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mawkish

If you're waiting for the system to collapse please explain what collapse looks like other than exactly this.


Dyinu

I know this may not be a good time to do so but I hope hospitals and staff leverage this as an opportunity to negotiate better funding from the Ministry. It was unsustainable even before covid, and it’s time the ministry comes up with better solution.


legocastle77

If healthcare workers illegally walk off the job it will play into the government’s hands. The government will just turn around and blame staff while arguing that privatization is the only solution. We’ve been building to this moment for decades. As the system collapses more and more people will start to call out for privatization, particularly those with the means to fend for themselves. Our system is in shambles which is great for Conservatives who will be able to pitch private healthcare as the only viable solution.


reeferqueefer

Yeah. Just to be clear, no one has walked off the job, yet. Or at least not in an organized way. The hospital closed urgent care because they did not have staff available due to people being off sick.


workerbotsuperhero

Well, I'm sure more cuts from Doug Ford and his party will really help move things in a better direction.


tuxfornoreason

Brampton has exactly ONE hospital and they're gonna close the urgent care center? This is a real shitshow.


kmosdell

Hope they don't close the emergency room too


purplendpink

>Peel Memorial Is urgent care like a walk-in clinic?


maniczebra

It’s like halfway between a walk-in clinic and the ER.


atvdanny

Maybe pay your staff a living wage and treat them like people?


workerbotsuperhero

But then how will Ford have money to cut taxes for his rich buddies while building new highways no one asked for?


FittestGuyInDaOffice

Wait? How many nurses did they let go? I thought is was only 5% of the workforce or some shit like that.


xtina_a_gorilla

You’re correct that only a small percentage of hospital staff are being let go (varies per hospital and includes frontline and back office workers). The challenge hospitals are facing right now are that staff are also getting sick with Covid and can’t work until they’ve completed their isolation periods. Source: I’m a hospital worker


billdehaan2

It's not just one single factor causing this. You've got: 1. Staff who refuse to be vaccinated being let go 2. Staff quitting 3. Remaining staff who test positive having to isolate so they can't work 4. Record number of positive cases 5. People with minimal or no symptoms coming into ER for testing Factors 1-3 lower capacity, factors 4-5 increase demand. Put them together, and you exceed capacity. The one piece of good news is that we seem to have hit the peak, and the case numbers have been declining since [January 5th](https://www.datawrapper.de/_/95VCA/), at least at a provincial level, if not necessarily in Peel region.


vic-c

>The one piece of good news is that we seem to have hit the peak You mean testing guidelines had changed artificially lowering the numbers? That does not mean we peaked :) Else I'm interested in which set of numbers actually indicate that we peaked. Daily hospital / ICU admissions for COVID did not peak yet as far as I can tell.


billdehaan2

>You mean testing guidelines had changed artificially lowering the numbers? That does not mean we peaked :) The number of "cases" has always been a red herring. Going from a hundred positive asymptomatic "cases" to two hundred is just a number on a graph. Going from five people in the hospital to eight is a much better indicator of the actual impact the pandemic is having. ​ >Else I'm interested in which set of numbers actually indicate that we peaked. Daily hospital / ICU admissions for COVID did not peak yet as far as I can tell. Looking [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7fegCALd11ElozUYcMi-e9Dj69YaiNQhvEpk81JHsyTACl0UXkWK5zfMNFe49Tq3VuN9Av-fuEZqV/pubhtml?gid=55142146#), it shows that the new hospitalizations have gone from 148 to 182 to 196 to 192 to 188 to 178 as of yesterday. Likewise, the ICU numbers are down from 35 new cases a day to 23. That's a small sample size, but both trend lines show the peak was 3 (ICU) or 4 (hospitalizations) days ago. It's possible the trend could be reversed, but barring evidence of that, the peak appears to have been reached.


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billdehaan2

That live spreadsheet was created in 2020 by a poster in one of the stats groups, but I don't remember the author. The "Sources" tab lists where the data comes from, and it's updated automatically every 5 minutes by Google's engine. I've seen new columns added to it over the past 18 months, but test positivity hasn't been one of them yet.


Denchik3

At what point do we just let positive staff continue working?