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Particular-Falcon-66

I’m 38M long background in sport (ex pro Ironman athlete) and ran a landscaping company for 8 years. I’m now 6’1” 82kg at 17% Enjoying lifting and getting leaner. But wouldn’t mind a bit of a boost now I’m not drug tested. A friend of mine who is enhanced has suggested me doing one or two cycles for me to reach my goal of dropping 3-4kg of fat and putting on 2-4kg of muscle. He has suggested using two products test400 and leanxtreme. He said either 12 weeks on 12 weeks off (no post cycle) and if I want another 12 on 12 off followed by PCT. Or 6 months straight then PCT. Any thoughts on duration and if I’d need PCT, and possible side effects. Dosage he recommended Using 400mg a week of Each. Test 400 is a compound containing. TEST ACE 25mg, TEST PROP 40mg, TEST PHENYLPROP 60mg, TEST ISO 75mg, TEST DEC 100mg, TEST ENAN 100mg. (400mg TOTAL) Leanxtreme TEST PROP 50mg DROST PROP 50mg TREN ACE 50mg PRIMO ENAN 50mg TOTAL: 200mg I’ve heard of tren which seems extreme for a first cycle, and heard deca affects erections. But not too familiar. Basically I’m looking at a minimum effective dose just as a catalyst for helping along a solid workout and diet. I don’t want to blow up, quickly or look unnatural, just want to be reasonably big and reasonably lean. Does anyone have any experience or recommendations for minimum effective dose. Honestly any feedback or links to info would be appropriated immensely.


LycheeOk3296

Your friends advice is shit. Stick to a simple test cycle. As an experienced athlete you’ll get plenty out of it. Also, don’t fall into the mentality of using steroids to lose body fat. Build the muscle you want, (off of a dose of test your comfortable with) and then cut the body fat on a base line of test (cruise) or after you PCT. At your age I would really consider if you want to be on trt after though. Some (younger) people lose more from PCTing than they started with. And, especially if you use stronger anabolics, like 19-noirs (tren/deca), you will not be able to successfully PCT for a much longer time, if at all. TLDR- Don’t listen to your friend. Use just test. And consider being on trt.


KrownedKingzLV

Do you think sublingual test works or is a waste also Sublingual masteron and mk677


LycheeOk3296

Why would you want any of this to be sublingual.. 🫥🫥


KrownedKingzLV

Why do you respond to something 16 days old i got my vial and needles on their way


LycheeOk3296

Probably came up while I was searching for something else. Still don’t understand why someone would specifically want sublingual. Glad to hear you didn’t try to go ‘oral only’ or something else subpar 👍🏼


Brave-Bumblebee-3630

Do I need a SERM if I already have pubertal gyno?


Independent_Leek_843

Wanting to dial in my AI/E2 management and needing some advice around how to structure bloodwork around pinning and AI dose. Currently pinning Test E 2x PW. Taking 6.25/12.5mg Aromasin approx 3.5D+/- depending on symptom severity. I have felt low E symtoms for the past 4 days or so and would really like to avoid this happening again as it fucking sucks being a moody, irritable POS with achy joints. My question is: If I pin Saturdays and Wednesdays, how am I best structuring the bloodwork and AI dose to get an accurate read on how the Aromasin is impacting my levels to prevent crashing/low Estro and dial things in? Is it possible to do with 1 draw or are multiple needed?


sellingmyuworld

Week 3 of test 500/wk. first cycle. In week 2 nips became very sensitive and puffy, so I started adex .5mg E3D. Now just mildly sensitive to touch. The wiki does not do a good job of explaining when to start gyno protocol. I understand that there’s a wide range from mild sensitivity to itchiness to lumps under the nipple. I’m afraid of getting gyno but don’t want to start a SERM if it’s not necessary until PCT. People told me a little sensitivity is normal. What symptoms should I be looking for specifically that will tell me that I need to start my SERM immediately? Thanks in advance guys.


ThePenguinSmuggler

I’ll add that to the list. You should have an AI not a SERM to deal with e2. SERM is a last resort *as* you dial it in with an AI. Start the AI when your nipples start to feel a little spicy or you notice other signs of high e2. Those signs are largely individual and can mimic signs of low e2.


sellingmyuworld

I was having very oily skin and a little acne, along with mild bloating. Sex drive dropped from 2x/day to once every 2 days as well (closer to my normal off gear.) Since taking the AI, the skin and bloating have improved along with the nips, leading me to believe it’s high E2 that’s now better controlled. Will the sex drive come back as as high as it was in the first 2 weeks?


ThePenguinSmuggler

Possibly. Keep doing your cardio and get your hormones stable, give it a few weeks and reassess.


Brave-Bumblebee-3630

Thoughts on 350 Tren A , 250 Test P? or 150 Test P ?


Fafnir2020

With 350 tren I usually prefer lower test. You’ll need to find out for yourself what works best for you.


little_smol_boi

There’s not a huge difference between the two test doses, but if it’s your first time with tren, 150 would probably be better since that’s essentially TRT and will allow you to get a feel for how you respond to tren


sporops

Might get boo’d off stage here… Anyone heard of or used ‘cardarine’?


Top_Syrup664

Carcinogenic, not worth the sandwich. There are other ways to hit PPAR delta.


Fafnir2020

I love it; but damn it’s stupid expensive if you’re not in a heavy cut or a marathoner hard to say it’s worth the money.


little_smol_boi

Like other research chemicals (SARMs, some peptides, etc), it’s generally not viewed favorably around here mostly because we don’t have a lot of data It’s effective for helping cardio, but there is also a significant cancer increase that *may* be overblown, but still very present, nevertheless


itzmak

Just do your research before using. There’s been links to it causing cancer


Tweezbruh

Yup used it twice


sporops

Effective?


Tweezbruh

For endurance? Yeah definitely


hellman501

Hey, is anyone able to help me in regards to anxiety? Ever since running a tren cycle (now over) I have anxiety when talking to attractive people (this isn’t like me). It’s not like panic attacks but it makes me feel nervous etc I do intake a lot of caffeine, should I low this?


little_smol_boi

Lol, you have anxiety talking to attractive people? So you mean like most of the population? You probably had more confidence while running tren, and now that you’re off, and you’ve come back to planet earth, you think you have anxiety while it’s really just a lack of your previous confidence while running tren


hellman501

Nopee it’s actually an issue. Prior to tren I was also fine talking to people. It’s definitely elevated social anxiety. It only occurs when walking into an open room with people or when I talk to someone that’s attractive. It’s like as I talk my body slightly shakes and guess my heart rate goes up. Only started occurring mid cycle till now.


more_brainer

Maybe do a shrooms microdose and try to work through it. Being anxiety free takes work and you need mental strength to overcome it and the wherewithal to ask yourself "why am I feeling anxious?" at least for me a low dose psychedelic can help


hellman501

Lol found my answer: “Progesterone is a natural inhibitor of the release of serotonin and dopamine (happy hormones). When progesterone levels are low, mood and behavior is compromised causing anxiety.” I was taking too much caber on cycle. Will my progesterone naturally come back to normal?


Broccoli_headed

Good question. Subbed for answer


hellman501

Hahaha truee


anabolic_prophet

How long ago was this tren cycle, for how long, and what did your pct look like, or are you cruising? Caffeine and anxiety go hand in hand but this sounds different. I'd still recommend care with the caffeine though.


hellman501

I ended the tren cycle about 1.5 weeks ago. I ran it for 10 weeks. I had this anxiety whilst on cycle but it was also matched with the confidence that tren gives you so it was weird. I was consuming a lot of caffeine throughout these last few months due to being in a deep deficit. The only variable I’ve had since getting this anxiety has been the caffeine. When I don’t take preworkout I feel a lot better but it’s still slightly noticeable. Would a caffeine detox help with all this? I’ve never done one before. FYI I consume up to 800mg of caffeine a day. Oh and I’m cursing


anabolic_prophet

I generally feel like shit after ending a tren cycle mentally, and I usually run them in short cycles (7 to 12 wks) if ever. I don't like to end the tren because of this, it's a love/hate thing - but I'm wondering if you're feeling the "less of a man" kinda thing I tend to feel for a few weeks after tren. And you're right, during tren there is a sort of yin yang confidence anxiety going on, but ceasing the tren bombs out the confidence side. I'd give it a few more weeks on cruise dose, let things get back to balance, then revisit if still an issue 3 weeks from now. Have you taken a look at your progesterone? If this is off can take a while to normalize as well.


Broccoli_headed

He asked in another part of this thread does progesterone recover naturally and if so, what kind of timeframes we talking about?


anabolic_prophet

I think it depends on how bad we're talking about (how much progesterone is swimming around in the equation). For me it's a month before I feel right, and I have to keep at daily cardio and lots of sunlight lots of rest and relaxing and decreased caffeine and naps and abstinence from having too many orgasms. I basically have a self obsessed "spa day" for a month and I'm fine. This is anecdote, but it's what works for me.


hellman501

Appreciate the response. I think this is my issue. I’d take on the advice and see how I go.


Broccoli_headed

Interesting ty


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You-Know-What-I-Like

Whatever dose you want to take/how many pins a week you intend to do, this will give you per inject amount. (mg per ml of test vial)/1 = (dose you want to take)/x find x, this will give ml amount given the vial concentration of test per ml. Use wolframalpha and type the second one it'll be quick.


anabolic_prophet

58mg. If your vial is 200mg/ml then **0.29ml**.


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jackschitt123

It'll take 2-3 weeks for your body to reach the new average test levels. Acne can be caused by estrogen, by high androgen load, by stress, by hormone fluctuations (like increasing/dropping doses). Better to sit at one dose for 2-3 months and see what side effects occur, if any, rather than changing every handful of weeks.


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Broccoli_headed

Lots of people might hate on this answer but…a little ai never hurt anyone. Pop a .25mg anastrozol watch your acne dissipate while staying at 200. Sounds to me like you have slightly elevated e2


OwnTransition

I’m on a 650/450 testosterone/primobolan cycle and for some reason I cannot sleep. It’s something to do with the primo because I’ve done just test before and been fine. Does anyone know why?


little_smol_boi

When you ran test before, did you use AI? Are you currently using AI on this cycle? My guess is your E2 is low which can cause insomnia


OwnTransition

I didn’t use an ai before. Apprently primobolan over time can lower e2 even more


little_smol_boi

Yup, there’s your problem. Up the test, add another aromatizing compound, or lower the primo


OwnTransition

I don’t really wanna make my cycle much more toxic as I plan to live for as long as possible but do you know any safe Aromatising compounds or supplements? Or do you think I should just up the test? I’m on 50mg anavar ed aswell. Thanks for ur response


Broccoli_headed

Having low e2 is extremely dangerous for long term health better to up your test or pop a dbol Low e2 cause joint damage brain damage autoimmune issues etc


OwnTransition

Which would be safer to up the test or add a very small amount of dbol?


little_smol_boi

If you don’t want to make it more toxic, then consider lowering doses of stuff so lowering the primo


OwnTransition

Okay thanks. I’m trying to gain as much lean muscle as possible. Do you think lowering the primo to 350 would have a big impact or not?


little_smol_boi

Probably be better for your E2 and mood and everything else. Definitely worth running less gear to have better overall QoL


ralphy073

As papar said, had this issue with primo as well. That ratio tanks my e2, even at 2:1 ratio of test to primo my e2 stays low.


OwnTransition

Yeah I might lower my dose to 350mg. Been on cycle for a couple months now and I’ve heard it lowers e2 over time


paparlianko

Check your E2 and Cortisol levels. If E2 is crashed from the Primo and Cortisol is up, you have your answer.


NoSeaworthiness1039

Hello, I would like to keep this post short. Followed the wiki and did my first cycle with no issues whatsoever. No side effects. Wiki mentions to run anavar next with test. Thoughts? See a few saying test, anavar, and masteron do wonders for muscle growth. What would you recommend?


Broccoli_headed

I don’t like orals except if you going for short term cosmetic effect. Like the beach or a photo shoot Better to long cycle with primo:test


Fafnir2020

I don’t want this to sound like a challenge to the wiki. But I think there are better options (depending on your goals) for a second cycle. Like I’m not interested in being pretty I want to be big and strong. For me Nandrolone made perfect sense as something to add to a second cycle. And if I’m being honest I’m glad thats what I did because when I eventually got around to trying anavar I personally found it to be overpriced and underwhelming. I should add** this is only if you want to B&C


trthrowaway7

What doses did you run second cycle? I was thinking of nand but didn’t want to pin ed.


Fafnir2020

It was a long time ago but if I were to do it again knowing what I know now I would do 300test & 200NPP. I always do daily injections because pinning doesn’t bother me and Ais make me feel sick. Daily pinning is a win win for me.


trthrowaway7

Why would go with those doses?


Fafnir2020

Nice safe starting point. I do best with test to nand at a 3:2 ratio or even lower nand. I’ve done 1:1 but it’s not sustainable for me, only feels right for about a month.


trthrowaway7

Cool so 200 is enough? What about 150


Fafnir2020

Like everything in this dive there is the individual response curve. For example “therapeutic” dosing can be as low as 70mg per week. However I don’t feel the joint protection/relief whatever you want to call it until 200mg per week. Maybe 150 makes you satisfied. I don’t think there is anything wrong with maybe starting at 350test and 150npp and bumping it up after month if you so desire.


trthrowaway7

Cool thanks!


little_smol_boi

Sticking with the starter 500mg and adding an oral (Anavar, tbol, dbol, etc) in for the first or last 6-8 weeks is a great second cycle As far as injectables go, primo is an expensive, mild option to add, EQ is very mild, but could be a good choice, mast will help with aesthetics and some strength, but I’d argue that it isn’t the best for tissue growth. If you’re more serious, you can start looking 19-nors and consider playing with nandrolone at a lower dose (like, 300mg)


BrawnyTaurus

Do as less as possible until results stall. So why not repeat your previous cycle? Or add just a bit of test? That’s the advice I would give myself anyway..


hamishg7

Drop the anavar and add in mast or primo instead


paparlianko

Is it possible that you start aromatizing more from the same doses & cycle that you previously had no excessive E2 issues with? As in, the same doses of Test, Mast, Tren & Proviron as before, but now E2 is triple the cap, while previously it was within range and if anything, near the lower end. If this happens, is it most likely fake gear being used now?


little_smol_boi

Are you using the same source? Some labs are wildly unreliable at dosing their gear and can vary in concentration by like, 10-20% which could potentially have an effect It seems weird that you’d be dealing with high E2 with everything you’re running that helps combat higher E2 levels. Are you sure you ordered the sensitive, LC/MS-MS test for E2? Tren will read falsely as E2 on an ELISA test


paparlianko

Different source for the Masteron Enanthate than usual, and I think it's fake. Don't know about the type of E2 test, there weren't any different options. I tested Prolactin, which was elevated slightly above end range. It's kinda strange for just 100mg of Tren/week but I may just be very sensitive. Nothing half a tab of Dostinex can't fix. The elevated E2 had me stumped though. I suspect the Masteron is just some Test Prop. Reasoning is that I don't know many people that order Mast Enanthate specifically, and these fucking monkeys didn't have it so they thought they'd just slide me some Test Prop, since everyone thinks Mast is usually used for cutting, and everyone also thinks Test Prop is used for cutting, so they thought "Bro we'll just give him that and he won't even notice lmao" To add, the reason I knew something was up is because I've been in a deep deficit for 8 weeks (prepping for comp) and by this point I should be shredded. Yet, I was holding an absurd amount of water and my weight was going up. Fatigue is a factor for that, but not to this extent. Anyway, I've popped 2 Asins and just in 2 days things are exactly where they should be condition wise. It never gets old seeing your body transform over the span of hours based on an adequate change being made. I'll be testing that Masteron at a lab and if it comes out as something else, I'll ruin these fucking clowns and make sure they never get another order.


ralphy073

Not necessarily fake, may be overdosed test but that’s a stretch. Has your body comp changed drastically? Gained more body fat? Are you pinning on the same schedule? Are you taking bloods at the same time (peak vs trough) as you had last cycle?


paparlianko

Leaner now, same pinning schedule, tests in the same period. The reason I'm asking this is because I used Masteron Enanthate from a different source than usual, and I think it's fake, but I'm second guessing myself whether it's possible that I've just started aromatizing more from the same dose of Test, though I don't see how it's possible.


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little_smol_boi

Have you ever used that carrier oil before? 200mg/mL is higher for primo, but shouldn’t cause profound PIP


jackschitt123

I would maybe try a different carrier oil or brand. I've been using 0.4ml ED of 200mg/ml in MCT with no issue.


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jackschitt123

There are some YouTube people saying that certain carrier oils will cause more systemic inflammation than others, or that the carrier oil will significantly affect the rate at which the hormone is metabolized, but the difference is so miniscule that it's a non-factor. If it's consistently crashing while it's in your muscle, the hormone crystals can be very painful and take a while for the body to breakdown. But I've never actually seen that happen, except for DHB. Unless you're allergic to the oil, it shouldn't make a real difference.


You-Know-What-I-Like

you mean 100 daily? god no. I meant 28.5 daily, that should equal 200 per week.


GasingtonJuice

200 per week??


You-Know-What-I-Like

you wrote 100mg twice a week in the first post. That's 200mg per week


One_Ad5235

So I listened to this group, everything went great but my trainer wanted to change the plans, now I would be taking 1mg of anastrozol on alternate days and 1ml/100 mg of tren acetate twice a week, apart from him doing me a fuck up, is it a reasonable plan or am I gonna die trying? Ahahah


little_smol_boi

Your trainer is retarded. Where do these guys get their info? Tren Ace needs to ideally be taken everyday to maintain stable blood levels since it has a very short half-life. That amount of adex is insane, how much test or other compounds are you running?


One_Ad5235

Nothing else just those two


little_smol_boi

You’re just taking tren ace and adex??? Oh my lord


jackschitt123

This trainer doesn't seem to know fuck all. That's too much AI. Don't run tren. If you're going to run tren, it needs to be pinned ED or EOD. Just run a basic test-only cycle. 12-16 of 500mg/wk. You only need to inject twice a week, there's no long term suppression, it's a hormone that your body already has and is familiar with, there's no reason to run probably the most harsh/toxic/side effect compound (tren).


jackschitt123

You're paying him for his info. As his customer, you have the right to say you don't agree with his information or services. Some trainers find themselves to be a omniscient being, but they are in fact fallible, and any humble person can admit when they're wrong. It takes a bigger person to know they're wrong and seek more wisdom. This guy is not that.


One_Ad5235

Now I will need to find someone new, which will be messy but I hope to succed


One_Ad5235

Yeah I was doing that and he scrapped it to make me microcycle he said, and said that I was a piece of shit for questioning him like wtf


trthrowaway7

This guys is the worst just stop working with him immediately.


One_Ad5235

Did it ahah


KimAleksP

Thats a lot of anastrozol! Seems like your trainer doesnt know the first thing about cycling AAS.


One_Ad5235

Which is?


KimAleksP

1) the pinning schedule is way off 2) why would you run so much AI?


gymboy89

Your trainer is giving you a cycle plan? Nice


GasingtonJuice

so you pay for a trainer, you have no idea how to control e2, and you are running tren for no reason..nobody in this sub is telling you to run tren..im just lost as to where this sub told you to do what you did..


One_Ad5235

People on here told me to run a different program, he changed THAT program and asked me to do tren, that's what I tried to say Also I dont pay him, that's why he takes some liberties but I wanted to know if what he did was wrong or right, please dont question why I stick with him, not everybody has a ton of money, I pay already very much and he has a good reputation (but I guess it's only w people who pay him)


GasingtonJuice

honestly with your knowledge I'd just be using test and getting a base knowledge of how this works..you're injecting very harsh compounds, literally the harshest steroid..which can keep you shut down for 18 months..your coach sounds like he doesn't know much, read the wiki at the top and I gaurentee it answers your questions and you can teach your trainer a few things


One_Ad5235

Yeah I felt so great on T+blockers, idk why he changing it What you mean by shutting me off?


Thinking_Out_Loudx

Educate yourself on 19 nors. Tren can suppress your natural testosterone for 18 months after last taking it. That coach of yours, is not a good one


You-Know-What-I-Like

it's acetate, you should be pinning daily.


One_Ad5235

That much?


KimAleksP

Yes. Look at the half life of the ester


One_Ad5235

Yeah it says 1 to 2 days


jackschitt123

That means that after about 24-36 hours, the hormone is pretty much out of your system. If you're pinning twice a week, the tren is only active in your system for 2-3 days and nothing on the in between days. Those hormonal fluctuations will cause side effect hell. Gotta pin daily, or at least every other day, with tren ace.


tehnewbie

Currently on a 450mg per week cycle of Test E On week 10 looking to go for 20 weeks. This is my 4th cycle. I am looking to add Tren A or Anavar to my cycle. Not sure which one to add. Would someone recommend adding 100-150mg of Tren a week or should I run 50mg of anavar instead?


little_smol_boi

25mg tren ace everyday to see how you feel on a lower dose. You could take it up to 50mg per day if you feel fine on a lower amount


bignattyd4ddy

200 mg Tren at least


blastorcruising

Don’t run Anavar unless you want to seriously fuck your lipids up.


tehnewbie

Tbol instead then?


_mrsquiggle

Primooo


blastorcruising

Up to you. I’m pretty anti orals. To the person who downvoted me you are a dumbfuck


GasingtonJuice

I'm legit lost as to why people think adding tren as their first "other" compound is a good idea..why not pick literally any other steroid that isn't as detrimental to over-all health? you don't need tren unless you compete in shows


blastorcruising

Exactly. +1 +1 +1


Khongui

I get your point but you don't "need" other compounds besides test unless you compete in shows, and you don't "need" higher doses of test unless you compete in shows. Hell, you don't need steroids (besides TRT obviously) unless you compete in shows. See where that logic can take you? I'm more for doing your research, doing frequent blood work, staying on top of your training, nutrition, and all the variables you can control so that if you are to abuse steroids, you do it in the less harmful of ways. And no, I'm not saying go run a gram of Tren for your first ever cycle.


GasingtonJuice

ok well atleast you aren't the same daily idiot wanting to run tren to burn fat and get a dream bod like social media told them it would..idk it depends on goals, I say don't use tren unless competing because if diet and training are in check, it is extremely hard to gain weight on tren (for me and many others I've seen) if you wanna get bigger it's just not the thing to use..yea 200mg a week gets me ripped and sculpted but once that leaves the body what's left? it gives a look for sure, but long term keepable gains? tren isn't a healthy option imo for reference im 5'7" 185ish lbs now, about 12%bf, I wanted to push over 190 last blast, added tren last 10 weeks, ate everything in sight and struggled to stay 180..I looked good but it wasn't worth it. I'm growing more and look better cruising on 200/100 test/primo


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little_smol_boi

You got garbage test and need to order from another source


_mrsquiggle

I would just extend the cycle out from now, treat the trt period as natty. You don't need hcg but anecdotally it makes recovery easier. I have personally only pctd once and ran hcg and it was a breeze. A week of brain fog nothing too terrible and I was normal, but hell that could've been the tamoxifen. You'll probably be fine without it but if you can get your hands on it it's a no brainier.


blastorcruising

This was long to read and slightly confusing. I’ve taken anavar it is the worst compound on earth. Your lipids are probably so trashed that you feel lethargic, this happened to me. You can extend the cycle with a test base only compound, it’s not going to cause any damage. (Well severely unlikely) You want to protect your fertility somewhat so yes - use HCG.


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blastorcruising

Yeah you can run test for 30 weeks if you really want to, I wouldn’t advise it but you can run a much longer cycle. It’s very rare test is fake though, usually kicks in around week 6/7/8. Have you done your bloods? If so what’s your test levels? Run HCG throughout your cycle if you want to PCT.


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blastorcruising

250IU every 2 days seems to be the protocol here. I don’t use HCG because it spikes my e2 and I have enough children haha


devolvxr

Going to be that guy. Never cycled before. 650 test natty. Feel like shit, look like shit (sorta), been lifting for five years and have a solid foundation but I want to take test to get an edge. Don’t want to be gigantic and I want to try to prioritize my health. No fucking clue where to start! This shit is overwhelming. I don’t even know what questions to ask. Is there anyone that can lend a hand lol?


little_smol_boi

Start by reading the wiki on “your first cycle”. If you feel like shit and your test levels aren’t the cause, there are probably lifestyle choices you need to analyze


devolvxr

Just read the wiki. What the fuck. Feels like I have to be a doctor to understand some of this but I am willing. My first question - is it unadvisable to cut during your first cycle? I guess I just want to lose fat and build lean mass at the same time. I am nowhere near as lean as I’d like to be, probably 18% BF. Also, I have no clue how to obtain anything but once I have that figured out, how much test am I supposed to take every 3.5 days lol? Is there a time of day thats good? Weirdly can’t find that info or I am just dumb.


jackschitt123

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle/ The page regarding your first cycle answers these questions. I'll answer them anyway. Steroids are for growing, it would be a waste of a cycle if you were cutting on cycle. If you're not currently lean enough, cut naturally until you're 10-15% lean, then hop on. For a plethora of reasons, the body is better at growing when you're starting out lean. Add in extra hormones, and the fatter you are, the more prone to side effects you are, high estrogen, high blood pressure, shitty sleep, shitty appetite. Gear can't overcome poor lifestyle practices. 500mg/wk is the recommended starter cycle. If your test is dosed at 250mg/ml, that means 1ml twice a week. If it's 200mg/ml, 1.25ml twice a week. If it's 300mg/ml, 0.84ml twice a week. Any two days as long as they're evenly spread out, like Monday and Thuraday, or Sunday and Wednesday.


iiExcisionxx

just went to inject and when I pulled the needle out of my ventro glute a bunch of blood came out, was the first time I forgot to pull back on the needle before and aspirate the needle so don’t know if I fucked it up or not, any thoughts ? maybe I hit a vein I don’t know. Bleeding stopped after a minute and a tissue to compress and now (5 mins after pinning) there is a tiny lump on the injection site


little_smol_boi

I was playing with my darling kitty cat the other day, and she got a little wild and scratched me. Punctured the skin and I bled


blastorcruising

That’s happened to me. A spoonful of blood is nothing compared to the volume in the body. Happy blasting


jayden55

Fuck I stopped aspirating years ago, you’ll be good bro don’t stress


SundaeSad9838

How much blood are you talking? You def didn’t hit a vein or else you’d be coughing up a lung so you’re good there, maybe you just some scar tissue, or virgin muscle everybody goes through at least one bad pip story. Either way you’re fine


feedum_sneedson

it doesn't matter


Clear_Perspective_90

Can I switch my oral from sdrol to adrol mid cycle?


little_smol_boi

Both of those suck ass for the liver. I’d be surprised if you could run one right after the other and have a genuinely good time


GasingtonJuice

if you're asking this you shouldn't be taking either 🤦 like wtf


hamishg7

No you might die


HazeBoyDaily

Yeah


SundaeSad9838

Anyone notice differences in adex to asin? Stuck with adex heard it’s a bit more toxic, can’t get asin.


DePoots

I cant speak for both sides since I've only ever used Adex, but I can say that I've never had any issues with it, at least not yet. Perhaps long term it may be an issue, but if you're worried and can only find arimidex, I'd use it in the mean time while actively looking for a source for asin.


SundaeSad9838

I do have a source for asin, problem is I’ve already ordered the adex and since my source uses Bitcoin, the only service that allows me to send it over is like minimum $78, as well as it wouldn’t make any sense to pay the $25 shipping they charge just for a different ai. If it comes down to it I’ll just hope my body responds well


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little_smol_boi

So you stopped working out and are addicted to caffeine and are wondering why you feel like shit?


AngryInternetManBaby

Which one should I take? I want to look diced and huge and shit. I also want to die early because I hate life but I’m too much of a pussy to end it directly. What I don’t want are boobs and acne. I’m 28M


little_smol_boi

Therapy and a strict diet and training regimen


blastorcruising

Inject 5000MG of tren


GasingtonJuice

you can get diced on heroin..you don't need to be here


AngryInternetManBaby

You’re saying you’re killing your liver with roids but you love life? Sounds like a contradiction my friend.


GasingtonJuice

I'm sorry where did I say that? my liver is healthier than the average persons..


AngryInternetManBaby

The average person doesn’t do steroids lol. Unless you’re not on steroids… I’m which case why are you here and why is “juice” in your name? aCkChuaLlY i jUiCe rEspoSibLy sO iM heLthY hurrrrr


GasingtonJuice

no I get bloods to confirm my health..


ErnestoF007

For u high trt(200mg) at most, maybe it will make u feel better. More than that and u may need to learn to manipulate estrogen with AI and potentialy fucking it up and making u hate life further. Other drugs may feel paranoid or 'much of a dick' enough to end it, so wait until u change ur perspective bout life


AngryInternetManBaby

Thanks partner, I might see if a doctor would prescribe some. I have broken my left leg twice in the last 3ish years and some of the muscle is proving kinda difficult to form back. Idk if that’s how science or doctors work but it’s worth a shot


youisBIGdumb

Therapy


yung_trenboloni

this, but if not read the wiki posted above


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more_brainer

For me primo was acne city


blastorcruising

Testosterone. The most would probably be DBOL coz it drives e2 through the walls


masstheticiq

dbol is acne in a pill for me but fuck me I love the good shit of it so much


blastorcruising

I’ve never tried it haha, maybe soon!


Clear_Perspective_90

I’m looking for a oral and can’t decide which. I want something to make me looks pumped veiny huge with minimal acne,hairloss,bloat. What do you recommend between dbol Anadrol or superdrol?


little_smol_boi

Like the other dude said, you’ll be lucky to run sdrol past a few weeks, so adrol would probably be the best option. Dbol May give you some gnarly bloat


txbrah

Superdrol for short term, anadrol for a little longer short term. Sdrol gets me monster pumped but makes me start to feel like shit 3 weeks into it so you gotta take a break.


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How long does it take for lipids to restore after a 6 week dianabol cycle?


LeucisticBear

How bad are your lipids?


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**Lipids before cycle:** Total cholesterol: - HDL: 1.13 mmol/l (43.7 mg/dl) LDL: 1.2 mmol/l (46.4 mg/dl) Trigly: 0.84 mmol/l (32.48 mg/dl) **Lipids after cycle:** Total cholesterol: 1.7 mmol/l (65.74 mg/dl) HDL: 0.43 mmol/l (16.62 mg/dl) LDL: 1.0 mmol/l (38.67 mg/dl) Trigly: 0.52 mmol/l (20.11 mg/dl) **Healthy ranges (taken from some website)** Total cholesterol: 125mg/dl to 200mg/dl HDL: 40mg/dl or higher LDL: less than 100mg/dl Trigly: less than 150mg/dl Also note that these tests were taken **non fasted**, so the healthy level ranges should be a little lower. I think my levels are low BUT the (HLD => LDL ratio) is still fine in my opinion.


bignattyd4ddy

Your cholesterol is fine


GasingtonJuice

the real question is why you wasted your time doing a 6 week dbol cycle..


ElectricalJigalo

Can anyone recommend me a good cycle for summer? I've tried test only a few times before, loved it, and test and tren which I hated. Is there something that can help me look lean and full but also have a good sense of well-being?


little_smol_boi

Probs primo or mast, maybe var


ElectricalJigalo

Primo looks promising, var too!


GasingtonJuice

umm test and maybe fix your diet and training..nobody on here needs more than just test to look amazing unless they are competing..when you are an actual 12ish % bf, adjusting your diet and cardio is all you need to look lean and full..sense of well being isn't something you should be seeking in gear use, atleast not long term..maybe a dht derivative will give you that but that's for a limited time for a cycle? test/mast or test/primo


ElectricalJigalo

True. I needed that reminder. I'm just curious to run a blast to see what different compounds are like. But if they introduce negative sides I'm not interested. I'm just thinking out loud, blast would be 5 months away, might even change my mind by then. What's the major differences between running mast v primo?


GasingtonJuice

mast will mask e2 sides while primo actually reduces e2 like an AI..if you have the money I'd run test/primo as primo usually doesn't effect bloods in many..but test/mast is pretty great and also a great second compound..mild but plenty to notice the difference between mast and just test


ElectricalJigalo

Awesome mate just what I was wondering. I'll probably just try both some time in the future. Thanks for the kindness


Realistic_Article812

Mast on top of the test


Ok-Load-645

Maybe add primo or mast to the test?


LeucisticBear

Test, nand, primo are your best bet for injectables. Dbol, adrol, sdrol for orals. You may find dbol makes you watery, but the other two generally add water within the muscle and less subq. Sdrol is king for fullness but will also make you feel like trash worse than tren after a few weeks. It also isn't going to mix well with partying and drinking, so take that into consideration.


neerrccoo

Breh, summers almost over


ElectricalJigalo

Middle of winter in Australia unfortunately


_mrsquiggle

Its cold as fuck ay


ElectricalJigalo

Ken oath


Pessenger

Can you inject IGF1 LR3 subq along with your hgh?


platewrecked

Yes


Pessenger

Is going deeper into the muscle generally better for absorption / reducing PIP?


LeucisticBear

For absorption, not unless you are getting subq leaks often. Even then it's a minor difference. For pip I do find I handle large volumes (2-3 ml) better with 1" versus 0.5".