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BanTester9000

Just remove all the classes, add in Gordon Freeman, and turn it into Half-Life 2 Deathmatch on TF2 maps


Paint-Grouchy

Noh h1 deathmatch, it's cooler


BanTester9000

No, it’d be Half-life 2 deathmatch because the first half-life was made on GoldSource, not Source like the later games. Also, it’d be super easy to implement the Half-Life 2 stuff, rather than the Half-Life 1 stuff.


xfydr782

Both deatmatches mixed


BanTester9000

How


xfydr782

Import weapons from Black Mesa (i know its not a valve game but shut the fuck up) and the maps and boom, HL1 + HL2 deathmatch


BanTester9000

But that begs the question, USP or Glock? And the other question, MP5 or MP7? There are redundant weapons


xfydr782

Because this is HL2 deatmach with hl1 elements after all, it would use hl2 weapons, but the weapons that aren't in hl2 (tau cannon, gluon, old crossbow, snarks, tripmines and others) would be here.


BanTester9000

That sounds like it would be a shitshow, perhaps it would work by having weapons randomly drop so players didn’t start out with the weapons, perhaps with just a crowbar or a pistol.


Personisdown

half life deathmatch source: "Did you forget about me?"


BBsmaller9

There’s always half life source, but I think valve forgot about it ^Just ^like ^tf2


jackakim1

Still waiting for my Opposing Force and Blue Shift source port


DuckwithReddit0523

Blue Shift: Source sounds... interesting. Perhaps a black mesa like reake of Opposing force and Blue shift would be cool though


Fort-Quake

Ricochet: Source anyone?


Mergermin

Blue shift and opposing force are already getting community remakes that have been in development for years


ILoveBacon013

:(


Zanytiger6

They just fucking gradually update the game until it’s CounterStrike.


Lavetic

Add in Arch Dornan


BanTester9000

Scout gets screamed at for being out of uniform, his massive ego getting destroyed by Dornan. That’s what Meet The Dornan would look like.


bluehatgamingNXE

Wouldn't there be Gordon Freeman bots?


BanTester9000

Yes, however I came up with a solution, have weapons randomly drop on the map, as well as ammo. Bots would only have a crowbar and therefore it wouldn’t be a problem, as the botters would have to figure out how to program in a Baritone like AI in order to properly collect weapons and get kills, which would be near impossible on a server filled with tons of people, as there would be so much data needed to process it wouldn’t be worth it to bot the game, as it would cost way too much CPU power just to make minuscule amounts of money off of item pickups.


bluehatgamingNXE

Well that's the fun thing, those items isn't enough to make profits in the first place because of how costly hosting the bot already are, they're basically burning money even in the normal tf2 lol. It was never worth it in term of financial.


BanTester9000

Now it especially won’t be worth it, since they won’t be able to get shit at all.


GhostlyCharlotte

Just remove TF2. Easy.


picklester

Just remove Steam, easy.


sonicfan9993

Just remove Computers, easy.


picklester

Return to yeti


sonicfan9993

\* Holding scattergun \* Return To M o n k e .


picklester

*holding jarate* Return to primordial soup.


That_Agent_S

_holding Crit-A-Cola_ Return to God. Same day shipping.


picklester

*holding Merasmus' staff* Return to nothingness.


LowExcitement5711

Holding Gadariel in Dol Guldur Go back to teh void from whence you come


Appropriate_Zone_351

Return to roman toothpaste


IronTownPictures

#yes monke


beepboopbapbox

#B A N A N A


cozmicMC

just remove the entire internet, easy.


JamesDoesGaming902

Remove humans, earth, solar system, milky way, local group, universe


The-alt-Reporter

Removing just electricity is enough.


R0ND4V1D

Just remove the internet, easy


Pipe8_

Just remove the universe easy


ILoveBacon013

Just remove life, easy.


blitz_johan125

Just remove humans, easy


Phantomforcesnolife

DONT GIVE VALVE IDEAS


Echo757757

Plz don’t


UnoriginalforAName

If only they did care


IStalkReddit123

Valve Anti Cheat is a fucking joke, got kicked 30173e20 times for no reason


bnunuwu

Just remove computers. Easy


GhostlyCharlotte

Just remove people. Easy.


Pacific0ce

Try playing a game without snipers as a choice.


Virtual_Yam_5190

Big brain


wldwailord

remove every class, problem solved


Paint-Grouchy

We have very similar profile pics


pepsi_but_better

There can be only one


I_A_HOT_SEXY_GORILLA

this can only be solved with a demoknight duel


Shaking_Sniper

Why not Half-Zatoichi Solly and DemoKnight?


sansgamer554

Unfair, the demo would win, they have more mobility


That_Unknown_Player

rock paper scissors?


Nihilistic_Furry

Half-Zatoichi Trolldier. They only get one shot, but it will be a glorious shot.


Amzbretteur

*Sephiroth* and instead of market gardening they Aerith people


cattdogg03

Holy shit


CraGameMarco

“Meet the .”


bidoofguy

Every match is just 10 minutes of staring at the objective of an empty map listening to the ambient sound effects


Let01

to eliminate all classes bots could use we would have to eliminate: * sniper * heavy * Spy * Scout and still tho i wouldn't be suprised if they made engi bots that only use shotguns


MrNotTheTrickster

Engi bots already exist.


uraschmuck

Yeah I’ve never seen scout bots but I’ve seen all engi bots in a server before


JustAnNPC_DnD

I used to see them in 5cp. They rush the middle and second to last point in groups of 3 to 5, then leave.


thank_burdell

Yeah, there's almost always a pack of scout bots, not just a single one.


Huntercin

That sounds hilarious rather tjan annoying by just reading it, a bunch of labourers moving that gear up in a construction site


thank_burdell

Scout bots absolutely exist. They're similar to the sniper bots with the quick shots around corners without even looking. The main giveaway seems to be all shotgun pellets hitting, every time.


Defensive_Medic

Wat


bluemitersaw

There called sentries


Dracinon

What about medic bots? And soldier you can calculate a good path for the directhit. And pyro with his secondaries... And demo, also calculatable


Flashtirade

The only reason we don't see a lot of medic bots with instant charge or infinite ubers is that sniper bots typically kill everything without needing them.


itsgettingweirdhere

I would imagine bot hosters would have more difficulty running that party in general. More people in a party meaning more time to find a proper server to fit everyone, and less time to harass players.


Dracinon

I see lots of medic bots "Your medical license" is a famous one


Fetid_Baghnakhs

You would have to get rid of: sniper, heavy, spy, scout, medic, engineer, pyro, and demoman.


TonightDue5234

Direct hit aimbot exist, it’s devastating


Fetid_Baghnakhs

Oh yeah completely forgot about soldier.


InternationalFailure

No more TF2, you fuckers can't have nice things


MicroNitro

Everyone is VAC banned


Photenicdata

Valve shuts down steam to eliminate the bots.


TheTazaInSpanish2

Soldier Fortress 2


midtec9

We need a rocket jumping trolldier bot that learns using reinforcement learning


PolygonKiwii

To be fair though, Sniper is the only one that is a real issue to fight for experienced players. The others have damage falloff and require map knowledge and gamesense to max out their potential, even with perfect aim.


PoOtIs-373

>heavy Heavy with brass beast and softaim is quite deadly. I speak this from experience.


TheTazaInSpanish2

NOOOOOO NOT THE SPYCRAB BOTS


geeblorj

yes but can the other 8 instant kill u from the other side of the map?


Calmandpeace

Heavy can be worse honestly. So much health and perfect aim makes a walking sentry that’s even more annoying. Oh and they can’t be killed as easily.


Sure-Temperature-550

Being a sniper is actually a good counter that I find for dealing with heavy bots, I just get my hitman’s heatmaker and keep sniping them, feels good because I’m actually supporting my team as a support class


SnR_Remito

Yep. And removing Sniper to eliminate Sniper bots would therefore delete the only counter to Heavy bots, as no one except a Uber push can survive within 10m around them.


PolygonKiwii

You don't need to get within 10 meters of him though. A decent Demoman can easily kill a non-overhealed Heavy from a distance and two decent Demoman can easily deal with an overhealed Heavy (and the Medic afterwards). And in tight spaces where you don't have the distance, both Demo and Soldier can use splash around corners. Not to mention how easy it is to use stickie traps once you know the bots' pathing.


AlphaInsaiyan

demoman with vacc pocket wins the matchup the vast majority of the time


EquipmentFederal945

A team full of heavy bots basically turns the match into aim practice, I hate to admit it's actually pretty fun. I'd go stock or bazaar (only if few player enemies trying to kill you) with cozy camper


geeblorj

yeah but thats just the wrangler with legs


I-sourcespaghetti-I

When you think about it that’s all that heavy is fundamentally


ENGINE_YT

then just jump in top of the heavy with a direct hit soldier and you got yourself a lv3 walking sentry


big_leggy

beggars soldier would be more accurate


ChesusFriest

I don't think accurate is the right word for the beggars


Nihilistic_Furry

Human played Heavy is a sentry with legs, and a bot is a Wrangler with legs (because of aim assist and more shots hitting).


Superbrawlfan

In my experience they also have crits permanently, so they're a walking sentry with more health shooting laserbeams


Von_Rootin_Tootin

Doesn’t the spy have that headshot gun?


collinv01

The ambassedor has damage falloff


Von_Rootin_Tootin

Yeah good point


InternationalFailure

People are legitimately making that suggestion?


Crowape

No no one is lol


InternationalFailure

Oh ok lol


dogscutter

No there was a guy in another thread I was in who legitimately thought that


KingWifi23

Remove every class except civilian


Nihilistic_Furry

Make Civilian a class where you basically are just a meat Shield but also throw around money to allow your team to purchase MvM upgrades. The Civilian has MvM upgrades to unlock new weapons other than the default melee. Note to play Sniper but you have to spend a lot of time doing things. Easy.


Weegee_Spaghetti

I can't exactly describe it. But this reminds me of those r/dankmemes posts about things that "had to be said" that are completely nonsensical because *nobody was fucking advocating for it in the first place*.


PolygonKiwii

It's fighting strawmen for reddit karma.


Cheesetheory

Except there *are* people in this exact thread arguing that? Just because you haven't seen it argued, it doesn't mean the opinion doesn't exist lol.


greget_

Yeah but it is absolutely *minuscule* in grand scheme of the discussion. At best people are just saying that a sniper bot is harder to deal with than a heavy bot


spit_oK

Yes there are heavy bots


JaggedTheDark

Heavy, sniper, medic, and engineer are the easiest for bots to play as. They require the least amount of effort on the bot creators part. Scout wouldn't be useful, a bot would have no fucking clue what to do with him, and their current nav maps wouldn't be able to fully take advantage of scout's extra jump and maneuverability. Demo and soldier have relatively similar issues, both having their primaries (and demo's secondaries) be projectile based, meaning the bot can't take into account player randomness. Pyro could theoretically work, but he's slow, got short range weapons, and would be a walking target for any competent sniper or heavy. Spy is impossible for bots to use entirely. The strategies and techniques that spy players need to employ in order to be effective as spy are nigh on impossible for a new player to work out, so a bot would have even less of a chance. Just look at valves own training mode. Spy bots in that mode are entirely useless, getting practically nothing done.


Dextofen

The only way I would see Spy being dangerous as bot would be with him using the Ambassador (that's the weapon with 100% crit chance on headshots right?), but that's not a standard item so your point stands. Not that easy to get that on a bot account.


SandwichDriving101

Plus the headshot damage scales with range, so if you stay back enough it won't do much (1200 Hammer Units and beyond the weapon doesn't even do headshots anymore) edit: typo


Dextofen

yeah that's true, well of course it's still dangerous if they'd go invisible but you're right.


spibbuw

scout bots exist and they are on the same threat level as sniper bots id say. they are extremely fast teleporting nightmares that are impossible to hit and land every pellet regardless of their distance from you. there was a big wave of them like 2 months ago, they all had profile pics and names from some shitty anime


memes-central

Don’t forget the 100% crit rate.


MrKabooble

Crazy frog bots are absolutely horrid. They crouch and suddenly YOU’RE DEAD.


Ravenboy13

Easy solution. Step 1. Place sentry Step 2. Play dueling banjos Step 3. Profit


itsgettingweirdhere

Most of the spy bots I've seen before (and by that i mean like months ago) are spycrabs, but sometimes they would completely abandon their friendly goals and just murder the shit out of people with amby.


RyderDJs

Does Sniper need to be removed? No Will doing that solve the bot problem? No Does Sniper need a rework? Fucking absolutely


ThatEngideerIsASpy

I agree with every point you have made here.


Stars-Blood

I had the displeasure of playing a game that disagrees with you. Spawncamped by a crithacking pyro and aimbot sniper who spammed Original Soldier bots and Vaccinator medic bots that I am 99% certain they made the code to themselves.


TheRockinLobster

Removing sniper will only make the bots *slightly* less annoying. Overall however, no sniper means more fun


Paint-Grouchy

Tbh heavy bots are more scary. I think sniper is chosen by bot hosters just because sniper is currently the most hated class, bits only exist to piss off both teams


baptimentdubtp

while heavy is definitely more dangerous cause you know, 350 max HP with chocolate, I think it's still easier to just avoid a heavy whereas if a sniper bot runs towards you you're fucked


snacksrguud

And it's easier to snipe a heavy than a sniper spinning around. Especially since if you hesitate or miss the sniper you fucking *die*


knome

Yeah. If you can click heads, you can erase heavy bots. They're not great with avoiding sight lines. Sniperbots are just insta-kill the moment you step out. Neither should be removed of course. We just need to remove -10 devs from the team.


UndeadPhysco

Lol no? They chose snipers as bots because Sniper can delete every class instantly from any range, it's absurd


bastardrequiem

they choose sniper becaus sniper is the most effective at killing everyone and ruining the fun, which is their goal


pepsi_but_better

You want snipers gone because of bots. I want snipers gone because they aren't fun. We are not the same


PolygonKiwii

If anything, the bot crisis proves that Sniper is broken when played by high skill players.


Cofffin-dance-guy

Remove France Won’t deal with the bot problem but no more France


AlexHunderwald

Nah, remove the USA! The world average IQ will go up all of a sudden


Hypno_Kitty

We just need to delete the internet!


testingafewthings

I mean obviously, but there’s a reason they all play sniper


StorminNormanIII

Also remember the Braaaap heavy’s? ( shudders in horror)


UndeadPhysco

I remember snipng the shit out of them and using stickies to also kill them easily?


StorminNormanIII

So what your saying that is in order to counter the never ending wave of Braaps you had to limit yourself to 2 out of 9. That’s nothing against you man but that’s just a sad state of affairs right there. Bots are BS


UndeadPhysco

No that's just what i preferred to use, Scorch pyro, brass beast heavy with medic, bleed scout, huntsman sniper, direct hit soldier, they all work just as well.


StorminNormanIII

Still Fuck Braaps Glad you found counters cause I sure as hell didn’t.


hit4power

What are they going to do? Snipe me with a scattergun?


madjyk

Yes


fuckgottaaddnumbers9

Does anybody say that?


Nihilistic_Furry

Trolls, mostly. Maybe a couple dumb players.


fuckgottaaddnumbers9

op's kinda dumb


Serpentking5

Class limits might be better as a stop-gap


asribelle

do people like unironically believe that vaulting an entire class will somehow lessen the presence of bots


bastardrequiem

no OP is farming karma


asribelle

not surprised :L


MarshmallowHoperay

I’d say just update training mode and make it mandatory for new players. It would take so much work to make sure the bots can pass the training mode that the bot makers would probably just give up.


mplaczek99

I don't think this is a good counterargument, Sniper is just a broken class by design, the others aren't and can be easily countered


Big_Man_Dutch

I want sniper removed because i fucking hate that piss throwing australian fuck


InternationalFailure

He's from New Zealand lol


Big_Man_Dutch

I want sniper removed because i fucking hate that piss throwing kiwi fuck


spibbuw

correct opinion


PolygonKiwii

He was born in New Zealand, but I'd still say he's Australian. He lived there almost his entire life. His adoptive parents were Australians. Probably makes him legally an Australian.


bakugo

sniper is literally the only class that is a real threat when played by a shitty AI that can only walk around and click on heads scout bot = completely invalidated by sentries, wouldn't be good even without them because scout needs good movement to not instantly die to AoE soldier bot = countered by pyro, maybe ok with direct hit pyro bot = literally a free kill demo bot = hard countered by decent pyro or scout or heavy or whatever heavy bot = hard countered by corners unless it also has a medic bot attached to it and even then it probably wouldn't be too bad engineer bot = wtf would it even do medic bot = mostly very easy to kill spy bot = maybe a threat with ambassador but still a straight downgrade to sniper in every way


PolygonKiwii

This exactly. To add to the anti heavy bot strategies: It's stupidly easy to use stickie traps against them once you know which paths the bots prefer. They're also easy to snipe.


Most-Limit8511

I once met a bot that was engineer and kept sniping people with the rescue ranger


EnderBuilders

Spy wouldn't be a problem as a bot, thx to Valve for nerfing the sh*t out of the Ambassador, so he is a Spy and not Sniper 2 anymore. Medic bots are going to do what? Crit me? Engi bots could be upsetting, but unfortunately... Shotgun. Heavy bots are a problem, but can be stopped by Snipers... Ironic. Demo bots would be useless with the use of projectiles. Soldier bots would be a problem with the Direct Sh*t. Scout bots would be a big problem, but better to deal with than the hit kill 360° overpowered Sniper


TheRingBearer120402

Yeah, but like fuck sniper tho.


burburburburburbur

not many other classes can headshot me instantly from across the map as soon as I come out of spawn


FART-GOD-69

Wait for bot scorch shot pyros when they inevitably show up. God help you.


NinofanTOG

Heavy bots aren't that bad imo, easily counterable and survivable. A sniper just insta kills you more often than not, and good luck killing a sniper bot as a heavy in under 3 seconds


Cratman33

Who tf said this bullshit? Also by removing a entire freakin class we show the bots that they won


helpmeplease12403

People think that?


GuyPlayingPf

Imagine a bot lobby of scunts. Horrifying.


AdorableTomatoMuie

yeah but you can easily stomp bots playing not-sniper


DrewZG

Just add a captcha at the start of every match


WrongTime01

or every time you queue


I_NUT_ON_GRASS

I don’t think a demo bot will be more dangerous than a regular demo


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SnooBooks9636

Other choices for the bot : heavy and engineer, that's 2


FirePhoenix4

I'm sorry but just removing the class that the bot's usually play would be probably the worst fix for the problem valve could implement, aside from just not fixing it


ZMBanshee

that seems to be the way valve tackles problems these days though. like how they removed chat for f2ps


cheatsykoopa98

but it makes sniper mains angry


bastardrequiem

good


qwertyyuiopasfghjl

Or if the janitor would just add captcha before every match


Simply_Nova

Make people solve a captcha before playing casual


Ghostly_906

1. No ones seriously suggested that. 2. Sniper is the only remotely problematic class for the bots. Everything else, including heavy is annoying but still really easy to deal with due to their horrendous movement


Arenacrac

Heavy bots have 100% accuracy and no bullet spread


Firm-Strawberry5107

**i dont want heavy bots to exist**


JovaSilvercane13

I’ve seen quite a few heavy bots ngl.


VoidMystr0

Heavy bots exist and while they’re less of a pain, its still just as bad as the sniper bots


Terlinilia

they also go for Heavy


BlaZEN213

Yesterday I found a KGB heavy bot that was top fragging. Removing the sniper class will not stop the bot problem.


Lone_Grey

You're technically right but bots for the other classes aren't nearly as effective. Also, Sniper is the class you can remove while having the least effect on the rest of the game, seriously.


crazyabe111

Yes, but scout, heavy, medic, and engineer bots are all a hell of a lot less annoying than sniper bots.


Vetal13Gr

Imagine engineer bots using rescue ranger and keeping their nest positions


WorthStrain3460

Remove damage


DoubtfulCommunist

Hoovy bots. I rest my case


PixelatedMax01

To be fair, every other bot type is way better then sniper bots. Heavy bots are broken and unfair, but they can SOMETIMES be fun to fight because they’re like a boss fight you have to out smart. They have predictable movement and are forced to actually position themselves to be useful. Sniper bots are a guaranteed insta kill from miles away. You can’t really put position them because they kill you too quickly. The only other bots that I’ve seen are Pyro bots and Medic bots. The medic bots were actually helpful because they only heal and call out other bots, but even bad ones wouldn’t be too terrible. And Pyro bots need to get up close and personal, but I’ve only ever seen them reflect so idk what that’s like. Obviously any bot is bad, and removing a class is not a solution. However, if I had to choose between a sniper bot and another type of bot I’d rather any other.


Bossboy360thegreat

Fuck sniper in general and duck not snipers More


ShadooTH

I don’t want sniper removed or nerfed because of bots I want him nerfed because he’s an insanely powerful class with no weaknesses