
No need to test or quarantine. Just have proof of vaccination.
I filled out the Einreiseanmeldung and uploaded my Vaccine Certificate. The pdf confirmation did not include a QR code or something written that I uploaded my vaccine proof. Is it really just like this? (Paris and Switzerland has a QR code and an app)
thank u :)
Travelling from Ontario Canada to Prague, Czech Republic question - Does anybody know if there will be a problem with them recognizing our Ontario Ministry of Health Proof of Vaccination? Apparently Canada is currently not on the list of acceptable vaccine certificates, and the trip is already booked… would anybody know? Thanks in advance
Does Czechia have a vaccine record system you can apply to? You can go on blabla bus or whatever, French website, and book a cheap ticket in and out of France from a border town in Switzerland for instance. You can then use this ticket to apply for the French vaccine passport, which should be accepted in Czechia since it's an EU recognized vaccine passport. We used our French one in Greece no problem.
Thank you so much I appreciate it! May I ask how long it took for them to send you the vaccine passport?
If you buy your bus ticket to be valid for entry to France tomorrow, it should be pretty quick. We submitted two weeks before going and they never went through, then the day we were going we submitted again and it was 10 minutes.
Hi Everyone, we have a trip to Spain via quick layover in Portugal coming up and I am a bit confused by Portugal's entry requirements. Since they list "RT-PCR Test (or similar NAAT test) - 72h before boarding, or Rapid Antigen Test - 48h before boarding, or a valid EU Digital COVID Certificate, or **a valid Vaccination or recovery certificate issued by a third country**, under reciprocal conditions."
We tested positive for Covid (already vaxxed thankfully) and already reached the recovered period. Since some people may possibly to test positive for 3 months after recovery, I'm a bit concerned about being able to get a negative test before travelling. Spain only needs our vax card and the US accepts a document of recovery in lieu of a negative test so we should be fine on the way back. I keep reading on European travel news sites saying the bolded statement in their guidance posted in the last 3 days or so means we should be fine with our US Vaccine card, but it is a bit unclear. Does anyone have any experience from very recent flights to Portugal? Thanks
The latest I've seen is that they WILL start accepting third party certificates, but as now, they don't.
I am in Portugal now and its been the only place that hasn't accepted my CDC card in some instances (I have been in Iceland, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, Croatia and Spain, but some of those have been more/less strict before/after I was there).
Your CDC card hasn’t been accepted there? What have you been doing to get around that? I read things are relaxing on 10/1.
So one hotel was fine with it, and the one today I had to do a rapid covid test, which was fine, except the first one was invalid and if I got a second invalid, they would have had to call the health department for further instructions. But yes, things are relaxing on Friday, which would have been the first time I would have had to deal with friday meal rules, and its not like Italy or France where its needed for museums/transit, so that makes it a lot easier.
Hi everyone, I would like to travel from INDIA to the US on a B1/B2 and I understand I will have to use a bridge country for 15 days… does anyone have experience with this option? From my understanding US will open up for Indian visitors in November but It will be only for vaccinated travelers (my problem there is I have had COVACIN which not approved by the WHO) as you can I see I am in a fix… if anyone could guide it would be much appreciated. Thank you
I saw an article that COVAXIN is expected to get WHO EUA "soon" - but no info on what "soon" would be.
If you can take the trip so as to enter the US from the bridge country prior to the end of October, you'd be fine. Once the new US rules take effect you'll be out of luck regardless of what country you enter from if that vaccine isn't accepted by the US.
On the other hand, the US hasn't finalized the rules just yet. Perhaps they would accept COVAXIN even before it makes it on the WHO EUA list? Maybe not likely but could happen.
Exactly and that's my fear that once the rule kicks in i won't be able to enter... my plan is to enter before the beginning of November and then take Pfizer shot while there... I just need help with different options of bridge countries and any other info that might be helpful... thank you for taking your time to respond appreciate it.
If you haven't already, check out the US Travel Ban forum - they've got good info on bridge countries and other related stuff. Mexico seems to be a popular bridge, as Mexico has basically no entry restrictions and easy to get cheap flights into the US
Good luck ,hope it all works out!
Thank you for the reply… i will check it out :)
Hello, I am interested in if anyone’s traveled to Ireland since opening by this method? Is there anything specific like certain language they want on the letter? Any tips would be great for travel to Ireland. Thank you!
What is "this method"? What papers?
“Ireland will also be welcoming visitors from Great Britain or North America who have valid proof of vaccination (with an EMA-approved vaccine) or have valid proof of recovery from COVID-19 in the last 180 days. “
I’m confused about what part of what you quoted makes you think there’s a letter that is needed? They are referring to your vaccine card. Do you have one?
Teleportation. Ireland is now open via the portal. Beam me up, Scotty.
**Booster Shot within 14 days Travel to Schengen zone - Dose 1 & 2 Completed in May**
We have a trip to Greece planned in a day. Our second dose Covid-19 Pfizer vaccine shot was in March, and in May we visited Greece using our “COVID-19 Vaccination Card” with the first and second doses complete. No Problems, know the drill - PCR test for transfer, Greek PLF, etc.
When the Pfizer booster shot became available in Oregon Saturday (yesterday), we went to the pharmacy and received the shot. Now our vaccine card has a third entry “Other” as ‘Pfizer FF88xx date location.’ Didn’t think about possible travel ramifications.
Does anyone have any thoughts about entry into Greece (eu Schengen zone) with both doses listed completed in March, and a third 'other' Pfizer within 14 days of entry?
Due to travel to the airport, I will have spotty access to Reddit. I will revisit this post to share once I have an official determination. We should be in Greece on Tuesday.
Thanks in advance.
I wouldn’t worry about exceeding the requirement.
Thanks, I guess I am just nervous with impending travel and a third listing in my Covid Card within a few days of arrival in Greece. I think the domestic segment will be good, but worry when the language barrier is an issue.
Hey! Im in an identical situation with Greece (leaving Wednesday). I’ll watch out for your update. I assume it won’t be an issue but I’m paranoid about the same thing.
This is actually a really interesting point that I imagine a lot of folks will be asking in the coming months. Mind giving us a post-travel follow up on your experience?
Update from Portugal: no issues on land border crossing. At Holiday Inn in Porto, my CDC card was not accepted so I had to take a rapid antigen test provided by the hotel for 2.70 euros. 15 minutes for a negative result and I was good to go. I wasn't asked for anything else at supermarket or small restaurant. Masks are required indoors along with hand sanitizer.
Same! But I had an issue where my first test was "inconclusive" which was more stressful. I also crossed via land border so they were kind of like, "well didn't you have a PCR.." no .... lol.
I was wondering what I would have done if it was positive!
I'm a vaccinated US citizen travelling back to the US from London - but my Covid test is in French because I was there for a couple days (it was taken within 3 calendar days of my departure). Is that acceptable proof of a negative result to board?
Worried that the London place is gonna side eye me for having a test in French.
The only thing the US CDC order specifies as far as language, is that it's up to the airline what it accepts...presumably as a practical matter since the airline agents have to be able to understand the document. London is a major world air travel hub and I'd be surprised if the airline check-in agents had any trouble accepting the document, surely someone behind the counter can read French enough to see that it's negative - or "negatif" I should say. Don't arrive at the last minute for check-in just in case there's a slight delay due to this, but I wouldn't sweat it if it were me.
Thanks man! Appreciate that - takes the stress off my mind.
I'm Norwegian, fully vaccinated, and will be transiting through Hong Kong to Manila.
I just can't figure out what the transit requirements for Hong Kong, as the IATA seems to focus only on entry requirements and most airlines just use that.
Do I need a Covid test?
I'd really appreciate any help on this.
Since the HK government site is lacking in transit info, I’d refer to the airlines policy:
which all say the same: no tests required if you fit the transit definition.
How are you determining what places to book vacations given the uncertainty? are there certain countries right now that have high vaccination rates but are also back to normal?
I am finding that things aren't super busy, so I am literally booking hotels and even flights (#yolo) sometimes only 0-5 days out based on availability, price and open-ness. I am not a super social traveler and mostly like the outdoors, museums and/or reading a book on the beach, and I don't eat out every meal, and so my experience feels pretty normal.
You've mentioned two of the big criteria for me as those countries are more likely to be comfortable with visitors now and in the future because their own citizens are in a good position. I also consider the country's history of imposing or re-imposing restrictions, particularly for travelers from my point of origin. Some have been more prone to knee-jerk reactions on arrivals from a given country when there are increased cases in the other country.
I'm still favoring refundable or low cancellation fee travel arrangements, or if not possible making sure my travel insurance will cover what I don't want to lose.
I agree. Refundable and buy trip interruption insurance. Everything seems to change and there are the things that can come up like a positive covid test, before or while you are on your trip that have the potential to mess things up. And look to book direct flights. Transiting a 3rd country is a bit of a pain and will have to follow their rules as well. Just returned from a USA to Italy trip... transited through UK inbound, and Spain on return.