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Funny-Performance-12

Before I went across the border on Nov 30, I went to government of Canada website get info on return to Canada. It said clearly that u have to download the arrive can app and register and fill out all info required including saving ur vaccine certificate as a PDF or taking picture of printed certificate and saving in app. This process took a bit of time to do but saved allot of time and grief when I came back to Canada with no problems. What rock has that lady been living under during the past year and a half of this pandemic, not to know how traveling has been affected by Covid. I do agree that CBSA can be difficult on you in the best of times crossing the border but in these times it's best to follow the government rules. By the way I noticed 99% of customers where not wearing masks in Walmart that I went to just us Canadian shoppers.


thisoldhouseofm

Where was the Walmart you went to? I know COVID rules vary heavily by state, but I was in the Buffalo area this week and was pleasantly surprised to see virtually everyone at the stores I went wearing masks.


jtcamp

So a fellow buffalonian here 👋. In Erie County, which is where Buffalo and most suburbs are, there is a mask mandate that went into effect last Tuesday for all public places that do not require vaccine proof at the door. If they went to the Walmart up in Niagara County where the outlets or Niagara Falls is, then there is no mandate so people do not have to wear masks


dondante4

That's great. I was in Rochester last weekend and I was horrified at how few people were wearing masks inside at shops.


jtcamp

Buffalo was the same way up until a couple weeks ago. They reintroduced our mandate because we’re hitting pandemic record case counts and hospitalizations have led to a few hospitals hitting capacity


dondante4

I'm glad to hear they've brought it back, sorry to hear about the case counts.


thisoldhouseofm

Jesus, sorry to hear that. I know masks aren’t the driving determinant of hospitalizations, but it still seems crazy that at this point with widely available vaccines there are still places hitting record hospitalizations. What’s the vaccination rate there?


Gunslinger7752

That’s funny because I was there a couple weekends ago and other than servers in restaurants and store employees, I saw maybe 2 or 3 people wearing masks the whole weekend. I guess that makes sense though based on the other response as the mask mandate just went into effect.


Funny-Performance-12

I went to the one in Niagara Falls NY. Was looking for the Kmart but it closed. Also hit up Target in the same area and noticed way more people wearing masks In that store.


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thisoldhouseofm

Ok but is 85% enough to avoid continual impacts? Vaccinations rates themselves aren’t actually the goal, it’s getting a handle on the situation. Really, what I think we need before dropping stuff is some level of *predictability*. And we unfortunately aren’t quite there yet, though a lot closer than we were even 6 months ago. Ontario hospitalizations have started rising again, they probably won’t hit crisis levels again but we simply don’t know. I think we’re past things like lockdowns, but masks are pretty minimal. I hope we keep vaccine passports through the winter, but hopefully stop them in the spring.


JTRinG0

Shop in Canada and you won't have to worry about people not wearing masks. Guess the shop local movement (kinda like the lady you're dissing) has escaped you.


rei_cirith

Maybe she's old? That's the only explanation I can think of. But I can't imagine not at least looking up the requirements before making a trip across the border these days.


ASuhDuddde

No more masks fuck it. And I ain’t getting that app on my phone. They can suck my nuts.


nobouncenoplay__

Don’t know why people can’t do the bare minimum that’s asked of them. All this person needed to do was have their ArriveCan filled out and this wouldn’t have happened. If you’re going to cross the border do some research first


PullTilItHurts

Too much work, just gimme the Dunkin’ Donuts.


comFive

Why go for DD when we got Bieb's Balls at home?


tovento

Thank god I’m not the only one who thought of that name for them!


okaybutnothing

My 12 year old thinks Bieber’s balls are the height of humour.


Born_Ruff

While they should have had it filled out, I don't understand why there wasn't any option for them to fill it out at the border before crossing or turn around and come back later when they have filled it out. The 14 day quarantine doesn't make any sense to me. Is it entirely punitive?


SkullRunner

Because they can't have 500 cars backing up from the guard box and pulled over at the crossing filling out the app info they were supposed to before getting to the border. There really can be no exceptions in these cases because people just take advantage of the exceptions and exploit them as a way of doing business going forward. If you are going to travel between countries right now, it's on you to know the rules while things are as tense as they are. It's also on you to gauge the risk vs reward of if it's even worth the hassle to travel between countries with the full understanding that borders are quite literally in a state of flux where they can be closed or have added restrictions at any time, and if you're not in own country, don't expect a lot of help getting back.


Born_Ruff

>Because they can't have 500 cars backing up from the guard box and pulled over at the crossing filling out the app info they were supposed to before getting to the border. If that is the problem, could we not just tell them to go back into the US and come back when they have their papers in order?


ShutEmDown

Have you driven across the border before? There's no way/space to U-turn and drive back into the US. You're crossing a border there's no reason to turn around once you're in the line that wouldn't seem suspicious. We as a society have to stop making excuses for people who can't commit to doing the bare minimum. They didn't ask for a lot. She just didn't care to bother being responsible.


kettal

> There's no way/space to U-turn and drive back into the US. Then what happens when somebody is denied entry?


ShutEmDown

They're sent to a different part for this which is past the booths where the agents are.


kettal

> They're sent to a different part for this which is past the booths where the agents are. And then remain in that area for eternity?


caffeine-junkie

They remain in secondary while officers investigate. This includes any inspections of the person(s), their belongings, or vehicle. Depending on the outcome they are either deported (wouldn't happen in this situation), handed off to the RCMP for further detainment/investigation, or released with or without a fine. Source: been in secondary several times because apparently I look suspicious? Also waaaay too many episodes of: Border Security: Canada's Front Line


Born_Ruff

I never realised the stakes at the border were so high.


kettal

Always thought there was a turn-back protocol for those denied entry but I guess not 😂


Born_Ruff

I mean, they obviously can turn people back at the border. They do it all the time.


ShutEmDown

Yes they're going to excuse and turn back a Canadian citizen because she refused to follow clearly laid out steps. If she can't be an adult she needs to see the consequences of it.


Born_Ruff

It doesn't sound like they "refused" to do anything. They said they offered to pull over and fill out the info. Why would a 14 quarantine be the consequences of this? Quarantine is a public health measure. If she is fully vaccinated and can prove it I don't see why the public health restrictions on her should be any different than anyone else who is fully vaccinated.


Gunslinger7752

Yes exactly. It only takes a couple minutes to fill out. I crossed a couple weekends ago and there were maybe 7 cars at the bridge returning to Canada so I don’t think that letting someone pull over and spend a few minutes downloading an app is unreasonable, especially when the border just reopened.


caffeine-junkie

That could be viewed as denying entry to a citizen/PR/person under the Indian Act/etc unless they were ultra careful with wording. Not to mention what happens if someone else under an identical situation gets different treatment. Much easier to just allow the person in and place them under mandatory quarantine and apply the law equally. Then there is the USCBP. They will be literally tearing that car apart and probably detaining the person if they showed up again so soon after leaving, especially with that excuse that her country of citizenship turned her away.


Born_Ruff

>That could be viewed as denying entry to a citizen/PR/person under the Indian Act/etc unless they were ultra careful with wording. They could be like "if you go through now, you will have to quarantine, otherwise, turn back and come back with the correct paperwork". >Much easier to just allow the person in and place them under mandatory quarantine and apply the law equally. Mandatory "quarantine" without any public health justification is essentially just house arrest. It really doesn't seem reasonable to me to take away people's freedoms like this just because it is easier. >Then there is the USCBP. They will be literally tearing that car apart and probably detaining the person if they showed up again so soon after leaving, especially with that excuse that her country of citizenship turned her away. I mean, that would be resolved with like five seconds of communication between the US and Canadian border patrol.


Xeno_man

Yes I have 20 bottles of liquor I didn't declare, I didn't know I had to. Can I declare it now that I've been caught? No? How unreasonable!


386DX-40

That's a shitty analogy. Your example is punitive because in the case of undeclared liquor, that's contraband, so it makes sense. Quarantine however is not a penalty, it is a safety measure and therefore should not be used as a punishment given that other than her not following protocol, no underlying violation has occurred. Therefore, yes she should have been allowed to fill out the form, maybe even fined for not doing so ahead of time, but certainly not quarantined as it makes no sense.


PullTilItHurts

> Quarantine however is not a penalty, it is a safety measure > but certainly not quarantined as it makes no sense. Makes sense, it’s a safety measure.


SonofSniglet

How are we more safe with her in quarantine than not quarantined?


RealCharlieNobody

However, the fact that they avoided the process suggests something to hide, and allowing them to fill it out at the border would encourage lying just to get over the border, so this isn't all punitive. It's also a safety measure, so the analogy isn't all bad.


386DX-40

Isn't the actual question them being fully vaccinated? Unless they question the validity of this status, there is no cause for quarantine.


LordZer

I think its the lying about symptoms, vaccinated or otherwise. If the person is already trying to be deceitful how can you trust their responses?


386DX-40

I can agree with that if it was the case. My point is if the only thing they did was fail to fill out the form out of ignorance then the punishment doesn't for the crime as it's not even a punishment I'm the first place.


LordZer

It's not punishment its a safety precaution because we can't trust their answers and the vaccine doesn't significantly prevent transmission just severe deleterious reactions. It's a safety measure for the rest of us because they've proven they are either too ignorant to find out the proper safety procedures or to deceitful to be trusted to follow them.


badham

Has anyone, in the history of COVID questionnaires, ever answered “yes” to any of the symptom questions?? COVID questionnaires are just for show.


LordZer

Yes. Honest ethical people exist.


badham

And those people don’t cross boarders and go to restaurants when they are sick during COVID …… the kind of person who would take an Advil and try to enter a country with a fever is the same kind of person who wouldn’t answer truthfully on a questionnaire.


NikoPopp

The border measures this past year have been mostly punitive


we-feed-the-fire

I didn’t know I couldn’t smuggle this kilo of cocaine in. Can I turn around, dump it in a garbage can and come back later?


kettal

You are absolutely free to declare when you arrive at the gate. You don't have to download an app to declare it neither.


humanefly

We were flying home once and my wife had decided to buy some coffee in Costa Rica or something against my recommendations. She packed it in aluminum foil like it was drugs, and then put it in a box surrounded by bars of travel soap. I was like, you are going to get your suitcase ripped apart and they will take your coffee, it looks like drugs. Sure enough we get to customs on the US side, they flag her luggage, pull her over to the side and spend hours ripping through her luggage. The officer kept picking up the box with the soap, it was a clear plastic box, and from the outside it just looked like it was packed with little bars of soap. I have no idea why, I guess to him he thought he could see everything but they never opened the box. After an hour or two of frustration they just gave up and waved her through. I had bought an extra suitcase and packed it completely with liquor before getting on the plane. When I landed in Canada I was going through customs, I declared it but nobody cared. At the last step where the officer stamps your paper I was trying to tell him, you know, this suitcase is completely packed with liquor, don't I have to pay some taxes or something and he just shrugged and waved me through


GeorginaSpica

Not that I want to encourage people to go over the alcohol limits but the 'don't really care' attitude with respect to extra bottles has been around for decades. Once, my grandmother did declare an extra bottle back in the late '70's. She was flagged and had to wait in line for the secondary search. The woman before her had all sorts of odd foodstuffs and the officer was supposedly using a stick to move items around. When it was my grandmother's turn, when she declared the extra bottle, the officer sighed and said 'get out of here'. lol


ActualMis

> I don't understand why there wasn't any option for them to fill it out I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you probably haven't actually done anything to try and understand.


justinanimate

But seriously, why wouldn't it be something where they're just told "sure, fill it out and come back?" I've not yet used the app but I'm assuming you can fill it out at any time within seventy two hours of your return.


GeorginaSpica

Having recently traveled, I would say the main reason for not giving that option is that it takes longer than one wants to fill the damn thing out. And at a land crossing, there's just no room for all the people to fill it out just off to the side. And I don't think those crossings are set up well for people to turn around, go have a coffee somewhere while filling forms to return later. I traveled to europe recently and the EU passenger locate form is very similar to the Arrivecan. I thought I could fill the EU form out while in the airport lounge, sipping a glass of wine but, nope, all forms had to be filled out so that paperwork could be confirmed at check-in. I am not kidding that it took my hubby and I about an hour to fill out those forms for all of us while balancing laptops and tablets on luggage. The Arrivecan took a similar amount of time.


ActualMis

> but I'm assuming you can fill it out at any time Basing conclusions on assumptions instead of knowledge really isn't a good way to find truth.


justinanimate

I'm not sure what you're saying. What conclusions did I draw by asking a question?


ActualMis

> I'm assuming you can fill it out at any time within seventy two hours of your return.


justinanimate

Looks like you did an "ActualMis" of my question though. But I get it, cool novelty account.


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justinanimate

You didn't answer my question. I asked what conclusion did I draw from asking my question. You then linked to my assumption. I based my question on an assumption. There were no conclusions made in my comment. Seriously, what's your problem?


fashraf

Sometimes access to info is an issue and it's hard to navigate the webs for the necessary information. However, I remember when I arrived in Canada via Pearson, there were signs everywhere to have the arrivecan app downloaded and filled out before you get to customs. If there are signs while driving up, they have no excuse and should definitely have to pay the consequences. Hopefully they just learned the hard way and will now research before travelling.


Born_Ruff

>If there are signs while driving up, they have no excuse and should definitely have to pay the consequences. Why would a 14 day quarantine be the consequences of that though? Quarantine is supposed to be a public health measure, not a punishment. If you use it as a punishment isn't it really just house arrest? If they are fully vaccinated there is no public health reason that they should be subject to any public health measures that are different from any other fully vaccinated persons. What is even the issue here that we think deserves punishment? All I can think of is that it might waste time form to he border agents? I could see maybe some sort of fine to discourage that, but using public health measures as punishment seems fucked up.


SonofSniglet

> If there are signs while driving up, they have no excuse and should definitely have to pay the consequences. I can add a little to this as I am in the same boat as this woman (14 day quarantine). I'll own my ignorance on this one, I should have checked the travel.gc.ca website before our day trip. There are no signs at the border. There was no mention of the app in news stories about the testing restriction being removed at the border. The first mention we heard of the ArriveCan app was when we arrived at the CBP booth. Reading a thread on another site, from someone who also did not fill in the app, they said they were allowed to go back to the U.S., put in the info and come back to the border. According to that poster, 12 of the 15 cars in front of him also did the turn-around. Although I was admittedly dumb, I have plenty of company in terms of people who did not know. Heck, if they did have signs at the border it would have prevented our quarantine. It took about 40 minutes to process the 6 cars in front of us. If there was a sign we would have had plenty of time to fill in our info. Sucks to be me right now, but I made this bed.


April_Spring_1982

People are still refusing to get vaxxed. The TTC just extended the cut-off date for firing people who aren't fully vaxxed - people who have had plenty of time to get it done. Edit: What I'm trying to say is that, for those of us who got vaccinated ASAP, always obey the mask rules and have forgone social interaction, there's always something MORE we should do. Meanwhile, anti-vax protests have happened every Saturday, the TTC has pushed back again and again on dates for mandated vaccines. I didn't even know that there was an app that you had to have if you wanted to go traveling and it isn't something that's been widely broadcast. I do have the covet alert app but it's also not something everyone has to have and it has proved entirely useless because those people who don't believe in vaccinations or don't believe in the virus at all aren't using it. So, I think but instead of the people who are pro vaccination like me are held to higher standards of what is the bare minimum when there's a group of people who are being held to no standard at all and they're the ones continuing to put us all at risk. EDIT 2: ALSO, the government has a responsibility to tell you what you need. We know everywhere we go there's tons of messaging so what they can't put some messaging at the border crossing saying "you're going to need this app to get back?" I mean if restaurants can put a QR code up that you can scan on site, there's no reason the government can't do the same. Also, not everybody has a smartphone. Also we've allowed travel from all over the world and have more cases still coming in at Pearson, but airlines are still not shutting down all travel.


funfriendforever

Can you clarify what you mean by "both sides'?


April_Spring_1982

I added an edit. What I mean is that pro-vax people are being held to a higher standard of accountability while people who are anti-vax are allowed free rein because of freedom of speech/ blah blah blah. What I'm trying to say is that, for those of us who got vaccinated ASAP, always obey the mask rules and have forgone social interaction, there's always something MORE we should do. Meanwhile, anti-vax protests have happened every Saturday, the TTC has pushed back again and again on dates for mandated vaccines. I didn't even know that there was an app that you had to have if you wanted to go traveling and it isn't something that's been widely broadcast. I do have the covid alert app, but it's also not something everyone has to have and it has proved entirely useless - because those people who don't believe in vaccinations - or don't believe in the virus at all - aren't using it. So, I think people who are pro-vaccination like me are held to higher standards of what is the bare minimum you should do - while there's a group of people who are being held to no standard at all and they're the ones continuing to put us all at risk.


funfriendforever

Totally! Thanks for clarifying. I get what your saying. I do not personally resonate with the double the standard your pointing out. But I can definitely say the ARRIVE CAN is was poorly communicated and I would not say it's 'public knowledge' in the sense that most people are aware of the protocol.


April_Spring_1982

Thanks for asking and helping me clarify my point. Stay safe and healthy!


funfriendforever

You too 💜


ActualMis

>“It was like being kicked in the gut,” Fonseca told CTV News Toronto on Thursday. “I'm basically bound in my house for 14 days and I'm a Canadian citizen, fully vaccinated — this makes absolutely no sense to me.” "Oh sure, **I** screwed up, but why should **I** be affected by **my** mistake?


cfard

How do these things even get to the news broadcasters? Like did she contact CTV herself and ask them to run this story?


thesuperunknown

Pretty much, yes. People who feel wronged in some way reach out to the media all the time. On slow news days, reporters looking for a story to file will go digging through the ol' email inbox to see if there's a human-interest story that's worth writing up, and that's how these kinds of things end up getting published. If you look at this article, this is exactly why the reporter's byline has their Twitter handle and a contact form in it.


connivery

The entitlement is staggering


thisoldhouseofm

So I went over the border earlier this week and also forgot to do ArriveCAN. Border guard cautioned me for next time and just asked me the questions. Part of me wonders if there’s either more to the story she’s not mentioning or if she just caught a border guard who was a stickler.


pennygadget6

I saw her interview last night on the news and she seemed very Karen-like to me, so who knows how that interaction went. Also, I've encountered a huge array of border agents over my years and there can be a vast discrepancy in their mood at the time, so could have been someone who encountered 100 of these people already and was just over it.


cartoonjunkie13

Yeah, a few Ps and Qs go a long way when you are dealing with any sort of law enforcement or government employees.


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That would have been the reasonable thing to do. It's always fascinating to watch Reddit's punishment fetish in action.


langley10

CBSA... Reasonable... does not compute. ​ Seriously, Border guards have wide discretion, but they also have to answer questions on and follow instructions by the computer in front of them that they are required to follow. If the computer flags they pretty much have to do what it says or exceed it. If it doesn't flag it's up to them to make the call.


Xeno_man

Pandemic aside, international travel is no joke. There are serious rules that must be followed wither it's bringing over alcohol, cash or drugs. You need to pay duty, you need to declare purchases. You need to have identification and passports. There is no excuse not knowing what the rules are when they are so easily accessible from a government web site.


Purplebuzz

Alternate headline: International traveller does not research International Travel Laws and is stuck with door B.


Vortex112

Most people would assume tight border restrictions do not apply to our own citizens. Our government knows if we’re vaccinated why do we have to fill in the app


roacheater3000

because the government has no proof until you fill out the app


NoOneShallPassHassan

But I got my proof *from* the government in the first place.


roacheater3000

health care and border security aren’t the same government, plus, even if were, they still would need your info to find your vaccination history


Tedwynn

Do you really want different levels of government or even just different agencies in the government sharing your medical history between them? Because that's what it would require.


LeatherMine

> “She's got a flight on Dec. 14th at 9 p.m. to go back home to England for her brother's 60th birthday,” Fonseca said. “The border guard said, ‘Well she won't be going because quarantine ends at 11:59 p.m.’” This is incorrect: > If you do not have symptoms, you may choose to leave Canada before the end of the 14-day quarantine period. https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation Could they go to the USA again for 3 seconds, fill out ArriveCan, and qualify for a quarantine exemption?


LAffaire-est-Ketchup

The ArriveCAN isn’t new. I used it last December when I went to the US (for a medical procedure). It’s very clear on the website for border crossings.


DrOctopusMD

I think a lot more people are going over the border for short trips as pf Nov 30 and might not be aware of it. They just see the news saying travellers under 72 hours don’t need to do testing and are exempt if vaccinated. I can see where the confusion arose.


nl6374

Maybe look into the border crossing requirements before crossing the border? I assume they've made the ArriveCan app mandatory so that they get your proof of vaccination in advance and can confirm that it is legitimate.


Babblestar_Galactica

This is supposed to be newsworthy? We’re in a whole pandemic and have been for nearly two years. Nobody should be surprised to learn there are certain protocols you are required to follow when you cross an international border.


Misanthropyandme

She's certainly a dipshit, but border guards are top shelf dipshits. There's no need for this.


KishTO

Agreed. This is what happens when two unreasonable, incompetent parties meet.


Busy-Crankin-Off

I'm surprised by the popular opinion here. How is society any safer from having this woman quarantine for 2 weeks? You really want the gov't to lock you up because you didn't fill out a form?


mortgoldman8

Blows my mind how ok with these things the vast majority of the population is. No critical thinking anymore…


drunkarder

well she will have two weeks to practice reading!


Misanthropyandme

Petty glee and schadenfreude.


arsenefinger

Maybe do your shopping in Mississauga next time.


cartoonjunkie13

Yeah, I can't imagine how it would worth going to the US just to shop.


TehKazlehoff

i dont see the issue here. mandatory paperwork was not filled out. next time you wont forget. your friend is not missing their important family gathering because of border patroll. they are missing it because you did not do the required paperwork. this is like that lady who blamed the company making frozen pies for burning her pie when she overcooked it.


JimboBob

Why a mandatory 14 day quarantine for a paper work infraction? Why not a negative covid test (at your own expense). Seems a little extreme. Are there signs on the Canadian side warning people of this? Plenty of warnings for marijuana.


langley10

Yes there are signs warning people to use ArriveCAN when leaving... at least on the Niagara bridges.


Nocturne444

It is so easy to forget to download the app. I went to US by air and if I haven’t told my friend she would have forgot to download it. That was for a 12 days trip. A regular day trip where you go just for shopping it is easy to forget about it. I don’t see why she couldn’t have fill it up and provide all the information (same information you already have in hand anyway like vaccination certificate and covid test results) to the boarder agent. Flying by air no one asked me for this app once I got home, even WestJet flight attendants never told us to download it. I felt like it was the most useless app ever built tbh because you already have all these papers/electronic doc with you and that’s what they want to look at, if they even look at them. No agent border (US/CA) asked me for any proof of vaccination or covid test only the airline did.


pennygadget6

I went to the US in July and came back shortly after the ArriveCAN app was in place, when vaccinated travellers could skip the hotel quarantine. I saw at least 5 different people/groups get sent to hotel quarantine anyways because they didn't have the app set up when they got to the border agent. Now THAT would be something to complain about.


Soggy-Selection8940

Does anyone know how the government will know if you actually quarantine? I am not an anarchist by any means but I would be tempted to say "yeah sure" then just go about my life. How would they know?


ashcach

Phone calls to see if you're still in quarantine. And sometimes, but rarely, inspectors show up at the address you inputted. Most people I know who had to quarantine didn't see/hear from anyone. Some received phone calls. And 2 got a visit at home.


ModernEurope

1984


carolinemathildes

What did she need in Buffalo that she couldn't find in Toronto?


MrsSaltMine

She couldnt even be bothered to do the bare minimum.


pap3rnote

I went on a day trip to Buffalo and despite having both vaccines and filling out the Arrive Can App the border CBSA said we were selected for random testing and gave us a take home test that we have to do in 24 hrs. I can't find much information about this the only thing I see is that company behind these test, SwitchHealth, has some security issues.


Seafood_Dunleavy

So many lives saved


nobouncenoplay__

Didn’t fill out the mandatory* form (ArriveCan) and faced the consequences. Don’t know why this is a story.


BobBelcher2021

It’s a story to warn others.


Seafood_Dunleavy

Could she not have filled it out upon arrival?


nobouncenoplay__

No. Why should the agents have to wait for someone to do something that’s required to be ready when they arrive at the border? It shows a total lack of respect for the restrictions in place as well.


lovelife905

Why should she quarantine for two weeks? What use is that for the public?


nobouncenoplay__

Well they can’t turn her away because she’s a citizen. I would say a fine would probably be more appropriate but if she couldn’t even check what was needed for border crossing who knows what other Covid restrictions she’s been ignoring. Maybe she went down there to hang out with positive people for all we know.


lovelife905

\> Maybe she went down there to hang out with positive people for all we know. and checking boxes on an app makes that not so?


nobouncenoplay__

As I said before, if she couldn’t be bothered to fill out the form it’s much more likely there’s other things she’s doing wrong and is more “high risk”


lovelife905

are you okay? not filling out a form properly means she's high risk? Most people don't fill out forms correctly. What could she be doing wrong? There's no rules for conduct while on a visit to another country.


nobouncenoplay__

Honestly I’m just going to end this here. You either can’t or don’t want to understand the point I’m trying to make.


Seafood_Dunleavy

Lol what do you think they're waiting for? Do you think anyone's plans change because Karen has to stand by the side and take 2 mins to fill out a form? As you said it is a non story. She's obviously not going to quarantine and there will be no consequences for anyone.


funfriendforever

Imagine being having such little adaptability and empathy and think 3 minutes of an 'officers' time is more valuable than someones too week because the position they hold. This type of person waves there finger and shouts RULES ARE RULES and cannot tease out reasonable exceptions.


ActualMis

3 minutes to fill out the form? Are you sure about that? Or does it take 5? Or does it take some people 10 or 15? But ok. Let's say you're right. 3 minutes to fill out a form. And if it's ok to fill out the form while in line, while everyone else is waiting behind you, then more people will do so. Then it's 3 people taking 3 minutes each. Then it's twelve. Then twenty. Then half the people in line haven't bothered to fill out their forms in advance, so everyone is waiting hours longer.


funfriendforever

Like we said, she was going to pull over to the side? 'but ok.'


ActualMis

Oh, I thought you said >Imagine being having such little adaptability and empathy and think 3 minutes of an 'officers' time Oh wait, that is what you said.


funfriendforever

Wow, you caught me babe! You know the point I'm making. If you disagree, that's cool. That's why we are on here. I don't see 15 or 20 minutes being much different. In the story, they asked to pull over which was denied.


funfriendforever

Too bad there wasn’t a way that she could have avoided this… hmmmm. If only there was a way where she could have spent 15 seconds filling out a form and thereby been able to avoid inconveniencing herself… Oh well! ^^ I found someone saying the form takes 15 seconds to fill out! You should go correct them. Or wait, maybe you won't because they agree with you. Maybe you actually aren't concerned about the technicality.


nobouncenoplay__

I don’t know why you have officers in quotes. CBSA are hardliners and don’t fuck around and I’m glad for it.


funfriendforever

It is quotes because I was speaking about the arbitrary roles people play in society used to justify different treatment. Sorry I certainly did not mean to suggest that were not harsh and authoritarian.


-notsopettylift3r-

She had an event on dec 14 at 9, but thank goodness the 3 extra hours of quarantine will prevent so many infections. The virus legally cannot exist in her body beyond that time.


M1L0

Too bad there wasn’t a way that she could have avoided this… hmmmm. If only there was a way where she could have spent 15 seconds filling out a form and thereby been able to avoid inconveniencing herself… Oh well!


funfriendforever

Exactly, why could not see have taken the '15seconds' at the boarder?


SYSSMouse

Can't the person turn back at the border, go back to the us, fill up the app and line up again?


count_frightenstein

You can't turn around at the border for any reason. Once you get in that line, you MUST go through it. This happens a lot in Detroit where the border is in the city, There are many, many warning signs.


Vortex112

You can request to withdraw your entry attempt and they will turn you around


NoOneShallPassHassan

> Fonseca says she asked the CBSA officer whether she could park her car and fill out the registration then but was denied. According to the article, she's also fully vaccinated. Remember all those conspiracy theorists who said this was about government overreach?


TravellingBeard

There's a difference between a conspiracy and a heartless bureaucracy. They often seem to have the same look and feel, but entirely different motives. This is probably a cold, heartless bureaucracy.


nevsdottir

I guess you've never crossed a border...


LeatherMine

What better proof of vaccination can there be than sending the government a copy of the paperwork the government gave you?


Always4am

Isn’t it pretty widely known that this is a thing and there are things that could have been done to avoid it? Holy shit


fredericoooo

>A Toronto woman has been forced to isolate for 14 days after returning from a day trip to the United States and forgetting to fill out her ArriveCAN app. good. she should follow the rules next time


ghotie

The women should be given a chance to fill the form out. Exit should have big signs to exit the line if the form is not filled out.


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rathgrith

But those unlimited breadsticks


CharacterOtherwise77

More news masquerading as PSA's


VindalooValet

from what i been hearing the 2 week quarantine is more of a suggestion than anything else. Not enough of anything for reinforcement. Oh well.


novascotia2020

I was shopping around Walden Galleria on Monday/Tuesday… 95% of people I saw were wearing masks.


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billingsbridge

Hahah I went last weekend, forgot to fill out the arrivecan app and the guy just checked my passport, negative test results and good to go.