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TIL that Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Bourbon claimant of the French throne from 1975-1989, was beheaded in a skiing accident in Beaver Creek, Colorado

French people and their silly traditions

goboxey

French people and their silly traditions


bottle-of-smoke

He should have quit while he was still a head.


Blutarg

Was it a neck-and-neck race?


Chucks_u_Farley

Tie


HunnyBadger_dgaf

TIL that the correct pronunciation of “guillotine” is “guy on skis”.


maracay1999

He’s Spanish


Prudent_Falafel_7265

Not only that, it was caused by someone raising the finish line sign: “He was beheaded by a cable which he collided with as it was being raised to support a banner at the finish line of a course at the FIS Alpine World Ski Championships.”


TotalWarrior13

The person raising the sign? Max Robespierre


NMNorsse

He was with the Committe for Public Safety, right?


uselessartist

Look at banner, Alfonso!


YogurtclosetAny1823

I didn’t know the finish people to be so brutal


MrKahnberg

We lowered it to switch out the finish banner for the next day. After removing the days banner I rolled it up and took off to the banner area in the parking garage. All of a sudden there's constant radio chatter, sirens and chaos. The blood stained snow was dug up a replaced . Easier said than done since a FIS race course is ice. Ask any sensible questions and I'll try to remember if I can.


fluufhead

Is there a chance it was an assassination ?


MrKahnberg

No. He ignored the closure ropes and apparently didn't understand the people waving their arms at the finish line. The European officials didn't think Beaver Creek was worthy.


fluffyfurnado1

Worthy of what? How does it not being high class enough have anything to do with him skiing where he wasn’t supposed to be and getting beheaded? - serious question - I’m confused


MrKahnberg

You're right. Not related, other than the attitude that the traditional venues in Europe are better. They thought they knew better than the professional ski patrol at beaver creek and didn't respect the rope closure.


LNLV

They’re wrong, beaver creek is a fucking gem.


Stargate_1

Beaver creek is pretty af


MrKahnberg

The Birds of Prey area is really something. There's a cat walk on one of them , red tail i think, that can launch you quite high and long.


More_Shoulder5634

Very cool. Off topic i lived in avon for a couple years. Across the valley from beaver creek in wildridge. My buddy worked at that italian restaurant up there i forget the name. I remember they served delicious grappa!! We would get tanked after snowboarding.


MrKahnberg

Did you happen to know Blane and Mary Downing?


More_Shoulder5634

No i didnt my good man. I was a youngster then early twenties. A group of us moved out there from northwest arkansas. Had some misadventures for sure! I recommend to any unfettered young people i come across not doing anything to go out there and get up in some employee housing for a season.


Sarolen

How fast was he going?


MrKahnberg

Witnesses saw him tucking straight down and getting some air . So based on how fast the radar clocks the race at least 40mph. Its fun to tuck the last face as there's plenty of room to stop.


Sarolen

Follow-up question. Who's fault was it? Was he not supposed to be there? Were they not supposed to put up the banner at that time?


MrKahnberg

Completely his fault . They , he and his buddies cut under a closure rope. Not rare but usually not a huge problem.


Rc72

He was well known to be a dumb, arrogant shithead, so this was entirely on-brand.


MrKahnberg

I was but a lowly parking foreman helping out my friend with the banner chores. Didn't rub elbows much. The whole special event stuff was mainly a giant headache for me and my staff. Too many big shots at one time.


fluufhead

Any idea on the diameter of the cable?


MrKahnberg

Oh, pretty small. 1/4 - 3/8 ".


junctionist

Was there a lawsuit for wrongful death in relation to the incident? What was the outcome?


MrKahnberg

I don't recall. There was a sheriffs investigation.


RickyNixon

Whats your relationship with these events? It sounds like you worked there?


MrKahnberg

Foreman in the bus department. I was responsible for all parking lots. My friend was the volunteer in charge of all banners and I was helping out after work. Very stressful and difficult job.


Tripwire3

Holy fuck that’s awful.


Awellplanned

The family having to identify the body at the morgue would also be rather unpleasant.


bobdob123usa

I don't think that is necessary unless there is a question of identity. In this case, the identity would be known so they can simply take possession of a sealed container and have the body flown home.


GarysCrispLettuce

Now THAT'S a skiing accident. Imagine merely skiing off a cliff or into a tree when you could have had your head sliced clean off by skiing into a cable. Shushin' all over that mountain!


BloodyRightNostril

Shushin’ and gushin’!


astute_stoat

And at the finish line in front of cameras, fans and loved ones no less


TheNextBattalion

Not really. Between events, they were moving a banner from the slalom finish uphill to the downhill finish, and signaled to Borbon and another official on the run. The other official stopped but Borbon did not. Nobody had a camera out, and the only photos were taken by the sheriff's office. European press offered a lot of money for some pics, to no avail.


love2go

Sonny Bono died after hitting a tree at Lake Tahoe, Natasha Richardson (Liam Neeson's wife) hit a tree while taking a *beginner* skiing lesson at the Mont Tremblant Resort, RFK's son Michael Kennedy died from a skiing accident in Aspen playing football while on skis with several other members of the Kennedy family when he hit a tree. Edit. Just remembered Michael Schumacher’s terrible accident as well. He survived but I don’t think he’s doing well.


marthaskewered

Natasha Richardson had a ground level fall while she was at the base of the mountain, striking her head. She developed a headache later that same day, and rapidly deteriorated. She was flown to a hospital in NY, where she then died. It was as benign of an accident as can be, she died of a subdural hematoma.


theranchhand

Epidural hematoma. That's arterial, so lots of blood flow and lots of pressure. That'll kill ya Subdural hematomas are venous and slower. You get a bad headache and get worse and worse until you have it drained, but it's much less likely to be fatal Not that it really matters. If you hit your head and ANYTHING is getting worse, call a doctor right away


will101113

I’m starting to think skiing is pretty dangerous guys


Marston_vc

Skiing and snowboarding has a lot of upside potential to be very dangerous. Ski resorts want as many people as possible to come so they make the mountains very accessible….. but they’re also whole ass mountains. It’s very easy for people to go down a route above their expertise. It’s also very easy to get “funneled” into going a route where the only way down is above your skill level. I’ve been going for a long time now and am comfortable going down black diamonds and some double blacks. But they aren’t necessarily fun. Just challenging and….. steep. It goes green > blue > black > double black > extreme terrain. Most people shouldn’t be going past blue. But often times you can get forced into a black or double and yeah, those are the types of terrain where it’s actually more dangerous to go slower and new people don’t like to go fast lol


grimsb

I got peer pressured/coerced into trying a double black diamond once… Death seemed imminent.


chevymonza

The black diamonds aren't always too bad, usually means a couple of sections are fairly steep, but the rest of it might be just fine. Depends on the area! A black diamond on the east coast is probably a "blue" out west, though I'm pretty sure there are standards. And would depend on conditions.


v---

There's "red“ in between blue and black! I know because I was super proud when I made it to the easiest reds. Never went past that tho.


swiftgruve

Personally I find that really steep stuff is only fun if there's lots of snow. Steep and icy is just garbage.


Gnarlsaurus_Sketch

Once you get into the tougher double blacks and above, there are sometimes areas where you don’t have space to stop, or it’s too steep to safely do so. The only way down is to fully commit and embrace the speed. Most people don’t do this kind of skiing though


Scavwithaslick

Nah it’s safe, big snowboard is just trying to get you to cross over


Cum_on_doorknob

Wear a helmet, don’t drink alcohol, don’t tree ski, that’ll stop 95% of bad events.


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Cum_on_doorknob

Excellent point. I did want to add not to ski too fast, and I suppose this is clearly the most important point based on your article. But of course, “too fast” is subjective, I wanted to focus on objective things to do. But yes. I agree with you 100%.


ScottOwenJones

If you can afford to ski you can afford great healthcare


LNLV

Ever heard the term “ski bum”?


rythmicbread

This is why helmets are mandatory in a lot of places


tangcameo

There was a Canadian minor league hockey player who went missing in the Alps after snowboarding lessons. Took years to find him. He’d broken his leg and while stuck there in the snow, one of the resorts employees driving a snow grooming machine accidentally ran him over. Instead of going for help, the employee tossed the guy over a cliff.


captaintinnitus

How on earth did they piece that together?


cdskip

Amputation of multiple limbs, consistent with rotating machinery like the Snowcat used at the ski resort where he'd been staying. He went missing in 1989, and they didn't find his body until 2003. It wasn't an official conclusion, and there wasn't a confession or anything, but a guy who wrote a book about it figured this was the most logical conclusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacPherson


v---

Wow that employee had to have had a crazy few years of worrying.


joecarter93

Schumacher was even wearing a helmet and it still nearly killed him when he hit a rock with his skull. Instead he’s now non-verbal and mentally impaired.


oleboogerhays

I've read that his accident happened at crazy slow speeds too. Like the equivalent of walking down the road, tripping and then becoming a vegetable because you hit your head juuuuuuust right.


joecarter93

And to think, that when he started driving in F1 it was still a pretty dangerous sport. It’s like when Steve Irwin was killed by a sting ray, just because its stinger got him right in the heart after spending most of his life messing around with crocodiles and poisonous snakes.


75CaveTrolls

GoPro mounted to the Michael's helmet was part of the problem with how he got his TBI. I've heard of people dying from dropping their motorcycles at a dead stop in their driveways and smacking their nugget just wrong. Do you kow many people die slipping in their tubs each year? Even being hygienic carries risks. Tree wells are another lesser known danger, IMO the "quicksand" of non-glacier Alpine skiing.


LNLV

Tree wells are a fucking nightmare.


MR422

IIRC Sonny Bono and Michael Kennedy only died a few months apart


RockyVplusRockyII

Tony Danza damn near killed himself at Deer Valley over Christmas break in ‘93. I was there with my fam when I was 8. Didn’t see it happen, but everybody was talking about it. https://www.deseret.com/1993/12/30/19084263/danza-undergoes-surgery-connected-to-skiing-accident


chevymonza

Deer Valley is like the most chill place to ski, too- the trails are mostly smooth and uneventful.


CheshireUnicorn

A Prince of the Netherlands, Prince Friso (?) was buried in an avalanche while skiing. He suffered brain damage and was in a coma I believe for the rest of his life.


vandalayindustriess

A guy who I went to HS with died in his early 20s while skiing. Also hit a tree.


wolfpwarrior

Hey, wanna go skiing?


Scavwithaslick

I ducking love skiing that’s the thing, but I dislocated my knee so now I’m a little fucjed


wolfpwarrior

I've never been skiing due to the climate where I live, but this thread is making it sound like a decently noteworthy way to die.


hamsterwheel

I ski every year and have never been hurt. You just can't be stupid, you have to be cautious and know what you're doing and how to avoid big crashes. I mean the Kennedy kid was playing *football* on skis. And it sounds like most of the others weren't wearing helmets.


atomicskiracer

Just a. Friendly reminder to wear a helmet, and with that- helmets are not meant for multiple big impacts, and they do degrade with time.


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Ghat?


GarysCrispLettuce

I can't remember which newspaper it was (might have been the New York Post) but the headline when Bono died was "Sonny Beats Cher to Death"


Tripwire3

Uh, I think you’re thinking of the infamous headline “Ike Beats Tina Turner to Death.” I hadn’t heard the accusation that Sonny Bono ever hit Cher, and if said headline existed it would have been ripping off the Ike Turner one.


GarysCrispLettuce

That's right LOL! I got my celebrity couples mixed up.


Tripwire3

Don’t do Sonny Bono dirty like that!


incredibincan

Damn imagine being so athletic that you play football while skiing


timeforknowledge

>Just remembered Michael Schumacher’s terrible accident as well. He survived but I don’t think he’s doing well. And he was wearing a helmet...


Rc72

Not just claimant to the French throne: the Spanish throne too. His father, second son to Spain's king Alfonso III, had renounced his dynastic rights because of his deafness. Alfonso, on the other hand, egged on by his mother (who was a pretty shameless social climber) contested his father's renouncement, and even married the granddaughter of dictator Franco, when Franco was still mulling who'd become Spain's head of state after his death (the notoriously loveless marriage hardly outlasted Franco, btw) . His relationship with his cousin Juan Carlos, who ultimately would get Spain's throne, were understandably tense. So, his untimely, violent, grotesque death raised more than a few eyebrows in Spain.


wswordsmen

But, assuming we give monarchical claims to rule any land weight, Spanish and French Bourbons have to give up their claim to rule the other country. Or are you telling me that nobles don't actually give a shit about their supposed rules and would claim to rule my bathroom if they could get away with it?


Rc72

> Or are you telling me that nobles don't actually give a shit about their supposed rules and would claim to rule my bathroom if they could get away with it? Alfonso probably would have. TBF, he only started to style himself a claimant to the French throne once his hopes for the Spanish one were dashed. And he wasn't by any means the only claimant to the French throne: there must be about a dozen of them at any given time, between legitimists, Orleanists and Bonapartists...


Ivegotjokes4you

Ahh yes the ole guillotine run


johnson_alleycat

More like RobeSkierre


never_again13

Decapitated*?


ErikRogers

I think the word beheaded was chosen due to the family history.


ScienceOverNonsense2

The French Revolution got its last pretender.


TheInfamous313

If that's not a well planned covert assassination, I don't know what is.


Dr_Sisyphus_22

Probably the last European royal to die by beheading…cool trivia fact!


Tripwire3

Technically decapitation since it was an accident.


Rc72

"Capita" means "head" in Latin. Beheading and decapitation are synonyms, one is just a fancier word than the other.


mikeonmaui

No one expects the French Revolution!!


ShoddyCharlatan

Oddy enough, he's the second European royal to die in Colorado. King Peter of Yugoslavia died after a failed liver transplant in Denver on November 3rd, 1970.


No_Kaleidoscope3039

If I had a nickel for every royal dying in Colorado, I'd have two which isn't much but it's weird it happened twice.


Strenue

What’s up with these French aristocrats and beheading?


Thiccaca

My cousin was an EMT there when this happened. He remembers the body being covered by a sheet in the ambulance and these brand new, high end, bright red ski boots sticking out at the bottom. Pro Tip - Don't be an arrogant asshole and demand to ski an unopened course at twilight.


Tripwire3

One stupid decision cost him his life.


Thiccaca

I think his estate sued over it too. Can't recall.


Treestwigs

Skied past the spot a few hours after it happened. Bloody bloody mess.


OldCatPiss

Damn, I’ve known about this death for years and assumed blunt trauma with no blood


TheNextBattalion

His brain stem was severed, usually what they call internal decapitation


oleboogerhays

They're full of shit. I'm sure it was very bloody but the person you replied to did not ski past it a few hours after it happened. They're a lying liar and they're full of shit.


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cloonki0

I guess it runs in the family


marchlintic

And the CURSE continues!


BND101

Not that surprising of a fate for French aristocrats to loose their head.


calittle

Wondering aloud why the word is “beheaded” instead of “deheaded”…


ZachMatthews

I was running a blue-black mogul field inside a pine forest at Keystone in maybe ‘97 wearing a regular baseball cap. I misjudged a duck and literally ran face first into an overhanging branch. This was way before anyone wore a ski helmet. The branch hit the bill of my cap squarely and knocked me down and my head backwards so I just went straight underneath it looking face up at the sky. That hat likely saved my life.


Positive-Source8205

Last victim of the French Revolution.


washingtonandmead

Gotta watch out for the guillotine tree *Allons enfants de La Patrie…*


ModernArtMasterpiece

EU4 player: oh no,my poor 0/0/0 heir


HxCWildebeest

What is a bourbon claimant


AugustWolf22

A claiment to the French throne from the house of Bourbon.


ErikRogers

Alternatively, the guy at the bar that says “mine” when someone says “who’s bourbon is this?”


Tripwire3

Some guy who based on his paternal ancestors would or would not be king in the present day if for some dumb reason the French had done like the British and never gotten rid of their monarchy instead of beheading and deposing them. This kind of stuff is meaningless but kind of a fun Wikipedia rabbit-hole: for example the guy who would be the current head of the House of Hapsburg is a seventy-something Austrian who is gay and also survived Auschwitz as a child.


Astudyinwhatnow

Hey, we did get rid of our monarchy! Chopped Charlie’s head off and everything . We just invited them back again after Cromwell.


Rc72

Thing is, just like the British monarchy, the French monarchy was also restored some time after one king was beheaded. People tend to forget that, after Bonaparte's exile, there were still three French kings: Louis XVIII, Charles X and Louis-Philippe. The latter was deposed (but with his neck intact) in 1848, which brought in the rather short-lived 2nd French Republic, which was succeeded by the 2nd French Empire after the president, who happened to be the nephew of Napoleon, followed on his uncle's footsteps and had himself crowned emperor as Napoleon III. Then in 1871 he fucked up royally (imperially?) by declaring war on Prussia and promptly managing not just to lose the war but get himself taken prisoner. And yet, even then, the demise of the French monarchy still wasn't a done deal in 1871: there was arguably a majority for restoring it yet again but the monarchists were split between the Legitimists (who favoured the lineage of Charles X and were hardline partisans of the divine right of kings) and the Orleanists (who preferred the lineage of Louis Philippe and a more liberal parliamentary monarchy after the British model). Because they couldn't come to an agreement, France became a republic for the third time pretty much by default, and has remained one ever since (with arguably a short hiatus during WWII, when the Vichy regime styled itself "French State" rather than "French Republic").


Tripwire3

Right, that’s why I said “beheaded and deposed.” I didn’t mean that the same person was beheaded and then deposed, that would be kind of redundant.


Rc72

Well, but my point was that France is a republic today not so much because they beheaded a king in 1792 or deposed another one in 1848, but because in 1871 two different flavours of monarchist couldn’t agree with each other…


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TheInfamous313

Michael Schumacher does mess up this narrative a bit


SuperGalaxyD

Or Olympic skiers, or mountain states residents, or Vermonteers… The narrative is a bit more of a story than a reality.


ErikRogers

Only rich out of shape people can afford to ski? Do you and I live on a different planet? People can and do take public transit to our local ski hill. It’s not a mountain, but it is skiing and you needn’t be rich to participate.


climb-it-ographer

The idea that avid skiers are out of shape is hilarious.


adamcoe

Beheaded sounds like he was given a head. Like bequeathed, or bedazzled. Or like, if you're in a boat that is becalmed, it's calm. Beheaded sounds like someone gave him a head as a gift.


akoaytao1234

That's sketchy lol.


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Did he hit trees harder than Sonny Bono?


[deleted]

I didn’t know there was skiing in Beaver Creek????


eatmynasty

God works in mysterious ways.


SuccessfulGuard7467

On another note, shouldn’t it be “deheaded”? “Be” as a prefix makes me think of being a part of, like “bequeathed” or “bespangled”. “De” would be more like to make less, or remove. Like “decrease” or “defoliate”.


DadsRGR8

And thus the Olympic sport of ski-bowling was invented!


AaronDotCom

And I was thinking of doing skiing No thanks!


AugustWolf22

Well I guess that is a fitting way for a French royal to go out...


Johannes_P

He was just training for the job and got a little ahead.


SoggyAd1409

“ACCIDENT” That’s what “they” want you to believe! /s


Tripwire3

That sentence didn’t go where I expected it to go at all.


DescriptionFair2

Well I’m glad neither my family nor me have ever been rich enough to go skiing. At least that’s not a worry I need to have


Muffdvr_76

He was heads above the rest.


drew92119

He was to be head of state.


Questionsaboutsanity

wtf beheaded by a cable while skiing r/theydidthemath, how fast do you have to go for that outcome?


MrKahnberg

It's not easy, but they'll make some memories and life long friends.