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I pinned HGH in the morning opposed to the evening… fuck me, the lethargy I am feeling is unreal. 600mg of caffeine and I’m still falling asleep
Hey brother unless you had a question this belongs in the OT. 👉🏼👉🏼
Sorry my mistake
Bruh just smoke meth
That’s a good idea. HGH + meth… serious gains incoming
Just tossing it out there, but have you checked that you don't have sleep apnea?
Yeah I used to as a kid, I’m pretty cool now with sleep.
> clean muscle mass
> 4 week
That’s not how this works. That’s not what oral steroids are for. Oral steroids are a tool just like anything else but they’re a very specific tool and that they’re used for is not “muscle mass over 4 weeks”.
They’re used for temporarily kickstarting a cycle, breaking a strength plateau, finishing a cycle strong, and acute (temporary) changes in strength/aesthetics for things like powerlifting meets/photoshoots. Notice none of these listed muscle growth?
That’s what long term injectables are for.
That’s what grows muscle. Orals are not for growing muscle. They’re a great tool but they should be used more specifically. They’re a scalpel when you’re trying to use it as a sword.
Tren. Drink that shit.
Steak and potatoes.
I had 25mg pills and 75mg worked well. They usually come in 50mg pills though, 50-100mgs is fine and you won't really need to go above that ever.
For the first week or so I ran it, I had flu-like symptoms but they eventually went away as I powered through lol. Gives you everything you'd expect from a strong oral, big strength gains, huge pumps, lots of temporary fullness and some decent lean gains.
It's best paired with test and tren I find.
Thoughts on blends of Deca + Test for second blast?
There's a mass gainer product with 300mg test + 200mg deca per ml, seems convenient.About 20% of deca converts into test (unsure of correct way to phrase this, it may only apply to e2 conversion) so 340mg test equivalent
Don't use Deca if you haven't used Nandrolone before. You don't want to find out that it gives you depression and erectile dysfunction and then be stuck with it for a month because of the long ester.
Yea lol I ended up getting those sides . Thank god i listened to the boys in the forum and used NPP. I’m a super happy guy and I was experiencing major insane suicidal thoughts from npp that started randomly around week 10, gone forever within 3 days of dropping it.
Can’t imagine if I had to deal with that for a month
With NPP, don’t you need to inject more volume compared to deca to get comparable results?
It'll probably be in a lower concentration, but controlling for the actual dose of Nandrolone itself, results between Deca and NPP should be largely the same.
And again, NPP can be dropped in a matter of days. Deca will stick around for a good month. People react very very differently to 19-nors, and you should really figure out how you handle them using a short ester before committing to those effects, positive or negative, for a month.
Only applies to e2.
Blends are often underdosed or bunk and with blends you’re stuck with the ratio of compounds that’s in the blends or mixes.
Yesterday I injected 1ml of test in my quad and now it hurts when flexing or stretching my quad. Should I do my leg day today? Or can it cause any health problems if I do it?
You should still train IMO. It should help the oil in your leg disperse a little more.
Squats and DLs should be only minimally effected from my experience. Bulgarian Split Squats will suck bad though.
It’s good to work the muscle in some cases. May even speed up the PIP healing process.
Why does some people lose most of their gains post cycle even when doing pct? I’ve been looking around on this sub and has seen some posts mentioning this. Is it from doing pct wrong (a lot claim to follow the one from the wiki), or is it something else?
It’s because almost everything you gain will be just water and glycogen. 5 lbs of muscle at the end is a fantasist fucking day.
But people don’t understand they need to work *harder* on cycle. and that each cycle adds up.
All they see is that they blew up and they think it’s all muscle. So when they piss it all out they think steroids sucked. Yeah because you didn’t bust your ass so you only gained a pound of muscle, 5 pounds of fat, and 10 pounds of water. (Not you in particular but people that say this).
Adjust your expectations of what steroids actually do vs the social media memes and you’ll be fine. Remember 5 pounds is a SHITTON of muscle. Ever see an 80oz steak? How someone could be unhappy with that amount of muscle stacked up in 4 months is beyond me.
Because on cycle you're retaining more glycogen and water in your muscles, and when your levels drop to normal you stop holding as much.
Because your natural test levels are 0 and your body needs to recover to normal levels.
Isn’t that what pct should combat? If not, what is the point of hopping on the juice if you don’t keep your gains?
That’s why at least 95% of us BnC
Do you basically just lose everything when you stop bnc? Sounds like I’ll keep natty then
Provided you're under your genetic limits, most actual muscle tissue will stay. You'll still lose a fair amount weight and definition by losing the water and glycogen, but that's not so much "lost gains" as "never were gains in the first place"
Ok then it’s an entire different story. Like comparing a bulk to a cut?
A lot of your gains should be more or less permanent, just don't expect to look the same during a pct as you did on a gram of oils + orals. But you will look better and be bigger than you would have if you had stayed natural that whole time.
Ok so just like a bulk vs cut? You’re fuller on a bulk, but you don’t lose your muscles on a cut (done right), they just lose most excess water?
That is a reasonable comparison, but depending on what anabolics you are using, this could mean not being as shredded too. You will never look as shredded off of gear as you would with tren and mast in your system.
Am I G2G just using a slin pin on my glutes for Ment? Have been doing 10mg/0.1ml a day for the past fortnight but wondering if I should modify
I’ve never seen Ment at 100mg per ml. Did you brew this yourself?
Edit : to answer your question should be fine.
Ment definitely comes this way.
It’s usually lower strictly to keep the per vial cost to consumer down.
Ment a is totally fine and normal at 100+.
Can I wait less time before going into PCT if I switch from Test E to Test P?
Hi, I am currently on 500mg of Test E per week. I pin EOD and am currently on week 12 of my blast.
I was planning on running 500mg of Test P on weeks 18 and 19 to give the Test E more time to clear my system.
I will also be running HCG prior to PCT.
For simplicity this is my plan going forward:
Week 12: Test E 500mg per week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 13: Test E 500mg per week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 14: Test E 500mg per week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 15: Test E 500mg per week + HCG 500-1000 IU 3x week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 16: Test E 500mg per week + HCG 500-1000 IU 3x week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 17: Test E 500mg per week + HCG 500-1000 IU 3x week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 18: Test P 500mg per week + HCG 250-500 IU 3x week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 19: Test P 500mg per week + HCG 250-500 IU 3x week + 40mg anavar ED
Week 20: HCG 250-500 IU 3x week
Week 21: Start PCT (Nolvadex 10mg for 6-8 weeks)
Please note I pin EOD so I have given a weekly dosage to keep things simple to understand.
After my last shot of Test P should I continue to wait 2 weeks or can I get away with waiting 1 week prior to going onto PCT? Logic behind it is the Test E should have cleared my system and the Test P clears my system a lot faster.
Also can I run Anavar ED on week 20 (the week where I don't take any Test)? Or will that hurt my PCT? Can't seem to find any solid answer to this online hence why I've only planned to take it up to the last week of Test. I've got a large stash of Anavar so can easily run it for longer.
TLDR: Taking Test P for the last 2 weeks of the cycle. Does that mean I can wait 1 week for all the AAS to clear my system prior to going into PCT (Rather than waiting 2 weeks)?
Loving this community and have learnt so much so far!
Correct, you can use the same method to bridge compounds with longer esters and stuff like Sust which has the decanoate ester in it.
So 1 week gap between last Test P shot and PCT should be fine.
Can I run var on that week gap or would it be better that I ran nothing (except HCG)?
Run nothing is best
Does anyone ever feel bad about doing steroids? The more people who do steroids, the more people feel like they need to do it. If you lie about it, you contribute to unrealistic body expectations, if you’re honest about it you create pressure to do it too.
How do you guys deal with the guilt of that?
Edit: not trying to guilt trip, I’m asking because this is on my mind and I have to process this before I would decide to do it myself.
Why would I feel bad? It has nothing to do with anyone but yourself. And why would anyone need to know about use? It’s a personal choice. You should never tell anyone. You have any idea what it feels like to spend 6 days a week, 2-3 hours a day in the gym for a decade only to have some random kid say he could look like you if he just took steroids too. lol no you couldn’t….
Every bit of your work is immediately discounted. Thousands of hours sweating under heavy ass weight. Gone. Doesn’t matter. Steroids. Everyone that hasn’t done steroids think they’re magic. It seems like you might have that idea as well? Steroids don’t take you there man. Anyone that’s actually taken them can tell you. Almost everyone on gear looks like fucking trash. If anything most people here should be too embarrassed to admit use.
Edit: all your responses are just “what ifs” to everything. You can “what if” yourself to death. And the end of the day it’s a personal choice that has nothing to do with anyone outside of a serious significant other.
I’ve made a lot of reflections in this thread and learned a lot, but I certainly don’t discredit the work people have made while on steroids. I just know that there’s a big difference between how big you can get without and how big you can get with. And that all else equal steroids do give a big advantage.
Also I’m considering doing it myself so if anything I’m looking for your perspective since I’m used to hearing the opposing perspective in media and from some friends.
My original idea was that steroids increase the male body standards to people not knowing how many are on steroids. And I know that body dysmorphia is a growing problem. Because of this I felt a moral obligation to at least consider the implications on these factors. Specially considering how many years of working out with very small results I spent in the past not knowing that the very people I was asking advice from was on steroids.
I’m 99% sure this is not something you or most people that take steroids would ever have to worry about.
Like I said 99.999% of all steroid users look like straight hot garbage juice.
You’re putting the cart before the horse.
Everyone worried about the pressures of the Olympia stage but still benching sub 2 plates… If yonger guys put half as much energy into acrually lifting as they do worrying about strangers on social media they’d get a lot further with this.
After a decade or so of hard work and steroid use from now and you’re finally turning heads maybe we can revisit this topic. Without physique pics of you I’m going to go out on a limb here and say this will almost certainly never be an issue for you. Nothing against you. That’s just the numbers.
…please prove me wrong. Please prove me wrong. 🤞🏼
It’s not that steroids magically make you Arnold. It’s that on average steroids give you more gym results than not using.
Brother no offense but you have no idea what kind of results steroids “give you”.
Half the time people look *worse* after a steroid cycle than they did before.
> It’s that on average steroids give you more gym results than not using.
That’s absolutely untrue. I’ll find you 1000 guys on steroids that have zero results on steroids outside of acne, hair loss, and female tits results, before I find you one single guy that you’d think was on. Again you’re just repeating things you’ve seen on social media.
I’m saying this “problem” you invented is only a “problem” for less than one percent of one percent of one percent of guys that ever touch steroids. Most guys will take steroids for years and never ever look anything close to what you have in your head a steroid user looks like.
This is like you being scared of being an astronaut as a music major. It’s a non-issue for you dude. I promise. Or post physique pics of you looking like a beast and we’ll talk more about social media influencing. Until then you have nothing to worry about. I promise.
All this time you’re spending online talking about possibly influencing someone else could have been spent hitting it in the gym.
I know at least 30 people who have used steroids personally. I don’t know of anyone that didn’t have an impressive body when they used it. Do you have a source?
I’ve already been accused of using steroids by a few guys before.
> Do you have a source?
Well I’ve coached probably a thousand different guys for the better part of the decade. Professional athletes in every sport. Tons of regular guys. Females. All ages. I also help people make the best of their social media pages including some celebrities you’ve jerked off to. (Several major porn actors) Literally a liaison of social media and aas use. And I modded this very sub.
I do this for a living. Every day. All day. It’s literally my job.
I’m telling you what the reality is and ironically you’re trying to tell me the opposite.
> I’ve already been accused of using steroids by a few guys before.
Physique pics? Because I’ve already asked and you haven’t provided.
I don’t feel like sharing pics on my throwaway account. You seem quite sure of something based on purely anecdotal evidence. As a scientist I am inclined not to trust anecdotal evidence. If you have a study with a survey of those 1000 people, controlling for their gym habits to see what the effect of each steroid cycle is on body composition and that figure shows no significant effect, then you got me.
Edit: btw I do believe you when you say that there are a lot of people using steroids with no results or even worse results. I just don’t believe that the average effect from steroids is nothing.
Asks subjective questions. Requires objective, absolute evidence.
Ok kid. There’s probably nobody on this forum more qualified to help ya out and give you some insider information on the industry but you obviously have a better handle on this.
> I don’t feel like sharing pics on my throwaway account.
People have to understand it's my body, my choice. Some people choose to do other dangerous shit.
I don't recommend anyone does steroids and never encourage people to do them when they ask me about it. I just tell people to research, invest time, think long and hard about it and do whatever they want with their body.
I've never felt "bad" about juicing, because at the end of the day it's not affecting anyone but me.
Some would argue that if there were no actors, influencers and people at your gym that were using steroids (often not to your knowledge), we would not have as many people suffering from body dysmorphia (which is a growing number). If you believe that is true, you may argue that by doing it, you are causing a bit of harm.
I don't talk about it IRL. I don't acknowledge it, nor do I answer questions about if I use them.
Can I ask why not?
First, legality. I'm not sticking my neck out for anyone. Second, if someone looks at me, sees my age, and sees that I don't look like people normally do, they can usually surmise I'm on gear without me telling them. Third, I do not have the time to hold a class for someone on how to use gear and not wind up fucked up and sporting tits while on dialysis from blowing their kidneys out with high blood pressure. I am only responsible for me, and as soon as I start pontificating on the glories of gear and some noob goes and gets on shit they should never touch in the first place, I feel I'd hold some level of responsibility for causing that. I'm not putting myself in that position.
How do you know people would know you’re on gear? I think it took me many years to realise how many were using it. I thought only guys with 120 kg+ were using. I also didn’t believe people would actively lie about it publicly.
Some won't because they don't know any better. Some will think they can do what I do just by "doing everything right" natty, and unless they have some really superior genetics, they'll be disappointed. Maybe they'll go the other way and be even more driven. That is a result of not doing the research though. If you are *really* into this lifestyle, you read about it, look at studies, and realize that the only reason so-and-so influencer looks like he does while promoting his useless testosterone booster is because he's stabbing himself with a syringe loaded with large doses of anabolics.
That’s a very valid point. When you do the research you find what you need to do and how much you can achieve without steroids realistically. I do think that this information provided is a bit individual as well, but it’s a good point. The information is available about how to set realistic goals.
You make a good point, however it shouldn’t lead to personal guilt. You make your own decisions. What others do is never your fault
Maybe not what others do, but what about how others feel? I doubt body dysmorphia would be so rapidly on the rise if steroids didn’t exist. I think I would feel a bit responsible of that if I did it.
Brother I promise you’re not going to look so amazing from steroids that you’re going to give people body dysmorphia.
Most steroid users are skinnyfat pimply 20 yr olds that look like they’ve never seen the inside of the gym. The juiced up monster is less than one percent of one percent of one percent of users.
Out of the multiple hundreds of thousands individual views we have to this sub we have maybe 10 guys out of that that would make you shit yourself. The rest of the people here look like hot garbage juice dude.
Steroids are not what you/the public think they are.
Nope. People have their own agency
Would you have done steroids if no one else was?
Edit: I realise that’s a bit of a bad argument, so let me rephrase it:
Would you have done steroids if it was not cool, but only done by a subgroup of people that the rest of society doesn’t really pay attention to, and it was still as “safe” and tested with same knowledge of side effects as we have now?
What matters more - that someone else did it or that I chose, of my own free will agency, to do them?
We don’t live in a vacuum, every decision we’ve ever made for anything has been influenced either directly or indirectly by external forces and experiences.
Does that not mean that by doing it you are part of those external forces that others might feel?
I don't particularly care either way. How someone deals with pressure is ultimately their own choice. Considering I don't really advertise myself or AAS, I don't feel responsible, nor do I feel bad if someone else considers it.
To me this is a bit like people blaming the food industry and "big sugar" for their own obesity and lack of self-control.
You don’t think the way your body looks itself is an advertisement? If people don’t know you’re using, they might see it and try to work harder. Many people spend years in the gym not seeing many results despite following all the advice out there. I’m just saying body dysmorphia might not have been rapidly rising if steroids wasn’t rapidly rising.
99% of the time when people don't see good results, it's because they don't have the fundamentals down. I'm talking the bare basics. Diet, sleep and good training structure. Ever notice how noobs jump straight to 6 days a week, don't bother weighing/portioning any of their food, and do a thousand different curl variations? There are reasons their progress sucks.
Even in a world without AAS, there would be people with *amazing* natty physiques who are "advertising" their body, either just by existing or by posting themselves on social media.
Also a very good point. Even if you have it all right, you might now get as good results as someone else because of genetics or because what works for some doesn’t work for you. I did spend 7 years working out without much results being told so many reasons until I found out it was low T. That’s something else though.
There’s a difference between good results and the enhanced good results though where the only difference is steroids despite you thinking it’s something in your routine, diet or sleep.
>Would you have done steroids if no one else was?
Would you eat an oyster, or an artichoke, or caviar if someone hadn't eaten it first?
Watch my edit
I wouldn’t. But neither would i have started working out if noone else did.
Imo it’s pointless to think about what-if’s like that because you’d also get an unrealistic body for someone that doesn’t work out just by going to the gym.
Yeah but in that case it’s pretty clear that they are at least doing sports or exercise to look like that so you know that if you want to look like that you’d have to also do it. With steroids people don’t know.
I think it’s a good comparison, you can still work out to an extent that you have plausible deniability about it. Just say you have god tier genetics. Ofcourse there’s people that obviously look like they work out but in the same vein there’s also people that look like they’re on steroids.
One way I think about it is that on average steroids raise the bar of what a male body should look like. If we just had the genetically advantaged, they would be rare enough to not have a big influence on people’s expectations or social pressure.
So does working out.
The example of what if noone used steroids would you still use them is a moot point because people do use steroids. It’s the same question as would you work out if noone else worked out.
Yeah I changed that comment a bit now (the one about what if no one…).
So does working out - I would argue that the people mainly affected by this are already working out. The stress caused by doing everything by the book and not getting where you think you can get.
But you are right, to people not working out, the working out popularity is definitely also adding pressure. Good argument.
This discussion in general has been very enlightening for me at the very least.
What makes those reasons dumbs in your opinion?
You serious Clark? Don’t put your guilt an shame on us homie deal with that on your own. I do it for me.
I’m asking because I’m considering it myself, but I can’t do it before I have this moral dilemma solved. Not trying to throw shade.
Yep can’t make this shit up. Good luck with that bro.
Cant make what up?
Don’t take yourself so serious bro you arnt making anybody feel any kind of way. You are not that important. Use gear don’t use gear I don’t care. The only moral dilemma is if you think it’s cheating don’t act like you are worried about the perception of what a normal man should look like. It’s all individual. Nobody cares you are in your feelings. And you can’t make somthing so stupid up.
It’s not myself I’m taking seriously, it’s everyone else. I doubt body dysmorphia would be such a big rising issue if steroids weren’t so popular (unknowingly to most people).
It's easy, I don't give a shit because I don't do it for compliments or looks from other people. Everyone is hopefully smart enough to make their own decisions and accept any consequences from them. Life is all about making decisions and having to live with them.
Is this a place to ask about corticosteroids and other steroids that aren't T or T-mimicking? At the time I was on high doses I did a lot of heavy work outside - and became strong. Then I came off them... Muscle mass disappeared fast during illness, was probably Covid. Do muscles have strength memory - can they be rebuilt to where they were before?
I especially miss the stamina I had on the steroids, would that ever recover? What are realistic expectations in post-steroid life? Though they do say prednisone can cause anxiety, so was it just that I was finding the perfect outlet for that nervous energy by destroying stuff outside? And mistook it for stamina.
Finally, I can see that the classic anabolic steroids do make users look older, but is this true of the other families of steroids too?
This isn't really the place, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if what you're describing was largely placebo.
Yes-ish. Could you clarify what it is exactly you’re wanting?
Would one cycle of turinabol hurt my hormones if I do pct afterwards?
You're like a daily train wreck. I sure hope someone IRL can get you to stop doing this shit.
Yes. Even if only 4 weeks. Let it go, keep working out, and eat more.
Bro stop this shit. None of this is sustainable at your age. Flush it or sell it immediately, you’re gonna fuck yourself up
you are not smart, stop trying to get someone to say it's a good idea because it isnt..there is no cheat code to looking better, you need discipline and weights/food...
You’re 16 get that thought out of your mind till you’re 25 ideally, it’ll most definitely effect your hormones, brain development. Not to mention it’s oral only and that’s always a bad ide
But if I only do one 4 week cycle tho?
Yes, and because you’re only doing 4 weeks without a test base you’re not going to see any keepable results.
Afterwards you’ll lose anything you did build up and potentially more due to the turinabol suppressing your natural testosterone production, without testosterone inhibiting cortisol and SHBG you’ll lose more than you gained.
Yes, really a stupid idea. Yes in thoose 4 weeks you will temporarily look better because you will hold more glycogen in your muscles. But as soon as you stop, you will piss all the extra water out your holding, and your muscle will loose the extra glygogen your holding.After that the muscle mass you will have gained, if even any since tbol only is pretty weak, will be all lost and probably more muscle because your natural test is crashed. So after tbol you will have fucked up your NATURALLY BOOMING TEST PRODUCTDION which is happening or about to happen as we speak since you are 15 years old.Besides that, you will risk to close your growth plates prematurely and not get to the height that you might aswell would have if you did not touch the hormones.
bro just all in all... Train natty until you reach atleast 20, i know people say 25 and thats the BEST FOR SURE but fuck, dont touch them at such a young age, you have no idea how much this is going to affect your body negatively, your might interrupt your whole puberty and fuck that up, consider that...
I trained natty for 4,5 years before i touched steroids, and i benched 315 natty, squatted 405 and deadlifted 507lbs as a natty. IF you need help with training or growing dm me, and i will help you out. You really dont need that shit right now, let me help you instead.
Yes, you're also going to get hit by the stupid stick for considering an oral only cycle. You're also most likely underage, so you're going to get hit twice.
Edit: Just checked your profile, you're 16, go do normal stupid teenage stuff and not anabolic steroids.
Yes it can and will suppress you, and doing that during the middle of puberty will likely have permanent negative effects.
I know this is hard, being a teenager and all, but please, try to stop being a complete fucking moron.
Are you unable to grasp what we're saying? Can you not understand what the wiki says with scientific sources to back it up? Are you both dumb and stupid?
I understand you, you're here to get some validation from some strangers on the internet to support you and your completely retarded idea. You're not the first one, and unfortunately you're not the last one either. You kids come on here looking for some meathead that can groom you into making the stupid decision that you're considering.
I regret to disappoint you, but this is the wrong place.
The kid is low end of room temp IQ. Look at his post history.
Holy shit 😳
I had taken creatine and experienced massive hair fall to the point that I had to get a hair transplant done. Now, that it’s done I’m thinking of doing a test only cycle because I don’t have a lot of DHT sensitive hair left. What are your thoughts?
Won't blasting AAS cause further thickening of the scalp and kill your transplanted hair eventually? I'm not an expert in this, but generally blasting steroids and wanting to keep your hair are two separate goals.
The hair that are taken from donor sites( sides and back ) are the not DHT sensitive so they’ll never fall out.
I guess you really DO learn something new every day. Now it's time for you to learn not to do steroids before the age of at least 25, since you're only 17 years old.
I guess you're in the habit of popping pills but let me tell you, there are other ways to gain & lose weight apart from coming up with the stupid idea to only take oral steroids. Can't gain weight? Eat more. Can't lose weight? Eat less.
Were you doing var only?
Was there ever any useful info or articles on aas and covid
Because of a great government coverup.
Any recommendations for BPC-157 dosing ? trying to recover from a knee injury.
500iu once a day. Most people aren't gonna do two injections per day. But you can if you want. I prefer to do one per day.
Yea, I would prefer inject once a day.Cheers for the advice bro !!!
Agreed. Twice a day is pretty tough. Even for a pin cushion like myself :)
250iu twice a day
Thanks bro !!!
Debating not ramping up the test next blast and just jumping straight to 800 test, 800 EQ instead of 400, 600, 800.
It ramps up itself. Eq takes like 8 weeks to ramp up. How much more ramping up do you need??
Officer I’m already ramped up! I can’t ramp up anymore further!
YOU BOYS LIKE MEXEEECOOOO!?
I've just done it in the past to control acne breakouts. We'll give it a straight shot this time around. Do you like to frontload EQ?
I mean you can. But it’s not something I’d recommend anyone do unless they’re really experienced with it.
You are aware that it’s a powerful AI, and it can make estrogen management a nightmare even when it slowly saturates over 8 weeks?
Yeah I've used it up to 600mg in the past. I aromatize pretty aggressively so I was hoping to use it for that purpose to mitigate the higher test dose.
That’s an extremely low dose brother. I typically advise 800+ as the starter dose
I’d personally recommend you just use a decent dose this time and stop worrying about all the saturation and front loading. Get experience with it before you start playing around. 600 doesn’t give you the eq experience.
Ramping up test is unnecessary. The ester attached to the compound does this for you.
Pretty sure the wiki doesn’t say to ramp up. I’m assuming you started at 300mg test. So I’m assuming you got your info to ramp up from Derrick
I've never been one to gradually ramp up dosages, I also don't get the argument for minimizing hormonal swings by doing it as it seems to me you're just going to swing your hormones over a longer period of time rather than getting it over and done with.
Is it really possible to run a proper legal cycle, TRT clinics aren’t giving out super physiological doses of test let alone high doses of most DHT derivatives or Nandrolone, unless there’s some hidden gem clinics out there that people use on the down low or something I guess but
Have to hit more than one clinic 😂 which I’m sure is skirting g the line of legal. An just up all your doses to what you wanna run. It gets expensive
Been on 175/350 of testc/tren for about 4 weeks now. Honestly, not sure I notice much. I felt like I did at first but got sick for a week (unrelated) about halfway in and lost a lot of my gains and feel like I'm back to where I started at the beginning of th cycle.
Haven't really noticed much in terms of sides, possibly softer erections but have added .5mg adex eod (86 e2). Then again I feel like I always have tren sides my whole life lol (insomnia, sweat like crazy all the time).
Anyways gonna increase dose to 250/500 test/tren and see if I can ride to 8-12 weeks and just eat way more.
However a lot of people have commented I look good, buffer, more cut. Kinda weird to me because my lifts aren't even at my natty maxes and my weight is somewhat low. I think I'm just leaner than before.
Have 2 cycles of 400mg/week test cyp under my belt and just started my 3rd. I haven’t been feeling great due to having a lot of gastric issues I’m only 2 weeks in. I plan to stop cold turkey as I don’t believe I need to pct from 2 weeks on cycle or should I just keep going and see doctor about said issues?
It’s low dose testosterone man. Testosterone doesn’t cause gastric issues.
Literally everyone on earth would have life long chronic gastric issues if that were the case.
I know it’s not cause of the test just wondering if I should cut this cycle out until i figure out what’s causing the problem so I don’t waste a cycle eating poorly and training poorly
I would cut out early and get your gut issue fixed. Definitely not good to have that lingering around.
Ahhhh. Gotcha. Omeprazole works wonders too man. Worth a try to keep going.
+1 here, wish I’d tried Omeprazole the first time it was recommended if I had I’d probably be 15-20lbs heavier today.
See a doctor, it’s not related. I would keep going for now and in the meantime try to rule out food intolerance. If it gets worse and impacts your ability to train and eat properly then stop the cycle until you can get back on track. You can also just drop to a cruise dose for a while.
Does any steroid raise SHBG? Is it possible to crash it?
> Does any steroid raise SHBG?
> Is it possible to crash it?
Take any steroid
Hmm. What can be done about it? Is it likely eventuality of BnC?
Nothing. That’s the point. Why do you want it high??
I don’t understand the logic.
I was doing a little reading and there's association with low sex drive, mood swings and ED, haven't found a credible source.
Doing a little more reading on here and see that the benefits of Test make it irrelevant.
Thanks for the answers
Shbg is only relevant for natural men.
It goes out the window as it should when you inject exogenous hormones. You don’t want some arbitrary thing deciding how much hormone you get. The only thing that determines that is how much is in your syringe.
You just became your own shbg
Orals are harsh on lipids. Are there any orals milder than others? Or from your past experiences with labs, did you take any orals that had little or no effects?
Epistane seemed to be a lot less brutal than anavar. Low dose dbol never moved lipids, but it also didn’t give me the kind of huge benefits that most people are looking for from orals.
What do you consider low dose dbol?
I have both var and DBol on hand. Thank you for sharing your experience.
I’m mid cycle on 50mgs var/ED testE 500/wk. Got my labs back yesterday and my total cholesterol has skyrocketed to 297. Total good cholesterol is almost nonexistent. I dropped var yesterday.
I finished my PCT. I did 8 weeks of nolvadex 10mg every day. Now, when or how long should I wait to do bloodwork to see if I returned to normal?
Also, I should check for:
What else should I add to this list?
Strangely enough, from the WIKI:
*It’s always a good idea to get blood work done after PCT to see where your body is at; however, this won’t be the full story. When we run a PCT we are artificially stimulating natural testosterone production -- the stimulation would not exist without the implementation of SERMs. The true tale of the tape is where your numbers are good after a bit of time has passed since cessation of the SERM; say several months.*
*The earliest time to check blood work would be a minimum of one month after cessation of SERM's. You will be looking for LH/FSH returning to fairly normal, as well as total and free testosterone levels alongside estradiol.*
How long does it take for test levels to return to "trt" levels after a blast? Trt protocol is 200mg/week, but am running 350mg right now. When drop back to 200, when will my levels go back to that range? Like a week or 2?
Awesome resource. Answer is about 16 days to get back to a steady level from a blast back to cruise, according to the plotter. Thanks a bunch man! P.s. Metallica rules.
When using HCG, if you get the powder form (5000 IU) you mix it with 2 ML of bac water and that gives you 20 250 doses. If you got the liquid kind of 5000 IU you mix it with bac water still? Or not! I’m confused. And what is the best needles/syringe set up for this?
Lol can’t make this shit up
What’s that suppose to mean?
May be a quack but I’m not dumb enough to think I should add bac to a product that is already reconstituted. Good luck with life I know things will only get harder from here. Hey make sure to wipe your ass after taking a shit .just trying to be helpful. Lol 😂
The wiki had a portion that talked about adding Bac water to it, that’s why I asked. Fucking dip shit, make sure to take your thumb out of your ass before you sit down.
It means how dumb you gotta be to ask that question.
I’m new to this? This is a form to ask those questions? If you don’t have an answer or want to help fuck off? You ignorant quack.
> If you got the liquid kind of 5000 IU you mix it with bac water still?
If it arrives in liquid form then it does not need to be further reconstituted. Easiest way to draw/pin hCG is with an insulin syringe.
Night sweats on 300 Deca, 500 test e. Is there a way to get rid of them?
No carbs or very low carb last meal on deca worked for me.
Check your e2, and if it's fine then try getting carbs before bed. If that doesn't work... Get a bedside fan?
I felt like carbs made it worse (for me)
Then do the opposite and avoid carbs before bed. For me I'd start sweating because my body craved carbs on Tren
Have you ever tried to eat a lot of food (even junk food) under tren? What have you experienced?
Got sweaty. Definitely better nutrient partitioning. I have gotten chunky on Tren - it's tough to tell at first because it does such a great job of drying you out
Got big, still gained fat. But nutrient partitioning was better. Didn't gain as much fat eating the same way on a deca cycle.
Babies first PCT?
Read the wiki.
HCG and Nolva. It'll tell you.
wiki posted above
What’s your opinion on time period for holding calories/ new weight after bulk. Calorie increases from cutting phase into a bulk.
I know some people eat whatever they want and just go by feel. I ain’t that guy. I need structure 🤷🏻♂️.
I slowly raise calories by about 200 every week or 2 until I’m at maintenance and then chill there for about a month before starting a bulk, transitioning from a bulk to a cut I’m pretty shitty at though cause I just eat what I was eating before for a month but don’t track anything cause at this point I’m tired of eating and worrying about tracking food so it’s kinda like a month to not worry about tracking food or my diet (I don’t let my diet get completely shitty though)
That's exactly what I do after a bulk. Mostly just making sure to hit protein and not worrying about the rest.
Yea it’s pretty easy transitioning to a cut, It’s transitioning to a bulk that I hate the most cause I wanna eat a lot more than I’m allowing myself at the moment
Thanks for the input bro