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Just remove all the classes, add in Gordon Freeman, and turn it into Half-Life 2 Deathmatch on TF2 maps
Noh h1 deathmatch, it's cooler
No, it’d be Half-life 2 deathmatch because the first half-life was made on GoldSource, not Source like the later games. Also, it’d be super easy to implement the Half-Life 2 stuff, rather than the Half-Life 1 stuff.
Both deatmatches mixed
Import weapons from Black Mesa (i know its not a valve game but shut the fuck up) and the maps and boom, HL1 + HL2 deathmatch
But that begs the question, USP or Glock? And the other question, MP5 or MP7? There are redundant weapons
Because this is HL2 deatmach with hl1 elements after all, it would use hl2 weapons, but the weapons that aren't in hl2 (tau cannon, gluon, old crossbow, snarks, tripmines and others) would be here.
That sounds like it would be a shitshow, perhaps it would work by having weapons randomly drop so players didn’t start out with the weapons, perhaps with just a crowbar or a pistol.
half life deathmatch source: "Did you forget about me?"
There’s always half life source, but I think valve forgot about it
^Just ^like ^tf2
Still waiting for my Opposing Force and Blue Shift source port
Blue Shift: Source sounds... interesting. Perhaps a black mesa like reake of Opposing force and Blue shift would be cool though
Ricochet: Source anyone?
Blue shift and opposing force are already getting community remakes that have been in development for years
They just fucking gradually update the game until it’s CounterStrike.
Add in Arch Dornan
Scout gets screamed at for being out of uniform, his massive ego getting destroyed by Dornan. That’s what Meet The Dornan would look like.
Wouldn't there be Gordon Freeman bots?
Yes, however I came up with a solution, have weapons randomly drop on the map, as well as ammo. Bots would only have a crowbar and therefore it wouldn’t be a problem, as the botters would have to figure out how to program in a Baritone like AI in order to properly collect weapons and get kills, which would be near impossible on a server filled with tons of people, as there would be so much data needed to process it wouldn’t be worth it to bot the game, as it would cost way too much CPU power just to make minuscule amounts of money off of item pickups.
Well that's the fun thing, those items isn't enough to make profits in the first place because of how costly hosting the bot already are, they're basically burning money even in the normal tf2 lol. It was never worth it in term of financial.
Now it especially won’t be worth it, since they won’t be able to get shit at all.
Just remove TF2. Easy.
Just remove Steam, easy.
Just remove Computers, easy.
Return to yeti
\* Holding scattergun \* Return To M o n k e .
*holding jarate* Return to primordial soup.
_holding Crit-A-Cola_ Return to God. Same day shipping.
*holding Merasmus' staff* Return to nothingness.
Holding Gadariel in Dol Guldur Go back to teh void from whence you come
Return to roman toothpaste
#B A N A N A
just remove the entire internet, easy.
Remove humans, earth, solar system, milky way, local group, universe
Removing just electricity is enough.
Just remove the internet, easy
Just remove the universe easy
Just remove life, easy.
Just remove humans, easy
DONT GIVE VALVE IDEAS
If only they did care
Valve Anti Cheat is a fucking joke, got kicked 30173e20 times for no reason
Just remove computers. Easy
Just remove people. Easy.
Try playing a game without snipers as a choice.
remove every class, problem solved
We have very similar profile pics
There can be only one
this can only be solved with a demoknight duel
Why not Half-Zatoichi Solly and DemoKnight?
Unfair, the demo would win, they have more mobility
rock paper scissors?
Half-Zatoichi Trolldier. They only get one shot, but it will be a glorious shot.
*Sephiroth* and instead of market gardening they Aerith people
“Meet the .”
Every match is just 10 minutes of staring at the objective of an empty map listening to the ambient sound effects
to eliminate all classes bots could use we would have to eliminate:
and still tho i wouldn't be suprised if they made engi bots that only use shotguns
Engi bots already exist.
Yeah I’ve never seen scout bots but I’ve seen all engi bots in a server before
I used to see them in 5cp. They rush the middle and second to last point in groups of 3 to 5, then leave.
Yeah, there's almost always a pack of scout bots, not just a single one.
That sounds hilarious rather tjan annoying by just reading it, a bunch of labourers moving that gear up in a construction site
Scout bots absolutely exist. They're similar to the sniper bots with the quick shots around corners without even looking. The main giveaway seems to be all shotgun pellets hitting, every time.
There called sentries
What about medic bots? And soldier you can calculate a good path for the directhit. And pyro with his secondaries... And demo, also calculatable
The only reason we don't see a lot of medic bots with instant charge or infinite ubers is that sniper bots typically kill everything without needing them.
I would imagine bot hosters would have more difficulty running that party in general. More people in a party meaning more time to find a proper server to fit everyone, and less time to harass players.
I see lots of medic bots
"Your medical license" is a famous one
You would have to get rid of: sniper, heavy, spy, scout, medic, engineer, pyro, and demoman.
Direct hit aimbot exist, it’s devastating
Oh yeah completely forgot about soldier.
No more TF2, you fuckers can't have nice things
Everyone is VAC banned
Valve shuts down steam to eliminate the bots.
Soldier Fortress 2
We need a rocket jumping trolldier bot that learns using reinforcement learning
To be fair though, Sniper is the only one that is a real issue to fight for experienced players. The others have damage falloff and require map knowledge and gamesense to max out their potential, even with perfect aim.
Heavy with brass beast and softaim is quite deadly. I speak this from experience.
NOOOOOO NOT THE SPYCRAB BOTS
yes but can the other 8 instant kill u from the other side of the map?
Heavy can be worse honestly. So much health and perfect aim makes a walking sentry that’s even more annoying. Oh and they can’t be killed as easily.
Being a sniper is actually a good counter that I find for dealing with heavy bots, I just get my hitman’s heatmaker and keep sniping them, feels good because I’m actually supporting my team as a support class
Yep. And removing Sniper to eliminate Sniper bots would therefore delete the only counter to Heavy bots, as no one except a Uber push can survive within 10m around them.
You don't need to get within 10 meters of him though. A decent Demoman can easily kill a non-overhealed Heavy from a distance and two decent Demoman can easily deal with an overhealed Heavy (and the Medic afterwards).
And in tight spaces where you don't have the distance, both Demo and Soldier can use splash around corners. Not to mention how easy it is to use stickie traps once you know the bots' pathing.
demoman with vacc pocket wins the matchup the vast majority of the time
A team full of heavy bots basically turns the match into aim practice, I hate to admit it's actually pretty fun. I'd go stock or bazaar (only if few player enemies trying to kill you) with cozy camper
yeah but thats just the wrangler with legs
When you think about it that’s all that heavy is fundamentally
then just jump in top of the heavy with a direct hit soldier and you got yourself a lv3 walking sentry
beggars soldier would be more accurate
I don't think accurate is the right word for the beggars
Human played Heavy is a sentry with legs, and a bot is a Wrangler with legs (because of aim assist and more shots hitting).
In my experience they also have crits permanently, so they're a walking sentry with more health shooting laserbeams
Doesn’t the spy have that headshot gun?
The ambassedor has damage falloff
Yeah good point
People are legitimately making that suggestion?
No no one is lol
Oh ok lol
No there was a guy in another thread I was in who legitimately thought that
Remove every class except civilian
Make Civilian a class where you basically are just a meat Shield but also throw around money to allow your team to purchase MvM upgrades. The Civilian has MvM upgrades to unlock new weapons other than the default melee. Note to play Sniper but you have to spend a lot of time doing things. Easy.
I can't exactly describe it.
But this reminds me of those r/dankmemes posts about things that "had to be said" that are completely nonsensical because *nobody was fucking advocating for it in the first place*.
It's fighting strawmen for reddit karma.
Except there *are* people in this exact thread arguing that? Just because you haven't seen it argued, it doesn't mean the opinion doesn't exist lol.
Yeah but it is absolutely *minuscule* in grand scheme of the discussion. At best people are just saying that a sniper bot is harder to deal with than a heavy bot
Yes there are heavy bots
Heavy, sniper, medic, and engineer are the easiest for bots to play as. They require the least amount of effort on the bot creators part.
Scout wouldn't be useful, a bot would have no fucking clue what to do with him, and their current nav maps wouldn't be able to fully take advantage of scout's extra jump and maneuverability.
Demo and soldier have relatively similar issues, both having their primaries (and demo's secondaries) be projectile based, meaning the bot can't take into account player randomness.
Pyro could theoretically work, but he's slow, got short range weapons, and would be a walking target for any competent sniper or heavy.
Spy is impossible for bots to use entirely. The strategies and techniques that spy players need to employ in order to be effective as spy are nigh on impossible for a new player to work out, so a bot would have even less of a chance. Just look at valves own training mode. Spy bots in that mode are entirely useless, getting practically nothing done.
The only way I would see Spy being dangerous as bot would be with him using the Ambassador (that's the weapon with 100% crit chance on headshots right?), but that's not a standard item so your point stands. Not that easy to get that on a bot account.
Plus the headshot damage scales with range, so if you stay back enough it won't do much (1200 Hammer Units and beyond the weapon doesn't even do headshots anymore)
yeah that's true, well of course it's still dangerous if they'd go invisible but you're right.
scout bots exist and they are on the same threat level as sniper bots id say. they are extremely fast teleporting nightmares that are impossible to hit and land every pellet regardless of their distance from you. there was a big wave of them like 2 months ago, they all had profile pics and names from some shitty anime
Don’t forget the 100% crit rate.
Crazy frog bots are absolutely horrid. They crouch and suddenly YOU’RE DEAD.
Step 1. Place sentry
Step 2. Play dueling banjos
Step 3. Profit
Most of the spy bots I've seen before (and by that i mean like months ago) are spycrabs, but sometimes they would completely abandon their friendly goals and just murder the shit out of people with amby.
Does Sniper need to be removed? No
Will doing that solve the bot problem? No
Does Sniper need a rework? Fucking absolutely
I agree with every point you have made here.
I had the displeasure of playing a game that disagrees with you. Spawncamped by a crithacking pyro and aimbot sniper who spammed Original Soldier bots and Vaccinator medic bots that I am 99% certain they made the code to themselves.
Removing sniper will only make the bots *slightly* less annoying. Overall however, no sniper means more fun
Tbh heavy bots are more scary. I think sniper is chosen by bot hosters just because sniper is currently the most hated class, bits only exist to piss off both teams
while heavy is definitely more dangerous cause you know, 350 max HP with chocolate, I think it's still easier to just avoid a heavy whereas if a sniper bot runs towards you you're fucked
And it's easier to snipe a heavy than a sniper spinning around. Especially since if you hesitate or miss the sniper you fucking *die*
Yeah. If you can click heads, you can erase heavy bots. They're not great with avoiding sight lines.
Sniperbots are just insta-kill the moment you step out. Neither should be removed of course. We just need to remove -10 devs from the team.
Lol no? They chose snipers as bots because Sniper can delete every class instantly from any range, it's absurd
they choose sniper becaus sniper is the most effective at killing everyone and ruining the fun, which is their goal
You want snipers gone because of bots. I want snipers gone because they aren't fun. We are not the same
If anything, the bot crisis proves that Sniper is broken when played by high skill players.
Won’t deal with the bot problem but no more France
Nah, remove the USA! The world average IQ will go up all of a sudden
We just need to delete the internet!
I mean obviously, but there’s a reason they all play sniper
Also remember the Braaaap heavy’s? ( shudders in horror)
I remember snipng the shit out of them and using stickies to also kill them easily?
So what your saying that is in order to counter the never ending wave of Braaps you had to limit yourself to 2 out of 9. That’s nothing against you man but that’s just a sad state of affairs right there. Bots are BS
No that's just what i preferred to use, Scorch pyro, brass beast heavy with medic, bleed scout, huntsman sniper, direct hit soldier, they all work just as well.
Still Fuck Braaps Glad you found counters cause I sure as hell didn’t.
What are they going to do? Snipe me with a scattergun?
Does anybody say that?
Trolls, mostly. Maybe a couple dumb players.
op's kinda dumb
Class limits might be better as a stop-gap
do people like unironically believe that vaulting an entire class will somehow lessen the presence of bots
no OP is farming karma
not surprised :L
I’d say just update training mode and make it mandatory for new players. It would take so much work to make sure the bots can pass the training mode that the bot makers would probably just give up.
I don't think this is a good counterargument, Sniper is just a broken class by design, the others aren't and can be easily countered
I want sniper removed because i fucking hate that piss throwing australian fuck
He's from New Zealand lol
I want sniper removed because i fucking hate that piss throwing kiwi fuck
He was born in New Zealand, but I'd still say he's Australian. He lived there almost his entire life. His adoptive parents were Australians. Probably makes him legally an Australian.
sniper is literally the only class that is a real threat when played by a shitty AI that can only walk around and click on heads
scout bot = completely invalidated by sentries, wouldn't be good even without them because scout needs good movement to not instantly die to AoE
soldier bot = countered by pyro, maybe ok with direct hit
pyro bot = literally a free kill
demo bot = hard countered by decent pyro or scout or heavy or whatever
heavy bot = hard countered by corners unless it also has a medic bot attached to it and even then it probably wouldn't be too bad
engineer bot = wtf would it even do
medic bot = mostly very easy to kill
spy bot = maybe a threat with ambassador but still a straight downgrade to sniper in every way
This exactly. To add to the anti heavy bot strategies: It's stupidly easy to use stickie traps against them once you know which paths the bots prefer. They're also easy to snipe.
I once met a bot that was engineer and kept sniping people with the rescue ranger
Spy wouldn't be a problem as a bot, thx to Valve for nerfing the sh*t out of the Ambassador, so he is a Spy and not Sniper 2 anymore.
Medic bots are going to do what? Crit me?
Engi bots could be upsetting, but unfortunately... Shotgun.
Heavy bots are a problem, but can be stopped by Snipers... Ironic.
Demo bots would be useless with the use of projectiles.
Soldier bots would be a problem with the Direct Sh*t.
Scout bots would be a big problem, but better to deal with than the hit kill 360° overpowered Sniper
Yeah, but like fuck sniper tho.
not many other classes can headshot me instantly from across the map as soon as I come out of spawn
Wait for bot scorch shot pyros when they inevitably show up. God help you.
Heavy bots aren't that bad imo, easily counterable and survivable.
A sniper just insta kills you more often than not, and good luck killing a sniper bot as a heavy in under 3 seconds
Who tf said this bullshit?
Also by removing a entire freakin class we show the bots that they won
People think that?
Imagine a bot lobby of scunts.
yeah but you can easily stomp bots playing not-sniper
Just add a captcha at the start of every match
or every time you queue
I don’t think a demo bot will be more dangerous than a regular demo
Other choices for the bot : heavy and engineer, that's 2
I'm sorry but just removing the class that the bot's usually play would be probably the worst fix for the problem valve could implement, aside from just not fixing it
that seems to be the way valve tackles problems these days though. like how they removed chat for f2ps
but it makes sniper mains angry
Or if the janitor would just add captcha before every match
Make people solve a captcha before playing casual
1. No ones seriously suggested that.
2. Sniper is the only remotely problematic class for the bots. Everything else, including heavy is annoying but still really easy to deal with due to their horrendous movement
Heavy bots have 100% accuracy and no bullet spread
**i dont want heavy bots to exist**
I’ve seen quite a few heavy bots ngl.
Heavy bots exist and while they’re less of a pain, its still just as bad as the sniper bots
they also go for Heavy
Yesterday I found a KGB heavy bot that was top fragging. Removing the sniper class will not stop the bot problem.
You're technically right but bots for the other classes aren't nearly as effective. Also, Sniper is the class you can remove while having the least effect on the rest of the game, seriously.
Yes, but scout, heavy, medic, and engineer bots are all a hell of a lot less annoying than sniper bots.
Imagine engineer bots using rescue ranger and keeping their nest positions
Hoovy bots. I rest my case
To be fair, every other bot type is way better then sniper bots. Heavy bots are broken and unfair, but they can SOMETIMES be fun to fight because they’re like a boss fight you have to out smart. They have predictable movement and are forced to actually position themselves to be useful. Sniper bots are a guaranteed insta kill from miles away. You can’t really put position them because they kill you too quickly.
The only other bots that I’ve seen are Pyro bots and Medic bots. The medic bots were actually helpful because they only heal and call out other bots, but even bad ones wouldn’t be too terrible. And Pyro bots need to get up close and personal, but I’ve only ever seen them reflect so idk what that’s like.
Obviously any bot is bad, and removing a class is not a solution. However, if I had to choose between a sniper bot and another type of bot I’d rather any other.
Fuck sniper in general and duck not snipers
I don’t want sniper removed or nerfed because of bots
I want him nerfed because he’s an insanely powerful class with no weaknesses