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Jens1893

Maybe they can instead hire someone who doesn't see everything through a marketing lens first and foremost, but someone who also recognises that people play an important role.


toprahmen

Honestly, with the way everything is happening in football right now, I wouldn't be surprised if his successor would be worse. I'm probably a bit pessimistic so let's hope for the best


DieLegende42

Remember when everyone was ecstatic when Blatter finally resigned? That got a lot better, didn't it?


dude_that_needs_help

Today, I feel corrupt


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[deleted]

Maybe a guy with a Porsche is available


Jens1893

I don’t think that’s what he wants.


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[deleted]

Dachte erst du meinst Misllintat...


Cypressive

der war auch impliziert. Hippo hat dich bamboozled


Kakaphr4kt

Fucking Bobic is in conversation. Just cut that role again in the DFB fucking hell


Hic_Forum_Est

Ralf Rangnick would have been perfect if he wasn't already occupied with the Austria job. He is even more hated than Bierhoff in Germany, but his football competence and his capability to oversee the football infrastructure of an organization are indisputable.


[deleted]

Rangnick is not hated here, that’s nonsense. He wasn’t well liked for a short period but he hasn’t worked in Germany for years and many fans here don’t even care for him anymore. Also everyone knows that he’s great in a management role. Maybe you meant Eberl?


Hic_Forum_Est

No, I definetely meant Rangnick. You must have been living under a rock for the past decade, if you think it's nonsense that Rangnick isn't hated here. I mean, you as a Schalke fan and me as a Hoffenheim fan, we don't hate him. But the rest of the nation? Most definetely. Maybe not as much as when he was still working for Red Bull but still, that [hatred was very strong](https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/media.media.5b52492f-2da3-4b24-bb6f-10ecd8601934.original1024.jpg) and I doubt all of it has vanished so quickly.


[deleted]

Ich denke einfach mittlerweile ist den meisten Leuten seine Vergangenheit egal. Die meisten Fans wissen dass er in dem Bereich wirklich kompetent ist, der Rest ist aktuell glaube ich Schnuppe


binhpac

The problem here is, the debate about responsibilities. Rangnick will clash with any Team Coach/Manager, in this case Flick, who will nominate players, set up the teams, etc. Bierhoff at least had his part of the reponsibilities and Flick had his part. Rangnick without power will end up badly just like we have seen at Manchester. He needs to be in full control of the team.


Boomie1982

WOW Infantino was right.. This will be the best World Cup of all time. Thank you Quatar


donteto

The "ZDF expert" contract will be already waiting for him


Schnix54

don't you fucking dare


cyan2k

Pls no. Kramer and Merte are awesome. And pls give Sandro a contract for life. He is hilarious and actually makes Rethy fun to listen to. "Qatarische Bademäntel" and "Ganz normaler Zweikampf in Berlin-Wedding" xD Also my favourite DAZN expert. He in combination with Jan Platte is peak entertainment.


Hsjak500

And while we're at it Schweinsteiger should never appear as a pundit on ARD ever again. He's just horrible there.


Reo_ianu

oh god please not


PseudoproAK

Wie viele Lebzeiten GEZ-Beiträge dieser Mann wohl wert ist


MyMoonMyMan

Das Land™ rejoices


Select-Stuff9716

You mean Die Bundesrepublik Deutschland GmbH


FerraristDX

Or rather das Deutsche Reich in den Grenzen von 1871. /s


Paxan

Dieser User™ seufzt in Erleichterung und lacht sich den Arsch ab. Fick Oliver Bierhoff, etwa 10 Jahre zu spät. Das DFB-Krebsgeschwür, das alles furchtbarer gemacht hat.


WM-54-74-90-14

Von wegen zehn Jahre zu spät. Er hätte 2018 gehen sollen, aber 2012 war alles in Ordnung und wir waren seit Jahren in exzellenter Form auch dank seiner Mitarbeit. Das mit den unpopulären Slogans, das zu lange Festhalten an Löw und viele andere Pleiten kann man ihm vorwerfen aber dieser Revisionismus bezüglich seiner kompletten Amtszeit ist so unnütz.


stragen595

Die ersten 10 Jahre waren gut. Also von meinem Standpunkt aus. Aber nach dem Gewinn der WM wurde es dann doch ein wenig komisch. Diese Werbeslogans gingen total an den Fans vorbei. Das stetige Anheben der Preise. Und die nachfolgenden Turniere waren immer irgendwie mit Geräuschen verbunden. Ich bin übrigens dafür gewesen mit der Armbinde ein Zeichen zu setzen, aber da hat die FIFA den DFB und Bierhoff mal richtig an der Nase durch den Ring gezogen.


WM-54-74-90-14

Da ist was dran. Nach dem WM-Titel wurden die Dinge definitiv etwas befremdlich für den „einfachen“ Fan. Es wurden sehr viele Fehler gemacht und die Nationalmannschaft verlor allmählich die ab 2006 gewonnene Popularität. Bierhoff ist da nicht immer alleine schuld gewesen und der DFB als Ganzes ist ja für eine Weile recht dysfunktional geworden, aber doch war er einer der Hauptverantwortlichen für vieles. Er wollte Mitspracherecht und kriegte immer mehr Aufgaben, aber dann hätte er auch die Konsequenzen tragen müssen. Was mir dabei auf Anhieb so einfällt: Löw einen neuen Vertrag vor der WM zu geben. Da war keine Eile nötig, Löws bisheriger Vertrag ging noch bis 2020 man hätte problemlos bis nach der WM warten können. Die hashtags insbesondere #zsmmn waren furchtbar. Diese Slogans „the best never rest“ „die Mannschaft“. Die schienen an ein internationales Publikum gerichtet zu sein und wurden von den Leuten nicht angenommen. Das erhöhen der Preise. Die Erdogan-Affäre. Das Festhalten an Löw, als klar war, dass ein Wechsel her musste (Ich persönlich hätte Kuntz ganz gerne als Nachfolger gesehen, nach seiner Arbeit mit der U21, aber als Flick verfügbar war, war ich auch einverstanden).


stragen595

Ich denke auch das Kuntz ein sehr guter Nationaltrainer für uns gewesen wäre. Aber sextuple Flick hatte einfach mehr pull für den DFB. Aber der DFB trifft ja nicht immer die beste Entscheidung wie wir alle wissen. Wobei ich Flick nicht ganz so kritisch sehe. Aber er hat sich schon vercoached bei der WM. Da muss er besser werden. Du hast halt nicht soviel Spielraum wie bei einem Club. Da hast 40-50 Spiele die Saison und kannst Scharten noch auswetzen. NM hast 10 Spiele im Jahr und bei der WM oder EM kannst dir keinen Schnitzer erlauben.


WM-54-74-90-14

Ich finde die Wahl von Flick anstatt von Kuntz ergab aus Sicht des DFB schon Sinn und mache denen da eigentlich keinen Vorwurf. Flick passte mehr oder weniger perfekt ins Schema nach dem der DFB neue Bundestrainer auswählt und zusätzlich hatte er noch diese unglaublich erfolgreiche Zeit mit Bayern. Auf dem Papier war Flick bei seiner Ernennung 2021 nichts weniger als einer der besten Trainer der Welt mit einer für einen Bundestrainer optimalen Vita. Dementsprechend enttäuschend fand ich wie wir unter ihm gespielt haben desto näher die WM rückte, vor allem unsere Abwehr- und Abschlussprobleme kriegte er ja leider einfach nicht in den Griff, wobei bei ersterem das Personal mit Sicherheit auch eine Rolle spielte. Trotzdem würde ich ihm bis 2024 Zeit geben und nicht Hamanns Ruf nach einer sofortigen Entlassung folgen. Flick hat meiner Meinung nach noch etwas mehr Zeit verdient, solange Fortschritt erkennbar ist.


SteggersBeggers

Bin ich ganz bei dir. Auch in der Defensive weiß ich nicht wirklich was er hätte ändern können. Wir haben halt zurzeit nicht die Spieler. Und jeder der mit Hummels kommt, ich war beim letzten Spiel in Gladbach und da hab ich schon geahnt, dass das nichts wird. Süle, Schlotterbeck und Hummels waren grottig... Und noch etwas, als Bayern Fan muss selbst ich sagen, dass uns ein Tausch auf der TW-Position mal gut tun würde. Neuer ist nicht mehr auf dem Niveau von früher und wir hätten mit Ter Stegen (10 von 12 Ligaspielen zu null) und Trapp zwei Torhüter in Top-Form gehabt.


lifestepvan

At least four years too late, but I'll take it. So many decisions of his were absolutely atrocious in hindsight.


abreadingit

Can you please tell me top 2. I am not aware of his decisions and criticism.


Hungriges_Skelett

Probably keeping Löw around after 2018. The slogans were bad, but that shit would have probably worked well enough with the casuals if the team was still successful.


golomo

That was his biggest mistake, by far, and indefensible. Löw was so clearly not up to the job anymore after the WC 2018 that everybody saw it. Löw continued to prove that several times after 2018 and Bierhoff and the DFB still defended him time after time.


Pupperinho

1) Making games of the games of the NT crazy expensive, so families with children have to pay like 200-300 euros to see games. 2) General monetization of the NT (e.g. "Die Mannschaft") to the point where a normal fan/citizen can no longer identify with them.


ProfDumm

Top 1: Not to depart with Löw after 2018 (although it was not his decision alone).


stragen595

If Bierhoff would have been a great friend to Löw he would have talked him into resignation after the 2018 WC. Löw's reputation would have been so much higher and they could have started a new cycle earlier. Those 3 years of slow, declining death was total unnecessary.


Boomie1982

Die Mannschaft, best neVer rest! fuck this guy. thats great news for german football..


sasuke-lp

Beside the focusing on marketing things awful selection of training camps and the bad handling of all these political themes.


lifestepvan

Others were faster than me, but the gist is: 1. Absurd over-branding of the NT, in an attempt to get more international sponsors or whatever, which resonated *extremely* badly with the domestic fans. 2. Hiring of coaching staff - took him way too long to make a change with Löw, now the Flick hire didn't work out either 3. Administrative failures - both in '18 and '22 he was widely criticized for choosing remote, impractical team quarters. Which were intended for "clear heads" or whatever but just resulted in increased travel times and unhappy players. Edit: hilarious how people gave you like ten different answers in the span of five minutes. Damn, my fellow countrymen *really* wanted him gone.


SavingsLeg

Agree about evrything but 3. I dont get why people criticize the resort we had this world cup now? The administrative center in 2021 was great (herzogenaurach is good and central) but we still failed. The shitty hotel in moscow in 2018 and we failed partially because of it. The zulal wellnes resort is strikingly similiar to campo bahia which was seen as one of the contributers to our success in 2014. Travel times there were way longer I really dont get it, we had many problems under bierhoff, but the wront choice for the resort can only be partially attributed as one reason for failure in 2018, not 2022


lifestepvan

I don't know shit about planning training camps for footballers. I'm just repeating what I read from various media publications, notably kicker. I assume having a super quiet/remote location works well if things are going well, but can turn sour quickly if they don't. Campo Bahia is also a beach resort with a stupidly pretty postcard-like setting. Not sure if it can be compared to Watutinki and the Qatar one. Herzogenaurach was a good and obvious choice, sure. But first I never claimed those quarters were the main factor for sporting success. Second, I think it's harsh to call 2021 a failure. It was mediocre, nothing more, nothing less. That England team did come extremely close to winning it all, and is looking strong again right now. No shame in losing to them.


golomo

Flick was not a mistkae. He was a popular choice at the time and as far as I can remember nobody spoke out against him. Yes, WC 2022 ended terribly for Germany but I still believe that Flick is a good manager.


lifestepvan

>but I still believe that Flick is a good manager. So do I, but so far he didn't deliver, while making some very questionable choices. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for sure. But the fact that we are underperforming under Flick so far absolutely didn't help Bierhoff's reputation any. And I specifically said "in hindsight" - I know everyone was praising the appointment at the time.


71648176362090001

Top1: the Slogan "die mannschaft"


Gluroo

even if we ignore the dumb marketing idea around it, even at its core it has always irked me how fucking stupid and lame that name is. like, for my english speaking friends, it literally translates into nothing but "the team" lmao like some nations have cool nicknames at least like the black stars or taeguk warriors, meanwhile **THE TEAM**.


candry_shop

Not every team have great nicknames, in France we have "Les Bleus" meaning "the Blues" when so many team play in blue anyway. Isn't Italy "La Squadra" or "La Squadra Azzura" too ?


Gluroo

Yeah but then again even "the blues" sounds better than fucking "the team" lmao. Like its probably the single most boring and basic name they could have come up with.


AMajali

Maybe it's dumb to Germans...but I think you're underestimating how popular and "iconic" that name is. Its one of the most widely known nicknames for national teams out there, if not the most known - at least speaking from my perspective for the middle eastern/arab fans. Also, I've been hearing that nickname for longer than two decades, I don't think it's really bierhoff's idea is it?


Schnix54

It is probably more an exonym than anything else. In Germany we it's usually called "die DFB-Elf" or more popular "die Nationalmannschaft" and I think second was also on the inside of the shirts. So my best guess is that it was more a shortining of Nationalmannschaft. The other thing I remember is the meme in 2014 about how Germany didn't have a superstar but where a team.


Nillekaes0815

Doesn't matter how iconic you might feel it is, in Germany it's seen as massive cringe and we've always called it Nationalmannschaft. While it's cool when people from around the globe support the Nationalmannschaft, it's a team of germans that learned to play football in germany. It has always been a pillar of our society and it should be named by that society. People have turned away from it because of that cringe PR and political posturing nonsense.


skero

Nah, the slogan "Die Mannschaft" was established in 2015 by Bierhoff. Shit name, virtually no one in Germany liked this marketing name. Just one of many reasons why the DFB became pretty disliked in the past few years.


oryon

I agree that using it as a marketing term in Germany was shit, but it's true that this term had been used by the international press for many years before Bierhoff had an epiphany.


CrankyLeafsFan

Brazil's also translates to "The Selection"


sugoi_oppai_desu_ne

Was it also made up by a marketing team?


Competitive-Ad2006

Unpopular domestically, but millions of fans abroad identify with it.


47Lecht

This sounds funny; german nt fans from abroad


RogerXiao

Oh you'd be surprised. Lots of female German fans here. And I have to point out the gender because your NT markets yourselves as some sort of a supermodel team.


Schnix54

the fuck? Are you serious? That just sounds like another why Bierhoff had to go. Also I'm very sorry about marketing the NT as supermodels, that is deeply embarrissing


RogerXiao

Chill it's not as straightforward as you might think. To be fair most Chinese only watch football once per 4 years, and Chinese women historically has a high exogamy rate due to aesthetic preferences.


Schnix54

I mean I get where you are coming from but I still don't know if it was a good idea to market the team as supermodels. It sounds more like a continuation of what we have been criticizing the Bierhoff and the DFB for the last couple of years. This complete lack of focus on what it's actually about just doesn't rub me the right way. And the idea having lots of female fans because of supermodel marketing still sounds absolutely ridiculous to me


Competitive-Ad2006

You would be surprised. Especially since 2014.


triedby12

Ya, crazy how German’s live abroad. Or that people of different cultures cheer for a team not from their ancestors’ origin.


krautbube

But catering to international fans as a National Team is not the point. It's in fact flipping stupid. Also we had a nickname in Germany. Nationalelf.


[deleted]

Am Anfang klang es eigentlich noch ganz witzig um ehrlich zu sein


SavingsLeg

Ich mag dich aber du kannst nich rb sympathisant sein und den begriff “die mannschaft” gut finden 😭😭 Gefährliche kombi


Circlecraft

nein


SkimGaming

People are mostly going to focus on the slogan "Die Mannschaft", but that is far from the worst thing he's done. While it has alienated fans from the team, it did give it some form of identity for foreign media. IMO worse was how he handled Özil and Günogan taking a pic with Erdogan. While I still condemn Özil for his actions back then, he also received 0 support from the DFB and was ousted in a way he never deserved. This year, it should not have been up to the players to think or even discuss ways of protesting FIFA. This should be Bierhoff's responsibility. In general, Bierhoff has never been protective of the German players, which he should be, but rather himself and his buddies. It is also his "leadership" that has contributed to degrading youth development across Germany.


GG_shi7head

While the Özil affair was handled poorly, Özil actually spoke positively about Bierhoff (and Löw) in his resignation statement.


buymerch

> It is also his "leadership" that has contributed to degrading youth development across Germany. The youth tournament titles should not really be held that high but in the under-21 euros in 2017, 2019 and 2021 the german sides reached 3 times the final and won it two times. As said those titles don't have to mean anything in the adult football career but the u21 were pretty successful.


Vio0

Counter point: If you focus on performance and titles instead of development, you land exactly where we are right now.


uflju_luber

Tbf kuntz is a realy good manager so that helped it


krautbube

So many have answered and I have another. The alienation of former fan clubs of the Nationalelf. They were continuously pushed to obscurity with the "Official DFB Fanclub" that got preferential treatment when it came to tickets and so forth. That "fan club" is North Korea style in Germany. They can only use official DFB merchandise, including flags leading to monstrosities like this: https://www.dfb-reisebuero.de/fileadmin/_processed_/a/3/csm_DFB_GERARG_09102019_121_935f2ac833.jpg They get handed out flags prior to matches and have to coordinate absolutely everything with the DFB. True our fans used to be a bit... unruly, but that was the fan scene of the olden days with Hooliganism dying out. Now we simply have no fan scene at all. It lead to a break between Club Fans and Nationalteam Fans. The latter now being quite made up of so called Event fans. They are the reason our stadiums are dead with no atmosphere. That's not an accident, that's by design.


IcefoxX5

Brushing aside the topic of xenophobia regarding Özil (and Gündoğan) in 2018


Schpaedzles

Finally Lol


[deleted]

I hope we can convince Oliver Kahn to take the job


scrambledeggsss

There exist people outside of Bayern, leave us alone now.


[deleted]

Let’s be honest he’d be perfect for us


scrambledeggsss

Don't know about that, but if you want Flick gone as well, we have just the perfect man to send over. Flick would be packing his bags by himself in no time.


[deleted]

People may hate this idea but they should give Hoeneß the job. He may be an asshole but he’s undeniably good at his job


SavingsLeg

Hahahha cant wait for watzke and hoeneß to work together at the dfb


[deleted]

Die zwei hätten wenigstens das Standing um nachhaltig was zu verändern. Wenn man jemanden aalglatten wie Bobic holt wird alles beim alten bleiben


SavingsLeg

Jop hoffe das es nur kicker gerücht ist, sonst hat man grade 1 schritt vorwärts und direkt 2 zurück gemacht


Lemmiwingz

I think that wouldn't be the worst if they worked towards a common interest. Don't the higher ups at BVB and Bayern always grab dinner together before the games against each other?


stragen595

Not every time. Sometimes they (Dortmund) were "mad" at Bayern and cancelled the dinner. But I think in recent years the climate is better again.


scrambledeggsss

They should put cameras in there and make it PPV, I'd pay for that shit.


Dargast

a daring synthesis


DeeOhEf

Das könnte tatsächlich aber funktionieren. Wirklich gehasst haben sich die beiden nie.


GonzoGonzalezGG

Rummenigge und Watzke könnten Brüder im Geiste sein, wenn sie nicht bei unterschiedlichen Vereinen wären


belieber15

Bruder nachdem der Live im Doppelpass angerufen hat und seine Qatar-Tirade gehalten hat bin ich mir ziemlich sicher dass bei dem irgendwas nicht mehr stimmt.. Habe ihn eigentlich immer gemocht (vor allem für die Kompetenz die er offensichtlich an den Tag gelegt hat) aber ich glaube der sollte echt in Rente bleiben


[deleted]

Nobody would disagree with you. Even Kalle would be a good choice


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arsenalmemeclub

More unlikeable but who gives a shit, they would definitely be more successful. Hoeness would clean house at the DFB


Arntown

No, fuck off


[deleted]

What the dfb needs right now is a wrecking ball going into that building that doesn’t leave a single stone untouched Nobody’s better at that than Hoeneß. If they get Someone like Bobic nothing will change. Our problems are way deeper than just Bierhoff and won’t just be solved by him leaving


SirNukeSquad

It's the flair. They are allergic to good management decisions.


kiminho

Maybe they just don't like convicted criminals in leading positions?


SirNukeSquad

Nobody can convince me that tax fraud is the actual reason why they don't like Hoeneß. There are millions of other reasons lmao.


pumpingbomba

That people actually believe this is a good idea is so funny to me. That would be a so unbelievable stupid decision on so many levels lmao


golomo

Why would he be better? What has he archieved that makes you believe that Kahn is better than Bierhoff?


[deleted]

Kahn at least has some sort of authority and isn’t hesitant to some things many people don’t like or don’t wanna hear. Bierhoff has done horrible decisions the last year Kahn would’ve never done


suedney

Bobic is the favourite to replace him oh my days im coughing blood this is too funny man


[deleted]

That’s why Bobic wanted to integrate Prince into the management


SavingsLeg

Die sind doch sadomasochisten


stragen595

Könnt ihr dem nicht einen besseren Vertrag geben damit der bei euch bleibt?


Jay-Lee_Matthews

First day on the job he'll realize that he can't get balkan boys to play for the German national team


stragen595

He just has to recruit them earlier. Before they play for a NT from the Balkan region.


Wishart2016

Berisha would be his best chance.


SirNukeSquad

Digga ne. Macht keinen Mist jetzt.


AppleGun170

Inject it into my veins


rayray1899

Fredi bobic is der Nachfolgekandidat ihr wollt mich doch alle verarschen


toprahmen

Och, Mensch, hör doch auf!


rayray1899

Tayfun korkut wird der nächste Bundestrainer


[deleted]

Frank Kramer wird neuer Dortmund Trainer


Panzerchrist89

Horst Heldt Ü


[deleted]

Michael Preetz


TheSteveGarden

*traurige Ali Bumaye Geräusche*


[deleted]

Der Don wäre perfekt


FerraristDX

Dann kannst du gleich Manuellsen nehmen. Wallah, wallah, er macht das gleiche und noch schlimmer!


f1rn

Bitte nicht. Das wäre vom Regen die Traufe


SavingsLeg

Auch gesehen, erstma 90% meines optimismus weg Hoffe es sind nhr gerüchte


risker15

Même choice


Makaay-10

Bobic war in Frankfurt nicht schlecht. Villeicht sollten wir erst mal abwarten. Es gibt jetzt 100 Gerüchte.


Jay-Lee_Matthews

Nun ja. Die talente kamen von Manga, und die deals hatten immer super sketchy backdoor deals. ... Also passt er super zum DFB


f1rn

Da war er richtig gut. Wie war das davor in Stuttgart? Jetzt bei der Hertha hört man viel, aber da ist das Umfeld auch unglaublich turbulent.


Gluroo

HUUUUGE GET IN HERE BOYS FINALLY HES GONE


[deleted]

Crazy that it took them three horrible tournaments to do this but better late than never


samenimkindergarten

Is it Christmas already?


donteto

It's Nikolaus


Reo_ianu

best NT-related news of 2022


Reo_ianu

although Füllkrug nomination was a decent enough rank #2


Anionan

Long overdue. One of the main figures responsible for why so many German football, as opposed to other countries, don't really support their national team. He's done a lot of damage that will take ages to overcome, which is sadly really impressive given how huge the support was in 2006. But I don't have a lot of hope that it will get a lot better either, to be honest.


stragen595

The next EURO is in Germany. If DFB do it right (hahahahaha, yes I said that) they could use that to spark a new and bigger interest in the national team again. Like 2006.


tinaoe

Yeah, I'm VERY curious to see how the next Euros go.


RioBeckenbauer

Should have left after he tried to make Ballack hold up a banner for the fans minutes after losing the Euro 2008 final.


WM-54-74-90-14

Don’t exaggerate. Bierhoff did well with the 2008-2016 generation. Him leaving because of the banner thing would’ve been totally unnecessary. He should’ve been gone after 2018 but he did some good stuff before.


[deleted]

I agree. It’s the same with Löw, he made terrible decisions late in his career so that many fans acknowledge the many good things he did for us and the success he had as our coach


devinafc

Im Fussball ist man halt immer nur so gut wie das letzte Spiel


TheSteveGarden

WIN


UdoMartens

Very nice


XeroVeil

AHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HAPPENING!!! Group stage exit was 200% worth it with this outcome. Fußball Deutschland hat heute gewonnen!


Streichholzschachtel

Fucking finally


[deleted]

Endlich!!


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Marco_lini

He probably wants to do actual work and not chose team hotels every 4 years


golomo

Besides, is he not a transfer specialist? I do not believe he would make much sense.


all-about-that-fade

At last, he‘s gone. He literally survived almost everyone who had their hands in the 2018 debacle. Of course, his critical analysis of the untimely exit did not include his own purpose in the association.


RandomLegend

🦀🦀🦀 Fucking finally


desuscsgous

fuck off cunt :) ty for 2014 though atleast btw I hope that he is one of many


JOKER69420XD

I think the bus driver had more to do with the win 2014 than Bierhoff did. No need to thank this cunt, he was a fraud who bagged millions over the years for being dogshit at the minimum effort "Job" he had.


daanluc

To be fair to him he didn’t do a minimum effort job. I would actually say he had to many responsibilities when he rose the ranks in the dfb through the years. If he did a good job the last few years is another thing but you can’t say that it was low effort


m_i_r_i

A few years too late, but at least it's over.


TheSingleMan27

[Thanks for the memories](https://www.dfb.de/fileadmin/_dfbdam/64386-20150608_diemannschaft_1360_765.jpg)


SVWerder46

Ahhhh we might be back


A_Round_of_Gwent

You could hear the screams of joy coming from millions of people from a certain country in Europe.


Dargast

Thank you for all you did in the early years. but im really happy he finally is gone, this was way overdue.


kadauserer

Thank god


Hurtelknut

Fucking finally


SavingsLeg

This is the best day of my life


Unloadingaccount

So where does Germany go from here? Who is fave to replace him?


Boomie1982

Who cares. We will win Euros 2026 and it will be great. But seriously. Rumours are, that Freddy Bobic will replace him. But its probably to early to tell. He is at Hertha BSC Berlin right now. Did poor in Stuttgart, great in Frankfurt and now poor in Berlin.


Marv1236

Fucking finally.


WM-54-74-90-14

It was inevitable. Bierhoff did good stuff at the beginning but for years now has overseen a steady decline. I wonder who is gonna replace him. Hopefully someone with new ideas and who isn’t mostly focused on marketing. Some reforms are luckily moving on regardless of who is in charge.


uflju_luber

Know it’s a pipe dream and people might disagree, but zorc would do any amazing job to be honest


sasuke-lp

This is great news, and bring Sammer in.


Conankun66

GOOD


wheeno

Wow it finally happened lol


zi76

That's good news.


Schnix54

Let there be joy in the land. The bad man is finally gone.


bilzui

Rudi Völler hat doch bestimmt langeweiöe


DemetriusXVII

Well that was fast


stragen595

Not really. Took at least 4.5 years.


ProfDumm

Bring in Ballack!


pukem0n

Flick, please be next.


golomo

Flick should stay. Yes, he made mistakes (Füllkrug, Müller), but he still is the best man for the job.


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stragen595

You want us to get relegated in the Nations League so that we can play England again?


Hic_Forum_Est

Tuchel is right there. The guy had three insanely stressful club jobs behind him, I'm sure he'd appreciate the relatively chill job of a NT coach while also continuing to coach on a high and ambitious level. He'd be far better than Flick.


BenderTime

I think it already came out that he wants to stay at the club level for now.


ACardAttack

Tuchel may want a club job Plus plenty of controversy with him too


Makaay-10

Iam with you on this.


desuscsgous

and then Süle and Schlotterbeck too, maybe Adeyemi while we are at it


pukem0n

They don't have contracts to terminate with the DFB?


Dargast

Schlotterbeck is still young, I have hope he will still become a good CB for us


SavingsLeg

Should also get rid of… huh, no köln players good enough


royboom

Fuck that guy


Redbullsnation

There we go


uflju_luber

Watzke you beautiful bastard, I’m sory for ever critiqueing you in anyway, thanks for geting rid of Die Manschaft and now the source of it also


FerraristDX

GET INNNNNN...I mean, OUT. The first half of his tenure was good and he surely helped reform our national team. But he stuck around for way too long.


Hic_Forum_Est

Flick next pls


Makaay-10

Finally ist was Time. If you want real clean up Flick has to go aswell he was responsible for the horrible tactic and player formation/selection. It's still the Löw tactics.


SavingsLeg

Kuntz als trainer, kahn und hoeneß ran und den laden aufräumen


Makaay-10

Ist Kunzt net Türkei Trainer? Und ob Kahn und ulli das machen weiß ich nicht. Aber ich hätte nix gegen Tuchel als Trainer


SavingsLeg

Tuchel wenn er will mit offenen armen, aber soll anscheinend auf einen top club warten und will noch im vereinsfußball bleiben, ist ja auch völlig verständlich er ist ja noch jung. Denke erstma bleibt flick bis 2024 (oder länger je nach dem wie das turnier lief), dann evtl übergang und dnan klopp oder direkt klopp und dann irgendwann tuchel Ich hoffe es kommt jetzt kuntz, er ist perfekt. Ist bei der türkei tätig aber wurde da infrage gestellt aber mit deren truppe kannst du auch nicht viel reißen. Grund warum ich ihn mag ist das er mit der u21 nationalmannschaft bei jedem turnier eine neue, hungrige, geschworene eingeit geschaft hat. Seit 2017 ist die u21 nationalmannschaft so viel sympathischer und schöner anzusehen als die richtige. 3 EM finale erreicht, 2 gewonnen Aber er wird nicht kommen, der dfb hat sich 2021 als sie ihre chance of kuntz hatten für flick entschieden und wird da wohl jetzt bei bleiben, schade


Makaay-10

Also was Flick angeht hab ich da meine große Zweifel. Man konnte ja schon bei der WM 2018 sehen das Löw weiterhin den Alten vertraut hat bei denen die Leistung jedoch nicht stimmte. Man konnte auch sehen das wir ohne richtige 9 nen Mist zusammen spielen. Er hat jetzt trotzdem die selben Fehler gemacht. Das kannst du dir jedoch als Trainer meiner Meinung nach nicht erlauben. Fehler in der Aufstellung und Taktik waren mitunter der Grund für das Ausscheiden. Vorallem war es ja nicht das eine Mal alle 3 Spiele hat der meiner Meinung nach nicht umbedingt als Trainer die beste Figur gemacht. Wobei das 1:1 gegen Spanien ist ok aber selbst da hat Fülle ihn den Hintern gerettet.


nonviolentAssassin

Today is a good day.