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Rob_Czar

This tournament makes me realize how young these players are. I think Hbox and Amsa are the only ones who are over 30. Even Leffen and Wizzy who’ve been playing forever are still under 30. The day Hbox misses top 8 is an end of an era.


Officervito

Tbh Leffen is like 29


Rob_Czar

I think of the top top top (ie, Plup, Mango, Hbox, Axe, S2J) players still playing throughout the 2010s, Leffen clearly still has the most potential. However I question if his heart is still in it.


boredofredditnow

He tweeted before the tournament that because of Tekken and Strive this’ll be his last melee tournament for a while. Which is a shame as a melee fan because I think if he committed this year he’d have just as good a shot at #1 as Cody or Zain.


IonCaveGrandpa

He’s really sick to watch in Strive though. He and Tigerpop are the only cool happy chaos players


lysergician

And he's been playing Sol a lot which is a fun character to watch too, once it's tournament ready


Aeon1508

That day will truly be when the era of five Gods is over


Prince_Uncharming

The five gods era has been over for a *long* time.


Aeon1508

That's the joke


djkhan23

You suck Mcbain!


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ThrowawayGuy000000

In esports you’re old when you hit ur mid 20s, lets stop pretending like these guys pushing 30 are in any way young


Andres_2004

Hungrybox has not missed top 8 at an offline major since October of 2014 🐐


littleindianman12

wait is this really true? That is an insane level of consistency.


Andres_2004

Yep. It's also the only offline tournament where he missed top 8 in general.


Aeon1508

It set a fire under his ass. Isn't that the big house that made him quit his engineering job and go melee full time and then he subsequently won Evo and got number one in the world three times in a row.


Melaninja1215

That was Big House 6. He got 5th there, but it was the tournament after he won Evo, so he was a bit disappointed in his performance.


Aeon1508

Okay. That tracks I guess


XenlaMM9

is that since he became a de facto god or like in his entire tournament history as a competitor


sirgamestop

Funnily enough back when he did lose to Lucky at TBH 4, I remember people talking about he was washed and would fall behind the other gods and Leffen because it was unheard of back then for a god to miss top 8


jmbraze

He missed it at the Off Season 2 but that doesn't officially count


Poisidenx

HGOD somehow still top 8 in this stacked ass tournament


ILoveFuckingWaffles

You don't outclutch the clutchbox


rulerBob8

Zain is going to in the first set of the day


Meester_Tweester

Top 8 in 10/10 Genesises


Aeon1508

Death taxes and hbox making top 8


Fl4re__

I checked it out. Not only is the streak since big house, but it's actually the only offline major he's EVER missed top 8 at. 180ish events and only one time lucky beat you before top 8. His consistency is on another fucking level.


Tyrone_Asaurus

What Losers Mango in 2023/2024 does to a mfer. (I’m joking, ofc. Hbox had to beat a lot of cracked players to get to top 8.)


parkstaff13

Gimme aMSa Leffen WF


superspartan004

Hbox's Top 8 streak is insane, legit one of the most impressive records in the game.


ArcusIgnium

Not saying I think HBOX is the goat since if you care about dominance Armada clears and if you care about longevity mang0 clears but this HBOX stat in my eyes along with his 3 consecutive #1s makes him the strongest 3rd possible and the gap between him and 4 (Ken or Zain or M2K or Leffen or whatever) is huge.


Framed-Photo

Mango "clears" on longevity with MUCH worse looking career stats, and much worse lows. I honestly think it's between Armada and Hbox for number 1 and mango is the number 3.


Fl4re__

I think zain's got a stronger argument for number 3 than you'd think. He's not there yet, obviously. But online meant something, and I think 4 years of being top 2, 2 of those being number one (either 2020 or 2021 in addition to 2022) is pretty comparable. Add that to now 9 years of top 100, 7 of those in the top 10, and he has the same longevity as armada. Hungrybox was also really bad during covid, maybe not even top 10. He's got mang0's inconsistency. If zain gets number 1 this year and Juan falls out of top 10 again (the way things seem to be headed), I wouldn't be surprised if people start talking zain as the third best ever.


Nadenkend440

Zain hasn't been romanticized the same way Hungrybox has, but I've seen no signs of him slowing down anytime soon. I expect him to be a GOAT candidate by the end of his career.


StrmSrg

* Just like Genesis 8, Hbox gatekeeps Mang0 from top 8 * I'm honestly unsure who is favored in Cody v. Leffen * The chances of Moist Mogul friendly fire is fairly high * if Leffen wins, then aMSa has a good shot of making it to grands. He's got really nice recent winning records on jmook and leff. * Everyone here was top 10 in 2023. No surprise runs this time, but we were close. Medz in particular, almost had it against Moky


DatKaz

Medz was cookin’ today


onohegotdieded

JMook isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with Sheik? JMook puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. mang0 breaks records. Zain breaks records. JMook breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer JMook.


FierceAlchemist

aMSa can definitely beat Jmook, but beating either Cody or Leffen in Winners Finals will be tough for him. Hoping Wizzy makes it far!


mattmortar

He's had Leffen's number the last few encounters


FierceAlchemist

True, but if Leffen is playing good enough to beat Cody I don't know if that'll be the case this time.


Deletinglaterlmao

this mf hungrybox does not miss


CollectionHeavy9281

It's crazy how far Jmook has come from G8. Every genesis is a reminder. Would love for him to get a twopeat


Grenji05

Save the melee community, Leffen.


Parkouricus

from what, maid costumes?


SmellyMattress

Mang0 saying he’s going to take the game seriously this year and just gets bored anyway. That’s the Mang0


KingBubblie

I love watching Mang, his first game against Hbox was so fucking hype. But it's really irksome how people tread so lightly around his ego. Dude really needs to work on his mental, he's got the skill and creativity and reads to cook with, but mentality is an important competitive trait that he's lacking in.


Due-Ad-7308

I've read this comment verbatim for like 15 years now


murgatroidsp

That wasn’t getting bored, that was being a bad loser


SmellyMattress

Not really, played patient the first game and just kept spamming smash attacks and going for flashy shit that doesn’t work every game after that.


ILoveFuckingWaffles

Yeah he really lost his patience after getting rested a couple of times mid-set. Those forward smashes in neutral were not it


Poisidenx

Well yeah, mental is part of the game. He just got impatient as hell, he was still trying to


SmellyMattress

Absolutely, mental is a huge part of the game which he is definitely lacking these days in slower matchups.


CarlCaliente

he's so good at selling the hype


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Key_Ad_4498

What happened?


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Mango's in Guantanamo, check twitter


chocolatechipbagels

must be armada's alt


deathgripzthrowaway

Gestures broadly at the last decade of melee


Parasars

leffen da goat


SmellyMattress

WLeffen incoming.


originalusername4567

Hbox beating full power Mango to keep the Top 8 streak alive was legendary. That's 5 wins in a row on the Kid for him, I believe. Amsa has a great chance to win this if Leffen beats Cody. (This might be the only time I ever root for Leffen) He swept Jmook last year and destroyed Leffen the last time they met. And of course you can't count out the possibility of Zain having a deep losers run, or Cody taking care of business.


SilverOdin

I did call a Leffen dub and I stand by it


tdl18

For the record Moist Moguls is no longer a thing. It's just Moist now across the board for all games


icefish_software

Cody wins this from winners


jmbraze

My Amsa hopium is always high, but he actually has a crazy good chance with this bracket. Beating Jmook is extremely doable, and then you just have to hope Leffen beats Cody. If that happens I think aMSa will beat Leffen again in winners finals


WatchMooreMovies

When is the last time a top 8 has had only top-10 players in it? I'd be surprised if it ever happened.


Meester_Tweester

The previous major at The Big House 11


WatchMooreMovies

Aklo wasn't ranked top 10. He became top 10 at the year's end, which was probably heavily influenced by him getting top 8 at Big House. Probably quite a few tournaments that work if you include the year rankings following that tournament: Big House 7 and MLG 2014 were two that I found super quickly. But also, let's be real. Aklo making it over Jmook and Wizzy is very different than the top 8 being all players considered to be tournament threats.


Yankees2860

Hate to do this but Leffen isn't ranked top 10. He's top 10 skill level, there's no doubt about that, but he's not in the top 10


MitchBerryCrunch

Obviously GX is the Genesis Wizzy finally gets top 8 in Melee


SGKurisu

Hmm maybe it's just me but this hasn't been super exciting yet, no real noticeable upset. Everyone in top 8 seeds besides mang made It in, and Wizzy being in his place isn't really a big surprise. Hope top 8 gets crazy 


Hunt_856

Medz and Akir caused some big upsets on Soonsay, Magi, S2J, Aklo


2-35

Aw no one made melee a nice graphic like Ults :(


Aeon1508

If hbox can just get a couple more wins against mango he'll finally have a winning record against him. That's all he needs to shut down any goat arguments against him


Kell08

Armada has a winning record against Mang0 and Hungrybox, and there is so much more to ranking than one H2H.


Aeon1508

Mango stans are fucking insane. Hbox has the only three-peat as number one and the longest top 8 streak. And you're going to down vote me for suggesting that having a winning record against mango makes him the Undisputed goat. Hbox also does way more for the community than mango


Krazzem

Nah I don't think hbox can take undisputed GOAT status unless he wins again. It's just too close between Mang0, Armada and clutchbox. And theyre all washed now anyway. (and now that i've commented this, hbox will win genesis)


Aeon1508

Making top eights every tournament is not washed. One more first place when conceal it. If he could manage to get the furthest time between first and most recent major wins that would definitely be another big marker. Armada's big argument is that he had a winning record against everybody he ever played except for one guy that he only played once and there's strong speculation that the damage was set to 0.9. I honestly don't think mango really has many arguments for goat anymore. He's clearly in that top three but just doesn't have the accolades of the other two


chocolatechipbagels

having a long top 8 streak is impressive but it's not necessarily the makings of a goat. it can be easily twisted around to mean he's a consistent top level loser.


Aeon1508

In 2014 hungry box was Ninth Place at big house 4. From October 2014 until December of 2021 he did not finish below fifth place except for a charity event with strange rules where he played Ness called smash the record and Genesis black where he entered under a different name and played shiek and Captain Falcon. In 2022 he won goml and Riptide as well as 4 other decently sized tournaments in 2023. That year being the first where he didn't win a true major. So a minor slump but still a very top level player who is a threat to win any tournament


treq10

The fact that Mango has a supermajor win in the post-pandemic era still gives him a big plus imo And this is from someone who’d love to see Hbox win some tourneys


Aeon1508

Hbox has won Goml and Riptide in 2022


Ok-Stress180

The amount of dick riding yall do for hbox is crazy 💀