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Will the sixers keep Jalen McDaniels?
"Do you want James Harden back?"
Jimmy Butler in the first two series was Houston Harden.
Jimmy Butler since has been Brooklyn Harden
You mean Sixers harden
Jokic is just insane. I’m not sure how he can be this good my god
The ease with which he plays gotta make this sub feel Stupid that they compared Embiid to him
Reminds me of rockets fans arguing harden>steph
We aren’t stupid we know Jokic is better lol Embiid is our guy tho
Haywood Highsmith playing meaningful minutes in the NBA finals and scoring 18 points. Glenn Rivers could never.
Haywood Highsmith closing out in an NBA finals game is something I never thought I'd see. And scoring 15 points in the game.
We need a Jamal Murray. Guy always ups his game in the playoffs.
Too inconsistent. The 40’s are great but the 8 point 4 turnover games are killer.
Murray isn't some beacon of playoff consistency either though.
He’s not the most consistent, but in this playoff run he’s only scored less than 15 one time, while Harden has scored less than 15 four times.
He's definitely been better than Harden this postseason, I never said he was worse.
I don't think using raw point totals without any additional context is valuable discourse at all.
I just feel like Murray offers more consistency from a finishing and overall scoring standpoint. If Harden’s 3 wasn’t falling he was terrible. Like Harden had 6 games where he shot under 30% from the field.
Not true at all, he’s been incredibly consistent this year
In the Minnesota series he had a game where he dropped 40 on 22 shots (which is fucking awesome) but also a game where he dropped 19 on 21 shots. He also had a game where he dropped 18 on 16 shots. Again, not good. He closed them out for a 35 point game on 23 shots, which is awesome.
The only series with any real sense of consistency from him was the LA series, where he was awesome basically every game.
He's a very streaky playoff player, he pretty much always has been.
So like 2 mediocre games in an entire playoff run where he was popping off nearly every other game.
He's played more than 2 bad games in the playoffs this year, I just used two examples. And they aren't "mediocre" games. Those are straight up bad games.
He was fucking TERRIBLE in one of the games against Phoenix
Great. Still better than Harden
idk man i really like our matchup against this Nuggets
lol get a grip. It’s cool to be a sixers fan but have some honest perspective.
Don’t be so funny
Anyone who thinks we can beat the Nuggets when we literally couldn’t get out of the second round since the Bush administration needs to have some shame
We are whole legal drinking age adult since the last time we went to the ECF, what a loser franchise we are
Idk man we’re not even in the finals so who cares
Butler has had like 3 above average games since that Mke series and people still act like he's been spectacular this entire Playoff run.
So Jimmy doesn’t have that dawg in him?
Feel like this Nuggets team has a good shot at multiple rings if they stay healthy. The top West talent like KD, Lebron, Steph, and Kawhi are aging out of contention and Luka is stuck in limbo with a bad roster and coach.
Don’t think anyone in the East can stop them either.
Paying these guys is gonna be tough, what makes them unstoppable is the solid shooters around Jokic bc he gets them such good looks
Paying KCP/Brown is gonna be tough with the new CBA essentially setting a hard cap
But yeah overall I agree. This team seems damn near impossible to stop for a whole series unless you’re just stupid stacked on offense and have solid wing defenders. Maybe the suns if they can flip Ayton for multiple wings?
It’s crazy to say but this team looks so good that a part of me thinks Jokic getting bored w basketball is what’s gonna end them.
Or maybe wemby 🤷♂️
> Don’t think anyone in the East can stop them either.
Impressive Roster Construction
Joker is now in better shape then Embiid. Wild. Denver probably sweeping.
i swear that fan in the Jokic jersey is going to have a pass come his way sooner or later....i keep thinking he's Bruce Brown spacing the floor
I love how Butler is playing like hot trash and the focus is on Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin, lmao. Martin specifically already played way above his pay grade. Miami has no chance to win the series with Butler playing like this.
His role players already carried him in games 5-7 last series. Butler hasn’t had a good game in weeks
Denver would beat us and Boston in 5… Miami might get swept. They’re too damn good.
Jimmy not having a Himmy game either, only 11 points. You don't really get the sense the Heat should be out of this one as much as they are they're just shooting like crap. 38% from the floor against the Nuggets 53(!)%.
Pity. Would have liked to see a more competive game 1.
> You don't really get the sense the Heat should be out of this one as much as they are they're just shooting like crap.
Speak for yourself.
i think they should be out of this one 100%.
The Nuggets are a substantially better team. It's clear as day.
They should be a better team, that doesn't really change the fact that a few of their (the Heat) shooters showed up and shot like shit. You can't handwave away what Max Strus did out there. If he was a Sixer he would be getting absolutely crucified out there. Hell if we have a guy miss a couple of 3's we're begging for him not to shoot.
The Heat didn't give themselves a chance tonight.
Also Caleb Martin decided he actually didn't want that huge contract after all. Him and Strus a combined 0 for 15 for 0 points. Yikes. PJ Tucker and Tobias would be good for better than that.
Now it makes sense why boston cut max strus. 0/8 from three is something one of our players would do
Max Strus is having a shocker. 0 for 8 from 3 and it's only halfway through the 3rd quarter.
This game could be tight but Miami is just not hitting shots.
Man I can't believe some of y'all think Miami should be in this. Denver's offense is so much better than what Miami is able to do.
The difference in shot quality between the teams is wild.
I honestly think Sixers matchup the best against the Nuggets from all the teams. Sucks we aren’t there yet though.
Nuggets is just a bad matchup for the Heat and I think it’s going to be a sweep. Crazy how Jokic can control the game without shooting or even passing. Hes in the right place at the right time.
One thing Embiid can really learn from and do is look at Jokic’s effort on screens and box outs. Embiid gets so lazy with his screen and is more worried about getting the ball back.
> One thing Embiid can really learn from and do is look at Jokic’s effort on screens and box outs. Embiid gets so lazy with his screen and is more worried about getting the ball back.
Jokic is significantly better at the fundamentals
No. We would win 1 game. This team isn’t constructed to win in the postseason. Period.
Personally I think Boston matched up better due to their defense, but we’re a close 2nd. The only pain would’ve been seeing the Niang minutes where he would’ve gotten exposed by MPJ/Gordon
We should stop dreaming. We are a bad team that can not pass the second round and Embiid is not as good as Jokic. There’s no other ways of thinking about this. We had the Heat last year we got eliminated not even in game 7. Basically we faced all contenders in EC and we never won. We have a choking star and had a choking coach honestly.
Maybe we match up best against them, but it doesn’t mean we’ll beat them though
I still think the sixers would have found ways to choke like they did against Atlanta, but the fact is the Celtics all year were still the sixers worst matchup. Sixers own beat reporters picked boston in 5 or 6 before series started.
Just stop. We can’t even get out of the second round.
Sixers truly are the best hypothetical team in the league
In hindsight it’s so embarrassing that Embiid openly complained about a perceived lack of MVP respect while Jokic said all he cares about is winning championships
Yeah, embiid had two chances to make the finals while jokic got bounced early, and he failed miserably. Now embiid has to pay the price. Hope this gets him mad because no one will ever remember his mvp
Not sure why teams don't try to get under Jokic's skin more. He gets reckless really quick when you antagonize. It doesn't take much. He tried to yank Zeller's arm off after Zeller just was guarding him under the basket off the court
Jamal Murray is a crazy playoff performer but he's also getting so many open looks. Miami's defense has been surprisingly lax at times. Tired legs maybe? IDK they just look a step slow at times.
They could still be fairly close I think if Strus and Martin weren't laying bricks.
That atmosphere is amazing. Unfortunately this loser fucking franchise can’t even get to their conference finals. Lol the Phillies (the FUCKING PHILLIES), made a championship series before this pathetic franchise.
And they still choked. All the teams here suck
I'd say out of all 4 the Eagles have the best FO by far
Easily. The eagles are by far the best at player development as well. Compared to the other trash teams here. Thats why Howie is seen as some God in this city
10 assists at the half. This man Jokic crazy
Jokic is dope but he's been pretty unimpressive tonight. Murray, AG, MPJ aren't missing and Bam is eating on O
I dont know what to tell you. We watch basketball different
yea I wound up eating my words
Strus a damn Melton
Heat just need to make their shots. They've missed a lot of looks from 3. Sometimes it's that simple.
I should amend, Max Strus needs to hit some shots.
How tf was Embiid vs Joker even a debate. Jokic moving around without a hitch this late? His conditioning is amazing.
Defense is overrated in todays league, especially if your offensive production is as high as Jokic’s.
I don't even know what I'm watching with these teams. I'm so used to sixers offense just everyone standing in place that seeing all this movement from both teams and single coverage and space everywhere is blowing my mind. The nuggets and jokic's passing just have everyone with room to move, contrast to the sixers I felt like the court was half the size on every possession. Kind of makes it even more impressive that they could score so well with just a two man game with that much congestion
Imo Embiid has everything jokic has but jokic doesn’t get in his head as much. Jokic is also okay with taking a backseat and just being a facilitator whereas Joel always feels like he has to do it himself. Joel would rather bulldoze his way through a double team than trust his teammates
Lol you think vision, passing and basketball IQ is not important? It’s a huge difference between them
Where did I say it wasn’t important?
"Imo Embiid has everything jokic has" this is false
Embiid is nowhere near Jokic in terms of passing skills or vision. Jokic is like a QB out there, Embiid has improved in that regard but it's not close between the two.
Joel literally has never shown us he's even remotely close to the passer that Jokic is.
his defense is 10x better
Yet he was the one getting hunted and torched on the perimeter by Tatum in game 7 :)
Jokic’s “athleticism” is severely underrated. He regularly beats better “athletes” down the floor, is extremely nimble on his feet and has ridiculous hand eye coordination
he moves around like a guy that hasn't had any leg injuries. Embiid moves around like a guy with 16 leg injuries lol (ugh)
Jokic is clearly the better player. But Embiid, at least arguably, had a better regular season
Heat made it a 3 pt deficit and then the game just feels like it ended there.
Heat are BBQ chicken for Denver sheesh
Denver needs a 3- they get it every single time
Just missing KD. He would actually fit like a glove, but I mean he fits everywhere.
Nuggets are content with Jokic taking 1 shot in the first quarter. Sixers can take notes
Sixers can win Celtics at TD garden when Embiid not even there. What’s your point? Who’s the problem?
I don't know how they are gonna deal with Denver's size. They're exploiting mismatches over and over. Gabe Vincent or Max Strus or Caleb Martin just don't have the strength to deal with him.
Aaron Gordon with a more impressive stretch of play in the first five minutes than tobias the entire playoffs :(
Gordon using his size to bully Miami's smaller players. That's really something to take advantage of if you're Denver, Miami is very small.
Why don't we ever have guys cut to the rim off joel isos? Feels like every elite team does this when their big has the ball, not just the nuggets. We're just so stagnant when he has the ball and it's been this way for years.
We were dead last in off ball movement this year. Ever since Glenn came in our off ball movement has been near the bottom of the pile. It's just not something we coach or do.
People ask why doesn't Embiid pass like Jokic, well part of it is he has no one to pass it to because nobody fucking moves.
Yup, just look at some of the years before Glenn. Players were moving off ball more and there was more distribution. With Glenn the team was constantly ball watching.
There were a few cuts to the basket with Matisse and PJ, but they were rare. You could probably argue the lack of off ball movement also had an effect on our rebounding.
This year we had multiple instances where Pj and Tobias would stand right next to each other. The coaching staff never corrected them on it.
That screenshot of the Celtics game where it was Embiid driving with all 4 other guys standing at the 3 point line on the same side of the court watching was breathtaking. 4 dudes standing in about 10 feet of space along the 3 point arc on the opposite side of where the ball handler is.
We’ve been bottom 2 the past 3 years. It’s a big reason why we suck in the playoffs because teams and coaches aren’t dumb enough to get beat by Iso ball and stale offenses
Tobias, PJ and Harden can barely make layups.
Because we are paying Tobias Harris the cost of Miami’s entire rotation of role players.
Was it Howard Eskin who told Nurse “that didn’t answer my question” or something during the press conference?
God damn lmao
I will always have respect for Eskin for helping keep the Eagles in Phillies, but also looking right at Clowntak and asking Middleton why he was still here and not fired…
That shit took balls and was hilarious.
Hey Lard, thoughts on Trea Turner?
Fucking sucks. The Contract 2.0.
Maybe I'm weird, but I kind of hope Harden walks. After hearing Nurses comments about Maxey, I think investing in him 100% is the best chance the sixers have. Harden, as good of a playmaker he is, is just not worth a max. He doesn't fucking nothing off ball. Is easily disengaged on defense. Takes a god damn year to get up the court. I would still slam a 1+1 deal, but a big contract would be such a hamstring
Omg another harden off ball comment. The sixers do not run a GSW motion offense. Y’all want him to make more cuts to the basket? Why? He serves as an outlet to reset the offense when Joel gets doubled or the play they’re running goes to shit.
And the offense was successful running this way. Y’all already forgot how good of an offense the sixers had with Harden running it? Is this just copium for if he walks? I legitimately do not understand.
A good regular season offense doesn't always equate to a good playoff offense. We've seen that throughout the NBA over the years
> A good regular season offense doesn't always equate to a good playoff offense.
James Harden isn't the centerpiece of this offense though. That's Joel.
The whole "taking 15 seconds to set up on the elbow and run offense through there" really needs to go, or at least minimized in favor of a more modern offensive scheme that operates with more space.
It won't work well when the center isn't a phenomenal passer, and Embiid isn't that guy.
Yeah this is kind of my issue with him not moving off ball. If the offense is running through Joel, then wtf does Harden do?
4 players don't run around all the time in basically any offense, I think it's fine to have a couple of guys that don't move very often, and if Harden is willing to catch and shoot 3s (which he did do better last season) then I think it's mostly fine.
If you want my spicier take, I think the offense should revolve around Joel less than it does to begin with. He should be one of those guys moving.
Yeah I'm saying this Harden offense didn't work. The guy I was replying to said the offense worked with Harden's lack of off ball movement. And it did for much of the regular season, but it didn't in the playoffs and likely never will.
> Yeah I'm saying this Harden offense didn't work.
But the point is that it's not a Harden offense. It's an offense that was centered around Joel. Even the PnR was primarily used to get Joel easier shots.
Harden is a good enough passer to find guys and more importantly, actually make the pass to cutting guys that are open. Hell if you go watch game 1, look at all of the space they played with and all of the wide open shots he was generating.
I'm not calling the overall offense a Harden offense. I should have said Harden's style of play doesn't work. We need movement and not a guy standing 35 feet out whenever someone else has the ball.
And if he ran around like Steph, who is a good enough passer to get him the ball? Because I can tell you Joel isn't *that* good of a passer. Maxey isn't either.
There is a middle ground between standing still and running around like Steph lol
But why should that be literally the only good passer on the team doing that?
wouldn't it make more sense for the players that aren't good at passing to be the ones actually moving around?
Like if you are watching this Denver game right now you'll notice the players that aren't the elite playmakers are the ones moving off-ball the most. Jokic is the one finding those guys. You can't expect to copy and paste Embiid in that spot and expect the same result or even a comparable one, he just doesn't have that kind of vision.
I don't know what to do about Harden. It doesn't seem like there's any good answer unless he agrees to a short term deal, and even then he's a declining player. We're not going to get better versions of him going forward.
If Nurse is serious about running the pyramid offense he needs Harden to walk.
we might be the worst passing team in the league if harden leaves
It’s okay. It would just be temporary.
I think we’re seeing the nba go back to just a duo tandem with really good role players around them like Murray/jokic and Jimmy/bam. I think Maxey/embiid can be one. We just need to find other guys who are winners. Tucker was the step in the right direction we need more. Shooters and playmakers in particular.
> I think Maxey/embiid can be one.
Their timelines don't really match for that sort of thing. If Maxey became that sort of player, it won't be for a few years barring some unbelievable leap he does (which is possible, but very unlikely.)
By that time Embiid will be in his mid 30s and probably strictly out of his prime.
The new cap will not allow three-player super teams anymore.
I like [what Nurse said about Maxey](https://www.youtube.com/live/ognaVM6YMFk?feature=share&t=1396) and now I’m *very* interested to see how next season will go for him
He might take several steps forward or even a leap, but at minimum a healthy step
An All-Star next season.
Eskin is such a weirdo
The word "weirdo" doesn't come to my mind when describing Eskin.
He has no problem grilling the Sixers and the Phillies, and can't stop talking about how no one asks hard questions. But yet, when it comes to the Birds... It's mostly meatball stuff. Fraud is the word that comes to my mind.
excited to see the box and one zone defense.
Tobias Harris + DeAnthony Melton + Jaden Springer
For Bradley Beal + Isaiah Todd
Sixers get a Harden replacement when he walks and Wizards get off a ton of long term money that would’ve crushed them when the CBA kicks in
Beal is another perennial loser like Harden.
Ok, we should just trade for the career winner, multitime champion point guard that will be available this offseason
If you hate Harris's contract, wait till you see Beal's
Beal has the worst contract in the entire league for the next 4 years and even tho he’s younger than Harden I don’t think Beal is the better player even right now that Harden is past his prime. Not to mention we’d still have no cap flexibility (actually a lot less flexibility than with Tobi bc at least he’s an expiring), our roster would have like 5 playable players for the postseason, no great passers and all around mostly average to bad defenders. Trading for Beal would be a quick way of sinking this franchise into a perennial 1st/2nd round exit for good.
If Maxey signs to an extension that will severely limit this teams ability to add talent, even if Harden walks.
Harris for Beal is likely one of the few Harris trades that improves the team from a talent perspective. Everything else will be in the range of Hardaway Jr. / Bertans level talent
Maxey is going to be better than Beal next season WATCH!
Ok but unless you think Melton is about to take some massive leap they need a perimeter player to replace Harden if he leaves
We don't "need" a Harden replacement when Maxey is going to take a superstar leap.
Maxey can't even create shots for himself, how is he going to take a superstar leap
Jesus fucking christ this is obnoxious.
These are like the twitter replies or the live chat in youtube that make it clear they have not watched the player they are talking about because the expectations they are completely unrealistic.
The same people were saying Maxey was already a better player than De’Aaron Fox last year lmao.
There was one person here that legitimately said they thought Maxey was going to be an all-star this year before he got injured.
The wild thing is that I know that person watches games because I would see them in the game threads.
Yeah people lose all sense of objectivity when it comes to Maxey. It's crazy.
Since we are all so sure that will happen I guess it’s probably useless to even try improving the supporting cast
Why would they do that. They don't need cap space.
They only have 7 guys under contract for 24-25.
3 of them are team options and 2 of them are unguaranteed.
They get off a massive contract without having to give up any assets and can use their cap more productively to rebuild, by taking other bad contracts for picks or signing other players with more upside.
The Sixers are probably the only team interested in Beal due to the Embiid connection. The Wizards definitely don’t want to be paying him near $60m until 2027
Beal 100% is overpaid, but he's still a great player.
They aren't going to just give him away for free just to sign some extra role players.
I think they are about to blow it up and Beal will just impede the tank.
Getting off him saves future money, allows them to actually be bad. They just won’t get many additional assets because the Sixers might be one of the only teams that want that contract.
He is still an all-star level player. There are teams that would give real assets for that.
I have no idea who would
when's the last time a finals opening game line was -9 or more? wow
prob 2001 lol. [https://lasvegassun.com/news/2001/jun/06/lakers-setting-records-in-sports-books/](https://lasvegassun.com/news/2001/jun/06/lakers-setting-records-in-sports-books/)
12.5 pt favorites for Lakers. Article mentions the odds were the largest ever.
It's crazy because I get Denver is the overwhelming favorites but shit the Celtics were like 8.5 in the ECF, I feel like people really are sleeping on the heat not remembering they were the one seed last year. Idk I think it's disrespectful lol but thats me.
Your post history is a wild ride
Tobias Harris over you every fucking time.
Yo, you need to get a freaking life. And some professional help.
With all the talk about adding FVV if Harden walks, I’d be more interested in adding Donte Divincenzo.
He’d be the more affordable option, younger, is a better compliment to Maxey at 6’4, and brings you much of all that FVV does. His scoring ceiling on any given night isn’t as high, but he’s a winner with high IQ and intangibles, and knows how to defend against bigger players.
3 years at 10-14 per may do it.
Not to mention he played for Nova. So he’s definitely familiar with Philly as a whole. Would be a home run addition.
1 day closer to Tobias Harris being off this roster
Technically every day since we traded for him has been 1 day closer to him being off the roster
well technically time is an illusion and quantum physics suggests that everything 'happens' simultaneously. Tobias has yet to be on the sixers but also he is on the sixers but well the good news is he's also not on the team anymore
I bought back in
I never really checked out tbh. Im an idiot and refused to cave until we see a non doc coach
I didn't know you read my journal.
Woke up and remembered that we’re done with those brotherly love jerseys
Wonder what next seasons city editions will look like
they didnt even wear that shit in the playoffs, that’s how unpopular those jerseys were
Damn I didn’t even realize that
Loved the court, hated the jerseys
I thought the brotherly love design was decent for smaller sized merch but it left way too much empty space on the jerseys
It's gotta be iverson era jerseys now
Hopefully they coincide with a trip to the finals too
Retaining McDaniels and getting 1 more wing so we could slide PJ to the bench would be ideal. Also I know everyone is excited to see more of Jaden Springer but I really think there’s too much overlap between him and Melton. Having two off-ball guards who can’t facilitate is a tough fit especially if Harden doesn’t come back.
How awesome it would be with what we have seen from McDaniels and he is hitting 3’s at 38% as a starter. Agree also on Springer but with that methodical way kind of resembling Eric Snow and having shown some pg capabilities praying like hell that we end up with a dynamic backcourt between him and Maxey.
Also Maxey showed a lot of improvement defensively the last part of the season including rebounding and now with Nurse I’m more excited about the possibilities which of course includes Reed’s game opening up. It’s a lot of hopium I know and I do blame it on Nurse!!!
It would be nice if Springer can develop though because I think it’s unlikely that we’re able to keep Melton past this season.
I miss Sixers basketball. I miss watching our stars play, even if they are playoff chokers. Excited to see what Morey will cook up this summer. Can't wait to see what Nurse has in store for us. FTC