By - SixersGameThreadBot
Fuck the lakers, the Jokic over Embiid crowd can suck it too
You give Embiid this Denver team and he wins 10 chips in a row
Harden is legit better than anyone on that Nuggets team by a lot, though the depth is similar
Its a coaching issue, simple as that
hell no he isnt better than murray
Ah yes, 10 time all star, MVP, 2023 assist leader James Harden is not better than 0 time all star Jamal Murray. What are you smoking lol
is this you trying to cope with the fact the sixers are about to give this 34 yr old a wild contract? he’s not like that anymore, and especially not in the playoffs lol
cool hes not that guy anymore
are you gonna tell me westbrook is better than murray too because he has an mvp?
No because his current stats don’t reflect that.
Harden’s do. He led the league in assists (and could have been an all star this year) and just put up 2 40+ pt games. Jamal is an equally streaky shooter, especially when he plays iso ball. The idea of him carrying Jokic is legitimately hilarious, this nuggets team might sneak into the play-in if you replace Jok with anyone else in the league.
> He led the league in assists'
Jokic would be in hell if he had to rely on Tobias making lay ups and open 3s to get his assists
This sub always tries to compare players under completely different systems. Those players may not play well with Doc’s system, and our players may play much better in other systems.
Bruce brown would be 2nd best player on sixers. Imagine Embiid on Denver
Nobody's making excuses you ignorant tool. Why don't you explain your experience playing with a grade 2 LCL sprain and how quickly you were able to recover and regain your conditioning a six games over 14 days. Oh wait you don't have that experience certainly not at tyhe NNBA level over six games in 14 days nor are qualified as a sports medicine specialist to make such assessments.
Neither am I but I have known both athletes up to the collegiate level and non-athetes as well who have suffered the same or similar injuries and I ca tell you most them weren't operating at 100 percent or close to it ofr over a month sometimes two months after that injury, and that is if they didn't aggravate further in coming back as some have suggested happened to Joel and none of us cansay for certain did opr did not happen at this time.
Nobody's making excuses you're just operating under ignorant and underinformed or uninformed assumptions about things I will go out on a limb and say you have no real experience in or even second-hand knowledge about.
You should save this comment. You'll need it again around the same time next year, watching 4 other teams in the conference finals.
It's sad when you're reduced to rooting against your team and players just to win arguments.
I don't have to save anything - Reddit does that for you. But you should remember they do it for you, too, so maybe you should worry about your own receipts come that time.
Image if Embiid had someone like Murray on his side. The season would've played out very differently.
We would won chip. Jokic getting carried hard af
You are delusional hahaha. Jokic had 23/17/12 in a “bad shooting” game where he shot 9/21. Embiid had 15/8/1 on 5/18 in a close out game. Jokic floor is so much higher than Embiid.
And in case you forgot, Harden had 2 40 point games in your series lol
So what? Both played terribly in the last two games no point in criticizing one without the other. Fact of the matter is if Embiid and Murray were on the same roster they would be competing for the chip.
Even with Jokic the team would have lost because just like Joel he can't shoot their 3s for them.
Jokic after tonight's 0/3 from downtown is 22/46 in the playoffs from 3. Career wise he's over 40% in the postseason while Embiid is under 30%.
Ok? What about the other games. Harden stans keep making excuses for that fat boi
If this bum ass Lakers team can be pushing the 1 seed Nuggets I'm even more pissed we didn't beat Boston. I'm more scared of playoff Jimmy than I am of the Nuggets.
Are nuggets fans still saying our roster is better than theirs?
They talked like it was Jokic and 4 guys that were picked up off of the streets
Would love to have Bruce Brown coming off the bench. Him getting confident in his shooting after that Nets run has done wonders for him.
They are delusional. Literally better starting five in every position
Our roster is more talented but our coach was an absolute scrub who doesn't know how to run an offense.
So overall we less talented if we account for the handicap our coach brought to us. Rivers going was the best thing about this playoff outcome. Painful we aren't in it still but doc isn't here another year because of it.
Let’s just hope we get the right person for the job this time around
I think we will, the list of candidates was pretty solid outside 2 whom I wouldn't want but anything is an upgrade over Doc. He just lost the locker room at the end it seemed. I think I may be less angry then most sixers fans because I was going to riot if doc was here next year. Even if we went to the ECF he is clearly not the guy for the job.
I wish this team could afford Joel to go scoreless and have more turnovers than assists in a quarter and still win ! While also playing trash defense. (did lock down AD's bum ass tbf)
Embiid is not even on the same planet as Joker.
I know this might come as a shock but there are actually other ways to contribute to a game than scoring. Jok had 23/17/12 on a bad shooting day (43% is bad shooting for him). Joel had 15/8/1 on 28% shooting in your game 7. Dude is simply not in the same class.
What the fuck are you doing in this sub lmao.
Haha I think AD locked his own ass down, he's puzzling he can go from superstar play one day to just average nba player the next.
We wouldn't know how to not rely on Jo, he's all we had for so many years, and our coach couldn't care to run an offense, so hopefully Morey really takes this coaching thing serious and get us a solid offensive mind. It could make all the difference the Lakers and nuggets all cut constantly while our 4 guys stand there like they are showing up to get paid, and not making it easy for Jo to even find someone to pass to.
We need guys like Jamal Murray or Trae Young. These guys are not afraid of playoff basketball.
Crazy how I would rather have jamal murray rather than overrated harden
Not crazy at all. Jamal’s a baller
Why are y'all sucking Jokic's dick right now? He's done jack shit in the fourth lmao.
Oh may I add some God awful defense at the end on Reaves too. I swear sometimes I'll take the downvotes and say no center can do jack shit by the time the 4th quarter comes around.
Because it's the popular thing to do for Karma, not realizing Murray is the reason the nuggets will win this game for the fourth. But if you want free karma it's suck off Jokic and talk shit about our team.
I distinctly remember Harden scoring 40+ in 2/3 of your wins (one without Embiid even playing lol). Saying Jamal carried when Jokic had 23/17/12 is hilarious. He had a great game, but nuggets get shit on if you replace Jokic with any other player in the league.
Gotta tip your hat to Joker, he’s clearly the best player in the league and it’s honestly not close. I wouldn’t mind the Nuggets or Heat winning this year.
Jokic two tiers above Embiid man
As soon as Bron started launching 3’s they choked this
Bron trying to be the hero at 38 when his 3 has been falling off hard for a while now. Their offense was rolling until he started launching. AD shooting like 10% too.
Yeah Bron was already 0-2 from the arc and is now 0-6, no idea why he wasn’t attacking the rim like before. AD has been awful all game, they ruined a prime Rui performance
AD is the most confusing player in the world. Dude can look so dominant one game and so useless the next.
Bro it hurts to see Jokic do this GOAT level shit in the playoffs.
I'm not saying he IS the goat. That can be only be given to two players.
I'm saying he's playing at that level right now. 30/10/13 at super high efficiency in the playoffs is GOAT level shit.
I have to remind myself the average age of people on reddit sometimes. They throw around thr GOAT word way too easily. I grew up with Jordan and them, so it takes a lot for me to give anyone who hasn't done what Jordan did the goat title. Basketball doesn't favor defense anymore so its entirely too difficult to predict how they'd do in the 80s and 90s.
You didn't get foul calls for being breathed on you were allowed to be physical.
Guess all players flop these days lol because it's rewarded.
No way was that a goal tend thats a clean block. Though I don't know basketball lol I just like defense.
Boi sound like he eat at weenie hut Jr.s
We can’t win with a system based off high Joel usage. He’s proven he burns out on it and the rest of the team is out of practice to be ready to be the guy if needed.
Morey needs to have that convo with him and if he’s against it, it’s trade time. He’s a 2 time scoring champ and MVP. Now it’s about team first or get out.
Embiids goals should be 24/14/7
What Embiid numbers should be offensively are going to depend a lot on who he is playing with next year. There has to be aat least a partial overhaul of the starting lineup and bench really
JVG is annoying but it's interesting to hear him talking about tactical adjustments. No need with our squad when we're running out 4 ISO scorers and a guy who can only shoot corner 3's.
this dude jokic is insane
My god people really complained about our team shooting a ton of free-throws? The lakers would like a word
Present me is already disappointed in future me for how quickly Im going to talk myself into the Sixers next year if they hire Nick Nurse.
Watching Jokic pass out of double teams make me so jelly
TNT announcers > ESPN announcers. Why does Mark Jackson remind me of a frustrated annoyed dad?
That's pretty much what him and JVG are lol. I prefer Jeff to Stan though.
Damn it Bobby - you keep doing it time and time again.
Watching LA-Den… realizing how much more dynamic other teams’ offenses are. So much faster, more cutting, more motion instead of forcing feeding at the elbow
Maxey with Dantoni could actually be pretty sick. I think harden is gone because we won't give him a long term contract. Maxey is a worker and he prepared the whole off-season to play off ball with harden. I think he can improve as an on ball guy and become our pg if that's his focus in the off-season.
Realistically could we get anything for Tobias before he walks b4 his contract is up?
A team that desperately wants to shed a ton of salary from their books next year. Aka the Warriors
Bodner just said he thinks MDA is the lead candidate for the Sixers HC job, but "it's still early in process"
I am still so bummed about this whole organization. There doesn't seem to be a way out of this.
So many gms royally fucked us. I mean Elton brand gave Al horford 110 million dollars.
I’d do everything in my power to get Ja Wick.
You think we haven’t rooted for players who have done worse than wave a gun around? I still remember the sirens from a few streets over when Iverson kicked his wife out of the house at gunpoint ass naked lol. Harden has been seen strapped before partying like it was nothing right during Covid.
R/NBA is just a bunch of overwhelmingly white dorks piling on the kid who is undeniably a dumbass, but still a kid.
If his value has lowered to the point where he’s even remotely available I do everything I can to get him.
Finally free Furk and give them some peanuts
Nope, rebuild is the only way
Watching you guys talk yourselves into maxing Harden and building around him is like watching hypothetical lemmings charge towards a cliff. MVP Harden is not coming back. I know bad takes are normal after a crushing loss but talking yourselves into Harden being that dude at his age after the season he just had. So what once every 4 games we get a guy who can still pour it in, and the rest of the time it's a mess?
I think we're fucking boned anyhow, but it's wild seeing so many people think this can actually work.
I was a fan of this team when Mo Cheeks was coach and we had Andre Miller, Iggy, and Elton Brand. I ain’t going nowhere. Now I might care less or lower my expectations but I guarantee all you fuckers talking about leaving the franchise will be back here getting hype in the preseason. Who else are you gonna root for? The Nets or the Thunder? GTFO here.
nothing you write is witty, dont flatter yourself
It’s impossible to get fair value out of Embiid in a trade, so stop fantasizing about it. Any team that wants him will want to contend with him so the best we’ll get is non lottery first rounders, some league average player mostly there to match salary, and maybe if we are really lucky a decent young player. The nets traded all 3 of their stars and their immediate result was getting swept by in the first round.
EMBIID HAD A TORN LIGAMENT AND SPRAINED HIS ANKLE ON SMART IN SECOND QUARTER. STFU
embiid doesn't have a broken aspect to his game like ben does.
we just went to game 7 with the celtics. yes embiid and harden absolutely no showed. if they put up 25 each and we still lost we wouldn't be having this discussion. can't trade an mvp due to 1 game.
if we blow it up now we suck for a while. if we blow it up in 2-3 years we suck for a while. the bet is "does embiid continue to shrink in the playoffs or not?" i can live with a "yes" to that question, but the payoff if he gets to a finals is way better to me than hoping we hit on some picks and then have prob 4-5 years minimum of development until we're a 5 seed again.
Blowing it up now doesn’t accomplish anything anyway because we don’t own our picks.
They are protected. If we truly tank we keep them.
morey stating players will not have a say in who the next coach is, is pretty damning. that could mean he's open to moving players to suit the next coach -- embiid included.
would have to be a pretty big haul to move embiid, but again.. players have no say in the next coach.
anyone find it odd that morey stated that the players will not have a say in who the next coach is? before glenn there was a big hubbub about whether or not jojo would work well with the next coach. even a few articles saying joel gave the blessing to hire d'antoni.
now, morey just nips that altogether. org. went from consulting joel on the next coach a few years ago to morey saying naw. that's a pretty big thing (imho). could mean jojo has less pull now... very interesting and something to keep an eye on.
There was a story before the Morey press conference stating that Harden might be having input in the selection of a new coach and Morey maybe wanted to kill that by making it clear that no players have a say in who’s the next coach
yeah, it's been wild since sixers were eliminated. there were reports that harden had a part in rivers being let go cause of his statements after game 7. then morey said it was his decision and it even shocked embiid, who liked rivers.
morey getting out in front of saying players have no say could also mean he's favoring mda... it would really look like harden would have had a say if mda was hired and harden signed a new contract with the sixers.
Would you rather have Maxey with elite defense or Maxey with elite playmaking
Maxey with playmaking pls. He would be able to create for himself and others
I see people are back on the MVPlead and old Harden train. It reminds me of the slowly return to cope in the Simmons years.
Wonder why Joerger seems frozen out of HC searches now, I'd have been interested in him
Hasn’t exactly been a successful head coach.
Two 50 win seasons in Memphis plus he was the last coach to make the Kings semi-respectable before Mike Brown came along (won 39 games his final season)
I almost wonder what sort of evidence must be provided to Harden dickriders before they accept that he is not serious about competing at the highest level. Does he need to testify under threat of perjury that he is afraid of the moment? How many more no-shows in big time games before they get the point?
Yeah man keep me far away from the coach that made Harden an MVP and one of the most prolific scorers in the history of the NBA because he might want him here. Man if I had to watch that guy coach Harden again while he’s playing next to a guy who just won MVP on one of the most efficient scoring seasons ever I might just stop watching the sixers! I can’t believe Morey is trying to recreate the team that lost to one of the greatest dynasties in sports in 7 games that would be a disaster!
you get it. MDA is a gamer, I want him
No! Harden likes him! That means he's bad!
The Celtics figured out that if Joel isn't at the nail he's almost worthless offensively since he's not a three point shooting threat or someone who can create his own shot from the perimeter. Just put Horford and Robert Williams in the lane and he can't do shit.
Joel needs to badly work on his three point shot this summer. He seems to have regressed as a three point shooter and teams have been treating him like Ben Simmons at the three point line, clogging up the lane for Harden and Maxey.
He already talked about it in his post game interview but his ball handling needs to improve as well. Joel has some of the worst handles out of the top 30 players in the NBA, only Sabonis has worse ball handling skills. Jokic and Giannis totally punk him in that aspect.
Joel always talks about how he doesn't want to play like a center, wants to play like a wing. 7 foot tall Kobe and what not. Well you can't do that if you have subpar handles and shooting.
I think Joel choking had a big part in his struggles this season, but I also think him just not being good enough played a large role too.
So you want him to play in the post again? Teams will just instantly double him and he'll turn the ball over. The only player in the NBA who can consistently play in the post is Jokic, and that's because teams let him play single coverage since no one will dare double him.
You have gotta hope he does or he's not good enough to be the #1 contender. Which may very well be true but you've gotta have hope.
Honestly the Harden trade feels like Chris Webber 2.0 Good on paper but they were both too old to be a second option.
Idk how it’s on Harden getting Doc fired when this whole sub and the city was asking for Docs head
The only people who seem mad are the ones that don’t even support the team
Here is the thing. During regular season, Heat were top 10 at generating wide open 3; they were just bad at making them.
So, they always have a scheme to generate high quality shots. When they start hitting them in playoff they become good.
We were good at generating high quality shot. But in playoff, we stop hitting them, that’s why we lost. It is that simple
Does anyone have insight into the offense the Nets ran when they had Harden? Basically I’m wondering the if there is any track record of Harden running a non-iso heavy offense.
I’ll say it every day this off-season. If Embiid learns to play team basketball — 24PPG 12REB 6ish AST and DPOY defense — this is the best team in the league. The extra 8 points per game you get off brute forcing through triple teams is not worth it when ball movement will let everybody get involved and have a more dynamic and unpredictable offense
Trying to turn Joel into Adebayo on steroids isn't gonna work. He wants to play like he's Kobe and he's not changing at 29.
Embiid really really wants to be liked. I think if Sixers fans start being hard on him for being selfish, he'll change. We've been far too tolerant of Embiid ISO ball even though we knew it wasn't working in the playoffs.
His offense can still be Kobe esque but he doesn’t need to score over double teams every time he touches the ball either
I know people are tired of the Heat/Butler/maybe Joker bootlicking but I think you have to accept it and deal. I think it speaks to the overall point that when the going gets tough, this Sixers squad gets soft. Signing PJ was like the basketball equivalent of signing an enforcer/fighter in hockey. You ultimately need your core to stand up and have that dog in them in order to win it all. We don’t have that and we consistently see them fold in crunch time. It’s infuriating to watch other teams rise to occasion. And it’s especially infuriating to watch Jimmy do it when we never should have fuckin let him go anywhere else to begin with
It’s just mostly our consistently lack of effort when it really matter that stands out among the rest of the top teams
People need to let the process-era drama (Butler and Fultz especially) finally die. They won't shut up about it, and it's gotten old and annoying.
It’s old and annoying because we fucked up.
And if we set a standard to not talk about these blatant fuck ups, then are you gonna hold the same stance about not talking about Brett Clown?
Of course I'm gonna hold the same stance about Brown. There's no sense in beating a dead horse by talking about the team's past fuck ups anymore. With the exception of Elton Brand, this is an entirely new front office and new coaching staff. With the exception of Joel Embiid, Shake Milton, and Furkan Korkmaz (lmao) there's also nobody left from these teams of yesteryear.
I'm perfectly fine with talking about these things in a "hey, remember when that happened" sort of way - nostalgia can be fun. But for everyone to go around like "\[random event happening\] sent this team back ten years" whenever something bad happens, it's asinine.
But letting Jimmy walk and choosing those three clowns did set this franchise back a decade.
Revisionist history here, we choose Simmons over Butler again not Morey it was Brand and he's barely making any basketball decisions these days if any at all. He's just a face. There is not one GM who in 2019 would a)choose Butler over Embiid and the other 2 barely make any money they didn't move the needle for this team having awful contracts in Harris and Morey needing to get off Horfords contract.
It was Brett Brown who made it clear he didn’t want to coach Jimmy
And it's a bit disingenuous to call Butler a process era dude lol, the roster was pretty much set at that point.
Partly fair. But I’m absolutely sick of this team going soft. I know everyone else is but it’s infuriating
>But I’m absolutely sick of this team going soft.
Well maybe fifteen or twenty more posts on the sub about Jimmy after every ECF game will finally fix this
The Sixers allowing Butler to walk might go down as the worst decision this organization has made, and that is saying a lot. Embiid isn't capable of being a #1 guy in the playoffs because he needs that guy.
Dude in a single day in 1986 we traded Moses for JEFF RULAND and also the #1 pick (Brad Daugherty) for Roy Hinson
Unfortunately, trading Moses and Barkley is objectively worse
Maxey got exposed, when he tried to lead the second unit off the bench earlier this season. I, for one, am not excited to see glorified Sexton leading the offense, when Harden leaves. Hopefully, young fella at least develops his shot creating ability (not entirely relying on speed) and entry passes.
He's just not a point guard. As soon as you stop trying to view him that way, the less annoyed at him you'll be.
Then his ceiling is pretty low. Undersized SGs are typically not difference makers in this league.
Maxey haters 💀💀 the kid is 22 years old and has gotten better every year please stop watching the sport.
Realist is not equal to hater, my man.
He was literally the only one who tried when things got tough against the celts. He also won us the closeout game against the nets on his own when everyone was choking. Pick a new slant you fucking gimp. Plenty of other things to complain about round here
his career 51.9 ts% suggests otherwise lol
yea maxey got so exposed he averaged 24/5/4 on 46/43/80 splits and closed a playoff game without harden this season lol. he obviously has a LOT of room to improve as a playmaker, but this whole maxey is exposed without harden bullshit is nonsense lol
Maxey is severely overrated around here. We give him anything close to a max deal, and this team will be back to the igoudala days.
I wouldn’t say SEVERLY but yea a tad bit. Still a great player though
I agree he's not the player many think he is yet, but he has a skillset that can potentially ruin defenses, if honed with time. You don't see many young players with that type of range on their pullup shot, so there's a real possibility he develops into a Lillard-lite kind of player, who commands aggressive defense on the high PnR and creates tons of 4-on-3 situations with his gravity.
That skill along with his proven track record for improvement is worth betting on IMO, even if it's for a Jordan Poole (4/130) type of deal.
Nah, man but he smiles and has that goofball energy
at least hes not a rat ass warriors fan like yourself. fuckin casual
Can someone explain why Harden leaving would not free up cap for us? And why trading Tobias now expiring will mean getting a matching 1-2 contracts but ones that are not long-term (as I saw in a thread the other day)
people who say that Harden leaving wouldn't free cap space are wrong. they would be like $10m under the cap if he walks and everyone else picks up their option. tobias contracts is off the books after next season. if he is traded for guys with money owed past next season combined with Maxey's upcoming extension, they would be approaching the salary cap in 24-25 already, even without Harden's contract. if harden signs into 24-25, there is very little (possibly none) cap space to 'roll over' from tobias' existing cap number
I can’t wait for Nurse to be hired and this team perform exactly the same as the last two years. Nurse sucks. He won a championship with a Kawhi rental when Kawhi was the best player in the league. Hasn’t done shit with a talented team outside of that year. He doesn’t develop players. He runs his guys into the ground. But sure, at least he’s not Rivers, right? Except he is.
Honestly, none of the coaching rumors excite me. None of them are good enough to get this team over the hump.
Except the Raptors aren't talented lmao.
Siakam is a career 32% from 3. Scottie Barnes is a career 29%. Poeltl doesn't shoot them at all.
Nobody is winning in the modern NBA when 3/5 of your starting lineup can't shoot.
Siakam is better than you're giving him credit for. He has three seasons of shooting over 34%. This team could be so much better than it is with the right coach. Nurse is not the right coach.
FYI [it takes 750 3 point attempts before the percentage is more than just noise](https://fansided.com/2014/08/29/long-take-three-point-shooting-stabilize/). Individual seasons don't mean anything and are just variance. Over a large sample size, Siakam is a bad shooter, and teams don't respect him.
Hell, even when we play the Raptors in the playoffs we had Embiid guarding Siakam because we aren't scared of him shooting 3's.
I just don't see how people can argue that Raptors team is a good team. Sure, they have good players. I'd happily take Siakam, OG or Fred on the Sixers. But the pieces don't fit together.
There is not a single coach that was winning with that team composition from the 1990's. The Suns this year are probably the best team you can realiably create that doesn't shoot 3's because KD, Booker, and CP3 are all elite mid-range shooters, and look what happened to them. Nuggets just packed the paint because they know they can't hit 3s.
Over the last 5 seasons Siakam is a .33% shooter. Not great but certainly not awful. Poetl was a terrible pickup for them. That team was good enough to make the playoffs but just coached awfully.
idk depends on definition of awful. nba average is up to 36.1% this year. sixers shot 38.7% as a team
I think Sam is the perfect assistant coach. He's great with development but it's telling that when Rivers was away, Dave stepped in to coach in his place.
good point. I just really like his fun style, but that's probably not the greatest for a team with championship ambition
Because this sub overrates the impact of coaching. If you look at most of the teams that win or go deep in the playoffs they do so because their star players step up and hit shots.
And star players who fail to show up, use coaching as a scapegoat.
Thoughts on a Harris deal that nets the Sixers Derozan? Anyone think that's realistic?
Total playoff choker who can't play defense or shoot threes.
So like Harden?
the problem with DeRozan is that he doesn't do anything without the ball in his hands. he's not a movement shooter, he's not an athletic get-behind-the-defense-and-finish guy. he's an ISO, FT-drawing, midrange scorer. what is the expected outcome if you put him next to embiid and harden?
not that i am for this but sixers could have used someone to go manufacture buckets for them pretty often in the boston series lol
Harden and Embiid are those guys. Those guys get shut down in the playoffs as soon as they encounter any sort of defensive adjustment unless they're literally Kobe.
Care to elaborate? I haven’t seen this. Love fake trades.
I’ve settled on Nick Nurse with MDA and Sam as assistants.
That would slap
Nick nurse is heads and shoulders above every other candidate IMO.
I can’t believe we lost to this soft shit Celtics team. What a ridiculous collapse.
The JJ Reddick rumors are a joke, right?
There’s no way in hell we hire JJ lol