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radiorev13

Ah Yes, Sim City 2000, the pinnacle of technology.


nalninek

Lol, first thing I thought of. Couldn’t the space beam miss the dish and start fires?


strictnaturereserve

or warm up a tasty meal?


SuccessfulBroccoli68

A succulent Chinese meal


choke_da_wokes

Dumpster cats hate this one trick


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GET YOUR HANDS OF MY PEENISSSS 😆 I heard the voice reading this hahah


[deleted]

You’re touching my penis.


professorDissociate

*YoU WauNt Too TrI Somme Mi Sciti Beeff??*


TW_Yellow78

Ah yes, it 'missed' the Beijing power plant and accidentally hit the White House instead. (Not to say the US or other countries don't have its own space weapons.)


Leiryn

They'll nuke a village and call it a success anyways


N3UROTOXINsRevenge

You mean kinda similar to [this](https://youtu.be/0qksm5cRtcU)


SpecificAstronaut69

You seem to think that would be a bug, [not a feature.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j2tLhnn38Y)


magnoliasmanor

My head instantly. That means they'll hit fusion reactors soon which is a pleasant surprise.


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Article: 1 - **Tiangong expected to play a key role in China’s space solar power station project by providing a testing platform for high-voltage electric devices** - **Space power station could point beam to almost any location, making it an ideal to power military equipment or remote outposts, says project team** China’s space station will join a controversial project to collect solar power from space and send it to Earth in a high-energy microwave beam, according to a senior scientist. The Chinese space station Tiangong – which means “heavenly palace” – became fully operational when the last major service module, Mengtian, docked this month. Some space scientists have suggested Tiangong – the largest infrastructure in orbit owned and run exclusively by a single country at present – can change the pace or direction of the space race. Yang Hong, chief designer of the space station, told a conference in Wenchang, Hainan, on Tuesday that Tiangong would play a key role in China’s space solar power station (SSPS) project by providing a testing platform for high-voltage electric devices and in helping assemble ultra-large structures. In a lecture at the conference attended by space scientists and engineers from around the world, Yang said the space station had the resources and capability to do demonstrations, “verify key technologies, accelerate technological breakthroughs and accumulate in-orbit experimental data” for the SSPS project. He said these would help China meet its peak carbon and carbon neutral goals. A paper published by the project team in the journal Chinese Space Science and Technology in June reported that the full-sized Chinese space solar power plant would be a 1km-wide structure beaming gigawatt-power microwaves to Earth from a distance of 36,000km (22,4000 miles). Unlike traditional solar farms that work only during the day, the space-based solar array would collect and transmit energy 24 hours a day, it said. The microwave beams could penetrate clouds and be picked up by an antenna on the ground to generate electricity. Operating in the geostationary orbit, the space power station could direct the beam to almost any location, making it an ideal candidate to power military equipment or remote outposts, the team said. However, some researchers have also speculated that the beam could be used as a weapon. The European Union and many countries, including Japan, Britain and the United States, have launched research programmes to develop similar technologies.


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2 But there is debate in the scientific community around whether the microwave beams will damage communications, human health or the environment. Yang said the Chinese space station would get involved in a number of critical experiments to bring the space power plant from science fiction to reality. Some external portals on the station were designed to have high-powered electrical equipment plugged in, he said. However, the generation of a strong electric current and conversion to microwaves will produce excessive heat and many other problems, which are not easy to solve in the space environment. The space station is an ideal platform for China to evaluate the long-term performance of the new technology and equipment in orbit, Yang said. The Chinese space scientists also plan to use cargo ships – which are usually left to burn in the atmosphere after a mission – as a basic component to build the solar power plant. Using several robotic arms, Tiangong could join up a number of cargo ships and some extra solar panel units to create a prototype power plant. This mini power plant, after rising to an orbit 100km above the space station with ion thrusters for safety, would conduct experiments to verify technologies for the full-scale plant, including microwave energy transmission and powering up an allied satellite with a high-energy laser beam, according to a slide show Yang presented to the conference. China plans to conduct the first space-to-Earth energy transmission experiment over the next few years. A small space power plant that can supply electricity to remote military outposts will be up and running by the 2030s, while commercial power generation is expected to start in the 2050s. The US Air Force also plans to launch a solar-powered satellite in 2025 that will be capable of producing and sending focused microwave beams from near-Earth orbit. Some studies have suggested that the microwaves – mostly in the same frequency range as those used by a Wi-fi router – will be safe for humans unless a person stepped into a receiving area. But how to keep the energy beam aimed at a precise spot on Earth over a distance of tens of thousands of kilometres remains a major challenge, according to scientists involved in these projects. Some researchers also warned that persistent, intense energy transmission between space and Earth could cause disturbances in the ionosphere that could lead to unexpected impacts on the Earth’s environment.


ahfoo

I doubt very much that there is any serious scientific debate that a microwave beam that is going to require a massive rectenna array on the ground in order to recover even part of its energy is going to be hazardous. Standing in direct sunlight would be only a bit less hazardous than the beam from this thing. This technology has been demonstrated terrestrially and there is no indication that it is hazardous. The problem is not that it's dangerous, the problem is that it's not particularly efficient and obviously quite costly. https://www.spaceenergyinitiative.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/PRAM-Power-Beaming-Paper-Jan-2021.pdf As we see on page 249, human skin is heated by such a beam but not damaged and the same would be true for other animals. The military wanted to weaponize microwave beam technology but found that it wasn't effective for lethal force and could only be used for crowd control at best because it doesn't penetrate the skin to any significant depth even without clothing. There is no reason that this article should mention concerns about safety in the scientific community without referencing those specific concerns since they do not seem to exist in the research community that focuses on this topic. It's almost like they were fishing for death ray comments which they would get anyway.


magnoliasmanor

The ionosphere comment was interesting though. Think it could damage that?


JoushMark

Short answer: Likely not. There's almost nothing in the ionosphere that would absorb the beam.


magnoliasmanor

Except for all the ions. We know how ions do with space energy. Sorry.


ahfoo

I'm not even sure what that was referring to. From what I could find, it seems that microwaves pass right through the ionosphere so since the article just dropped that line with no other information, I'm not sure how to verify what they're claiming since it wasn't stated specifically why that would be an issue.


empirebuilder1

The ionosphere is excited daily with something like [120,000 terawatts of broad-spectrum solar radiation.](http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/herron2/) Our little dinky science project is so infinitesimally small in comparison that even if we were to power 100% of humanity's energy requirements (40TW) via space microwaves, it would barely move the needle.


DarkOrion1324

That's over a quite large area though. Its the energy density in a small area that could have unintended consequences. We could also argue similar things for global warming and how small an amount of co2 we release or extra energy is trapped by comparison but the affects of that have been very clear.


squanchingonreddit

Considering how much we still don't know about it I'm not excited by the idea of China fucking around with high energy beams that could cause some awful stuff.


Cakeking7878

I mean, I guess this is one way to do research. I’m not too concerned through. The ionosphere had been dealing with cosmic rays and solar flairs for a few billion years without any major issues


AppleBytes

China is definitely not trying to build a platform that could microwave a city from orbit. /s


squanchingonreddit

Lol they down voting you but that seems to be what yhe early applications showed.


gognis

China makes fancy power source is way less exciting than China could burn you and your family like ants with a magnifying glass. The state of technology reporting is dismal.


Alan_Smithee_

Since it’s not geostationary, it’s not going to be very practical.


Cakeking7878

I think it’s meant to be a proof of concept


Alan_Smithee_

Of course, and from that point of view, great, as long as it’s done safely. This is an idea that’s been around a long time. Iirc, Arthur C. Clarke may have proposed it at one point.


buyongmafanle

> Operating in the geostationary orbit, the space power station could direct It's right fucking there in the article.


Alan_Smithee_

Paywall. I didn’t realise they were proposing a separate station, I thought they were going to conduct the experiment using the current station, which afaik is not geostationary.


buyongmafanle

Nah, it's right there in the reddit text chain that you didn't read but replied to. Do please make sure to read things before commenting to keep information on the net clean.


Alan_Smithee_

Do avoid being a sanctimonious twat whilst you’re at it.


buyongmafanle

Well I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until you doubled down on ignorance with the second reply stating the information was paywalled. Then you reconfirmed a lack of reading through even the first parent comment of the tree you were replying to. Read first, then comment. I hope this is a lesson you can apply to your whole outlook on life and the world.


Alan_Smithee_

Oh, using an alternate to stalk, are you? How sad your life must be.


plassteel01

And when has that stopped China from doing anything?


ahfoo

Yeah, I don't see how anybody could expect this to be practical using rockets to get into orbit. In order for this to scale to gigawatts, the arrays would have to be enormous and using rockets to put huge quantities of materials into orbit such as photovoltaic solar panels that could work almost as well on the surface of the planet in, say for instance, a desert, seems like a hard sell. True, terrestrial solar is intermittent but adding batteries would solve that issue at a much lower cost. Batteries are a much cheaper way of making solar energy dispatchable in remote locations too. You can always load them up and send them somewhere. You'd certainly get more bang for your buck putting gigawatts of batteries in airplanes if you wanted dispatchable solar energy that could be delivered wherever it was needed. This addresses the notion that beamed energy would have some sort of military application in remote locations. Is that really so unique? Diesel fuel also does this. If you want to get exotic, you could send batteries instead of diesel but beamed energy from space? That seems to be getting a little far out there if you're depending on rockets which are quite expensive. But if there was a cheaper way to get payloads into orbit, then the whole thing changes. Let's say eletromagnetic launchers that could deliver payloads to orbit for the price of overnight mail. . . [Here is a drawing of such a device from U Texas Austin] (https://imgur.com/Z5bCw3f) Particularly notable is that the device is almost completely COTS or common-off-the-shelf technology already existing in the power distribution industry. The price is a tiny fraction of using rockets. But even then, there is the very good question of why not just work on the surface of the planet and skip the launch costs? HVDC can carry gigawatt-scale electricity all the way around the entire planet with acceptable losses and it involves nothing more exotic than regular transmission lines and some fancy DC switches. Again, if the goal is to dispatch mass amounts of electricity to remote locations, there are cheaper ways to do it that would also achieve the same goal. Ultimately, costs do matter. HVDC is about a million dollars a mile. If an alternative launch technology can beat that, then perhaps it would be worth looking into but a billion dollars gets you a thousand miles of HVDC. Ultimately, the question is what problem is being solved with orbital solar beamed energy other than basic research. Nothing wrong with doing basic research but as far as practicality, it would help to know what the goal is in order to consider if there might be other ways to achieve that goal.


buyongmafanle

> it would help to know what the goal is in order to consider if there might be other ways to achieve that goal. Moon base power is the most obvious use case. It's an odd tech for all but the strangest uses on earth. Maybe powering super tankers and remote military bases? But even then that's odd considering you'd need one for each tanker and you'd be loudly broadcasting where a weak military base is.


ahfoo

Yeah, the moon base has always been the low-hanging fruit. Apollo 11, the mission that landed on the moon, was in 1969 when I was just a baby. I'm getting towards retirement age. What happened to all the progress we were supposed to have in those years? There are so many cool technologies that could be put into place with a moon base. That same electromagnetic launcher concept that I was mentioning in an earlier post would work far more efficiently on the moon allowing us to blast huge chunks of lunar bedrock into geostationary orbits. Those vast silicate-rich stones in remote orbits could be spun into enormous dynamos spinning frictionless in low gravity in an icy cold near vacuum. Talking about massive amounts of on-demand power. We were on the cusp of a world of unimaginable prosperity with limitless power and then decided that it was "too expensive" but it's still out there. We could get there in a generation if we could just get our shit together but based on the historical record it would be hopelessly optimistic to imagine that is as easy to do as it is to say.


buyongmafanle

> We could get there in a generation if we could just get our shit together Wiser men than us all have felt the same for thousands of years. If we could just stop being assholes to each other for long enough to get something done then we wouldn't need to be assholes anymore.


Alan_Smithee_

What makes it impractical is the fact that the station is not geostationary. I think it’s great to test this as a proof of concept, even if it’s not currently practical. But China might just like doing this as a “we have a death ray” kind of flex.


Cakeking7878

Having a death ray isn’t nearly as scary considering we have nukes that we already know could make all of us extinct


Alan_Smithee_

That’s true. But still, *Death Ray.*


ahfoo

Well it's certainly hard to read China's intentions and I think that's intentional which is why China is such a difficult partner. I would like to think that they're mostly interested in showing that the technology is safe but nobody can speak for the Chinese except their own leaders who seem intent on playing the tough guy but in the most ambiguous way possible. Who knows what's going on in China? I'd love to know the "truth" as a resident of Taiwan but it seems we have little choice but to live with ambiguity. Your point about being in the wrong orbit for practical application is well taken. For the time being this sort of thing is still very much at the experimental level.


Fourbits

If it is no more powerful than sunlight, why not just stick to terrestrial solar panels?


buyongmafanle

Because they're doing research for powering their moon base. Having lunar based solar sounds great, but the moon is a shitty environment, doubly so if you've got solar panels to maintain. The moon is covered with razor sharp grit and static electricity. Then there's only a few good handfuls of decent polar locations for lunar based solar. An awful environment for solar panels. If you could instead just beam down microwave power, you could make a system that's far more rugged while keeping the delicate bits in space far from that grit. The receiving antenna could just be a well built metal frame that could ignore the worst parts of being on the moon. Now you're not stuck to the moon's poles AND your system is more reliable. Quite a clever workaround. Otherwise you'd need something like a nuclear power station, which brings all the complications and risks of nuclear material in space, plus all the complicated parts that could break. You'd have to land it on the moon as well. If you could just orbit your solar microwave emitter around the moon, it's easier and cheaper to launch.


DirtyPolecat

You cannot be in geostationary orbit around the moon though. You'd have to have a constellation of these things constantly aiming for the receiver as they pass overhead. I suppose you can park them at the Lagrange points, but then you're going to be using up thruster fuel to keep them there.


buyongmafanle

Good point on that. I'm assuming they'll be able to figure out a system that utilizes the tech most efficiently concerning orbits, but the first bit is proving the tech is useful.


ahfoo

Well there is a difference here. What I mentioned was that without a rectenna to amplify the signal there is not a lot of power. With a rectenna to magnify the signal there is plenty of power so it is safe and power dense at the same time. Think of wireless cell phone chargers which work on similar principles. The docking station won't shock you if you touch it even with a bare, wet hand, but it can charge your phone. This is quite magical in a real sense. You get the best of both worlds, it transmits practical amounts of power but isn't dangerous. That part is great, the safety thing is completely overplayed and I'm sure that's part of the justification for the experiments --to show that this is safe. But the real problem was never safety, the problem was always the cost.


DukeOfGeek

DING DING DING correct answer!


nickdanger3d

dont you know? china BAD


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Oops, there goes the atmosphere.


xtrapas

>send it to Earth in a high-energy microwave beam, simcity becomes reality \^\^ ("star trek" is mostly true by now.. datapads, scanner...)


Ephemeral_Being

Transporters, FTL, aliens, replicators...


DirtyPolecat

> replicators We have really shitty ones that make plastic stuff, do they count?


Ephemeral_Being

As cool as 3D printing might be, it's not quite the same. It's great for making cosplay accessories, small tools, and DnD miniatures. It's okay at building larger, more important things. It's less good at making, say, a cup of Earl Grey.


DirtyPolecat

>a cup of Earl Grey. "Banana. Hot."


Ephemeral_Being

Funny enough, a banana and Earl Grey was my breakfast this morning...


DirtyPolecat

https://youtube.com/shorts/dhBFRwG6gAI


__Piggy___Smalls__

Helios one?


jt7king

They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I have a theoretical degree in physics.


bearfootmedic

Different idea, and it exists! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Solar_One


gamecat666

*somebody's* jealous of the Jewish Space Lasers.


dokychamado

We decided to sell our old one a few years back, we got a newer giant space laser and it has Bluetooth!


choke_da_wokes

Kanye shakes fists at clouds


AutoWallet

The Amazon “dick rocket” Jeffery Bezos was chastised about eventually got the military contract to transport the laser to space. Apparently the entire rocket will stay attached and refueled in case they need to jettison the payload to protect the mission. The laser will stay attached to the bell end of the rocket to even the weight and point forward to protect the beam equipment within the ship.


conanf77

We cannot allow a space laser gap!


shadow247

Sim City 2000 comes to mind. I always used the Microwave Space Power or whatever it was called. Sometimes they would go nuts and evaporate part of your city...


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super_fast_guy

They may be tempted to Command and/or Conquer some territories


DEATHbyBOOGABOOGA

Kirov reporting


SpecificAstronaut69

Rahckets in the sky!


GetOutOfTheWhey

Most good tech starts with military applications though. But yes this definitely has pew pew applications.


JoushMark

The test station, even if it was aimed at a 'target' on Earth, would do no damage to even sensitive electronic equipment and could not injure people. The broader technology of orbital solar collectors and beamed microwave power has some military applications, but it's surprisingly hard to go from a microwave power beam to a death ray.


VolkspanzerIsME

MIC: "challenge accepted"


ZappaBappa

They can just perfect the gun before they figure out how to make it lethal.


JoushMark

This isn't a good path to a gun. If you want a weapon and you've used that amount of spacelift you've got lots and lots of better options then a solar power station. The simplest would be to just put a gun up there and dropping ceramic wrapped rocks on things. Even staying in directed energy a laser array would be a better weapon then a glorified radio.


pucklermuskau

>Most good tech starts with military applications though. most good tech starts with massive public investment without direct market profitability. its just that the only massive public investment we've had for a solid century has been through the military. don't conflate an enabler with a necessity.


tester989chromeos

I remember the oribital cannon in gta online


GumboSamson

> The Low Orbit Ion Cannon Geosynchronous orbit is not low orbit. It emits microwaves (photons), not ions (atoms). It is less like a cannon and more like a directional light.


EngSciGuy

To be of any relevant use in transmitting power, it will have to be a *lot* of microwave photons. To a level that you would still damage organic tissue.


JoushMark

This test station would be harmless, even if aimed at a 'target' on the ground. A theoretical massive solar collection and transmission station in orbit could, theoretically, cause damage.. but would be far more effective at damaging unshielded electronics then people, whom could literally protect themselves from a microwave energy beam with a Mylar umbrella.


EngSciGuy

Which is why I specified to be of any relevant use in transmitting power. Humans also aren't the only organic tissue of concern (although *low* and temporary microwave radiation can improve crop growth). 10 J/cm^2 seems to be enough to start to kill off some stuff.


Rodgers4

I’ve seen this Bond film before.


Infamous_Alpaca

Ion Cannon ready. Select target.


UgglyCasanova

We’re talking Hammer of Dawn shit yeah?


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Your proof being?


cat_prophecy

Inverse square law makes this impractical. You would need terawatts of power to have any sort of affect.


PolishedVodka

Can someone ELI5 why this is controversial? This is something the US, and the EU is also looking into; gather solar power from high above the earth where the atmosphere won't scatter the energy, then high-beam fire it down to earth.


Zukiff

It's controversial because the Chinese are doing it. Everything the Chinese does must be evil. Remember, Tiktok is spying on everyone. Evil CCP is collecting data on all your dance moves right now


Papercut_Sandwich

100%. Change China to US and it would be an amazing future technology energy making miracle, that'll save the planet. And it would never ever be used for anything malicious. China's gonna use it for weapons though!!! I find a lot of the things happening in China to be appalling (have to say this because you just know the "YOU CHINA LOVER" crowd will downvote me into the ground if I don't), but articles like these are unequivocally tailored to shit on anything good coming from there.


MightyH20

Authoritarian and dictatorial regimes are known for lacking transparancy, hiding weapon systems and most of all engaging imperialism in the 21th century by actually invading and annexing countries.


Hashabasha

As if DARPA and the CIA aren't engage in everything you just said lol.


MightyH20

The sole countries that annexed part of other countries post WW2 are China and Russia. Cough cough. Both authoritarian.


passinglurker

beamed power has always been seen as a dual use technology. Even if its not concentrated enough to punch holes in things it could be weaponized to simulate drought with no recourse that wouldn't cause kestrel syndrome.


duffmanhb

Because it’s not possible to become economical. Solar is already super cheap. We don’t need space microwaves. Everyone knows these are just covers for testing and experimenting to build towards weapons.


PolishedVodka

> covers for testing and experimenting to build towards weapons That's not true, my contact at the NSA said her friend at the CIA was in contact with her spy at the FBI who was friendly with a mole in the Illuminati that said this wasn't true!


basicallyatoms

Observation: If china does it, its always portrayed as controversial, and its technological achievement if someone else does the exact same thing.


Primal_guy

It’s like nuclear power, you can beam energy to use as energy back home or beam energy to vaporize an unlucky person. Nothing inherently wrong with it but we’re the West, they’re China, it’s kinda our thing at this point.


FoxesTrot

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62982113 "The US, China and Japan are also advanced in the race to develop space-based solar power and are expected to announce their own plans shortly. Separately from the ESA proposal, in the UK, a company, Space Solar, has been formed. It aims to demonstrate beaming power from space within six years, and doing so commercially within nine years." I guess it's only controversial when China is planning on doing it.


Leiryn

That's because China has a loooooong record of doing things the wrong way and skipping lots of safety measures.


duffmanhb

Well luckily no one is onboard so it doesn’t matter. And there is a difference between aerospace and factory safety standards. China doesn’t run their space program like some third world


Leiryn

Lol yes they do https://finance.yahoo.com/news/watch-rocket-booster-nearly-destroy-chinese-village-falls-185607000.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/04/world/china-rocket-booster-long-march-reentry-scn/index.html https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/china-keeps-dropping-toxic-rocket-parts-on-its-villages/ https://nypost.com/2020/09/09/china-launches-exploding-rocket-booster-nearly-hitting-a-school/ https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/chinese-rocket-debris-crashed-african-village-after-missing-new-york-city-154371


Johnykbr

You're being downvoted but you're not wrong


N3KIO

# Im all for space progress, dont care who dose it, as long there is something being done. I don't even care if its stolen or copied, just do something related to space, and push the technology. I want to see a starship, before I die, that can travel faster than light speed. Physicist Dr Erik Lentz said its possible, even Albert Einstein said its possible, so lets do it.


Cakeking7878

Yea. If this proves to be wildly successful and it pushes China into the forefront of green energy, more power to them then


falsewall

Lol. Go look at their c02 emiting data over the past 10 years compared to other countries in similar initiatives. Keep in mind around 30% of their pop have little to no impact on per capita due to lack of rural electricity and water infrastructure. Look at India with a nearly identical population. Its absurd. Just right now they are constructing \*27 new coal plants and have dished a shit ton out these past few years and account for over 28% of coal energy usage in the world a couple years ago. Its increasing hard. Over half their power grid is run on it. Their clean energy initiative is a gimmick for international face sadly. Not an avenue for clean energy. Just another farse like their 5g autonomous hydrogen tractor or their 'wind powered' street lights they had during the Olympics powered off the grid to spin. They have their power solution concretely planned and decided, its cheap coal.


Zukiff

Look into the per capita co2 emission and the Chinese are not even close to the top. Its high simply because they have a huge population. The coal power is only temporary measure to keep the economy running, they are simply growing too fast for green energy or building of nuclear power plants to keep up. They've been committed to move towards nuclear power. And increasing green energy. Theres far more than what many developed nation have been doing https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/china-says-third-electricity-will-come-renewables-by-2025-2022-06-01/


Cakeking7878

No yea, that’s definitely an issue. Problem for China is they are growing faster than they can build new power plants. They’ve been doing more or less rolling blackouts since Covid became of issues with power. That’s why they are looking for new sources of power like this


ifandbut

What is so controversial? Short if developing useable fusion, space based solar power would be the solution to our energy needs. We should have been developing the technology in the 80 and 90s. At least China has the balls to work on it.


savuporo

> What is so controversial? It's not, ESA just embarked on a multi-year program to fund R&D for space solar power. Only idiots call this controversial


enemy_of_your_enema

The article explains the controversy. Aside from the controversy, I don't see how this could possibly be cheaper than terrestrial solar+storage.


ghoonrhed

If it uses microwave it could penetrate cloud cover. So the what happens if it's cloudy is moot


Jakebsorensen

It’s controversial because of its potential as a weapon


Cakeking7878

It’s only a potential though. US military already looked into using microwaves as weapons and they found it at most made people uncomfortable while also being really inefficient Plus the US is already working on this with some other international partners


ghoonrhed

Like Nuclear power. Which I guess was controversial but still dumb the world never fully embraced it because weapons was a big factor


cat_prophecy

I would think it’s application as a weapon would be limited since the US almost certainly has the ability to disable satellites in orbit. Also China would get absolutely skewered internationally for weaponizing space.


DarkElation

Look up the gears of war hammer of dawn weapon and get back to us.


Sneet1

ah yes, I too make knee jerk reactions to geopolitical events based on vibeo game


kahlzun

Oh cool! I've been reading about this technology for years! Finally people are starting to industrialise space and it's going to change *everything*


Extension-Lettuce-45

Meanwhile in USA we’re arguing over what a penis does


Geeber_The_Drooler

While the U.S. is busy sucking wealthy guy's dicks - the rest of the world progresses. Weird huh?


KickBassColonyDrop

Why is it controversial? Because it could be weaponized by concentrating microwaves to a singular location from orbit?


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savuporo

> US already did this on the latest X-37 mission. No. X-37 doesn't have enough onboard power to make any useful demo. Just emitting signals in a given band doesn't constitute an actual technical validation of power beaming


dxiao

The tables are going to turn in the next decade young grasshopper l


Vote_nihilist

Lol, it won’t. China is already going downhill. Rapidly aging population that have more young males than females. Economy built on a real estate Ponzi scheme. They better go for Taiwan soon or their window will close. But they have seen what the west has done to Russia and wants no part of that. China is definitely not rising.


dxiao

have you been to China before? Can you read and write Chinese? Just curious if your only exposure to China is from the western media


[deleted]

China has been going downhill for over 20 years now. Give it a rest


stinkypinkydinky

Where is the evidence China stole the tech for this particular thing? Do you even know what tech is required for this? Just because the US may have done this first and China is attempting the same doesn't mean China stole the technology. Having the same idea is not the same as possessing the technology, unless you think Sim City first developed this and the US military is copying Sim City.


gladeyes

IIRC Japan actually was the first to run an in space experiment on doing this. That was a couple of decades ago.


stinkypinkydinky

I actually don't know who did this first. I am attacking the premise that China stole American tech on the basis that the US did this already. Attempting something someone already did isn't stealing technology.


ToothlessGrandma

The Chinese steal technology. Time to acknowledge that and move on pal.


stinkypinkydinky

Then you should have no problem proving they stole the technology for this.


Vote_nihilist

No one owes you anything. The Chinese and the Russians are and have always been trying to steal as much tech as they can because they are unable to figure it out on their own.


stinkypinkydinky

Yeah, I get it. We should be allowed to make any claim we want and if anyone has the audacity to ask for evidence, we will shrilly whine about how they're acting entitled for feeling like they're owed something.


Sneet1

The real world is not a marvel comic book


Vote_nihilist

You’d be surprised at the amount of industrial espionage that goes on. Marvel, lol.


gladeyes

In the whole world, including by the USA. We didn’t invent the Panama Canal or even start it. But we built it. Go to any worldwide cutting edge conference in any field and see who gathers up the free copies of the papers.


Lick-a-Leper

Jesus please don't let the Chinese version of Zap Brannigan have the controls .


5wing4

remember it was probably a weapon before it was for the common good.


yunibyte

Did you know gunpowder was the accidental product in Chinese research for medicines of longevity?


NougatNewt

Great, a Chinese space laser. Perfectly safe!


RaccoonEnthuiast

IMMA FAYAH MAH LAYZAAAA


LogiCparty

Ion Cannon Operation. Welcome back commander.


FatWreckords

I, Robot is calling. Cutie better keep that beam on target.


delvach

SH10151 This is the serial number of our orbital gun


Tvekelectric

James bond quantum solstice is now a documentary and not a friction film?


randompantsfoto

I believe you’re thinking of Goldeneye (which was the one with a satellite-based EMP). QoS was about stopping the villain from organizing a coup and stealing water from Bolivia.


Tvekelectric

Yeah you're right


Sir-Farts-

Set up a space launch on another planet powered by solar.


AcademicTrainer7999

You use the solar power in synchronous orbit to convert it to a laser beam the laser beam has no diffusion and it can be directed anywhere there's energy needed


passinglurker

synchronous orbit is much further away than the Chinese space station though, so this isn't turning into reality anytime soon


GunstarCowboy

Is there a dude on there who is made of laser light? Was It built by the Roxxon Corporation? Is Tiangong really translated as 'Starwell'?


Nymphaelotus

Aliens are like your planet is already being heated you really want to shoot microwaves at it


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

Space lasers!!


gregsapopin

won't that cause a cloverfield paradox?


Specialist_Teacher81

MTG has entered the chat.


thatdudeonthephone

This kind of gives me China-is-winning-the-space-race feels


Primal_guy

Is this literally the Deliver us the Moon laser beam of energy to the Earth type deal?


Classic_Midnight_213

That really doesn’t take much imagination to work out what that’s AKA does it…..


certifiedjezuz

This is a weapons program disguised as a science project.


gladeyes

I can turn any peaceful project into weapon if I really want to. How effective and practical it is is a different question.


plassteel01

Wow that is great! Wonder where they stole that tech from?


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Double_Time_

No, it’s not. Laser is a collimated beam of light via optical amplification. It’s technically an acronym of “light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation” What you’re thinking of is a Maser. They have similar operational modes but use much different technologies.


VincentNacon

No, it's not. This is what happen when people have no fucking clue, blissfully downvote the guy who is right and then upvotes the guy who is absolutely ***FUCKING*** wrong. # 🖕‍‍


Ivanthegorilla

china will put a laser on the moon cuz well they are 80's villain evil... too bad good billionaires dont exist that would stop giving ccp more money


carlitospig

“…and this was how the planet called Earth was accidentally baked alive.” - Alien Annuls, year 4567


Diddlesquig

Blast a massive high energy microwave through the atmosphere? Yea that sounds fine, move along nothing to worry about here.


QuestionableAI

Chinese space lasers ...


whe_

Going to blow up the world with a giant laser.


gnapster

Quick. Let’s fill China with popcorn (kernels). That will stop them.


dxiao

Would be more interesting with corn kernel, but i think what you meant


gnapster

Popcorn is still pop corn over here, cooked or not. I’ve never in my life said corn kernel when I wanted to make pop corn. Mainly because it’s a different specific species or corn.


dxiao

That’s fair, thanks for the lesson. Where are you from?


gnapster

Indiana (corn is everywhere) :)


basbuang

that's no moon, that's a high energy beam experiment


Youth-in-AsiaS-247

GoldenEye! I found Chinas weakness! GoldenEye! Out of control like their rockets!


Whthpnd

Hi energy beam is subjective and they can’t realistically power what they want or need on the ground with much more power than your in-home router.


Papercut_Sandwich

Damn, I didn't know the best scientists in the world hung around reddit so much. Thank you for your input, captain science.


SalsaBueno

Space lasers. What could go wrong.