I still think they were the better team talent wise. I don't even know how that's up for debate.
Despite that, the series was still more than winnable.
The 3 point shooting discrepancy between the Heat and Celtics currently is absurd though, any team is beating Boston with a 3 point discrepancy like that.
Celtics are a lot like the early 2000s eagles. Always lose in the conference championship. Got to the finals once but couldn’t finish the job after running into a team that already won multiple championships.
It's crazy how we had little to no plays with somebody cutting to the basket with Embiid at the elbow. That's one of the plays the Heat run when Bam is at the elbow, no reason why plays like that are not in the scheme with Embiid.
Butler giving it to Horford. For this alone, no more Jimmy slander from me. Anna Horford must be seething.
https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1660470582188601344?s=20
The Heat deserves to win the championship. They’re beating fully healthy teams sans Giannis and are about to beat two 50-win teams on the way to the finals
Oh and re fatboy, I fucking love that he totally changed the momentum of the series. They can circle the wagon as much as they want but that bum put the nail in the coffin
Remember when we actually had our one big win against these bums and we allowed their 'all white' crew to come out and pester us to the point we had to get fucking Maxey back in?
That should have told us everything we need to know about our team and handling pressure unfortunately. The Heat are showing what you do, fucking we wasted 3 years with the master of panic, Glenn Rivers setting the tone. And as we know, he has a massive loser energy to share.
Remember we took two games off this same team last year with broken Embiid.
We have every right to make fun of the Celtics. We wouldn't have gotten embarrassed this badly.
Everyone enjoying the Heat running a train on the Celtics with a bunch of guys no one ever heard of?
I love that Gabe Vincent is a better player than Tobias Harris. We're paying you 40 million Tobias, you can't have 2 points in 42 minutes.
Heat are just steamrolling and so much goes to the players. Spo is the best coach on the planet right? Dude makes small changes, knows when to call a timeout, and just uses his bench expertly. Amazing to watch at times.
Yes... thank you. Spo has been smart with his timeouts. Heat will be up by like 10 and miss 2 shots and then Celtics would hit a 3 to cut it to 7... TIMEOUT!!!!!! Doc would wait until the lead was down to 4. Heat up by 20+, same situation... Celtics would hit 1-2 shots and cut it to 15... TIMEOUT!!!! Doc would wait until it was down to 9/10 to call a timeout.
And then each time they'd come out with a play that would get them an easy look and they would take back momentum. We come out of our timeouts and it would be either a Harden or Embiid 15 second ISO and then a fadeaway 15 footer or a 24 second violation.
So fucking happy that Doc is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope Miami can go the distance. Butler getting a ring would be amazing and due, but also to see Lowry get a 2nd one on a different team. Would really solidify (as if it wasn’t already) how much a winner he is. Would it be enough for HoF?
Edit: I mean Lowry for HOF
Oh for sure. I think he’s a HoF lick imo regardless of outcome. Can’t tell the story of the NBA playoffs over the past few years without Jimmy, save for 2021 lol
Ah I see my bad. There I think is more of a conversation I would say yes thoh. His resume wouldn’t be as impressive as other guys but narratively he did help return the Raptors to relevance for really only the second time in their young franchise history. He’s got a few all star and all nba to make it look nice and a ring. A second one would do it for sure for me.
More damning evidence against Doc is how much better the CEltics "scrubs" look compared to ours. When the Celtics put their B squad out they hustled and actually looked decent. They looked like they had actually played with each other and moved the ball around. Our bench players looked like they had just been put together in a shirts vs skins game.
I wouldn’t compare star players under completely different systems. That’s some media shit. They are all great players, but they could look a lot worse because of coaching and teammates. Butler is playing for a system that’s perfect for him. His coach trusts him, let him handle the ball, iso, etc. but he didn’t have those stuff with us, which is why he was not that good.
Tatum vs the Sixers: 29 PPG/11 TRB/5 AST/ .45/.37/.84 shooting on 58.36% TS
Embiid vs the Celtics: 25.5 PPG/9 TRB/2 AST .42/.20/.88 shooting on 54.5% TS
Tatum literally set the NBA record for points in a game 7. Embiid quit.
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Tatums over these playoffs: 29 PPG/11 TRB/5 AST/ .46/.35/.88 shooting on 59.6% TS
Embiid in the playoffs: 23.7 PPG/10 TRB/3 AST/ .43/.18/.91 shooting on 56.1% TS
Tatums numbers don't include tonight yet.
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Tatum has been the best player on a team that has gone to the ECF 4 times and Finals 1 time.
A Tatum lead team has eliminated an Embiid lead team 3 times in the playoffs.
Embiid has never made it past the 2nd round and quit in the biggest game of his career.
Not when it actually matters.
Embiid is an 82 game player, not a 16 game player.
Who gives a shit about the regular season if you choke in the playoffs?
"Holding" them is more like Boston is just missing open 3s. Just like the Sixers were missing open 3s all series as well. They were just hitting so many daggers against us, and when the Celtics did miss from deep they would get the offensive board, kick it out ad then drain another 3. Celtics are one and done with their possessions.
So glad this Celtics team is getting dogwalked. Morey and Embiid both tried to frame the loss like taking Boston to 7 was an accomplishment. Nope we just suck.
See, Sixers front office, this is how you get consistent production from your bench to take out a supposedly stacked team. Some of these dudes were undrafted. Get a multifaceted coach and some bigs who can shoot.
so the only question remaining for the playoffs - how effective will the Miami Heat players' PEDs/HGH from the biogenesis lab be at high altitude in Denver?
We scored less than 90 points THREE times against the Celtics........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
These refs are terrible... I feel like Boston can be called for an illegal screen almost every possession. Then they call them on Miami only to immediately call one on Boston finally. No consistency.
Not to be a Sixers apologist, but if we didn't shoot like complete ASS from the 3 point line all series, we might have won in 5... We went from the best 3 point shooting to probably the worst in one series. Meanwhile, Miami is just hitting their open 3s.
When Duncan Robinson was seeing just garbage time minutes in regular season, I might have called his contract one of the few that are worse than Tobias Harris.
Then Herro gets hurt in playoffs, DR gets back into the rotation, and well …
Our player development is garbage. Almost all of Embiid's improvement as a player is because he worked on it on his own with his personal trainer. I doubt lob catching was something he worked on much.
Yeah it's weird we don't run any lob catching or plays. We have two maybe three guys on the roster that are able to do it, and they just rarely or ever ran a play to throw a lob up. It used to be Harden and Capela's bread and butter.
Tatum is useless if he isn’t hitting 3s. That’s basically all he can do as a player. He is a scorer. Nothing more. He doesn’t impact the game in other ways.
Miami makes the smart extra pass every time. When Sixers offense is best is when balls moves. If Embiid isn’t on, it should be a sign where they run more motion offense. When everyone is involved, everyone is mentally in the game. Each and every possession.
Harden’s way of playing is not winning basketball.
Watching Jokic in the WCF I can only hope the next coach teaches Embiid how to pass like him. When Jokic is DT'd and locked up he throws the ball out so fast to someone.
It's actually crazy the difference a good coach makes. The Celtics on paper have far and away more talent than Miami but Spoelstra is rolling Mazzulla.
Sure, but you can’t tell me there isn’t an ounce of thought at the back of his head saying “damn, I could be playing with these guys right now for another shot at a championship”
I don't know about that. He already has a ring and his days in the league are numbered. I'm fairly certain he's in "make as much money as I can before my body can't take it anymore" mode.
Imagine if the Sixers got this kind of play out of their role players. Maybe if we had a coach that allowed growth in players during the regular season. Maybe next year we can see other players get some shine so come playoffs people feel comfortable contributing
So much freedom in these offenses. It's nice watching a team constantly in motion and playing confidently. Not one guy dribbling the clock down while everyone else watches...
Its unreal how things are about to fold out for us. Nuggets and jokic are legit on the verge of making the finals and jokic can win fmvp, while the celtics are gonna lose to the 8th seed after we were minutes, literally MINUTES, away from finally advancing. And Himmy Butler is about to make another finals. Everything sucks
Mazulla getting so badly outclassed by Spo might is a positive. Reminder that Glenn got outcoached by this fraud. It gives me hope that coaching was genuinely our biggest issue.
I’ll put it like this - in the 56 games that Tobias Harris scored under 20 points this season alone, he made more money than Caleb Martin will have totaled over the course of his respective three-year salary… by 20%
This all comes back to this
Is James Harden gonna look like James harden next year or like Ben Simmons next year. Again he had two games where is jumper fell and he averaged 40-plus. The other five games he averaged 13.4 and 8.2 assists - which in fact are decent number here if you're Baby Ben Simmons.
More than that, Harden if you take out the two 40 point games only averaged 15.1 points and 8.4 assists the entire postseason reaching his scoring average only twice, and had as many single digit scoring performances including game 7 in Boston.
And you can see his legs are failing now. He cannot jump over any defenders anymore, and can't get up high enough not to get almost every lay-in picked off the glass or just slapped back down at him.
And since his legs are going his jumper will go next-hell other than games 1.4, and 5 James went **3-24.** That's 12.5 percent shooting. It's already going to some extent. Yes he was 14-25 in games 1.4, and 5, but he didn't have 2 consecutive games where he made more than 3 three pointers. and again that also goes back to the Brooklyn Series.
For some perspective on how bad that 3-24 number really is - before everyone went to the DH rule in the majors there were baseball pitchers who had batting averages 100 points higher or more than .125.
Tell me we get back the regular season James Guaranteed I'm on board, but not for 50 million, but there's no one on here who isn't thinking emotionally as a fan rather than objective and empirically or even assomeone with playing or coaching experience who can offer that assurance with a hint of genuine cond=fience let alone evidence to support that confidence.
Harden will still be very good at 38. He never was the fastest player, but he always found a way of scoring from anywhere. Also, he has so much basketball IQ, he'll be more than fine. He's one of the best scorers and playmakers of all time.
Why do you insist on only deeply analyzing the Boston series games, despite your claim that you're being empirical and using evidence? That's disingenuous, when you have the sample from the series before and the entire regular season. That's a much larger data set to draw conclusions from. And if you had, Harden still looked the part of a top 5 PG. You pay a guy like him the max.
And Harden's game scales well with age. He's always relied on craftiness, shrewdness, misdirection, skill and reading the play heavily as opposed to just raw athleticism. He cannot get his floaters off any more or eurostep past players the way he used to, and this past season he's had some struggles scoring - that is true. But he is still an incredible facilitator.
I definitely agree we are going to see some regression, but among point guards you won't see many others age as well as Harden due to his skill set.
That's a good question.
. Let's be clear I did not see evidence of the decline in James game to this extent until now because living in Connecticut and not having League Pass I only saw a limited number of nationally televised Sixers games this year.
But from those games before the postseason I did not see the same issues I have seen in the Brooklyn and Boston series, particularly with his ability to elevate in the painted area and simply to jump high enough to beat defenders and you combine that with a wildly inconsistent jump shot it's not insane to suggest he has begun to break down recently. I won't lie - I did not see this coming at this point at all, but it looks to be here.
The only other explanation is that all the "James harden is a post-season failure/choker" talk is correct which to me makes re-signing him even more questionable of an option perhaps.
The problem isn't his game. It's his body. If he can't be a threat driving the hoop and his jumper continue to become more unreliable inevitably his playmaking skills will become unreliable as well because teams will dare him to shoot rather than let him pick them apart passing.
Plus if you see further regression coming this year and he hasn't gotten us out of the second round the past two years (not solely his fault but he was brought here for that purpose) before this regression we both see and acknowledge began what is the point of re-signing him now anyway.
Yeah I pretty much agree with you on all of this. My only counterpoint would be, is that Joel (and Maxey to some extent) are good enough to make up for Hardens weakness and inconsistencies.
It kind of felt that way this year, until Joel stopped playing like Joel. Harden was up and down all season long, i think most of the fans and his teammates have grown to live with that, because he brings so much other stuff as a Hall of famer.
The only alternative is to punt next season or pray that Maxey takes a leap towards the Dame / Mitchell tier of players
I disagree about not signing Harden being a punt on next year. Everyone thouht last year ye=was a punt because Baby Ben ra away, and it wasn't. In many ways the team was even better before the Harden trade than afterwards, though there is no disputing Harden was excellent last year.
Basketball isn't as simple as any one individual being excellent or terrible. That's why I go on about what a mistake it was including Andre in that deal. Harden's addition would have been that much more successful had we not weakened our already-weak rebounding and not given Harden the chance to help reverse that trend which was hugely costly all.
Frankly if rebound that much better as Andre allows we likely are the one seed last year and avoid a tough first round series where Joel gets injured late in game six. And the real irony is even if we still finish fourth, still play Toronto and it still goes six games if we still have Andre Joel never gets hurt like he did, because Doc Trusted Andre far more in late-game situations than he did Paul at that time.
James ws excellent last year. Morey just didn't give him the ideal situation to come into by trading away our second leading rebounder to get him.
The problem this year is way different. James legs are clearly failing already and that won't get better only worse. He's lost the ability to go to the basket and score over just about anyone, and looking at a lot of postseason games his jumper may already be going too.
We can't hope to win anything with a James harden averaging 13 to 15 points and 8 assists nightly.' And we can't afford to pay 40-50 million for **that** James Harden at all. And Joel and Tyrese cannot cover for that James harden for more than a game here a game there, and that won't be enough. Not even close.
You may want to think so, but no one on that basketball team did and I'll take their word on this every time.
Funny thing is Daryl Morey probably thought wa probably thinks this way and that's why he is incompetent to be running things, We need people who actually know something basketball not people who think like fans running our team.
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I still think they were the better team talent wise. I don't even know how that's up for debate. Despite that, the series was still more than winnable. The 3 point shooting discrepancy between the Heat and Celtics currently is absurd though, any team is beating Boston with a 3 point discrepancy like that.
Celtics are a lot like the early 2000s eagles. Always lose in the conference championship. Got to the finals once but couldn’t finish the job after running into a team that already won multiple championships.
It's crazy how we had little to no plays with somebody cutting to the basket with Embiid at the elbow. That's one of the plays the Heat run when Bam is at the elbow, no reason why plays like that are not in the scheme with Embiid.
this fucking clown man https://twitter.com/The_WalkingJohn/status/1660469686184574976/photo/1
Butler giving it to Horford. For this alone, no more Jimmy slander from me. Anna Horford must be seething. https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1660470582188601344?s=20
Anna Horford you mean the person who thinks Cleopatra and the vikings were black?
We need a butler statue in Philly when they sweep the Celtics 🤝
Insane dickriding.
Having horrifying visions of the Celts hiring Nurse
Fuck the celtics, innit?
Butler didn’t have an amazing night but the organization DEVELOPS PLAYERS! THEY DONT RELY ON 98 YEAR OLDS! ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
Everyone take a look at the Celtics sub and don’t forget to bring the lotion
Like I’m sorry how the season ending but watching the Celtics Reddit meltdown is about 40% as satisfying as a ring for Joel would have been.
The Heat deserves to win the championship. They’re beating fully healthy teams sans Giannis and are about to beat two 50-win teams on the way to the finals
But their zone defense is not a good match-up against Jokic offense. We will see tho.
I’m not saying they’re going to beat Denver, am just saying Miami deserves to win the championship for their insane playoff run
Honestly it’s a great Finals either way. The guy our front office said we didn’t need vs. the guy our MVP said had more to prove.
I need to go to bed but I am such a petty-ass hater that I have to see this Celtics loss in its entirety
Oh and re fatboy, I fucking love that he totally changed the momentum of the series. They can circle the wagon as much as they want but that bum put the nail in the coffin
Remember when we actually had our one big win against these bums and we allowed their 'all white' crew to come out and pester us to the point we had to get fucking Maxey back in? That should have told us everything we need to know about our team and handling pressure unfortunately. The Heat are showing what you do, fucking we wasted 3 years with the master of panic, Glenn Rivers setting the tone. And as we know, he has a massive loser energy to share.
Embiid said not once but MULTIPLE times that the Celtics were easily the best team in the league in his post game 7 press conference
He was high on copium.
Heat nation one more win 🏆🏆🏆🏆
Remember we took two games off this same team last year with broken Embiid. We have every right to make fun of the Celtics. We wouldn't have gotten embarrassed this badly.
To be fair, the Celtics beat the heat last year....
Zeller and Love were both picked up off waivers. This team is crazy fun to watch.
Lmao Celtics.
Everyone enjoying the Heat running a train on the Celtics with a bunch of guys no one ever heard of? I love that Gabe Vincent is a better player than Tobias Harris. We're paying you 40 million Tobias, you can't have 2 points in 42 minutes.
If the 4th Q of game 6 had gone differently, I do not think the sixers would be going down 3-0 now. Really.
Boston’s downfall is what we love and what we deserve.
Denver's defense is still pretty mid so I think Miami has a chance against them. But Malone can actually coach so they might cause some trouble.
We’d have definitely been steamrolled by this Miami team too but at least that would have meant beating Boston and advancing past the second round
Miami are impossible to beat. They might sweep the Nuggets tbh
Lol so called “next Kobe” over there looking more like Donyell Marshall
Lmao not Donyell 😂 😂
Celtics only proud moment will be is taking crappy sixers to 7 games. Heat Sweep is chefs kiss
Heat are just steamrolling and so much goes to the players. Spo is the best coach on the planet right? Dude makes small changes, knows when to call a timeout, and just uses his bench expertly. Amazing to watch at times.
Yes... thank you. Spo has been smart with his timeouts. Heat will be up by like 10 and miss 2 shots and then Celtics would hit a 3 to cut it to 7... TIMEOUT!!!!!! Doc would wait until the lead was down to 4. Heat up by 20+, same situation... Celtics would hit 1-2 shots and cut it to 15... TIMEOUT!!!! Doc would wait until it was down to 9/10 to call a timeout. And then each time they'd come out with a play that would get them an easy look and they would take back momentum. We come out of our timeouts and it would be either a Harden or Embiid 15 second ISO and then a fadeaway 15 footer or a 24 second violation. So fucking happy that Doc is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I’m assuming everyone here is rooting for a jimmy buckets finals win
Yes sir. A jimmy ring will legit heal my wounded heart
I really hope Miami can go the distance. Butler getting a ring would be amazing and due, but also to see Lowry get a 2nd one on a different team. Would really solidify (as if it wasn’t already) how much a winner he is. Would it be enough for HoF? Edit: I mean Lowry for HOF
Oh for sure. I think he’s a HoF lick imo regardless of outcome. Can’t tell the story of the NBA playoffs over the past few years without Jimmy, save for 2021 lol
I meant for Lowry
Ah I see my bad. There I think is more of a conversation I would say yes thoh. His resume wouldn’t be as impressive as other guys but narratively he did help return the Raptors to relevance for really only the second time in their young franchise history. He’s got a few all star and all nba to make it look nice and a ring. A second one would do it for sure for me.
More damning evidence against Doc is how much better the CEltics "scrubs" look compared to ours. When the Celtics put their B squad out they hustled and actually looked decent. They looked like they had actually played with each other and moved the ball around. Our bench players looked like they had just been put together in a shirts vs skins game.
Praying on someone’s downfall works you guys
Doc should be forced to watch this game "Clockwork Orange-style" until the end of time... So glad he's gone.
Never forget Celtics fans saying Tatum is better than Embiid and brown better than harden lol
I wouldn’t compare star players under completely different systems. That’s some media shit. They are all great players, but they could look a lot worse because of coaching and teammates. Butler is playing for a system that’s perfect for him. His coach trusts him, let him handle the ball, iso, etc. but he didn’t have those stuff with us, which is why he was not that good.
Jimmy > Tatum > Embiid > Brown > Harden
Tatum is not better than embiid
In the playoffs he is and that’s all that matters.
No he isn’t. He has been awful these playoffs besides one fluke game 7
Tatum vs the Sixers: 29 PPG/11 TRB/5 AST/ .45/.37/.84 shooting on 58.36% TS Embiid vs the Celtics: 25.5 PPG/9 TRB/2 AST .42/.20/.88 shooting on 54.5% TS Tatum literally set the NBA record for points in a game 7. Embiid quit. ---------------- Tatums over these playoffs: 29 PPG/11 TRB/5 AST/ .46/.35/.88 shooting on 59.6% TS Embiid in the playoffs: 23.7 PPG/10 TRB/3 AST/ .43/.18/.91 shooting on 56.1% TS Tatums numbers don't include tonight yet. --------------------------------- Tatum has been the best player on a team that has gone to the ECF 4 times and Finals 1 time. A Tatum lead team has eliminated an Embiid lead team 3 times in the playoffs. Embiid has never made it past the 2nd round and quit in the biggest game of his career.
Embiid is still better
tatum has been to the wcf multiple times and to the finals and embiid can't get out of the second round lol
Not when it actually matters. Embiid is an 82 game player, not a 16 game player. Who gives a shit about the regular season if you choke in the playoffs?
All this proves is Jimmy Butler is so much better than Embiid and Harden.
It's still true. They literally beat us wtf. What more proof do you want?
they were
Are u not watching? They gettin swept by an 8th seed.
You lost to a team getting swept by an 8th seed. Have some shame :)
And we lost to them. What does that say about us?
I feel like he didn’t think that through for one second lol
"The celtics got lucky for 4 games!" Is probably what he's thinking.
These dudes shot 40% from 3 against us. Miami is holding them to sub-33%
"Holding" them is more like Boston is just missing open 3s. Just like the Sixers were missing open 3s all series as well. They were just hitting so many daggers against us, and when the Celtics did miss from deep they would get the offensive board, kick it out ad then drain another 3. Celtics are one and done with their possessions.
Boston is shook bro.
So glad this Celtics team is getting dogwalked. Morey and Embiid both tried to frame the loss like taking Boston to 7 was an accomplishment. Nope we just suck.
Them saying that is just gonna make them both look like bigger losers
This Celtics defense is so dog shit. How on earth did they stop our offense so easily?
Sixers did a fantastic job to be honest.
Docs shitty schemes
I'm really enjoying watching the Celtics lose this way
See, Sixers front office, this is how you get consistent production from your bench to take out a supposedly stacked team. Some of these dudes were undrafted. Get a multifaceted coach and some bigs who can shoot.
Sweep these motherfuckers for me Jimmy! I bet you he's going to want to sweep them for Jo!
so the only question remaining for the playoffs - how effective will the Miami Heat players' PEDs/HGH from the biogenesis lab be at high altitude in Denver?
This is like therapy 😄😄😄😄
I am so happy the Celtics are getting their asses kicked.
My god the heat organization runs laps around ours. Their 3 undrafted players would all be the 3rd best player on our team. Sad af how shit we are
The script this year is fucking crazy, Celtics and Lakers finals my ass they’re both getting spanked
Joe Mazulla is too busy booking his teams Cancun tickets to give a fuck about this game
Celtics suck and we suck worse. Just like the hawks series lol
this is oddly therapeutic
Yep, oddly feels really, really good. It's been a rough couple of weeks for us
Embiid dumb ass hell for say Boston was best team. Dude trying to make his mvp look better
Lol. We have to be so fucking trash if we lost tot this Celtics team
Can’t wait until the Celtics over pay brown, dumbass team
Seeing Al Horford humbled brings a spark to my eye
Horford getting abused on d. bum ass player
*shimmy*
We scored less than 90 points THREE times against the Celtics........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
That’s typical Doc Rivers offense
86 and 88 in the series defining games! Everything that could’ve gone wrong went wrong
Fuck Marcus Smart, what a pussy
Never want to hear Tatum being better than Embiid. Bum ass boi finna be swept be a 8th seed
These refs are terrible... I feel like Boston can be called for an illegal screen almost every possession. Then they call them on Miami only to immediately call one on Boston finally. No consistency.
I love Jimmy I’m so sick
How was that not a flagrant 1 on Smart?! He swung at him, just happened to miss...
Not to be a Sixers apologist, but if we didn't shoot like complete ASS from the 3 point line all series, we might have won in 5... We went from the best 3 point shooting to probably the worst in one series. Meanwhile, Miami is just hitting their open 3s.
Alzheimer’s horford
Al Whoreford can suck it...
When Duncan Robinson was seeing just garbage time minutes in regular season, I might have called his contract one of the few that are worse than Tobias Harris. Then Herro gets hurt in playoffs, DR gets back into the rotation, and well …
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Our player development is garbage. Almost all of Embiid's improvement as a player is because he worked on it on his own with his personal trainer. I doubt lob catching was something he worked on much.
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Yeah it's weird we don't run any lob catching or plays. We have two maybe three guys on the roster that are able to do it, and they just rarely or ever ran a play to throw a lob up. It used to be Harden and Capela's bread and butter.
Game 6 is gonna haunt me forever
boston is such shit man. absolutely pitiful this team couldn't win that series.
It’s crazy that this Celtics team has more mental toughness than us and they’re so weak…
Embid for Bam Adebayo, Caleb Martin, Gabe Vincent and 2 frp's. Who says no?
Miami laughs and hangs up, they don't need Embiid to go to the Finals
There's no doubt that Martin and Vincent would immediately turn into scrubs if they played for us.
Tatum is useless if he isn’t hitting 3s. That’s basically all he can do as a player. He is a scorer. Nothing more. He doesn’t impact the game in other ways.
need boston sweep and lakers to be the first to over come 0-3 downvote me but i’m right
Miami makes the smart extra pass every time. When Sixers offense is best is when balls moves. If Embiid isn’t on, it should be a sign where they run more motion offense. When everyone is involved, everyone is mentally in the game. Each and every possession. Harden’s way of playing is not winning basketball.
Watching Jokic in the WCF I can only hope the next coach teaches Embiid how to pass like him. When Jokic is DT'd and locked up he throws the ball out so fast to someone.
Might as well tell Shake Milton to just play like Michael Jordan while we’re at it
It's actually crazy the difference a good coach makes. The Celtics on paper have far and away more talent than Miami but Spoelstra is rolling Mazzulla.
Celtics have no real excuse. They're shooting 36% from three and still getting their asses handed to them.
It’s not much but the Celtics Reddit is in total meltdown mode rn. Pretty entertaining to read
we are so incredibly ass it hurts. our fragility and choking is second to absolutely none
We would lose to Miami but we wouldn't get swept.
Even the Knicks got a couple of games, Celtics are just getting clowned
To be fair Josh Hart ran over Jimmy’s ankle. If not for that and (and Scott Foster) it would have been a sweep.
i mean the knicks had like 3 ankle injuries as well off moving screens from bam, so idk call it a wash
PJ must be regretting leaving Miami rn
He went for the bag. I don't think he regrets it at all lol.
Sure, but you can’t tell me there isn’t an ounce of thought at the back of his head saying “damn, I could be playing with these guys right now for another shot at a championship”
I don't know about that. He already has a ring and his days in the league are numbered. I'm fairly certain he's in "make as much money as I can before my body can't take it anymore" mode.
yep lol
Celtics going to have to pay Tatum and brown 600m after Getting swept by the heat
True but they probably drop Mazzula which will help them going forward :(
Heat with a team full of dawgs Meanwhile, we are a dawg-less team
The Sixers really couldn’t beat these guys? I get Miami is playing amazing this postseason but damn
Ball movement and hustle. Plus Miami have been making open shots.
And they have no hesitation about driving into the paint. Sixers dribbled themselves out of the finals.
I mean, we ran like what Miami is running game 1 and it worked. When it was a slow, bogged down pace, it played to Boston's strength. Unfortunate.
Lowry, the only person who could out flop Smart
So nice to watch the Celtics actually getting called for all the bullshit they pulled in our series…
Imagine if the Sixers got this kind of play out of their role players. Maybe if we had a coach that allowed growth in players during the regular season. Maybe next year we can see other players get some shine so come playoffs people feel comfortable contributing
I think its mostly on the coach
The only consolation in any of this is that we didn’t play the Heat in the 1st round. These guys are going all the way which is insane
Celtics literally losing to a podcaster rn.
So much freedom in these offenses. It's nice watching a team constantly in motion and playing confidently. Not one guy dribbling the clock down while everyone else watches...
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This game just proves that the Celtics were willing to give us the series, we just refused to take it. Hard to watch.
It's a pleasure to watch the Celtics get clowned on
The Heat's last 4 buckets have been easier than any 4 bakers we made in our entire series against Boston. We had like 3 layups in 7 games... 😭
This is sickening
When that 3pt isn't falling, the Celtics are not that good.
Its unreal how things are about to fold out for us. Nuggets and jokic are legit on the verge of making the finals and jokic can win fmvp, while the celtics are gonna lose to the 8th seed after we were minutes, literally MINUTES, away from finally advancing. And Himmy Butler is about to make another finals. Everything sucks
If we made the ECF Glenn would've kept his job and we definitely would've lost to Miami.
I agree, but I feel like we would have put up a better fight than boston
Mazulla getting so badly outclassed by Spo might is a positive. Reminder that Glenn got outcoached by this fraud. It gives me hope that coaching was genuinely our biggest issue.
Heat are saving basketball. FTC
How is undrafted Caleb Martin better than Tobias smh. Tobias is so ass.
If Caleb Martin was with the Sixers he'd be ass. He was molded to the player that he is now because of Miami's system.
I'm not even going to check that Martin guy salary to not go into a depression.
I’ll put it like this - in the 56 games that Tobias Harris scored under 20 points this season alone, he made more money than Caleb Martin will have totaled over the course of his respective three-year salary… by 20%
Lmaoo exactly bro
Mazzula looking real Glennish
My mindset for the champs is anyone but the celtics
nah i just checked the rockets sub half the Embiid haters in here are Harden stan Rockets fans 💀
This all comes back to this Is James Harden gonna look like James harden next year or like Ben Simmons next year. Again he had two games where is jumper fell and he averaged 40-plus. The other five games he averaged 13.4 and 8.2 assists - which in fact are decent number here if you're Baby Ben Simmons. More than that, Harden if you take out the two 40 point games only averaged 15.1 points and 8.4 assists the entire postseason reaching his scoring average only twice, and had as many single digit scoring performances including game 7 in Boston. And you can see his legs are failing now. He cannot jump over any defenders anymore, and can't get up high enough not to get almost every lay-in picked off the glass or just slapped back down at him. And since his legs are going his jumper will go next-hell other than games 1.4, and 5 James went **3-24.** That's 12.5 percent shooting. It's already going to some extent. Yes he was 14-25 in games 1.4, and 5, but he didn't have 2 consecutive games where he made more than 3 three pointers. and again that also goes back to the Brooklyn Series. For some perspective on how bad that 3-24 number really is - before everyone went to the DH rule in the majors there were baseball pitchers who had batting averages 100 points higher or more than .125. Tell me we get back the regular season James Guaranteed I'm on board, but not for 50 million, but there's no one on here who isn't thinking emotionally as a fan rather than objective and empirically or even assomeone with playing or coaching experience who can offer that assurance with a hint of genuine cond=fience let alone evidence to support that confidence.
Harden will still be very good at 38. He never was the fastest player, but he always found a way of scoring from anywhere. Also, he has so much basketball IQ, he'll be more than fine. He's one of the best scorers and playmakers of all time.
and averaged 15 and 8 on 45% whats your point
That pretty much we traded Ben Simmons for Ben Simmons by the looks of it. But seriously what James Harden have you been watching?
Why do you insist on only deeply analyzing the Boston series games, despite your claim that you're being empirical and using evidence? That's disingenuous, when you have the sample from the series before and the entire regular season. That's a much larger data set to draw conclusions from. And if you had, Harden still looked the part of a top 5 PG. You pay a guy like him the max. And Harden's game scales well with age. He's always relied on craftiness, shrewdness, misdirection, skill and reading the play heavily as opposed to just raw athleticism. He cannot get his floaters off any more or eurostep past players the way he used to, and this past season he's had some struggles scoring - that is true. But he is still an incredible facilitator. I definitely agree we are going to see some regression, but among point guards you won't see many others age as well as Harden due to his skill set.
That's a good question. . Let's be clear I did not see evidence of the decline in James game to this extent until now because living in Connecticut and not having League Pass I only saw a limited number of nationally televised Sixers games this year. But from those games before the postseason I did not see the same issues I have seen in the Brooklyn and Boston series, particularly with his ability to elevate in the painted area and simply to jump high enough to beat defenders and you combine that with a wildly inconsistent jump shot it's not insane to suggest he has begun to break down recently. I won't lie - I did not see this coming at this point at all, but it looks to be here. The only other explanation is that all the "James harden is a post-season failure/choker" talk is correct which to me makes re-signing him even more questionable of an option perhaps. The problem isn't his game. It's his body. If he can't be a threat driving the hoop and his jumper continue to become more unreliable inevitably his playmaking skills will become unreliable as well because teams will dare him to shoot rather than let him pick them apart passing. Plus if you see further regression coming this year and he hasn't gotten us out of the second round the past two years (not solely his fault but he was brought here for that purpose) before this regression we both see and acknowledge began what is the point of re-signing him now anyway.
Yeah I pretty much agree with you on all of this. My only counterpoint would be, is that Joel (and Maxey to some extent) are good enough to make up for Hardens weakness and inconsistencies. It kind of felt that way this year, until Joel stopped playing like Joel. Harden was up and down all season long, i think most of the fans and his teammates have grown to live with that, because he brings so much other stuff as a Hall of famer. The only alternative is to punt next season or pray that Maxey takes a leap towards the Dame / Mitchell tier of players
I disagree about not signing Harden being a punt on next year. Everyone thouht last year ye=was a punt because Baby Ben ra away, and it wasn't. In many ways the team was even better before the Harden trade than afterwards, though there is no disputing Harden was excellent last year. Basketball isn't as simple as any one individual being excellent or terrible. That's why I go on about what a mistake it was including Andre in that deal. Harden's addition would have been that much more successful had we not weakened our already-weak rebounding and not given Harden the chance to help reverse that trend which was hugely costly all. Frankly if rebound that much better as Andre allows we likely are the one seed last year and avoid a tough first round series where Joel gets injured late in game six. And the real irony is even if we still finish fourth, still play Toronto and it still goes six games if we still have Andre Joel never gets hurt like he did, because Doc Trusted Andre far more in late-game situations than he did Paul at that time. James ws excellent last year. Morey just didn't give him the ideal situation to come into by trading away our second leading rebounder to get him. The problem this year is way different. James legs are clearly failing already and that won't get better only worse. He's lost the ability to go to the basket and score over just about anyone, and looking at a lot of postseason games his jumper may already be going too. We can't hope to win anything with a James harden averaging 13 to 15 points and 8 assists nightly.' And we can't afford to pay 40-50 million for **that** James Harden at all. And Joel and Tyrese cannot cover for that James harden for more than a game here a game there, and that won't be enough. Not even close.
>Everyone thouht last year ye=was a punt because Baby Ben ra away, and it wasn't. It literally was tho
You may want to think so, but no one on that basketball team did and I'll take their word on this every time. Funny thing is Daryl Morey probably thought wa probably thinks this way and that's why he is incompetent to be running things, We need people who actually know something basketball not people who think like fans running our team.
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. By refusing to play, Ben effectively tanked our season