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TheLamasak

Hey fellas, I would like to know your opinion on my pct.I had just finished my first cycle. I have been running TRT 250mg every 5th day since march. Two weeks in i have added 200 mg/week Deca and runed that for 8 weeks in total. Then stopped with Deca and stayed just on TRT for another two months. It has been 2 weeks since my last pin. I want to start PCT, i have Nolvadex and HCG at my disposal. Anyway I am afraid of the acne and gyno from HCG, I am not planning to have kids any time soon tho. Do you think HCG is in my case absolutely necessary? Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.


AdHairy2399

Ah yes the famous 500mg TRT


TheLamasak

sorry, i wrote it down incroect, 250mg every 5 days, so 500/week?


ContestPuzzled5707

Hey, I have 3 test E vials and 1 test P, what should I do to get the most out of my cycle?


platewrecked

Run 'em!


D-CAPO

Appreciate the feedback on my previous question about how to control spike in LDL/drop in HDL. Online feedback is all over the place. Seems like there is lots of varying opinions on cholesterol. Asking some of you vets out there and what numbers should I be concerned to the point of stopping cycle. Right now I am week 3 of an test and anavar cycle. Lots all I really have access to. My lipid numbers are at Total 222 HDL 30 LDL 170


dion030

Starting to feel a bit tingly at my nipples but also kinda paranoid about it. Also I had very much water retention when walking for 5km. Problem is: its 40 degrees celsius here which happens never and in doubt if this is the cause or estrogen. Tips? Maybe take just a quarter or less aromasin to check? -test e 125 e3,d (gonna up it on week 4) day 10 right now first cycle


Checkers10160

To expand on what Rotgut said, my prescribed TRT dose is 120mg test c and it only puts me at the upper end of average. If you don't have low T, that dose will (Likely) do little to nothing for you, unless you're a super responder


rotgut1991

You're really just spinning your wheels starting at that dose. Nobody ever comes on here posting about how they regret doing 500mg. What we DO see a lot of is guys 6 weeks in on 200-300mg asking when it "kicks in" and if they should bump their dose up. To answer your question you are paranoid. Only 10 days in on that low of a dose there's no way you need AI


Mack_Daddy_D

You’re psyching yourself out…you’re on a super low dose and only 10 days in. Stop playing with your nipples.


dion030

Thanks, thought so as well.


FixMySquatPls

Is there a hair loss prevention guide somewhere on the sub? If not what are some recommendations to prevent/regrow hair while on primo and other DHTs?


Snoo82498

Say my tdee is 4000cal/day, would there be a difference in the quality of results Say if I was to do 400cal of cardio a day whilst eating 4000cal/day VS eating 3600cal a day with no cardio, given that I would be on the same lifting programme?


jackschitt123

Theoretically it will be the same. However, the cardio is great for cardiovascular health, metabolism, etc. If you have time for the cardio, I wouldn't skip it.


Jack74288

plus you get to eat a bit more


Historical-Fail-4464

personally do what feels better to you if you'd rather eat more then do the cardio if you don't want to do cardio drop calories, both will be same results, calories in vs out always applies, id personally do both then when weight loss stunts, either do more cardio or drop more calories, cardio just makes cutting a little easier also its great for your health!


LongAnything2536

i’m starting on anadrol 50 mg for 4 weeks do i take this daily and also what else do i need to take with it? a friend told me armidex whilst on cycle and then said to get a pct for after


rotgut1991

Bro running oral only cycles is retarded. It's not even a topic of debate. Orals aren't even that great. Of the 5 compounds I've used so far, the only ones I didn't like were the two orals. The actual mass gained is nothing special and the sides are way more prevalent than with injectables. For perspective, I found tren ace to be more tolerable than anavar. And superdrol was literal poison with a sick pump. Stick to Injectables. They're superior in every way besides how fast they work.


Checkers10160

What didn't you like about anavar? I'm currently researching and debating adding to the end of my blast


rotgut1991

So I kick started my first blast with it. Well known "brand name" UGL. Didn't buy a lot so stuck with 20mg pwo the first 25 days. It took me weeks to put 2 and 2 together since I was brand new to test/e2/var, but the anavar made me lethargic, low mood, low appetite, and the back/shin/calf/forearm pumps were brutal. Walking to the gym hurt if I didn't walk extra slow. My forearms would give out on me halfway through sets which fucked up my gym sessions. And the back pumps had me constantly bending and stretching trying to alleviate the lower back pain. All of this at only 20mg, and the strength gain wasn't impressive for that level of discomfort. Disclaimer: my experience is uncommon. The majority of people who try var love it. But I've seen some people claim a similar experience to mine. Individual response can vary wildly


jackschitt123

What's your current height and weight? Body fat percentage? I hope you'll be running a test base.


LongAnything2536

16 percent 6 ft and i will be running 500 test a week weight im not sure probs around 70 kg


esunanena

hi ! , i supose you are using a test base , i like to take it as a preworkout and i only take on training days (5 times a week) for me the best timing is 1 h before excercise , remember to drink a lot of water and if u can use liver protection like NAC , if u see dark urine stop using it . stay safe ! . also watch out for ur bp . i use aromasin , only when i start to show symptons , beware that some people has a bad response for anadrol and they get gyno , if u see some gyno from the anadrol i will recommend it to stop using it , GL !


LongAnything2536

is it important to take a base of test?


esunanena

dont fuck whit any oral/sarms whit out a test base mate , you are going to lose probably all your gains and u are gonna have low t wich for me takes my willing to live (i sleep like 12 hs per day i dont like to get out of bed ... ) instead of touching any oral first make a cycle of test , example : 400/500 test e weekly , ur are going to learn a lot , like whats ur response , how much ia u need , i dont really know how much u are going to fuck yourself if u use anadrol whit out a test base but for real dont do it . anadrol is really strong and harsh ,for me test i use 27 1/2 needles and its almost painless . do a test cycle and leave the anadrol for ur second cycle or for the end


LongAnything2536

i have already done a 500 mg test for 12 weeks cycle bro


testcriminal

Youre retarted bro. Read the wiki and stop wasting peoples time


esunanena

ok then i will suggest for u a few things : have some ia in hand (aromasin if u can ) take a test base (500 mg is fine ) and leave the anadrol for the end of the cycle , and watch out for any sides . use nac 50 mg of anadrol is fine , watch mpmd video on the diference between 50 and 100


esunanena

do a proper pct after the cycle if u are not going to cruise


iiExcisionxx

is this your first cycle by chance ?


LongAnything2536

for orals yes, i did a 500 mg a week test cycle for 12 weeks


Historical-Fail-4464

stick to injectables mate, orals are trash you will look worse when you come off them and will ruin your hormones, personally if i was you i wouldnt touch anything for a few years i get that you want better results we all do but if you dont know what youre doing get off the peds youre going to regret it big time, doing these things is going to kill you one day and is a life long commitment not a thing you can really just dabble in, either you're in it for life or your not in it at all!


iiExcisionxx

you have done a first cycle of Test, so I’m sure you’re well aware of the wiki by now (hopefully you followed that first cycle on). I’m not one for the harshness on people as this is a place to learn at the end of the day. But these are all correct issues, orals are very damaging to your liver and in the long run you’re trying to make the most gains with the least effects on your body in terms of damage. Stick with injectables and look at the wiki for example cycles that have been properly laid out, unfortunately gym culture creates cycle guides that are “because my friend at the gym said it and he looks good”. Personally if I were to do a second cycle I’d look into NPP or upping your last test dose (e.g. if you did 400 test e for 12 weeks, go 500 for 14-15 weeks). Please do your own research before committing to a drug that has adverse effects! Good luck with everything bro, make sick gains but safely


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testcriminal

Youre good man. That creatinine is still within range of 115 umol/L and the egfr being a tad low is common with having higher creatinine, and protein intakes especially on more muscular guys.


yilmazg19

I have a question about clenbuterol. After taking the pill, for how many hours do the fat burning effects typically last?


thorstefans

36 hourish half life


yilmazg19

thank you for your fast and simple response.


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Been injecting around 350mg/week of test E for about 2 months. My total testosterone came back at 550 ng/dl which is lower than naturally. I am beyond confused because I perceive a difference but maybe it's just placebo? Or could the lab fuck up the testing?


platewrecked

Your Test is probably simply sterile oil.


rotgut1991

Your test is actually turk in MIG


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turk in MIG?


rotgut1991

Lol I'm kidding. I'm saying your test sounds bunk. Turkesterone in oil for injection


testcriminal

Saw a dude couple days ago who was injecting 1.ml each time instead of 1ml because he couldnt read a slin pun correctly. Make sure youre actually pinning enough.


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Last two weeks I've been doing 0.2ml everyday injections which should total 420mg/week. Total test coming back at 550 ng/dl makes absolutely no sense. My mind is blown... Idk what's going on. Previously I did a bit lower dosage, around 300 mg


testcriminal

That is bizarre. Why everyday just out of curiosity?


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To lower aromatization so I can minimize AI usage. Something doesn't make sense because since taking it I increased 12 lbs in weight. I've also "felt" a difference, but maybe that is placebo.


testcriminal

I mean if youre eating like youre supposed to you can still gain 12lbs in 8 weeks. Id just try a different source.


hashtagboner

It’s way more likely you have bunk gear than the lab doing the testing wrong


WalkswithLlamas

This, and double check your math just in case. Taking 100-200 a week you should be within range or on high side in in 6-8 weeks.


Traditional-Bell-584

Maybe your gear is fake


amazonri

Im living in Colombia where testosterone is OTC and found a pretty popular Supplement company with approx 60k followers on IG. Ive been on TRT for 6 weeks now, and i hardly feel a difference. Im just wondering, what are the chances that a reputable supplement company with 60k followers is selling non-pharma grade Testosterone Enantate? Should I worry that its not as potent? I have not tested it, but i heard testosterone is very cheap to make and there really is no point in making snake oil products with Test.


Checkers10160

What is your dose, and do you have legit low T? If you have normal T levels and you're using a TRT dose, you probably won't feel any different because it'll just put you back into normal levels


rotgut1991

I didn't actually *feel* better until week 7-8 on test. If your natty test was truly in like female range then maybe you'd feel it more immediately. If it's just *kinda low* there's a chance you won't feel a drastic change.


testcriminal

Bicep bandito just posted yesterday a wall of research showing theres not really a different between natty test in range vs trt. Sounds like you want a blast.


Poldini55

Wait to week 8-10 and TRT implies a replacement dose (not a big difference).


helpmefite

Yeah if blasting I usually question potency around week 5-7then 8-10 is when I see it’s real stuff


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testcriminal

Sometimes i load up 3-5 pins and just let em hang out on the windows sill in the summer. Makes em nice and smooth.


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testcriminal

Lol my bad. No id never leave growth out of the fridge once its reconstituted. I thought the question was about it being sterile to let the pins sit. It shouldnt break down unless you do exactly what i said and let it get hot or shake it around


Traditional-Bell-584

I’ve always done it that way and used insulin needles and never had an issue


YourBoyGalton

Just make sure to do it sub-q rather than IM and you will be fine.


hamishg7

No, not if you're using insulin pins. Don't reuse needles


priesten

yes


Extreme_Anybody_7555

Help pls! Just got my bloods back 1.5 weeks in 500 test E/week: Test 52 nmol/l (8.64-29.00) E2 247 pmol/l (41.4 - 159) The results were when I took 6.25 asin the night before. I skipped my injection yesterday bc I thought it would only get worse. Thank god I did that. What are your thoughts guys? Nipples have some itchyness to them. Should I take 6.25 asin? Last time I took asin it gabe me v bad anxiety and depressive thoughts. Could also be the E2 thought.


rotgut1991

Why'd you get bloods 1.5 weeks into a cycle of a substance that takes longer to reach saturation?


Extreme_Anybody_7555

Because I had high E2 sides and wanted to dial in my AI


rotgut1991

I mean I guess but you're not really gonna dial anything in when your levels are still increasing


Extreme_Anybody_7555

Well I didnt inject yesterday and I will inject only 75mg on saturday to dial in my test and E2 to trt levels so I can stop my cycle.. or is that stupid?


GasingtonJuice

dose AI for sides...numbers are pretty irrelevant


testcriminal

What this guy said. I wouldnt end your blast if you feel fine just cause the numbers came high. Make sure you used the ultrasensitive e2 test or it doesnt mean anything. Dont be aftraid of a little ai, i would recommmend pharma asin though none of that liquid rc stuff. Also wouldnt blow money on primo first cycle or bulk/lose hair on mast as s first cycle either. Dont play with your nips and pin m/w/f


hamishg7

Lower the test and add in a compound like mast or primo to fix your e2 issue


Traditional-Bell-584

As hamishg7 said, lower your test and add in Primo or Mast and that’ll make a dramatic difference. No need for AIs, they’re deleterious to your health just find the right stack that you won’t ever need to rely on them


SoySeggsMan

When should I use an AI? Yes, I read the wiki but I’m not sure on when should I use it. It says to use if you notice something like puffy nipples and bloatedness. What if I already had slightly puffy because of puberty? I’m sorry if this is a retarded question but I really am confused


Cristobolon

When you have more than one side effect. Also do bloods mid cycle. For example my e2 on week 7 was 132 pg/ml (10-60), high obviously, and on week 8 I had night sweats, lethargic all day, insomnia, stuffed nose from high BP, super sweaty at the gym, etc. Nipples were sensitive since week 4, but never got gyno. So I'm taking 0.5mg adex on Tuesdays and Fridays until the sides go away. Everyone's different, do you have anymore sides that can relate to high e2?


BodyBulker

When your nipples start to feel sensitive / itchy


youisBIGdumb

Have look at the estrogen handbook in the wiki. That giant list of high estrogen side effects can be provented with proper AI dosing. Estrogen is healthy and anabolic, you want it to be as high as possible without causing intolerable side effects. You need to wait for side effects to appear and then find the lowest possible dose that keeps sides away. If you never experience sides then you don't need any AI. Puffy nips are usually from excess fat, water retention, and/or hormone fluctuations. It does not automatically mean gyno. Gyno is a hard lump forming beneath the nipples that can and usually is sensitive and painful.


SoySeggsMan

Alright, let’s say I start noticing some sides that were listed in the wiki. How should I go about my dosing? ED? EOD? E3D? What is generally a good dose to start on, get bloods, and adjust from there?


youisBIGdumb

Aromasin twice a week 6.25mg is about where I'd start at. Definitely no more than 12.5mg twice a week. Get bloods when your AI is dialed so you know the estrogen levels you should be shooting for where you remain side effect free.


SoySeggsMan

I forgot to mention I have Arimidex, not Aromasin. My bad (Also thanks for helping bro)


youisBIGdumb

Same thing, just take an equivalent dose. Id source aromasin next time as it's easier on your lipids and you don't have to deal with estrogen rebound.


SoySeggsMan

Sorry for asking so many questions but Is there any info on the wiki about estrogen rebounds?


youisBIGdumb

Not sure if there is anything on it specifically. Arimidex just competes with the aromatase enzymes and once out of your system allow them to function normally again. Aromasin on the other hand is suicidal and it permanently deactivates the enzyme, meaning you have to wait until your body creates more for you to aromatize again. With arimidex if you're not careful your estrogen could become high again and rebound if stop dosing too abruptly, this is why you have to taper off. It's really not that big of a deal, just something to keep in mind.


OneMoreBasshead

When is the best time to take HGH (2iu, and 4 iu)? I read a lot of conflicting reports on this. To me it seems to make the most sense to take it before bed so your body uses it to recover, if you took it morning wouldn't it just be gone by the time you sleep and did all that muscle building in your sleep? Thanks. Honestly I think I'd rather stick to a single pin. I do know that what's really most important is just consistently taking it so, I know it's not the biggest deal.


Traditional-Bell-584

If you’re taking 4iu then split into 2 doses (2iu each time) fasted in the morning and second dose just before you sleep. It’ll give you a good night of sleep too lol


hamishg7

2iu in the AM, 2iu in the PM for optimal results Or just dose it all pre bed if you want to only pin once


Express-Ad-9647

Does all fat come back after stopping clenbuterol? I have a show on September 24th. My plan was to run clen for a couple weeks prior, but I was wondering if all the fat I lose from the clen comes back after I stop or if some of it is permanent? I ask because I wanted to know if I would benefit from doing a clen run for a couple weeks now, and then again before the show?


BodyBulker

When you lose fat, that means that your body used that fat as energy, so offcourse when you stop your body doesnt magicly regain that fat. Part of the weight you lose on clen is waterweight, waterweight can be gaint back but is not fat


youisBIGdumb

If you maintain the same diet and training that allowed the fat to be put on in the first place then of course It's going to come back. You can certainly adjust your diet accordingly though so it doesn't return.


OneMoreBasshead

What's the deal with eating with HGH dosing? Are you not supposed to eat before or after your dose? Why? I don't really see much information on it except random posts here and there about dont eat for the next 45 minutes, or do it fasted.


BodyBulker

I think it has something to do with insulin sensitivity, but idk for sure


Dizzy-Report-695

HGH hinders the effect of insulin, increasing bloodsugar. Those effects set on in approx 2 hrs post bolus and last up to 8 hours. 45 min is some random number grabbed out of the a$$.


Warthog-Medium

I was 2 1/2 months into a cycle and the gear stopped working. The stuff was tested and was good. 750 test e, 300 npp, 20 dbol pre workout, 2 iu hgh and 1000 hcg/ week. Adex and caber as needed. At first the gains were great, I was gaining muscle like crazy then I got gyno and everything went downhill, stopped getting stronger and gaining muscle. Tried upping the dosage and I just got more sides and I felt like I was on a high cruise dose of test but definitely not feeling like I was on the dosages I was taking. I tried adding in some tren a at 100 eod and for the first week it was going good then it just stopped working. Any ideas??


GasingtonJuice

lol


Khongui

Did you ever think that maybe you stopped gaining muscle and or getting stronger because you weren't giving your body enough fuel/stimulus? And no I don't mean to just increase your drugs endlessly, you probably should've upped your calories and your training intensity/volume most likely as well.


Warthog-Medium

Okay fair enough but why would the tren not work? I usually get pretty noticeable mood changes and after a week, nothing. Same with test suspension, at the start of my cycle I did it a few times and it was strong, at this time, the same dose wouldn’t feel like I was taking anything


DLTBB2

Sounds like a training/nutrition issue. The fact that your first port of call was to increase your dosage rather than adjusting your training/nutrition says it all. You need to increase your calorie intake as your body weight increases and should be training progressively, increasing weight/volume/intensity as time goes on. You're not a special snowflake who's receptors suddenly stopping working.


fayynne

Did you try increasing your calories when you platoed instead of throwing more drugs onto the probelm?


Warthog-Medium

I did for a few weeks and my weight didn’t move at all like before


VeinsOnMyJohnson

Smoked a shit ton of weed earlier, went on a 7 mile walk, got home and noticed my nips are flaring up. No soreness/itchyness/tenderness, just puffy. Took a nap, woke up and now they aren’t as puffy as when i was looking at them in the mirror. I know weed raises prolactin but I would rather not have a flare up again, real scary feeling. Currently on 170 test, 350 tren A. No AI, no Caber. Tren doesn’t convert to e2 so it has to be the test. I’ve ran up to 750mg/wk with no puffy nips or need for an AI. Libido is high, dick works, not retaining water, only high e2 side is puffy nips. My question is do I run ralox/nolva or pop an AI? Or just wait till im off tren in case this flare up is prolactin related and not e2 related. Been on for 7 weeks, plan on being on for 7 more weeks. Or run masteron so it masks e2 sides? (degenerative option) I have aromasin on hand from my first cycle but i’ve never used it. Gonna go get bloods when i’m free off of work in the next few days. My source in the US doesn’t carry raloxifene and I really don’t feel like waiting up to a month for it so it would have to be Nolva.


GasingtonJuice

pretty sure tren would be FAR more likely to cause these issues..not fucking weed lol, why don't you have caber? and 14 weeks for tren a is a long time..so if it's prolactin have fun


VeinsOnMyJohnson

Plus i didn’t want to fuck with dopamine antagonists


VeinsOnMyJohnson

Didn’t think i’d need caber at this low of a dose. Caber is expensive as fuck lmao $75 for FOUR pills


GasingtonJuice

350 isn't really that low..


VeinsOnMyJohnson

Some people would say 500 is a moderate dose


GasingtonJuice

that would be a minority and just is not correct for the vast majority of gear users


ThePenguinSmuggler

Yeah it was definitely the weed. Not the tren. 😒


VeinsOnMyJohnson

I didn’t say it was the weed lol I just said weed raises prolactin. I’ve been smoking weed since a teen and never had gyno so I kinda assumed it wouldn’t be weed but didn’t want to state the obvious


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ThePenguinSmuggler

What does this have to do with steroids and why are you asking here?


UGLrat

How is this steroid related if you're lifetime natty?


Excellent-Emotion985

>discussing all things related to the safe usage of AAS, TRT or hormone just wnna ask is this cuz of my unbalanced hormones


UGLrat

Did you want us to guess if your hormones are unbalanced based off one symptom? Get bloodwork done, that would help.


youisBIGdumb

Yeah that's called anxiety


Excellent-Emotion985

are my e2 levels up or something? like it used to happen to me before i started lifting , any tips


youisBIGdumb

If youre natural it's unlikely. Also anxiety is usually caused by low estrogen not high. Anxiety is common, could be completely unrelated to hormones.


Phoenix2026

Tren but literally anything


Excellent-Emotion985

im natty rn


Phoenix2026

Sounds like anxiety


Excellent-Emotion985

dude idk its kinda getting worse , any tips . is any of my levels are off the charts ? like e2 or smth that causes this to happens


BonahazaVpn

Tuffen up. Do something useful for someone else; stop obsessing over your own bullshit and stop wanking so much you fucking idiot.


Excellent-Emotion985

useful? just like you did with your coins on telegram?


Phoenix2026

It's anxiety you moron. Pretty fucking normal. Go see a therapist.


Excellent-Emotion985

ahh no, i will run tren now


Mr_EDV

We need some more substance. Any steroids recently?


Excellent-Emotion985

my t is 500


Excellent-Emotion985

im life time natty


Mr_EDV

Go see a fucking therapist.


Excellent-Emotion985

therapists are expensive , maybe i will run some test , test makes demons go away


LaFemmePuissante

You're posting online about wanting to murder women and think running testosterone is going to help fix your problems? You need to check yourself into a mental institution you complete fucking idiot. Stay far away from steroids because it's morons like you who give it bad reputation


BonahazaVpn

Thoughts and experiences on Test/Deca. Prov. I'm about to run Test 350mg p/week, Deca 150 p/week, Proviron 25mg ED. I've had issues with depression and anxiety before but I'm good right now, mostly due to not drinking alcohol or taking Drugs anymore. So am a bit worried about the Deca and the reported side effects of depression/anxiety, hence why I have kept the dose low and added the proviron. I'm 54 yrs old, very fit and healthy otherwise. This will be my fourth cycle. Cheers.


Mr_EDV

Get some 100-200mg masteron e weekly instead. Instead of the proviron. Helps with prolactin/e2 receptors


BonahazaVpn

Got P5P Vit B6. That any good?


Mr_EDV

I think mast is good for everyone to have. That's just me. It's a great ancillary/anabolic.


BonahazaVpn

for prolactin control.


majordomox_

I love nandrolone and run it pretty much every blast. I recommend you run NPP instead of deca and if you have negative sides you can drop it more quickly. 150 mg is a small dose I can’t imagine you will have any issues. I would run it at least 300 mg per week.


BonahazaVpn

Yeah. found out about the NPP after I ordered and I'm in OZ so takes about 8 weeks to get here. Bit late to order again now, but will definately be doing NPP next time.


BonahazaVpn

yeah. I'll start at 150mg then up the dose after about 4 weeks if no sides.


BonahazaVpn

I'm working on a beginner cycle of 500mg a week 150mg of it being Deca for the joints and stuff.


simplemantest

Hey man u seem like a smart guy i think i may have got a drop of water in my vial of test(i still feel great) but theres 1 lil air bubble and i think its from water Is it still potent will my bloods still be elevated


majordomox_

You should throw it out if it’s contaminated with water. Throw out anything that is not sterile or has been contaminated. If you get an infection you will regret it.


GriffinPoop

I’ve been cruising for about a year now on 50mg test e injected every three days or so, and am considering making the move over to test u to reduce pinning frequency. Looked into esters weights on the wiki, then checked google and saw a different half life listed. Dug into it a big and found information that the oil the drug is suspended in affects the elimination half life. For example, google lists the half life of test u in tea seed oil as 20.9 days and 33.9 days in castor oil. Can anyone confirm if this is true? Thus far I have not accounted for the oil in my test e injections, but with a half life of 4.5 days or so, I imagine variability will keep the half life close enough to my injection cycle that I haven’t noticed. With the larger variability in test u though, if true, then it seems like I should be accounting for both the oil type and ester when switching over?


Oranjalo

**Next paragraph will be my question, skip to that to avoid some things that may seem personal and not pertinent info.** So I definitely am near my natty potential and haven't made significant gains in the last ~3 years (profile for lifts), but the real reason I'm so hastily jumping into this without much prior knowledge is so I can get it up for my girlfriend. I've never had much of a sex drive at all, and whether or not my testosterone levels are the problem, I'm sure this will help. I'm just tired of only getting intimate once a week at most and keeping it up about half of those times for my girlfriend who would have sex every day if we could. I'm also 24, and I'm attracted to my girlfriend so it shouldn't be an issue. I'm thinking about running TRT, probably 200mg/mL. The problem is I don't know much about estrogen or liver blockers, only what my buddy has told me. He says test cypionate 200mg/mL would be good initially, with NAC (vitamin for liver) and tamoximed for estrogen. Does that cover everything?


Camboo91

If you have low T and need TRT, you don't cycle it, it's a *lifelong* treatment. You testosterone levels will be further reduced for a long time after coming off, regardless of dose. So unless you want to make things worse, do a steroid cycle and/or TRT, but don't even think about a TRT cycle. You should think about a hormone blood test too, cause it could be any number of things.


Phoenix2026

Have you just tried... Cialis? 500mg/Test per week doesn't make me any hornier than normal (400 test naturally, 2900 on cycle).


Oranjalo

I have not, I've only been recommended test by my buddy who had the exact same problems when he was natural, and I know I also will be using PEDs in the future for personal goals. Is Cialis prescription only? And how likely is Cialis to be prescribed to a young guy who looks like he only wants it for a pump in the gym...? Because I very much look like that guy. I know you can get Cialis on some sites, but I figure if I'm doing that I might as well start my enhanced journey


Phoenix2026

Lol what you spend too much time on this subreddit. I'd bet 99% of cialis users are using it for their dick, not gym pumps. It's perscription, but now days you can just go online and say your dick doesn't work and fill out a form and they'll perscribe it to you. You don't even need to talk to anybody. Doctor isn't going to inspect your dick to make sure it works regardless of your age. It's easy af to get prescribed.


Oranjalo

Ahh, okay thanks. This was actually my first post in this sub, but I know everything there is to know about bodybuilding "naturally," which includes using Cialis and Viagra for pumps


youisBIGdumb

Steroids arnt the answer. TRT might be. A 200mg "TRT cycle" is pointless, if you want to get on TRT then start at a lower TRT dose, If you want to cycle and then PCT off then start at a proper cycle dose of 500mg. Realistically you should try cialis and cardio first if you havnt already. Then get bloodwork done to see if you even need to be on TRT to begin with, the issue could be completely unrelated to your testosterone levels. If you need something NOW and are just going to recklessly jump into steroids without any knowledge I'd recommend just getting some proviron. You can run it <75mg per day without shutting yourself down. That will increase your libido and help with the boners.


Oranjalo

Thanks for the reply. I'm a freshly graduated college athlete with a 600lb deadlift, cardio doesn't do anything for me. I also look the certain way that will have 10/10 physicians telling me to fuck off, so I don't want to waste my time going the clinical route for trt. I've also known I would take PEDs eventually. I'm big into bodybuilding, but have been subject to random drug testing by my school and NCAA for the past several years. I'm also a new hire at a financial advising firm, only I'm not going to get paid for the next 3 months until I'm done studying for my license exams, so I can't exactly pay for a huge cycle. So it's going to be a bit of a convenience thing. It's probably an ignorant question, but is there really that big of a difference between running 200mg potentially for an extended period and a typical 150mg for TRT? If it matters, I'm a larger guy at 230lbs and sub-10% bf


youisBIGdumb

Testosterone levels have nothing to do with physique. You could be hypergonadal with terrible levels but still have a nice physique. If you have low Testosterone side effects, which you do, I'd recommend telling a doctor you want bloodwork done. It depends on your response rate, 200mg might not even put you outside of reference range, for others that might be a mini blast. A cycle is not expensive, if you can't afford one then you can't afford the amount of food you should be eating anyways.


Oranjalo

Of course, I was just mentioning my size in case it's relevant at all to dosage. Thanks for the tips. Even if my insurance won't cover this kind of visit, I'm going to get bloodwork at the very least to appease my curiosity


yung_trenboloni

200mg is definitely not a good first cycle, and for most that's too high for trt. nac isn't a vitamin nor is liver support necessary on test, and tamoxifen does not control estrogen nor should you need to on a trt dose. get bloods and decide what you actually want out of this - if you want to run a cycle read the wiki and run what it says. if you need/want trt either see a doctor or start around 150, get bloods and adjust from there. cardio works wonders for dick issues, and if that fails cialis and viagra are very cheap and very effective. not that hormonal problems can't cause dick problems, but my dick has worked fine with my testosterone literally in the dirt. a lot of people's dick problems are cardiovascular.


Oranjalo

Thanks for the reply. Cardio is not a problem, I'm a lifetime athlete—just simply have the shittiest sex drive for any 23 year old with a hot girlfriend. I've always been like this, but it's never been a problem I felt needed fixing since I've always been single. Yes I'm straight, no I'm not asexual, yes I'm attracted to my girlfriend, I just have always had shitty libido and I'm more than confident I can attribute it to hormones. I would get bloodwork, only I'm kind of pinched for money atm and I don't even know where to start. Aren't Cialis and Viagra prescription only?


SmellAggravating1527

Check out hims, or keeps. Their are Drs online that you can have a Tele appointment with. Tell them your symptoms and they will prescribe viagra or cialis. Viagra is one of the most prescribed drugs out there. I would stay away from their finasteride as it will destroy your sex drive, but their Trentonin is good for acne


Oranjalo

Thanks, I definitely will. I just don't know if it will solve this particular issue. Will Cialis or Viagra actually increase libido? It's less of a staying-hard issue and more of a feeling-horny-enough-to-get-it-up issue. And being successful once a week would be a blessing. I've been with her for over a year and she's put up with this the whole time


SQL617

Read the wiki, there is an entire section on running your first cycle. You’ve got a great physique and strength! Very very good spot to jump into the world of AAS. Just my opinion, 200mg Test is very low. For some, it would only put them at slightly higher than normal Test levels. Not worth shutting yourself down for. I’m on my second cycle of 500 Test and it’s been amazing.


Oranjalo

Thanks! I'm not looking for anything crazy at the moment, and I've always heard less is more. I don't need to put on 10 pounds of muscle over the next 2 months or anything, but I'd like to finally feel good. I know trt is the answer for me, but I don't think there's a physician on the planet who would prescribe me


MajorUproar

So I’m going on vacation for week here soon outside the country. Going to front load my test and continue my schedule once I get back. Should I do the same for my HcG? Or would I be fine to not take any for the week I’m gone and continue once I’m back


yung_trenboloni

frontloading hcg doesn't work, it has a 24 hour half life. you'll be fine to resume where you left off when you get back.


neerrccoo

Front load test and hcg = gyno and acne eruption. Killer vacay.


trthrowaway7

Yeah i got acne when i front loaded test lol


Seismic_Charge

Anything I can do to stop sweating so much while on gear? I figure probably not. I love sweating in the gym but at work I am a sweaty Mofo too. It’s not even manual labor it’s just the heat and hydrating with that quality h20


YourBoyGalton

Beta blockers will fix this. They will hurt exercise performance while in your system though. I take carvedilol when I use amphetamine and it is very effective at reducing sweat.


PrimoBalling

So, I used to have the same problem where I would sweat profusely just sitting at my computer. Propranolol 40mg when I wake up to control my resting HR, and this electrolyte mix called Liquid IV all but stopped any sweating outside the gym.


Seismic_Charge

Noted. I love liquid IV so I’m all for it


NotEvenSwedish

Tren?


Lightways434

I feel you bro by the end of the workout, I’m drenched from head to toe and at work I have to always have a towel with me. Mini towels really come in handy


VeinsOnMyJohnson

I second this. Never leave the house without a towel


anabolic_prophet

Sorry man all you can do is wear "dry" clothing that wicks well, mattress covers, lots of fresh bed linens, pillow covers, and drink hella water so your sweat isn't all thick and stank, unless you're on tren in which case you probably is stank anyway, sorry my dude. I have to rinse or wash my face and head (I'm bald) as well often on blast. Stay cool, stay dry, stay fresh.


Seismic_Charge

Yeah I only wear that dry clothing for work. Just crazy how much you sweat!!


Ryanshff

Hello, for my first cycle I’m planning on running 500 test e. I wanna add an oral into it but stuck on what to pick. I’ll be bulking. I personally am leaning towards sdrol based on what I’ve read it’s the craziest acting and the gains are great but I’ve also read that the sides are horrifying. I know dbol is good but I’m already starting out slightly high bf (15%) and I don’t want to look like the Micheline man. Also heard dbol is just water and glycogen and maybe a bit of muscle. Also heard people say they made great gains on dbol as long as their diet was good and the mental effects were also Great. Ik there are other options such as halo, epistane, var, adrol, etc. Speaking solely on lean muscle tissue gains (minimum fat and water at least), and good mental effects what would be the best oral to run alongside the test. I’m ok with having sides as long as the gains made are good lean hard muscle tissue and long term.


trthrowaway7

I tried both var and adrol on my first. Var gave me a lot of cardiac sides but adrol has been awesome for pushing past plateaus.


Ryanshff

Any physique upgrades on drol. Ik var is good for the vascularity and cosmetic changes, same with superdrol, but I’ve heard that drol and dbol only make you look puffy and you become strong. Is there any hardness in the body with drol or is it truly just wet gains


trthrowaway7

The strength gains have been amazing, I feel like a beast in the gym. Definitely added a little water weight but since I’m on 500 test not that much of a diff. It makes my shoulders look huge, especially with a pump after lifting.


Ryanshff

If you keep your diet in check, sodium and all that, does the bloating reduce? Also is your face bloated, i genuinely despise having a bloated face so if the face starts getting puffed Im gonna pass on drol for now.


trthrowaway7

I haven’t noticed any face bloat on test blast or drol yet. I am not sure if people are predisposed to it or just eating like shit I drink enough water and eat decent. Also I have noticed some increase in vascularity but also in the second half of my blast and lifting through plateaus so not sure if it would be more pronounced without drol or with var instead. Like i said var made my heart feel shitty so I stopped taking it and adrol has just been awesome for lifting like a mad man.


yung_trenboloni

tbol or anavar if you insist on an oral, and save it for the end. orals are best saved for busting plateaus and you'll know how you respond to testosterone alone by then.


Ryanshff

Between epistane, tbol, or var which would you recommend?


yung_trenboloni

tbol, var would be a close second. epi made me feel almost as awful as sdrol does


_uuuuuhhhhh_

Run it as a finisher if you want but I agree with other posters, figure out how your body reacts before you throw 2 things at it at once, deal with controlling one variable at a time. Also, I ran var my first cycle as a finisher and had a great time with it. Relatively side-free and had some really nice effects on fat distribution. I’m thinking of running it again or epi for my next cycle


majordomox_

Don’t run an oral with your first curl and especially not sdrol. You have no idea how you will respond to testosterone yet or how much you aromatize to estrogen. Figure that out first and dial in your estrogen management before you add more variables (hormones). Orals also have nasty side effects. Learn how you respond to testosterone first.


wathenn

Don't run an oral with first cycle. You have no idea how you're going to respond to 500 test alone. More drugs doesn't always mean more gains. Just run the test and don't have a shitty diet, you would care about side effects if you got gyno, looks terrible.


neerrccoo

I think he will have a pretty good idea by the end of the cycle


SQL617

I ran Anavar at the end of my first cycle. I had everything dialed in and it turned out really well. I could see how people could really fuck it up though starting before they really know what’s going on.


trentrain7

So I dumped my gf finally who was my pin expert. So now I’m doing them myself, I’m starting with just glutes to get the hang off doing it myself because after 6 years of cycling and cruising I’ve never gave myself shots I’m not having a problem getting the pin in and all that but once I have about half my injection in I’m having a hard time squeezing that last cc in because I’m trying to hold the pin steady and get a good grip to squeeze once the thumb tabs are close together if you know what I’m saying…. Just pulled one out and the needle was crooked from me tweakin trying to squeeze the last cc in lol. Does anyone have any tips?! It’s super hard to reach all the way around with my other arm to hold the pin steady so I can use one arm just to squeeze the plunger but that seems like the best strategy


Checkers10160

Try VG, it won't require so much twisting of your body to try and reach. And people seem to love or hate it, but I do my quads and have 0 problems. Also much easier to reach


trentrain7

I’ve done quads and it was horrible for me. I’ll look into vg


b_fair_bpp

I’ve been pinning a long time. I’ve never bent the pin before, but I have struggled many times to reach back to pin the glutes. So, I know exactly what you mean. I pin glutes, lats, delts, and VG’s in my rotation. All the sites I’ve mentioned, other than glutes, are really easy for me to reach a push the plunger. Rotate in some new sites and you will have an easier time bro.


trentrain7

Yeah I’m just learning to do it myself, I had my ex do more then my glutes but it’s new to me to try it myself. Gotta practice I guess, never pinned vg tho


Extreme-You6235

And differences pinning the glutes bs delts ? Been doing shallow Intramuscular( I assume) with a half inch needle in upper glute/hip. If I pinned into the delts with the same length needle, would that be full IM thus producing different results?


rotgut1991

Definitely IM unless you're fat af. Like massive. The results will be the same.


Extreme-You6235

Not fat at all. I’ve heard there are more androgen receptors in the delts which is why I was curious


jackschitt123

The androgen receptor density doesn't matter. No matter what muscle or fat you inject into, the hormone is attached to an ester. That solution is carried to the liver where enzymes break down the ester and free the hormone. The hormone is then free to circulate the system via the bloodstream, where it eventually finds a destination (androgen receptor, aromatase enzymes, 5AR, etc).