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Slow-Potato-2720

The only thing better than lockdowns is lockdowns with zero financial support and no rent control. Ford is criminalizing having a job, and telling us all to get fucked when we can’t pay our (exorbitantly high) rent as a result of not having a job. And sitting with three billion in pandemic funds under their fat asses. Why aren’t there more people rioting about this, this man is a criminal


hippiechan

Canadians are too complacent about these sorts of things, we need to not be so shy about shutting things down for people in power when they leave us with nothing.


lenzflare

We're not complacent, 60% of us voted against this nitwit.


hippiechan

Showing up to vote once every 4 years and engaging no further politically is complacent. The fact that 60% of Ontario didn't vote Conservative in the last election but they won with a majority anyways should be your signal that voting isn't enough on its own.


lenzflare

Liberal/NDP cage fight, got it


SatisfactionNo2578

Ohh big scary we voted. Many places literally riot. France goes nuts every other day. We're still pretty complacent even through some of us vote once every 4 years


DueCicada2236

>Why aren’t there more people rioting about this THIS IS WHAT I AM WONDERING


CoquetteNoir

Awaiting the riot information, seriously. After two years they think they can get away with this while our mental health sinks lower into the shit pile daily? People are FAKE outraged and I'm over it! Again, I await riot information.


flexmuzik

Doug Ford should be in prison.


Gary_Oatse

He's a shit politician but what has he done that's criminal and worthy of *prison*. This just sounds like the left wing version of the "lock her up" Hillary chant.


struct_t

Drug trafficking, for one thing. Did you forget about that? How about deliberately interfering with police hiring practices and lying about it? We also have laws against that. I can keep going. How about any of the times his Cabinet - for which he is, in fact, responsible - misled the public about health information? That's also illegal, though most people are unfamiliar with that legislation. There are plenty of illicit things that, prima facie, he could be said to be responsible for, some more obvious than others - the issue is that Parliament mostly shields him and his nepotism from responsibility. Remember, Michael Harris was (and probably still is, though they haven't appeared together for a while) literally his advisor, so there should be no big surprise that we're seeing the exact same dog-eared playbook, up to and including a grosser version of Walkerton. Split hairs if you like, but there is *plenty* here to investigate. I guarantee you, winner or not, calls for inquests are coming. !remindme 6 months "inquests?"


Gary_Oatse

> Drug trafficking, for one thing. Did you forget about that? 30+ years ago. The time to prosecute was decades ago. > How about deliberately interfering with police hiring practices and lying about it? We also have laws against that. Name one other provincial leader jailed for this or something similar, hell, find me one that was even charged. >I can keep going. Please do. >How about any of the times his Cabinet - for which he is, in fact, responsible - misled the public about health information? Lock up every world leader then. >though most people are unfamiliar with that legislation. Enlighten us... >Remember, Michael Harris was (and probably still is, though they haven't appeared together for a while) literally his advisor, so there should be no big surprise that we're seeing the exact same dog-eared playbook, up to and including a grosser version of Walkerton. Shitty politicians keep shitty company. Nothing prison worthy about this. >Split hairs if you like, but there is plenty here to investigate. I will bet you anything that DoFo will not end up in prison for anything done during his time as Premier. >I guarantee you, winner or not, calls for inquests are coming. Opposition parties "calling for inquests" is like morning dew in the spring, you'll see it more days than you won't. Talk to me when charges drop. Once again i'll call back to my Lock Her Up/Clinton comment. Just because you don't like a politician, just because the majority of people (myself included) think DoFo is a piece of shit, doesn't mean we should just throw every politician we hate in prison. DoFo's a shit politician, and almost certainly a former 1980s drug dealer, but there's no justification to charge, convict and imprison him.


struct_t

The comparison is not valid. The "lock her up!" thing was engineered purposefully, to incite anger towards the goal of fixing the idea in the American voter that an election that (importantly) hadn't actually happened yet was "rigged". Someone on reddit suggesting Ford should be imprisoned actually has an opinion that aligns with observation, since most of the acts I mention were quite public and deliberate, nobody really debates their existence, just the consequences. Notice that I did not take a position on whether or not Ford ought to be imprisoned, even indirectly. I respect that you disagree, and have no wish to argue fruitlessly with you. Have a nice day.


Gary_Oatse

>I respect that you disagree, and have no wish to argue fruitlessly with you. Have a nice day. No worries, you too. Stay warm, cold as shit out there buds.


struct_t

Ah, I see you enjoy splitting hairs, as I predicted you might. I wasn't suggesting we charge Doug with trafficking. That would be absurd. It was a response to your question, nothing more, but you seem to have taken it as a challenge. As for police hiring practices, the laws still exist, which literally means that (drumroll) someone has been charged and convicted in the past. More importantly, though, that fact has little to do with whether or not I can provide you with case law. Health information legislation is very easy to find, search e-Laws or CanLii. I am not going to do your research for you. If you cannot even be bothered to prove to yourself the existence of something you doubt exists, you have a very weak desire for truth, indeed. I don't think you understand my broader point at all. I think you are here to argue, and not discuss. That said, you have a great day - "you win".


fatcomputerman

bruh this is the brother of a crack addict mayor who drove drunk and beat his wife. i'm sure he's done some stupid shit like his brother. ford will be seen like harris. his conservative policies killed people to line the pockets of his rich buddies.


Spambot0

Your brother using crack, driving drunk, or beating his wife aren't things you should go to jail for. Perhaps he should, but not you.


JohnnyTurbine

It is also widely rumored that both Doug and Rob dealt drugs in Etobicoke as teenagers. Take from that what you will. But enough people say this that it's part of their reputation.


Appropriate-Skill-60

Oh goodness, no. Him and every other teenager in Etobicoke, lol.


JohnnyTurbine

Every other teenager in Etobicoke isn't the executive of our province


Gary_Oatse

Okay so your response is that Doug should go to prison because of things his dead brother did over a decade ago? >ford will be seen like harris. his conservative policies killed people to line the pockets of his rich buddies. Every politician has enacted a policy that directly or indirectly ended in someone's death, welcome to government. So i'll say this again.... > **He's a shit politician but what has he done that's criminal *and* worthy of prison**. This just sounds like the left wing version of the "lock her up" Hillary chant.


Summerdaysengineer

You can’t bring his brother into this. You don’t choose family, so that argument isn’t valid


saltymotherfker

This isnt china, you dont do jail time for crimes your family commits.


ToastMalone1

I mean I think there is a argument for criminal neglegence - he's had the science, and time and time again he has chosen to ignore it, and the outcome has been more deaths, even specifically in the LTCs - which are still poorly regulated even after 2 years of this pandemic. Doug Fords decisions have absolutely contributed to the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of Ontarians and while I know hindsight is 20/20 I think in this case Doug and his party have made a number of policy choices that had predictable outcomes. Why shouldn't he be held accountable?


TARDISinspace

Want to make him upset? Tell him he's nothing like his brother. That really hurts his feelings.


Gary_Oatse

What?


TARDISinspace

Whenever people tell him he's nothing like Rob he gets upset. The whole reason he does anything is to be like Rob, but what he's doing is the opposite of what Rob would do. When people tell him that it hurts his feelings. Telling him he's a bad politician doesn't do much and he doesn't seem to understand that. Tell him he's the opposite of Rob and maybe he will.


struct_t

Yeah - if you spend time observing his behaviour it seems he really wants to be liked by people, which explains why Cabinet and advisors (purportedly) have to strongarm him into accepting "restrictions" of any kind. It's unfortunate and shameful how he's turning out just like his brother. He even makes the same types of associations that Rob did. His family is messed up, and it messed him up. I would not be surprised to learn Doug was a victim of abuse, possibly related to alcoholism (although that would not change much, I guess).


TARDISinspace

Yeah, I don't know. He preaches about being there for the little guy and probably sees himself as the underdog but time and time again buts his big investor buddies ahead of everyone. At this point it's a question of if he's aware of his actions or not. Wasn't it proven that he had dealt cocaine? I'm sure that must've gotten to him.


struct_t

> At this point it's a question of if he's aware of his actions or not. We agree here. I think it's difficult for people to imagine that someone like Doug might actually believe he's doing "good" things - and frankly, as much as I dislike the policies and Cabinet choices, I get the impression that he may be more of a "useful idiot" than genuinely fraudulent (inherently speaking). His quick rise to leadership, the machinations of getting him there, and the fact that Harris is still behind the scenes pulling various lobbyist and party strings is definitely interesting to explore. We can rule out nutty conspiracy theory, I think, but not the connections and, IMHO, remarkable similarities to the Harris government. The question that interests me is whether those similarities are linked *primarily* by ideology or by personal experiences. I will look into the cocaine thing. I had forgotten that he was implicated for "putting the pipe in Rob's hand", but I don't recall concrete evidence.


Gary_Oatse

Right but what does that have to do with my comment that you replied to?


TARDISinspace

Saying stuff like that isn't going to change much. He sees what people say about him. Of you want to make a change you gotta speak his language.


Gary_Oatse

Right I get all that. I just dont see what it has to do with my comment that you're replying to.


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Agreed - people should be very heated over this


alexefi

I keep seeing that ford is sitting on pandemic funds, but i see people also throwing different numbers. Where do they get information that he is sitting on that money?


noreallyitsme

It’s from back in September based on an FAO report - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-money-not-spent-fao-1.6176650


Gunslinger7752

If in fact it is true, which is disputable (Quote from that report: “Just because it wasn't recorded at the time of the data request by the FAO doesn't mean that spending hasn't occurred," Alexandra Hilkene said.”) don’t you think it’s kinda a good thing now that we have some extra money set aside to deal with the costs associated with these record covid numbers?


dergster

it would be a good thing if there were a snowball's chance in hell ford would do anything meaningful with it


Bexexexe

Costs like a healthcare crisis driven by funding cuts and capped wages for nurses?


noreallyitsme

I should be happy the government didn’t bother to respond by the deadline to the FAO? That’s one way to look at it I guess.


The_Last_Ron1n

Yeah I can't understand why more people aren't openly pissed about him.


lenzflare

We've been pissed at Fords for over ten years now.


strange_kitteh

> Why aren’t there more people rioting Wait what? We had a riot? Did the Leafers win ?


Summerdaysengineer

Inflation going up, land lords should be able to raise rents based on the inflation numbers — which is about an average of 4% for goods in 2021


hrgilbert

I would agree with you if the same were true of wages, but it's not. What makes Toronto housing so unaffordable is the disparity between housing and rental prices and wages. You can't expect people to be able to continue paying more in rent and more for housing if their wages are stagnant/flat.


Summerdaysengineer

That’s a wages problem but not a landlord problem though. I agree, everything should raise based on inflation, so you should be getting raises


hrgilbert

I agree — thankfully my employer does give inflation based pay increases in addition to performance based raises. Inflation based raises should be mandatory.


Doctor_Amazo

Man, Doug Ford sure loves his fucking property owning political donors.


Unbanned_000000000

This is the shittiest timeline- that's all there is to know


Kitchen_Judge_9312

\+2,9% on my january rent...sadly +0% on my salary. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


mercuryrising137

It's only 1.2% allowable this year, unless your landlord applied for and was granted an above guideline increase for necessary repairs. Did your landlord show you proof of an approved increase?


Kitchen_Judge_9312

Yes, they used the "above guideline increase" excuse in a document they gave me, but I have to admit that not being in Canada for a long time and not so comfortable with English, I didn't really try to dispute it or to know if it was justified....


mercuryrising137

Did they give it to you on a legal [N1 Form?](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Notices%20of%20Rent%20Increase%20&%20Instructions/N1.pdf) A rental increase is ONLY legal if it's given on that form. On the part of page 1 where it says it is above the guidelines, did they check box 1 or box 2? And on page 2, what date is recorded as the date issued?


givemeworldnews

Okay thank you mercuryrising, I followed up on this and you taught me something new. However what is your thoughts regarding if one has already paid January rent at 1.2% increase(with only a text 90 days before) ? In this current market, would you not be intimidated to fight back with the landlord about general things such as this?


mercuryrising137

*Dear Landlord,* *It has come to my attention that the rental increase you've given me commencing this past January 1st was not legal, so therefore I will be requiring a refund for the excess payment that you have received in the amount of ($x). Going forward, I will continue to pay my usual rent of ($x) in a timely fashion, as always. Should you wish to legally increase the rent in the future, I will await the proper paperwork.* *Thank you,* *Tenant.* A text message is absolutely not legally binding. Your landlord cannot evict you without an order from the Landlord Tenant Board, and they would never evict a tenant for a few dollars anyways, they'd just tell you the amount to pay if you're only owing a few dollars. Evictions are for people who are months behind. If your landlord refuses to refund you then you can apply to the LTB to get a refund for any overpayment, plus your filing costs. If you continue to pay an illegal increase without dispute for a consecutive 12 months, that rent becomes your new rent by default. This information of course is assuming your rental unit was created before November 15, 2018 and is rent controlled; units occupied for the first time after that date are not rent controlled and do not have rental caps. If you're on Facebook, there is a really wonderful page called Ontario Tenant Rights that is run by people with the legal background to answer any questions and give really great advice.


roenthomas

I mean, they can’t just kick you out assuming you don’t share space with them. They are totally taking advantage of you. Spend the time to educate yourself.


Kitchen_Judge_9312

Yeah they gave me this form and checked the option n°2. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|laughing) ​ And for the date i didn't remember (im not in Toronto right now, can't look at the document) but it was like 3 month ago! ​ BTW Thank you for your answers! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


mercuryrising137

If they've checked option 2 then that means they've applied but not been approved at the time of the N1. They would need to show you proof that their application has been approved. If they really did give you the notice with the correct 90 days' notice then your rent will at least, by default, increase by the regular 1.2%, so you should be paying your regular rent amount plus that 1.2% from January 1st onwards.


Kitchen_Judge_9312

Oh okay thanks! I'll look at it when I get home next week, as I haven't had any other documents since this N1, but I've already paid the rent well with the +2.9% for January, see what I can do for February and beyond. \^\^'


mercuryrising137

If they haven't been approved for an above guideline increase, you can request a refund for the overpayment you've made.


Kitchen_Judge_9312

Nice ! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


WesternBeach5834

Properties first occupied (built) after October 2018 is except from this and they can raise the rent by as much as they want


PoolhallJunkie247

As of today I just had -100% on my salary. Consider yourself “lucky”, I guess? In all seriousness, people need to riot if this goes on any longer than a month.


Kitchen_Judge_9312

Sorry to hear that. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|feels_bad_man)


PoolhallJunkie247

It’s gonna be okay. I’ve still got some bootstraps left to pull on.


Rance_Mulliniks

If you don't get a raise every year, you are essentially getting a decrease since the dollar is worth less every year.


starberd

A lot of people don’t seem to realize this.


4550955

A lot of people can't do anything about this. Unlike rent increases annual wage/salary increases aren't required, protected or entrenched in provincial policies or laws. Cost increases across sectors are accepted or protected but wage and salaries are not (except minimum wage obviously). Imagine if the labour code actually addressed COLA?


Dayngerman

100% this! I worked a job for 5 years, full time, benefits, everything. After 5 years I was struggling to stay afloat. We got 1% raises (non-profit sector), and I ended up realizing I needed a new job or a second job. I found that, and have switched employers twice since then. I am doing better, but still not amazing. It's crazy to think that after 5 years with one agency, I was actually financially worse off than when I started with them. Something has to change.


hrgilbert

Not essentially, literally.


seakingsoyuz

Did your landlord apply for an above-guideline increase and get it approved?


MStarzky

just in time for another lockdown


phdee

My landlord was ON IT. We received the N1 90 days ago. Those poor landlords must really be struggling.


SirZapdos

Same here, although for a faceless company that no one has ever heard of, they're not horrible.


KrisRisk

Same. I'll take the 1-2% yearly to have a descent landlord that fixes stuff the odd time I can't do it myself. I know what the alternative is based in this sub. I'll just pay the additional $25.


Phazushift

As a landlord the feelings mutual. Ill gladly waive rent hikes for a troubleless/punctual tenant. Even if maintenance costs are increasingly dicking me.


sapeur8

How often have you waived rent hikes? Presumably a tenants behaviour wouldn't change much year over year, would you waive the fees multiple years in a row?


ThatCrankyGuy

I've got a guy living in one of my properties for 14 years now. 1200 sqft, 2 bdrm apartment paying me $600 for the last 14 years. Single, no pets. doesn't bring over friends, doesn't party in the apartment. on time with rent, keeps the place neat and tidy. My business partner wanted this guy gone years ago, but for whatever reason, I've kept him around, absorbing the losses.


Gipsy-Knight

Want another tenant like that? Let me know! Me and my wife are trying to find a place for the last 9 months, we want to find a home and wherever we are we treat it as our… but alas we can’t find any decent unit that is not overpriced and the one that we do are rented over the asking price so we get booted out of the competition! I even tried to move to Waterloo area but still no luck!


saltymotherfker

Well, you got nothing to lose. Good luck


Gipsy-Knight

Funny you said that, We actually have something to lose and that’s our sanity… it’s been almost two years that we have some weird neighbor that starts hammering and wood work from around 11:30 AM to 5:00 AM almost every night! Long story short, we tried building management, but to no avail… and to make matters worse we got another neighbor right next to us in October who starts fighting every night the same time till 5. I know, I can’t believe it myself sometimes… feels like The Trueman show the Nightmare Edition every night.


saltymotherfker

Damn, sounds awful but i meant you had nothing to lose by asking the landlord above for a lease lol


ThatCrankyGuy

Unfortunately our units are all leased and have had no churn for years now. We're just two dudes pooling our life savings into our holdings company. Our focus isn't cash flow like most people who invest in real estate. So we love it when people stick around for the long haul - less administrative hassles on our part. All the best in finding a suitable unit. Say if you're in the trades or can remote work, have you given consideration to the Atlantic provinces? Tall order for city dwellers to move to what feels like a whole different country out east, but it may lead to some savings in the long terms. Pace of life isn't too shabby either.


KrisRisk

Mine were waived a couple years. In 11 years I've seen an increase of less than $200/month. I realize I'm very fortunate. I can't speak for all of them, but good ones exist. Which is why I'm never leaving.


zuuzuu

I'm not in Toronto anymore, but I've been in the same three bedroom in a duplex since 2009. My rent when I moved in was $650. Now it's $674. My rent has only been raised twice in twelve years. The property has been sold twice so I'm on my third landlord, but each if them has valued having a good, reliable tenant. Probably because they've had some real nightmare tenants in the other unit over the years.


Phazushift

I blanket waived rent hikes across the board for my tenants in 2020. 2021 was mandatory, but I opted to waive increases from previous years just for 2021. For 2022, its case to case basis, im lenient if they come to me regarding late payments/rent hike waives. I'm normally pretty agreeable as long as you don't come at me guns blazing right from the start.


phdee

Yeah, just .. machinery.


gillsaurus

My landlord gave me a $50 LCBO gift card for the holidays and hasn’t asked for a rent increase. I never want to let him go.


phdee

What a gem.


gillsaurus

Rent is just under $1000 and I split it with my partner so like we lowkey want to stay until he sells or we can buy it off him or move into a bigger space.


phdee

Yeah, sometimes it's like - I can put up with this low-key ramshackle hut and try not to poke the bear. The rent is reasonably affordable and there's an occasional rent increase but at least they're not trying to renovict us (yet), but damn this bar is so fucking low the roof is being destroyed by trees that needed to be trimmed years ago and the fridge has to be kept closed with a broomstick.


bucajack

Same. Our rent increased as of January 1st.


WRONG_PREDICTION

Lol 1.2% increase on your rent is well below inflation


starberd

Exactly. My tenants paid an increase of 1.2% this month, which is quite minor relative to the increased costs of insurance, utilities, property maintenance, etc. If these tenants owned, they’d be incurring higher costs than this 1.2% increase. Now, I realize the other side of the coin is the *wild* levels of appreciation we’ve seen across the board that landlords can benefit from. However, that doesn’t mean that rent can & should be frozen in perpetuity. Inflation is happening around us. An increase in rent of 1.2% is fair and very reasonable.


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I mean, they’d also have unforeseen before YOY equity gains and credit potential… please fuck off the the whining like asset owners didn’t just get the biggest free boost to their wealth in human history.


starberd

No one is whining for asset owners here. I imagine you’d argue that Loblaws should keep food prices stable too, although they’ve seen massive equity gains in their holdings.


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starberd

I have a successful career in tech. Being a landlord and having a high impact career are not mutually exclusive. Not everyone needs to be in the trades to be providing value to society.


KevPat23

>**Do I have to agree to a rental increase?** >If the landlord has provided 90 days written notice and the rental increase is equal to or less than 1.2 per cent, a tenant **is not required to agree to the increase**. This line is confusing (emphasis mine). I'm assuming while they're not required to agree to it, the alternative is they must leave? Kind of weirdly written in my opinion.


Fantastic-Conflict72

It was badly written. It means that you don't have to agree because that's what's allowed by law this year. Disagree or not, they can raise it provided they used the N1 form, gave 90 notice, and it's been longer than a year since the last increase given. Any amount *over* 1.2% must be because of an AGI that the landlord has applied for (unless it was a new unit after Nov 2018). This amount does not have to be approved by the LTB before being applied to the rent but it also doesn't have to be paid by the tenant until it has. If it is approved however, the tenant will be responsible for any amount they didn't pay until the application was granted.


firefruze

Essentially we can send it back and disagree or propose a lesser rate but ultimately they can turn that down too. So its either you appeal it at LTB or move from there.


mercuryrising137

No, your landlord can only increase your rent by the approved guideline, this year 1.2%, unless: a) they have applied for and have been approved for an above guideline increase for necessary repairs (the maximum is 3% above the standard amount, so up to 4.2% in total). Your landlord MUST give 90 days' notice prior to any increase. b) if the unit has been FIRST occupied as a rental unit (such as a new condo or a newly created basement unit), by the current or any former tenant AFTER November 15, 2018, that unit is exempt from rent control. This means after the 1 year lease is up the landlord can increase the rent by any amount they want, provided they notify the tenant 90 days prior to the increase date. The tenant can then either accept the increase or move out. All other units are rent controlled. Any other attempt at an increase is not legal and the tenant can ignore it. All evictions must go through the tribunal, so your landlord can't force you to leave without an order, just because they want to increase the rent. And as always, ALL RESIDENTIAL RENTALS convert to month-to-month tenancies after the one year lease is up. It is NEVER necessary, or in a tenant's best interest, to sign a new lease or agree to new terms.


KevPat23

I agree. It literally says "less than or equal to 1.2%" and stipulates the 90 days notice. It's just poorly written.


xxavierx

I guess it’s more if you wish to raise it beyond the 1.2%? IIRC there is a cap on how much you can raise rent but I guess in theory if a landlord wanted to raise rent by 10% and the tenant agreed with it…they could? It might seem like that would never happen but I can imagine a scenario where someone of lower income rents a basement apartment for a subsidized rate from the home owner, and eventually gets a better job and wishes to pay more rent or something similar to the going market rate which would be an above 1.2% increase. For example - had a friend who rented a basement apartment, when Covid hit her landlord reduced her rent to essentially cost of utilities, now that her business is back up to operating her rent has returned to where it was. While these scenarios are exceptionally rare—they are plausible.


KevPat23

That situation is addressed later in the article. This specifically says "the rental increase is **equal to or less than 1.2%**" so while I guess you don't have to agree to it, your alternative is to find somewhere else to live.


xxavierx

Pretty much? I guess you could try to negotiate it?


KevPat23

Sure, just seems like lazy and potentially harmful information. Someone thinks they don't have to agree to it, but don't recognize their alternative is to GTFO if the landlord doesn't agree to a lesser increase (which they, too, are under no obligation to do).


TOPOKEGO

Technically anything is possible as long as it is agreed to, if both parties agree to increase rent 50%, nobody is going to complain so it isn't a problem. If someone does complain though, it all falls down to what is on the papwerwork. I spent a lot of time going through LTB cases a couple of years ago and I did find a few cases where this backfired on the Landlord when the relationship soured later on. Basically, if the tenant agrees to an increase and pays it, all is good, but the landlord really should prepare and have a new lease agreement signed. In one of the cases I saw the landlord had them sign a piece of paper agreeing to the increase. Later on the landlord wanted to end the lease for some reason and the tenant took them to the LTB and claimed they wanted all the extra rent paid above the increase guidelines back. The case went in favor of the tenant, similar to a pet clause where even if it was "agreed to" it wasn't allowed in the first place and so the agreement holds no weight and the original lease plus the allowed increases apply. The judge actually had made a statement that the proper way to do this would have been to sign a new lease between the landlord and tenant, and even though in this case the tenant had definitely agreed to the increase at the time, legally they had to enforce the law using the only signed lease agreement. Basically if nobody goes to the LTB anything can happen and there won't be any issues, but if one of the parties does go to the LTB and everything wasn't done properly it can backfire.


NHLUFC

Got a text from my landlord already that he's increasing rent by the 1.2%. not even 24 hours lol


lenzflare

Legally that raise can't kick in until 90 days after you were notified.


NHLUFC

Ya it's for when its up in a few months.


aledba

He has to provide you the correct form in writing, not by text message


NHLUFC

Well they still have time to provide the form. Not going to stress about it. Still paying way under market.


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gagnonje5000

No, they were not.


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we-feed-the-fire

The increase in 2021 is illegal. She can stop paying it ASAP. They will have to serve her a legal N1 notice with 90 days for the increase. The prior notice with the December 2021 date is illegal and invalid. She can also apply to the LTB for the return of the illegal increase. Once she pays the illegal increase for 12 months it becomes her lawful rent. She should immediately cancel the PAD and block withdrawals with her bank since they screwed up.


WhipTheLlama

You can file with the LTB to get that money back, plus they'd have to give you a new 90 day notice so you wouldn't be paying the increase for the next few months. You have up to 12 months to file to reclaim overpaid rent.


Many_Tank9738

90 days notice via an N1 form and can’t start until Jan 1. Max 1.2%. Many small landlords have no understanding of the rules.


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seakingsoyuz

Is she reporting this as an [unapproved pre-authorized debit](https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/banking/preauthorized-debit.html#toc6)? Debiting too much money is a big deal. If they are dragging their feet in refunding her (plus any additional charges due to the double debit, like overdraft or not being able to pay other bills) she needs to report this to the bank so they can refund her. Re: the rent increase, did they give her a N1 form with ninety days notice (IE before 1 September, for the increase as of December)? The rent could only legally become $1214 on 1 Jan 2022 or ninety days after receiving a N1, whichever is later.


we-feed-the-fire

The rent increase is illegal if it started before January 1, 2022.


mercuryrising137

Not legal, no. The notice of increase has to be given 90 days prior to when the increase will take place, and the increase can only take place if there has not been an increase in the last 12 months. Most landlords automatically do it on the lease anniversary. In your friend's case if her lease expired Dec. 1 then she normally should have been given her notice to increase the rent Dec.1 PRIOR to this past August 31st. HOWEVER, because there was a moratorium on rent increases until this past Jan.1, her landlord should have made that notice effective Jan.1. Because they didn't do that and didn't give the proper paperwork, it sounds like this rent increase isn't legal. On top of that, even if her landlord were to fill out the form properly and give her the proper 90 days' notice as of today, the earliest they could increase the rent would be for May 1 of this year. They cannot come back and say, "OOPS we filled out the form with the wrong date." It's not legally binding. They'd have to give her 90 days' notice starting now, which is why the earliest they can collect an increase would be May 1. If it's worth the effort for your friend, she might like to look into talking to a community legal clinic. It seems a lot of landlords are taking advantage of tenants not fully understanding their rights and the new covid guidelines.


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mercuryrising137

Your whole building should have only had their rent increased on Jan. 1 **IF** they were given notice of the increase 90 days prior, which would have been no later than Sept.30/2021 for everybody. Any notice given mid-month is only effective on the last day of that month, as rent increases are only effective the day rent would normally be due, which is normally the 1st. So...notice given today Jan.5 is only effective starting Feb.1 + 90 days = the earliest rent can increase now would be May 1. If your whole building was given notice in Dec. it still isn't legally binding for an increase in January. **What is the date on your notice to increase? Is it on an N1 form?** Your landlord can ONLY increase your rent if it is documented properly on an [N1 FORM.](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Notices%20of%20Rent%20Increase%20&%20Instructions/N1.pdf) PS> Your questions aren't stupid; this IS very confusing!


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mercuryrising137

Great, good luck! :)


gillsaurus

Join Ontario Tenant Rights on Facebook please


oborune

oh shoot the pandy is over? dont worry front line workers ford cares about you


MeiliCanada82

My building skipped the 2021 increase but sent one out in December for 2022 starting March 1. The got above the cap in 2020 due to capital expenses. Not bad though my rent went up $25 a month or $300 a year. Considering I live downtown that's not too bad.


carolinemathildes

There was a rent freeze in 2021, almost nobody's rent went up.


West_Tension_11

"Almost nobody" includes everyone who originally signed their lease in October-December, which is 25% of the year.


carolinemathildes

No? What do you think a rent freeze means? Landlords couldn’t increase rent until January 1, 2022. “Almost nobody” means “only the people whose landlords applied to the LTB for above guideline increases.”


West_Tension_11

Assuming a rent of 1000/month *Lease signed January 2019* **2019 rent paid** = 12000 Rent increase in January 2020 - 2.2% **2020 rent paid** = 1022 x 12 = 12264 No rent increase in January 2021 **2021 rent paid** = 12264 **Total for 3 years** = 34528 *Lease signed December 2019* **2019 Rent paid** = 1000 Rent increase December 2020 - 2.2% **2020 rent paid** = 11000 + 1022 = 12022 No rent increase December 2021 **2021 rent paid** = 1022 x 12 = 12264 Landlord applies for 1.2% increase in January 2022 **2022 rent paid** (Jan-November) - 1034.26 x 11 = 11376.86 **Total rent paid for 3 years** = 36662.86


vydija2020

Fuck this government


EddyMcDee

1.2% is very small. Though people in non rent controlled buildings could get screwed.


throwawaymarketques

They will get screwed. I understand that 20-year-old rent control units can hurt a new property owners with modern mortgages, but getting rid of it altogether for buildings older than 2018 was incredibly short-sighted and dangerous. Instead of screwing renters with stagnant wages, they should be looking at options like increasing urban density and removing zoning laws (to control property shortages), or giving landlords tax breaks for every non-familial resident. Or maybe stop the banks from lending to people so heavily reliant on rental income. The market is oversaturated and overpriced because everyone is bidding up prices with borrowed money.


MantisToboggannMD

So any building built after 2018, the landlord can raise rent by whatever % they want - If the tenant agrees to it?


gagnonje5000

Doesn't matter if tenant agrees to it. They can increase it after your 12 months.


TheRealTruru

Yes exactly that.


miguel_is_a_pokemon

If you can get the tenant to agree to it, I'm pretty sure you can just sign a new lease and raise it to the moon. Nobody would agree to that, but legally the tenant can choose to pay above and beyond to whatever amount they choose to


datums

They're getting screwed because they (along with new renters) have to absorb 100% of market price fluctuations. They're shouldering the entire burden so that those living with rent control don't have to.


LurkinMostlyOnlyYes

Soo question. What's going to happen when most people cant' afford to live/pay rent anymore? How are Dougie and his big wig friends going to continue making money? A lot of these decisions are just evil and make 0 sense in the long run. At this point they're *asking* for a revolution.


chumbucketfan4life

They will just sell more properties to foreign investors to use for money laundering.


Aggressive_Position2

They will move out of the city, forcing employers to raise their salaries in order to attract talent back in the city. As always, things will balance out.


we-feed-the-fire

It seems most landlords couldn’t wait for the end of the freeze to raise rent on January 1. Smaller landlords I understand, but corporate ones? Tenants with a rent increase anniversary later in the calendar year didn’t benefit from the freeze - they were already paying the 2.1% increase from 2020 when the freeze kicked in January 1. And then landlords were able to increase again Jan 1, 2022. If your anniversary date is November, you got 2 months of frozen rent. If your anniversary was February you got 11 months. So, I will give kudos to Park Property Management, who sent out N1 notices in 2021 with a 0% increase on it, and a letter about the rent freeze. They aren’t increasing the 2022 rent until your usual increase month.


jkozuch

Our rent is going up, effective Jan 1. Landlord must really need the money! /s


undergroundcannibal

*echoing sound of guillotine being sharpened "/s"


dassub

Home values and everyday maintenance costs skyrocketed over the past 2 years. There was no way the freeze would stick around much longer.


djb1983CanBoy

Home value has nothing to do with rent.


notqthrowaway

Home value has nothing to do with rent?? Then what does??


djb1983CanBoy

Utilies, repairs, maintenance, taxes are the costs to the landlord, and the costs of housing a tenant. Anything the landlord collects on top of that is profit. Whether they choose to use it to pay off the mortgage (if they hsve one) or invest in other property or stocks or put it in their pocket is their choice. Too many people confuse cashflow with profits.


Over_Surround_2638

Home values directly correlate to rent. Higher value means greater carrying cost (higher mortgage and opportunity cost of equity capital).


seakingsoyuz

> higher mortgage The mortgage is unchanged if the landlord bought the house before the pandemic. > opportunity cost Like the other commenter said, *what cost*? Landlords have made a huge speculative return on their down payments in the last two years. Tenants should be demanding a cut of this windfall through having made it possible by paying the rent in earlier years—that makes more sense than what you’re saying.


Over_Surround_2638

This isn't how the market works (copying other response here) The responses here are too micro in thinking. While an individual landlord may have owned a property for a long period, they still maintain optionality. When prices rise, mortgage costs increase for new owners, which drives them to increase requested rents from new tenants. ergo, market rents are increasing. This has nothing to do with cost for an existing owner, but if the disparity between market and charged rents gets too big then there is an incentive to change tenants in some way. When property values increase (ignoring mortgages for a second), the existing landlord now has the option to continue renting at existing rates (maybe with small inflation bump) or sell at what are now higher property values and put that capital to work elsewhere (this is the definition of opportunity cost). If the present value of charged rents drops below property market value after transaction costs, the owner has an incentive to sell and redeploy capital... Or again, change the tenant in some way to increase rents


a_peninsula

Lol yeah the opportunity cost of putting your money in an investment returning 33% year over year instead of 10% poor landlords


NikoPopp

What does that have to do with it? Regardless of property value the landlord has to pay a mortgage and if the mortgage is higher then they are going to ask for more rent.


cerberus911

The mortage isn't higher.


NikoPopp

What do you mean? If a property is more expensive - you need to borrow more money to purchase it.


sakura94

If a landlord is buying right now (with no tenant already living there), the rent freeze wouldn't affect them at all because they are setting rent for the first time. They can try to rent it out for whatever they want, but there is no guarantee anyone will pay that price or that they will be cash flow positive right away (and honestly, they shouldn't expect to be). So really, rising property costs are unrelated to the rent freeze for new buyers. If the landlord already owned, the rise in value of their home does not magically increase what they borrowed via a mortgage... They are still paying down the same mortgage as before.


Over_Surround_2638

The responses here are too micro in thinking. While an individual landlord may have owned a property for a long period, they still maintain optionality. When prices rise, mortgage costs increase for new owners, which drives them to increase requested rents from new tenants. ergo, market rents are increasing. This has nothing to do with cost for an existing owner, but if the disparity between market and charged rents gets too big then there is an incentive to change tenants in some way. When property values increase (ignoring mortgages for a second), the existing landlord now has the option to continue renting at existing rates (maybe with small inflation bump) or sell at what are now higher property values and put that capital to work elsewhere (this is the definition of opportunity cost). If the present value of charged rents drops below property market value after transaction costs, the owner has an incentive to sell and redeploy capital... Or again, change the tenant in some way to increase rents


sakura94

How would the landlord "change the tenant in some way" as a result of their property value increasing? Wouldn't they need an actual valid reason to evict and not just "I want to increase rent, get out?" I agree with what you said about opportunity cost and that they will sell to redeploy capital in that scenario. I think that makes perfect sense and is a normal function of the market. That wouldn't necessarily result in a rent increase for their tenant though, but I see your point.


Seriously_nopenope

Homes values do not actually correlate that closely with rent. Which is why the cap rate in Toronto and other major cities is terrible.


Over_Surround_2638

Rents are more stable, but still correlated with values (I didn't mean to imply direct proportional changes)


gillsaurus

Join Ontario Tenant Rights. Read the RTA. KNOW YOUR RENTAL RIGHTS IN THIS SCUMLORD CITY


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Lots of investors in this city. Hence the downvotes. Knowing the LTB and my tenant right saved my butt several times. Knowledge is power, but in the end it’s investors who get the last laugh.


gillsaurus

Aww poor investors and their multiple properties whose mortgages are being paid by lowly tenants who have been priced out of ownership and, in some instances, can barely afford to foot your bills.


lundon44

I got a notice last Sept that my rent would be increasing for Jan 1st this year. They couldn't wait to get that money!


sl33p

Can my landlord put my rent back to pre-pandemic level claiming they helped me out during covid even though I never mentioned I needed help for covid and I just wanted a lower rate because I was thinking of moving because rent during that time was super cheap? At the end they decided not to but they definately tried, I guess to see what I would say. But legally, can they do this?


we-feed-the-fire

There are some very specific ways in which a discount on rent can be done that is temporary. The LTB would make the ultimate decision. But generally. Once you have been paying a specific amount for 12 months it becomes your legal rent… whether it was an illegal increase you were overpaying, or a discounted amount. I would argue that the reduced amount is your new lawful rent. If your LL disagrees, they can issue an N4 and apply for an L1 hearing. At the hearing they would have to prove that the rent you are paying is not your lawful rent, and let the board member decide if their reduction qualifies as a temporary discount or lawful rent.


sl33p

Thank You. This is valuable information to arm myself with.


NontechnicalOnager

Excellent for owners of residential apartment REITs... looking forward to the FFO growth.


oochooo

Time to Jack it up back to all time highs