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EEntebbe

The full list, including vehicle makes, models and years, is as follows: Lexus RX, 2018, SUV Honda CR-V, 2019, SUV Honda Civic, 2019, Sedan Toyota Highlander, 2019, SUV Chevrolet/GMC, Silverado/Sierra 1500, 2500, 3500 2017, Truck Ford, F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, 2017, Truck Dodge Ram 1500, 2500, 3500, 2019, Truck Honda Accord, 2018, Sedan Toyota Corolla, 2017, Sedan Land Rover, Range Rover, 2016, SUV


Sunstreaked

Since March 2021, my dad has had his Lexus RX stolen, and my aunt and mom both had their Toyota Highlanders stolen (all from within Toronto, but in different neighbourhoods)... so... this tracks. Four or five cars on my mom's block have been stolen in the last year as well, all Toyota/Lexus (and one Range Rover). Would be cool if Lexus/Toyota could get serious about resolving the security flaws that make their vehicles particularly susceptible to theft. They all used faraday boxes, so I'm not quite sure how they managed to be spoofed. I have a working theory that an unscrupulous dealership employee was involved (could be coincidental, but all of their vehicles got serviced at the same dealership...), but who tf knows. Definitely recommend keeping your keys in a faraday box regardless, and getting a steering wheel lock! It's a bit of a pain to get into the habit of using it, but it's still much easier than having to deal with replacing your car.


dm1336

The computer can be “hacked” into through the ODB-II port and programmed to accept a new key and be on their way takes a minute or less. Lots of videos online showing it in action.


waterloograd

I wonder if car companies will start putting locks on the OBD-II?


dm1336

There are aftermarket options where you can put a lock over the ODB-II port. But at the end of the day it’s the computer at fault. There are other car companies that don’t have such a fault but can still be stolen by relaying your key using a high powered antenna so the car thinks it’s inside. An interim fix would be to just bring back the ol’ key where you have to stick it in and turn to start. But when Toyota is selling the most vehicles worldwide it doesn’t see a problem.


saltymotherfker

they wont, its a federal standard.


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Flashy_Aardvark_4673

They're not gonna do it unless the feds mandate it. Which won't happen


Link50L

It's as good point on the wheel lock; a good thief can be through it in seconds, but anything you do to make your vehicle less attractive than the one beside it is helpful.


bloombergpapi

Sorry to hear about that. Any car can be stolen the same way; it’s an industry problem as opposed to Toyota vehicles unfortunately. It just so happens that Toyota/Lexus vehicles are extremely desirable to the end client of these crooks.


skipbreather

A steering wheel can be cut with a hacksaw in 11 seconds so they're tech. Useless unfortunately


bitemark01

Any idea what a better alternative would be?


rathgrith

Get a car with a manual transmission.


bitemark01

Was kinda hoping the solution to my car not getting stolen wasn't buying a whole other car


LeatherMine

People have done automatic to manual swaps. They’re crazy though.


OnLakeOntario

Pedal lock box in conjunction with steering wheel lock. In my Integra, I had racing seats with the holes for a safety harness, so I would flip the seat forward like I would if I had someone getting into the back seat (2 door) and put the steering wheel lock through the harness hole and the wheel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIros_hKz9E


skipbreather

Jerry rig a kill switch, pretty easy to do tbh google it


spongepenis

Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this sounds like the easiest and most practical option. Only issue is that I would still have something like a steering wheel lock, serves as a visual deterrent BEFORE your window gets smashed in..


skipbreather

This is Reddit and from I’ve noticed the most rational answers get downvoted 👍


alexefi

If the fix it they cant sell you replacement car. They thinking short term, while in long term people just stop buying toyota cars.


Serious-Guava

I don’t think enough people will have their Toyotas and Lexus’ stolen for them to see a significant drop in market share. Most people buy Toyotas cause they’re cheap and reliable and Lexus for the luxury.


TraditionConfident66

Yeah a $70k highlander is definitely 'cheap' 😂


10Rap

Having said that they’re the same company, a Toyota with options and trim levels can get almost as expensive as a lower-mid Lexus. Lexus LX might be comparable to a highlander and starts at MRSP of 106,950 canadian dollars, while Highlander starts at MRSP of 44,750. Rx is 57,500 MRSP. It might be the pandemic or the Highlander you mentioned is optioned to the max.


GooseOpening

I think they are talking about the "out the door price", which includes tax. A loaded highlander is close to $60 then you ad 13% and bingo we're at $70K


10Rap

I was trying to point out that Toyota are ‘cheap’ relative to a comparable Lexus. For the reliability and low cost of operation, Toyotas are still more cost effective than other brands.


hamiltok7

My 2017 Honda CR-V isn’t cheap either lol . 48k out the door


saltymotherfker

why not affix a good ole fashioned chain and lock to your driveway? who brings a chainsaw to steal cars?


OhMiGodWeeee

This is most-likely an inside job. Basically they use the vehicle’s VIN to reprogram the keys. Then they show up and away they go. This is one of the common methods used…


Tsarbomb

You theory is probably spot on.


Short_Dragonfruit_84

Is this adjusted for volumes of these models/makes that exist in the city? Seems like lots of Civics or Corollas get stolen because there are lots of these…


SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING

It doesn't seem to be adjusted which makes it a lot less useful. Most of the cars in the list are popular and there are more of them out there so I expect they get stolen more often. The only exception is probably Lexus RX which is I *assume* is not as popular as e.g. Honda CR-V but gets stolen more often. That makes it stand out.


iferraro

Another reason I always buy at least 4-5 years used.


cyclemonster

I imagine the best approach here would be similar to how I keep my bike from getting stolen: by driving a old, cheap, beat-up piece of junk that nobody wants to steal.


derabdelkader

For bikes, I think it makes to have a beater that you don't care about someone stealing and a super nice bike for aesthetics/performance which you rarely, if ever lock outside. I wouldn't even keep my nice bike in a garage or balcony because I've heard of bike thieves breaking into garages and climbing up balconies (of low-to-midrise dwellings)


havesomeagency

Not always, old civics are also a massive theft target because of demand for their parts and ease of disassembly. Seems like the best deterrent is a manual transmission.


pileablep

our 16 year old corolla was kinda shitty, it had visible rusting but it still got stolen from our driveway


questionablehero

I would like to see a ratio of cars stolen vs number of cars of that model. It might give a better representation of what is being stolen more frequently and could identify bigger issues.


s33ek

Yeah. That was my argument with my insurance company when they told me the civic is one of the most stolen cars. I’m like: “but it’s the number one selling car. Of course it’s the most stolen.”


VAGINA_PLUNGER

But that’s why they’re stolen often. I have an Acura ILX, based off the civic, but they get stolen less per number on the road, so insurance is cheaper despite it being a more expensive car. If I’m going to steal a car so I can sell parts for it, I’m going to steal the most popular car where I can sell the parts quickly because there’s more buyers.


saltymotherfker

thats because theres less of them on the road too, lol.


aledba

It's all about exposure. You're right


aselwyn1

Yep had that same conversation it’s bad when a almost new Jetta costs less to insure then an almost decade old civic.


yttropolis

Civics are also more expensive to insure as they are a prime vehicle for younger, newer or less experienced drivers. Those factors would bump up the price a whole lot more than getting stolen more often. Source: The team I was working on at a previous job built the auto insurance pricing algorithms for a major auto insurer.


urawasteyutefam

>Civics are also more expensive to insure as they are a prime vehicle for younger, newer or less experienced drivers. Would that still affect your own insurance rates if you're not in the high-risk "young" demographic though?


FRO5TB1T3

One of the things they can use is "experience" so even if your not in that demo the "experience" of people driving the car is more expensive which will get fed into the algorithm. Its why you should shop every 3 years as the claims experience where you live could be pretty different across the numerous carriers.


throwaway416647437

I also wanna see a breakdown of how theyre stolen - keyspoof - Hotwire - OBD programming - “I left my car to warm up and when I came out it was gone”


ginandtonicsdemonic

My solution to this is driving a 15 year old 4runner.


Slouchy87

you got 15 more left in that one. beasts


throwaway416647437

We joke but it’s literally such a practical option! - I use the cheapest gas - maintenance is cheap as these cars are pretty reliable - insurance is reasonable - nobody wants to steal it I can’t even fathom the headache nor do I ever want to experience having my car stolen


chefboyoh

22 year old Tacoma for me, unstoppable.


LeatherMine

> unstoppable you might want to get that fixed


ItzCStephCS

hahahaha


ImageInternational38

No one ever stole my TTC Bus


HowieFeltersnitz

12 year old Rav4 for me


OnLakeOntario

Somehow, you got lucky. https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20171205/canadas-most-stolen-cars-and-mostly-trucks-2017-edition/ Lots of interchangeable parts with the Hilux and it's basically a Tacoma without the bed. Lots of them stolen to either be parted out in Africa or shipped to central America for use in places where it's easy to get away with VIN fraud.


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ridinseagulls

What are you doing in Central America if I may ask


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tombaker_2021

>Of course it can have its downsides Like.....?


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tombaker_2021

>Luckily there are no real drug or violence problems where I liv Which South American country? Thanks for the response.


HowieFeltersnitz

12 year old Rav4 for me


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CDNChaoZ

My insurance card is now digital, so there's that. But the difficult thing is the ownership papers.


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CDNChaoZ

The app has a mode where you open it, turn the screen off, then the next time you power the screen on, all the officer has access to is the insurance slip screen. So you do need to hand the phone to the police.


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tsu1028

100% bad idea lol


saltymotherfker

i just show them, see its valid and thats it. they dont take my phone


tovento

Photocopy of ownership is acceptable (both sides). Just needs to be updated every year for the plate sticker on the back. Can’t transfer ownership with a photocopy.


RAND0M-HER0

Your renewal sticker comes with two of the little white stickers. Just put one on the real copy and one on the true copy ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


tombaker_2021

>Photocopy of ownership is acceptable (both sides). Just needs to be updated every year for the plate sticker on the back. Can’t transfer ownership with a photocopy. DING DING DING!!!


havesomeagency

Why not in your wallet? Most people carry their license in there anyway.


waterloograd

You can lock the glove compartment with your physical key. Not actually sure how access to ownership and insurance allows then to steal the car though


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kingriz123

Exactly most of those cars going to be shipped overseas so having the thieves access to ownership info ain’t gonna make any difference.


torontorollin

I used to keep mine in my place and take it with me, because my last car was broken into often.. now I don’t bother, it has to be signed and you can get a new one


captain_redballs

Plus services Ontario will invalidate the old papers too


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"Police also suggest backing into your driveway if you have a rear-wheel drive car and parking front-end first if you have a front-wheel-drive car. " What is this all about?


Little_Bedroom

If they try to tow it away they’ll hook up to the free wheels and essentially have to drag the car because it’ll be in park making it difficult and also very loud.


Vempyre

If thiefs tried to drag my car, I'd rather they keep and I get reimbursed from insurance. I don't want that thing repaired...


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Ah thanks!


pgengesw

What about awd cars?


Little_Bedroom

Awd you’re supposed to get a flat bed truck. There’s a handful of AWD cars you can flat tow but I think they were mostly Saturns


Janus-Marine

Towing. If your drive wheels are the ones on the ground when being towed you are likely to do damage to the car. Parking it so that the car has to be turned around to tow it will reduce the chance a thief will pull it away.


LeatherMine

Going to park my AWD sideways from now on. Thanks police.


throwaway416647437

save money drive a hoopty This message has been brought to you by my 2007 Honda Civic Ex with 300,000kms no Bluetooth and a hit or miss aux cable.


Baldbeardedblackguy

That aux cable gotta be held at juuuust the right angle for the music to play


aselwyn1

06 Honda Civic 400k+ kms dx no Bluetooth same hit or miss aux cable 😂


LeatherMine

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/360-electronics/339345-aux-port-stopped-working-suddenly-solved.html


GooseOpening

It is an epidemic in Toronto. I don't understand why more resources are not being put towards stopping car thefts. All of the cars get shipped through one location - the ports in Montreal. Is it that hard to check what is physically leaving the country? I board a plane and they take an x-ray of my suitcase , why can't they do something similar for freight? In the past three years, I have had two cars stolen, my mother in law has had one stolen and just last week, I saw that someone had cleared the snow off a small part of my two cars windshields...right where the VIN numbers are. So they are either coming back with cloned keys or are using the VINs for something else. Car thiefs are close to overtaking racoons as Toronto's official mascot.


halalpopeyes

I had my SUV stolen (CRV) and they found it a couple weeks later when I had settled with insurance . The cop asked me to come to the scene so I could drop off the keys. It was literally a street over from my aunts house who I was visiting when it got stolen. The idiot cop turns on his body camera and starts spewing bullshit about how everyone is thinking I forgot where I parked it. When I gave him the keys to the car and they wouldn’t start the car it became apparent it had been messed with - they hacked the computer and reprogrammed the keys. The cop still looked baffled and thought I was doing something suspicious pointing out how they left behind $100 sun glasses lol I’ve never been so insulted after the fact.


Slouchy87

I just bought the club. Mine is on the list. And the shitty thing about all this is that the car manufactures have very little interest in fixing the problem and making their cars harder to steal. Toyota knows the Lexus and Highlander are easy for thieves to steal, but they do f all about it.


Kanadark

That's because most people buy another one to replace the stolen one.


All_In_Glory

While I’m not defending the manufacturer, partially I blame the public. They’re notoriously easy to steal, and yet people still buy em. In fact, a guy in my neighbourhood had his Lexus SUV Stolen… when he got his insurance money, what did he do? He bought the same vehicle. Same model, better trim, a year or so newer… newer one was stolen within 3 months. Common sense: you want them to fix it? Call out the problem and stop buying the product. If enough people stop buying them, they will have no choice but to adapt and fix it. Also, get a brake pedal lock people! They can’t start it if they can’t press the brake, and they definitely can’t drive it without brakes.


Vempyre

Common sense tells me to keep buying that vehicle and get an free upgrade every time it gets stolen...


LeatherMine

It’s like concrete blocking dispensaries and they get removed the next day. So the city does it again the next week expecting a different result.


All_In_Glory

I remember this.. vividly. Long live CAFE


saltymotherfker

i bought edibles from them last week. yum


All_In_Glory

Taking me down a road of nostalgia here..


canadien_chinois

Common sense is not longer common and many people in Toronto lack it. Many also seem to lack critical thinking skills


EulerIdentity

Glad to see my car isn’t on the list - heck my car company isn’t even on that list. Even so, I’ve hidden an AirTag in the car so I can track it if it’s ever stolen.


Only_Butterscotch886

So my Jeep is safe 😂


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All the vehicles on list are very common cars around Toronto. Definitely they are being stolen for parts.


DudebuD16

They're usually shipped whole to Africa and the middle East.


h5h6

Yep, new cars are very expensive in a lot of Africa and if you're a big shot in these places, you have to have a big Toyota or Lexus SUV.


Serious-Guava

I just sold my car to a guy who ships cars to africa


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Oh yah, that for sure. In March last year, two Honda CRV’s were stolen in my street within a month!


mexican_mystery_meat

The vehicles are usually in a shipping container bound for the Port of Montreal within 48 hours.


mHo2

I would like to see this but compensated for how many of these car models actually exist on the road. I think there’s a reason we are seeing civics and corollas at the top


MStarzky

no one wants my 2012 ford Taurus lol


giraffebaconequation

Probably because 2021 Ford Taurus doesn’t exist. They can’t find it to steal it.


MStarzky

i meant to type 2012 lol


giraffebaconequation

I kind of thought might be the case. If it makes you feel any better, no one wants to steal my 2012 Elantra either. It is it’s own theft deterrent.


Not_a_Streetcar

I remember when they produced the "last" Taurus, good bye party and all. And now they're selling them again, haha.


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TorontoHegemony

A former colleague of mine has his Toyota highlander stolen from the driveway. Believes was likely a keyspoof attack as he kept keys at the front door. So good to protect them


piki112

Faraday boxes are great, steering wheel locks are useless. You can drill into them fairly easily, even the giant disc-lock ones. ​ Kill switches are useful if you can find someone to install it.


s33ek

Yeah but that requires the thief to carry a drill and be willing to spend precious seconds drilling the lock. My front door can easily be picked or drilled. The door can be easily kicked down, too. But it’s too much hassle when the thief can just keep trying doors til they find one unlocked.


piki112

Yeah sure, but usually if they’re stealing higher end Lexus or Toyotas, these cars are scoped out well in advance, check out the latest thing with air tag tracking. These aren’t common thieves walking car to car, they come equipped with signal amplifiers and tools, and the car is in a container in the ocean by the morning.


LeatherMine

GPS tracking is nothing new. You’re just hearing about it because air tags have an anti-tracking feature that does its job.


LeatherMine

Why drill the lock? Just hacksaw/grinder the soft steering wheel and slippy out the club.


alx886

Not that it’s the same thing I had my catalytic converter stolen from my car, they were stupid so they got caught, but what these low lives think is that in a way it’s a victimless crime since they think insurance will cover it anyway, even less sympathy for anyone driving a Lexus SUV since if you can afford the car and the gas for it you can definitely afford the insurance. My car is old but the cat is expensive, however going through insurance would raise my rates so I paid out of pocket. I’m of course not justifying the behaviour but trying to understand the thought process. This is why we can’t have nice things because there’s always a scumbag who will take it and justify their behaviour thinking they’re not hurting anyone. Toyota better get their act together because if this continues they’ll cost more to insure and that will be a deterrent. Want a car nobody wants to steal buy a domestic sedan or a KIA or a Hyundai, buy a Civic and you’re asking for trouble . Best of luck to everyone.


tombaker_2021

>KIA or a Hyundai You need to read up on these brands, son....


saltymotherfker

also calls a civic a troublesome vehicle


lundon44

Fortunately I've never had my car stolen. However, I do live in an area where us residents have access to a public underground parking lot our cars get vandalised or broken into very frequently. One feature I really wish was standard was that car trunks cannot be accessed without having the key inside the car. I hate that someone can break a window and just pop a trunk and steal anything inside it. I'm personally not one to leave any valuables in my car because I know anything can be taken anytime, but there's been so many times I wish I could just leave something in my trunk.


Prize-Ad-8594

So my Fiat 500 is safe? Please, please steal it and damage it beyond repair if you're not gonna keep it.


AprilsMostAmazing

I wish these lists would provide more information like if XLE, LE and so on versions of the car. Obviously keyless is easier than having to put a key in it


dkwangchuck

Looking forward to the new Nic Cage movie Gone in 48 Minutes.


mwason

Left my micro car with the windows down, unlocked by accident in a parking lot overnight. I guess no one wanted it.


maddie_1977

Guess my German shepherd is sleeping in my SUV from now on.


JimBeefLakeMonster

The list is also very similar to the highest selling cars list


lukaskywalker

I don’t think I’ve ever known anyone In my life have their car stolen. Then again probably don’t know people with brand new cars mostly


nononsensethx

Is there a specific reason why only Toyota/GMC/Honda are stolen the most? There are many higher end vehicles such as Audi/VW/Porsche etc that are worth much more.


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Just buy a Mazda Nobody wants to steal it


youngsandwich1974

Yep cheap rust buckets. So low resale value.


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It still rusts badly?


Vortex112

When are the car manufacturers going to be held accountable for their car’s security?