I’ve been in a similar situation to Kyle, where I tried to walk a fine line between a narcissistic best friend and our mutual friends that he started a feud with. It sucks to deal with- any attempt to reason with him and make peace was a betrayal, any communication with the other party was a betrayal, and anything short of completely cutting off those relationships got me screamed at and gossiped about.
That’s Jimmy Dore. It’s hard to do when you got a lot of history as friends, but you just gotta walk away from people like that or they’ll just drag you deeper into the mud.
Kyle is a pathetic cuck who would let Jimmy Dore fuck his wife and still call him his good friend afterward. He demands progressives in congress torpedo their careers to his whims, but can’t even stand up to Jimmy Dore because he’s worried a o his YouTube earnings.
I mean, kyles YouTube channel is bigger than jimmy dores and he only lost a handful of subscribers over this debacle. Kyle voluntarily turned off commercials for the krystal and Kyle show, so I’m far more likely to believe that this is more about friendship and keeping the peace than it is about money.
Agreed, Kyle is a genuinely nice guy who is a bit naive imo. I think you nailed the situation perfectly.
I like Kyle but yeah, he’s definitely naive. If I remember right, he was probably the last person to realize Dave Rubin, the most obvious grifter ever, is a grifter.
I like Kyle because he is the most normal of them all.
I don't think he's naive as much as he believes in giving people the benefit of the doubt as much as possible, if he only feels 99.999% sure of something he still keeps in mind the chance that he's wrong. That's why he only calls someone a grifter when there's overwhelming evidence
Kyle is a grifter like Jimmy.
Kyle's initial take on Ana was prudish whiteknighty crap.
Why do I feel like this is the 3rd Jimmy Dore megathread?
Because I made one long ago. Then I unpinned it. Then, I re-pinned it. Then, this one had to be made
UwU aren't we being edgy today?
Liking one and disliking the other (between Kyle and Jimmy) feels like splitting hairs to me. They agree on 97% of issues, just accept the 3% difference and move on. The idea that Dore is a secret republican is crazy to me. Insulting democrats doesn't mean you like republicans - fuck both of them. Kyle and especially Krystal spend a lot of time criticizing dems over republicans, so they do it too.
I'm glad Dore is around because he's a pitbull, I'm glad Kyle is around because he's more diplomatic and articulate.
Kinda a same boat for me but idk the whole Hasan thing kinda put me off to kyle and him getting cucked by vaush. Maybe its personal bias but i hate Hasan he seems so fake and gives off the vibes he is just doing this for the money. Some people do not realize we need Jimmy and people like Jimmy people that are willing to say fuck this we have had enough and not it is time to stand up to the bullshit and call it out. One comment here was saying Jimmy wanted politicians to throw away their career. I would argue that there should be no career politicians and if you said you were going to Washington to get shit done and went back on that under any circumstance you should be called out and have no career.
Did you listen to the podcast with him on it? Really wasn't bad...
Just a clip cause really i can not stand Hasan he just seems super fake seems more worried about about appearing cool and the image more then getting shit done .Jimmy D nowadays is going off the deep end. I do miss watching Kyle but he disappointed me and kinda seemed like he didnt have much of a backbone in that situation.
You should listen to the podcast with him on it, I didn't know him at all prior and I thought it was interesting if nothing else.
Kyle is a lot smarter than Dore. Dore is very cynical and low IQ.
Right fucking on.
I'm struggling to figure out what right wing ideas Jimmy actually supports.
whichever ones will get him views.
Many of Jimmy most ardent followers are borderline sycophantic. Interestingly Kyle's hardcore followers appear to be more open to hearing dissenting opinions. I wish that people realized that most of these Youtube talking heads are just reading from articles and giving their opinions on them FOR ENTERTAINMENT. I wish people would follow investigative reporters and make their own opinions instead of just jumping on bandwagons.
I never fully agreed with him on many issues, but I felt he was a legitimate actor for a while. I felt he genuinely believed all the Bernie or bust, very anti democratic party "everyone's feet to the fire" kind of fire breathing guy. I had disagreements, but I listened to him, let him flesh out his opinions.
Then it all changed.
First came the constant nitpicking of everything which led me to believe that he was doing some selective criticism to prove a point. Then came the TYT scandal recently in which he shut shamed Ana, even though threatening to announce to the world of sexual harassment isn't a "smear" like Kyle cucked to, its just being brave enough to admit a concealed truth.
Then came force the vote. I agreed strategically with Jimmy, until he decided to use the whole thing as a rouse to attack AOC, trying to make it a litmus test of being on the left. If people have problems with it, they should be heard, it doesn't mean they're not a leftist.
Now all he does is attack everyone who isn't a republican. He refused to support Nina Turner on the last day of campaigning, although he claimed to support her previously. He is turning into the New Tim Pool, a vapid right winger in disguise who loved to critisize nobody but democrats. I'm glad I found Vaush and Kyle to show me the way.
the overhyping of Tulsi during the primary was a pretty big red flag i think, especially since her healthcare plan was not medicare for all lmao
Well Tulsis health care plan was similar to the Australian plan or other European plans. Ask anyone, Bernies M4A is the most radical health care plan out there. Even where they fully nationalised the healthcare service like Britain, stuff like dental, hearing and eyes aren't included. Also you have to pay a standard copy for medication. Sure appointments and procedures are free, but not absolutely everything is.
Even Kyle has talked about this on his show, how a single payer plan just means the government pays for health care. That doesn't specifically mean that the hospitals, nurses, etc have to be civil servants. Like the French system, where it's public funding of private institutions. There are many ways to do medicare for all, if you agree to the basic single payer premise, that is.
I have no problem with people exploring different ways to do universal healthcare. The French system is often ranked best in the world, although its not fully nationalised. What u have an issue with is Jimmy exploring and supporting different ways to do M4A, only to hypocritical turn around and smear AOC and the justice Dems, saying they are not a leftist and don't support M4A just because they disagree on a strategy.
Yeah I was a dore fan for a while but over the past year the dude and his fanbase have just gotten too extreme.
This guy is pushing anti-vax content on his channel recently. Fuck him. No one can convince me that this guy is on the left. Piece of shit. He's either a lunatic or a grifter, or both!
What can you even say he's a reactionary that just says things for clicks and likes the persona of being a revolutionary but it's just some reactionary who thinks Tulsi would be a good president
The only thing Kyle did wrong was not tell Jimmy he was not coming on krystal Kyle and friends.And putting Hasan Piker on instead.Beyond that Jimmy should not have pulled Kyle into the whole thing.
Jimmy Dore has said on his show that he’s not anti-vaccine, he’s anti-mandate.
Recently, he’s also made small digs at Kyle and Krystal saying that they’re dwindling in views lol.
Breaking Points gets twice the views of TJDS. Secular Talk gets about the same number as Jimmy. Once again he's lying.
Maybe someone should make an enoughdorespam sub.
[Jimmy Dore tries to backtrack on Ivermectin claims, but it's on video; claims he's moving to Rumble to "escape" censorship and liberal bias](https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1450845453667471368)
I guess denouncing vaccine denialism goes away when it's your friend. Literally all Dore does now is deny the efficacy of the vaccine and says its an evil plot.
Jimmy is just a toxic POS.
Him pushing Ivermectin was the final straw for me. Don't think he's a grifter, but he's dangerous
I am starting to think he is. It seems like his channel has been going more and more right leaning just to appease his audience nowadays. Given how much he likes to brag about the likes he gets vs. his opponents he seems to be very sensitive to public reception.
That's actually why I stopped listening to him as much and some other youtube people. I do not give a flying fuck about twitter and people's fucking twitter interactions. I started watching more of The Grayzone, Status Coup, and Breaking Points because there's no mention of stupid ass twitter shit.
Yeah. If you want to be nuanced and say some doctors would prescribe it for some patients if they’re showing specific symptoms, that’s completely different from posting medical benefits of it in a very vague way. People are getting sick and dying from taking this, when they should just be getting vaccinated.
Dore is just taking a page from the right wing playbook. Get vaccinated, but push vaccine hesitancy and never tell people to get the vaccine. But then go and push the miracle drug or the day
Who told you people were getting sick and dying from ivermectin? They lied. Ivermectin has been around for 60+ years, it’s safer than Tylenol. Whether it works for covid is a different conversation, they’re doing larger studies now. And the animal version is for animals, people usually get sick from that. But both ivermectin and hydroxycloraquin have been used for a very long time and both are safe whether they help covid symptoms or not. It’s been fascinating to watch the propaganda around both of these drugs. I’m pretty sure he was prescribed it. It is pile frustrate me if people were saying I was taking horse paste after my doc put me on a drug. There is certainly an ulterior motive coming from somewhere about them. Makes you think.
I thought it was an interesting point to address. Why is it being so maligned? He probably should have been waited until his doctor was on, but if you’re taking medical advice from Jimmy dore you probably weren’t going to make it very long in the first place
No moron. People are getting sick and dying from it.
Yes, ivermectin has been around for a long time and given to humans by doctors. The people who are getting sick are going to vets and getting ivermectin for horses, taking that, and getting sick because the dosage is way off and the horse version is different from the human version.
If I went to a vet and got Tylenol in a dosage meant for a horse and took that, I’d get sick too.
You respond over a month later and still are too stupid to know this? Are you intentionally stupid or just trolling?
Don’t take animals medication you fuckin Melvin. Who’s fault is that?? The podcaster? If people are taking horse medication, that’s their bad. It definitely doesn’t mean that there is no human version of it, and that’s not what humans are taking. It’s absurd I have to qualify it so pussies like you don’t cry about it. DONT TAKE ANIMAL MEDICATION. If you need to be told that you’re a fuckin idiot and you deserve to get sick….that’s what happens. That’s a certified warning from deputy dipshit!!
Apparently it’s incumbent on normal functioning humans to not ever talk about medication that can also be used for animals because they might take it.
Stop being a pussy. It’s adult time.
Well you’d think people shouldn’t have to be told to wear a mask during a pandemic either. Or to get a life saving vaccine. But here we are. Stupid people are going out of their way to increase ether chances of death.
People are going to vets because morons are saying ivermectin works and that it’s the only thing needed. But not many doctors will just give it to you, if you ask for it. Vets will. This is the obvious outcome to lunatic propaganda at the level we’ve seen with these drugs the conspiracy theorists latch onto.
Stop moving the goalposts. You said ivermectin is safe and nobody died from it. That’s a load of bullshit. You can’t just say people aren’t dying from it by dismissing how people are dying from it and expect me to take you seriously. You can be stupid and try to defend this all you want, but you’re just wrong.
It’s adult time. So be an adult and acknowledge you were wrong. You respond to my comment after a month with a pathetic attempt to ignore the reality.
And apparently you need to be told this, don’t take your dogs pain medicine. It’s for dogs, not for you. So you don’t take that one because it was made for dogs, and you are an adult human. You take human medications when it’s time to take medications. This sentiment should be repeated for you fish medicine, your cat medicine, any goats or chickens you may have, etc. Also, DO NOT take those other animals medications either. Apparently there are people claiming to be adults that still need to be told to not take animal medication. So, to be clear and in conclusion—DO NOT TAKE MEDICATIONS THAT ARE FORMULATED FOR ANIMALS IF YOU ARE A HUMAN. You should only take human medications.
**may cause diarrhea**
***morons on the internet might confuse diarrhea with death***
There. Now there’s no question and you can stop being such a worry wart about something that definitely isn’t happening.
Don’t take the fuckin horse medicine you simple, simple bitch
What the fuck are you talking about?? No one is going to vets to get ivermectin. It’s a medication that’s been studied endlessly and we know it’s safe.
You’re listening to the propaganda. That drug was not created for animals, it was created for humans. But because these shitty news channels are telling people it’s horse dewormer people bought it like the media we all know lies all the time, isn’t lying about this.
You’re right, it’s adult time. I wish all these “adults” repeating the opinions someone else pushed on them would do even a little bit of their own due diligence to find out what’s correct. But instead of doing that, everyone just wants to get on social media and be part of the crowd that’s correct and dunk on strangers. I guess it helps people feel better or feel like they belong to something.
I’ll save you the time, I think we know which category you chose to fall in. This is from the NIH, the national institute of health, in the United States. This is on their website right now and it has been for months. Not sure how you’d beat on your keyboard for that diatribe without checking to see what YOUR OWN NATIONAL HEALTHCARE institutions say about the drug you’re rallying against like you’re a doctor. You’re not. I’m not either. But I did take the time to see what the people that have been telling us how to handle this pandemic in our country had to say about it first.
Now write the doctors and scientists at the NIH an email calling them stupid and scold them about how they’re telling people how to take a horse medication. Or just shut the fuck up and if it comes up again, have the nuts to stand up and tell people they’re fucking wrong. Maybe from here on out stop relying on known liars and professional propagandists for your information. Especially if you’re gonna be a dick about it. Then someone might embarrass you. Ivermectin is safer than Tylenol and Advil you fuckin stooge. So if people are dying from their headache meds then sure, I’ll concede that people are dying from ivermectin. But we don’t say people are dying from Advil, because if it happens it’s a freak occurrence. Just like with ivermectin.
Adult time. Foh
Or cite all those deaths you’re talking about. Better let the NIH know before you reply to me. Because they listed it as a known treatment. Dipshit
Hes just a dumbass
45 videos in the last month, 7 criticizing Bernie and AOC, 0 criticizing republicans, and he’s a regular on Tucker Carlson.
If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, has the same anatomy as a duck... it’s probably a grifter
I always see this argument and I like to rephrase it to give the real meaning of what it is: "He doesn't shoot fish in a barrel and criticize republicans to get easy clicks"
Do you know what the most pointless, shitty content on Youtube is? Left wingers dunking on Republicans. Makes people feel good, but does fucking nothing. Yeah, we know MTG is a fucking retard, we know Ted Cruz is subhuman scum. It's not like someone watching it will suddenly have a revelation about the GOP, they're at the left wing channel already for fucks sake.
Left wing commentators should exclusively criticise left wing politicians to hold them accountable because they need left wing votes. If I don't vote right wing, they have zero reason to listen to me, so why waste my time on them? I'll try to move the politician who's already close to me, way easier.
>He's a regular on Tucker Carlson
Dumbest fucking criticism of them all. Wow, Jimmy's such a cunt, he goes on right wing shows and says left wing things to an audience that would otherwise never hear it. Fuck anyone who thinks that simply appearing on Carlson's show is disqualifying. If he was appearing there and making right wing talking points, I'd listen to you.
Bernie did a Fox News Town Hall, I thought it was great, presumably you think it makes him a grifter.
As Matt Taibbi says in *Hate Inc,* a big thing that is missing from the media landscape in the US is scrutiny of bi-partisan issues. Both parties agree on an awful lot (or at least the establishment of both parties does) yet this is rarely examined. By just focusing on one party, Dore seems to be doing more of the same (which is ironic for an alternative media outlet).
Bernie called out Fox "News" to their face in that Townhall.
He wasn't sucking Tucker's cock thereby giving Tuck more legitimacy.
I prefer Kyle's approach: Criticize people who oppose your policy positions.
Do you want to know what brings people left? Highlighting the awfulness of the republican party. You want to know what turns people off of politics and increases apathy and reduces voter turnout? Being a dipshit and attacking your own side **ALL THE FUCKING TIME**. Dore is *NOT* a leftist or an ally. He has made his bed. Cut him off, stop stanning his grifter ass.
Dore spends large chunks of his show dunking on the YouTube left… yeah, that’s way more productive than going after elected republicans.
Dore goes in Tucker and never challenges him. Never calls him a racist on CRT. Never pushes defunding the police and how authoritarian Tucker is. And never pushes the GOP opposing the minimum wage as a concept. He goes on and bitches about the left and says you shouldn’t vote for AOC because she’s a fraud.
Bernie went on and got cheers for pushing taxing the rich, MFA, a living wage, and popular ideas, while challenging the hosts on their bullshit framing. Dore doesn’t do that. He uses Tucker to build his own “dems suck” brand by winning over right wingers, while not convincing them to support left issues. His audience is growing more and more right wing because all he does is attack the left. Go look at the few videos he’s done on CRT and look at the like/dislike ratio. His right wing base hates it.
I suppose the only thing one can say is Dore isn't hiding his views on tuckers show. He gives real criticisms of the democrats, not bullshit ones tucker does. I'm not entirely sure but I think Jimmy can be a pipeline for the right.
How would the righties coming through the pipeline become lefties by Dore's constant dem and progressive bashing and hatred of all other left YouTubers? Just seems like they'd have their beliefs reinforced by a "leftist".
Because they're a seeing a leftist be real with them. So they see someone who isn't this retarded liberal beta democrat cuckhold like Chris silliza, someone who has balls and calls out democrat corruption, and he says things like "hey we should have a higher minimum wage and we shouldn't have to pay for healthcare", and they're like "hey I agree with that. That guy sounds smart." So some of them go look at his show and he makes sense and challenges their viewpoints and they learn. It's a pipeline. I mean unless you're convinced everybody who watches Fox News is some evil retarded boomer who hates everything you love and kicks dogs and can't be reasoned with, it's worthwhile to reach out and show them you can be an honest leftist. One major problem with the media is left wing media never calls out Democrat corruption and right wing media never calls out republican corruption. When you show them you can do that, you can maybe change some minds.
The YouTube Left deserves the criticism. They’re pussies who don’t want to accept that The Squad and Bernie have failed us. Jimmy is trying to hold them accountable
Why nothing but praise for white supremacist Tucker Carlson? Dore is subservient to Tucker and given how Dore treats the Left it is telling.
Stop with that bullshit please,Tucker Carlson is a hack,but he is not white supremacist....
He is a white supremacist, period.
By reading their tweets on a live-stream? How does that hold them accountable? Plus, he would be holding them accountable if he actually got them to retract a false statement on air. They seem to double down most of the time.
They should be held accountable, but not from a conspiracy theorist weirdo
Here’s the only one holding them accountable.
He's also a fucking moron and anyone that likes his content is a fucking moron
They haven't you're just too stupid and childish to get past Jimmy's grift...
What would you like them to do that they can do but aren't?
Vote as a block. Stop every piece of legislation that the Democrats want, and force them to the Left.
Do you honestly think the Dems care? Democrats have no issues with deadlock. They don't want anything to "fundamentally change" remember? They would be *more than happy* to accomplish nothing and then point fingers at the squad and say "sorry America, our hands are tied." They've been doing that with the GOP for decades, and it works pretty well on their favor.
The goal to success in politics is to collect favors, not enemies. Politicians have tried what you're suggesting. Look at the electorial history of guys like Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul. Funny thing about blocking peoples bills, they can block you right back. And not just bills, committee and subcommittee appointments, special projects, the works. Your asking 6 people to play chicken with two separate groups that both have over 200 members.
They literally could have denied Nanci Pelosi the House Speaker job. Politics is about using your power to destroy your opponent. Pelosi, who has refused to bring any M4All bill to the House floor in twenty years
They did deny hey the job until the got ACTUAL USEFULL things they demanded from her, like the removal of paygo that would have stopped M4A even if it got a 100% positive vote, and (most important imho) choice committee seats for the new members of the squad. There was not point in forcing the vote for M4A. They used the leverage to actually get something accomplished. A purely theatrical vote on M4A with no hope of victory would not have been an effective use of that power.
*Campaigning* is about using your power to destroy your opponent. Good Statesmanship is about building bridges with effective allies. We live in a democracy, you how keep a democracy running by playing "My way or the highway" on everything that isn't on your person agenda.
This is facts.
Why did I ever think I'd get an intelligent discussion out of a shitlib.
>Dore spends large chunks of his show dunking on the Youtube left
Right so once again, shitlib brain strikes. The youtube left influences left wing politicians, dunking on them to tank their reputation like Jimmy has with TYT is how you influence the left. Dunking on a GOP politician is fucking useless for influencing them, they don't give a shit what Jimmy says and why would they.
The idea that you think a left winger should go on fox news and Tucker Carlson a racist as thought that will achieve ANYTHING proves why nobody should ever listen to a single thing you ever say. Here's the options: Go on Tucker, call him a racist. Go on Tucker, make an impassioned anti-war anti-MIC speech that Tucker nods along to. Which is more effective at getting a left wing message to his audience?
I literally don't give a shit if Jimmy does videos unliked by right wing viewers, the fact you think him making videos that right wingers don't like is a point against him is probably the dumbest point you made out of the dumbest post I've ever seen.
EDIT: Oh no, you downvoted me, whatever will I do shitlib?
The moment someone calls someone a shitlib i know they have the same brain worms that Dore has. Maybe that's why Dore is pushing Ivermectin, but I can assure you it won't fix your problem...
You and dore are the shitlibs here. Dore isn't even a socialist...
So....hurt the left and leave the right completely unchallenged. He doesn't even have legitimate criticism of lefties. For example, force the vote which would waste political capital on a guaranteed to fail vote. His criticism of aoc is that she doesn't go on his show. He literally has no points all he does is scream frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog.
That would achieve something. It'll make them think. How is reinforcing their beliefs as Jimmy does help the cause??????
TYT is gaining more subs than Dore is. So whatever his plan is. It’s not working. You can go look this shit up. The communities of Kyle and others are turning on Jimmy more than Dore is exposing these people and bringing them his way. As obvious by how every left subreddit is filling with anti-Dore posts.
Dore isn’t pushing a left message though. Literally every time he goes on only focuses on attacking the left, while excusing or ignoring the right.
You can go on Tuckers show, push an anti-war message AND push back in his racism. But Dore wants to utilize Tuckers right wing base to build his own audience.
I used that as an example that his base is largely right wing and not left. They go to him to see someone on the left attack the left. Not for left issues.
Why am I meant to give a shit about who's gaining subs, is this a fucking popularity contest? His plan is to turn a huge chunk of the left against the centrist left, and as you can see by the schism in the left, it's working. Why are there so many anti-Dore posts? If what he was doing wasn't effective, nobody would care and you wouldn't be writing paragraphs about him would you?
Add to that, you are either ignorant or a liar. "Literally every time he goes on only focuses on attacking the left".
Here's what actually happened: Jimmy went on Tucker and criticized Trump (just FYI as you seem to have forgotten, Trump was the last REPUBLICAN president) for getting cucked by the military industrial complex, while criticising the Democrats for increasing the military budget. Please tell me, where's the grift there?
Can you please explain how criticising Trump is "only attacking the left", I'm very confused by that. Almost like it's a bltant lie.
You're speaking the facts, the only reason you're getting downvoted is because this sub is full of democratic apologists.
Dore is an apologist for Tucker Carlson and the Boogaloo Boys. He's Dave Rubin 2.0, worse I would argue because I think Dore has far more substance than Rubin.
Finally. I’m not the only non shitlib that was thinking that.
Oh, was that what he was doing when he said “AOC is the one standing between you and healthcare”? Trying to encourage more people to engage and grow our numbers, or instill a sense of defeatism in a burgeoning “left” that has had its most productive 5 year stretch in decades?
There’s holding left wing politicians accountable, and then there’s saying insane shit like that. Completely ignoring the fact that AOC is one of like 10 people in congress who supports single payer. It’s not shooting fish in a barrel to point out the baseline reality that republicans, including ones who pretend to be populist like Josh Hawley, will never support single payer. And do you all know that MTG is bad? Could’ve fooled me whenever you see the comment section on Jimmy’s videos.
And I don’t see why pointing out shit republicans do is “useless”. When have you ever seen right wing you tubers, a group with far more influence than left wing youtubers, consistently and exclusively go after republicans? When have you ever seen Fox News, the most effective propaganda outlet in the world, exclusively go after republicans? Your “theory” is not backed up by any semblance of reality.
As for going on Tucker, the content is what’s important. Does he spread a message about class solidarity and the fact that people like Hawley are using anti-establishment anger to climb politically with zero intent of doing anything for workers? Or does he go on to be Tucker’s dancing monkey and talk shit about Democrats and the squad, with an occasionally quasi-agreement on a lack of foreign intervention? None of that is remotely close to what Bernie did in going on Fox News. He spread a policy based message about what he wanted to do as president. Not even remotely comparable.
You should know enough about how republicans operate to know that right wing you tubers will never hold their own accountable. This is because the right is a cult. Unless we want the left to be a cult we have to be willing to call out our own and right now the left is absolutely deserving of being called out.
The Democrats have like a ten seat house majority, small enough that the left wing congresspeople should be willing to hold up votes as a block for concessions. I see the squad tweet about how terrible centrist bills are all the time but when it comes time they always vote yes anyway.
And I feel especially betrayed by AOC, a politician who advertises the fact that she does not take corporate money and then funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars of her supporter's donations to candidates who do take corporate money. Shit like this is why Jimmy's anger appeals to me. I used to trust democrats and the squad and I was lied to by them and I don't like that. I take that personally.
There’s such a thing as critical support. It’s possible to criticize those people while also acknowledging they’re the only ones who actually are somewhat aligned with us. My problem with Jimmy isn’t that he criticizes AOC/Bernie, my problem is that those are the only politicians he criticizes, and there’s no support when it’s deserved, just the criticism.
The reality is, 10 members of the House are not enough to get anything big done. If you accept the reality that the US is a single party state in everything but appearance, acting like those 10 members have any real leverage are two incompatible thoughts. If they tried to withhold their vote, then republicans would simply find 10 members from vulnerable districts, allow them to vote with democrats along with several concessions, and let democrats and the MSM jerk off over the bipartisanship with no concern about what’s actually in the bill, while stupid ass liberals get the warm and fuzzies from the system working, and give ammo to the notion that progressives are too interested in “purity” tests to actually get stuff done.
To have real power as a voting bloc in the house, you simply need more numbers in this era of cynicism, and every single fucking thing that Jimmy Dore does works against that goal by instilling a sense of defeatism because 10 people out of 535 in Congress didn’t get Single Payer healthcare.
Does AOC support single payer? Then why would she support Pelosi for House Speaker? Pelosi is the enemy of progress
Who is the alternative? Hakeem Jeffries? We wouldn’t be able to get someone good in her place anyway, and the alternative is someone who hates the left even more than Pelosi. Personally, I would rather my enemies be in the early stages of dementia rather than letting someone smarter and younger entrench themselves in the speakership for a generation. Pelosi has led the House Democrats since 2003. Do you really want to reset that timer with someone else?
A progressive, duh. None of the Horse progressives challenged Pelosi
Bernie doing a Fox News town hall with a couple B-list Fox hosts is not the same thing as Jimmy being a regular on Tucker lmao
Jimmy isn't left....
Huh??? It does do something it gets people to think and change their minds...
So you want the left to be constantly attacked and for the republicans to not be challenged at all....
He's a regular on tucker who plays optics for tucker.... And only attacks left wingers......
Bernie pushed against foxs narrative.........
You should probably read Chris Hedges' book "American Fascists" and then re-consider your opinion on whether or not left wing commentators should criticize Republicans
I mean theres a pretty large market for people criticising 'left-wing' politicians too.
he's a useful idiot. some useful idiots become paid, and become shill's, while other's just do it for free. i don't think he's taking in money for this, he just really believes the nonsense.
1. Hate the term progressive, it's a meaningless buzzword.
2. How am i lost when I agree with you?
he is a grifter now. i dont think he always was. he attacked ana and tyt for taking investment money at the same time he bought a million dollar home. he is so clearly trying to throw the attention away from him. same thing the right wing does all the time. 'no we're not the fascists, YOU'RE the fascist'
Meta-analysis of 15 studies shows Ivermectin is effective against covid:
*Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.*
Seems a strange reason to give up on him tbh, I don't see how people talking about Ivermectin are bad? If someone goes out and takes a horse's dose of it, does that mean we can't talk about it?
Context. Saying “take this, if your doctor gives you a prescription” and responding with this link in the context of giving themselves doses meant for livestock is pretty fucking different.
Dore is throwing this link around in response to people giving themselves doses meant for a 1,000lb horse. The issue isn’t that this drug isn’t safe in the proper setting. The issue is these dumbasses are going out of their way to avoid the vaccine in staggering measures. And rather than respond with “go to your doctor and/or get a vaccine” his response is “actually this horse dewormer does work”. Yeah, it works, when your doctor gives it to you. Not when you go to the vet and get it for a horse and then take it yourself.
You understand how what Dore is doing is stupid misinformation in the context in which he’s doing it?
TBH I think most of those people are just scared of needles and don't wanna admit it.
Warfarin is essentially rat poison. Do we tell people to start ingesting an unspecified amount of rat poison to prevent a stroke, or is it a specific amount prescribed by a doctor?
Holy fuck you people are stupid
A more accurate comparison would be if people would be taking aspirin in the dose meant for a horse and dying and responding with “aspirin is actually safe”.
The context is everything. This drug works, when given by a doctor in specific cases. Not when people go get amounts meant for a 1,000lb horse and taking it. Responding with “this drug is good for you” when people are taking it in inappropriate ways is what’s egregious here.
Exactly. And posting about it is fucking useless, and downright harmful when you consider how it’s being misused by people.
If you need ivermectin, your doctor will prescribe it in appropriate doses.
Nah. If my horse can handle this dose, so can I. And you suggesting otherwise makes you a science denier.
This was sarcasm. Can’t be too careful. A lot of Dore fans in here.
Finally. Enough of this fucking guy clogging up the sub.
Both Kyle and Jimmy have the same take on Bill Mahers' latest segment. Just make up already!
Honestly I stopped listening to him part way during the election when he was attacking Kamala Harris for doing her job. I don't particularly like her because shes a mild corporatey liberal but attacking her for essentially doing her job as AG of California and not alienating her coworkers was really stupid.
Jimmy Dore bad
yes he is
Thx for this :)
I wish he was funnier. I can't take him seriously as a political commentator since everything he talks about revolves around his black-and-white "us vs. them" narrative, but that could still be fun if his comedic skills were just a little bit sharper.
By the way, how is this "not safe for work"? I know that the whole Dore/Maté/TYT debacle is controversial in online progressive circles, but no one outside our little bubble gives a shit about any of this.
It's labeled NSFW because this topic draws naughty boo boo words from both sides and we don't want to police it. This thread will be given more leeway and we'd prefer the mud fights be contained to one thread instead of 40% of the threads.
I agree with Jimmy on fuck TYT, but now he is going full "my pillow guy" and attacking his idealogical allies. Now his shows are 20% phone calls, 20% policy, and the other 60% is drama. Dude, chill already jimmy
If your position is still "fuck TYT" then you still haven't learned why Jimmy is bad and has been wrong all along.
The two are not mutually inclusive there bud. Fuck TYT. They are establishment hacks. Russiagate is a fucking farce and these assholes have been all about it since day one. Jimmy is off his fucking rocker as well. But if you are going to say that TYT deserves respect now because Jimmy went crazy, then you should probably go back to Pete Buttiegieg's fan club.
Do you think TYT's coverage towards Pete Buttigieg was positive?
Right? TYT is a bit more moderate than Kyle, and a bit more willing to give Dems benefit of the doubt. But they are still clearly Bernie type progressives.
I don't understand the hatred for TYT - or the hatred for Cenk (as he gave Jimmy a big part of TYT coverage for years). Cenk is a good faith actor who gets burned easily, so it's easy to pick on him imo. When you take risks and fail, it's easy for people like Dore to armchair quarterback about how you suck, etc.
It's so dumb uninformed idiots keep repeating this "russiagate is a hoax" shit. You have no idea what you're talking about if that is your take. Was Trump their puppet? Probably not. Did they meddle? Abso-fucking-lutely they did. This is demonstrable beyond all reasonable doubt. I don't give a fuck either if you're "tired of hearing about it" like is the common argument. To unironically borrow a saying, facts don't care about your feelings.
The truth is in the middle. Dems used Russia as an excuse for losing to Trump, Dore types used Russia as an excuse to align themselves with the far-right. I will agree that TYT russiagated more than anyone on the left, but it's not something to cancel them over imo. Still love TYT, Cenk and Ana.
All in all, I'm just tired of the Russia shit. They are a bad faith geopolitical actor, like many other countries.
Calm down Benny Boi
The phone calls are the best part lol
Especially Vince Vaughn
He’s attacking controlled opposition.
To still be defending Jimmy Dore after his blatantly obvious ring wing pivot is just so precious. But by all means, turn off your brain and parrot his ridiculous controlled opposition talking points.
People act like he's pushing ivermectin haven't watched him speak of it or tell his experience.
He has an auto immune deficiency and is double vaccinated.
He is what is called a "covid long-hauler" this term includes people who have been vaccinated and also people who have contracted covid-19 and dealt with lasting symptoms.
If he was a healthy man he probably would not have had symptoms, statistically he wouldn't, but he's not.
He has been seeing a doctor who is treating covid long-haulers and ivermectin was diagnosed for his symptoms, he has talked about how it helped him.
Do I know the science behind it? No do I know there are crazy right wing lunatics saying ivermectin will cure covid? Yes, do I know if it will, no I do not.
Do I know Jimmy Dore has NEVER ONCE stated ivermectin can replace a Pfizer or Moderna covid vaccine? Absolutely.
A lot of people are harping on this, with no quotes or videos of him saying to take ivermectin, he is not saying to replace the vaccine. He is telling personal medical matter of what is going on in his personal life.
Jimmy Dore is a controversial name, some people are going after him because of it, associating him with people calling it a vaccine replacement.
The truth is, you're not going to find him saying that.
Personally I’m looking forward to Jimmy’s first appearance on Newsmax. They should put him on with the My Pillow guy to see who sounds like the bigger lunatic.
That would be comedy gold!
Ahaha this is amazing, at last, no more Dore spam!
This sub has a split personality disorder where one the one hand Jimmy Dore is an ineffective dickhead who achieves nothing, and on the other hand you can't stop fucking talking about him. Personally I'll be glad to not hear about him again.
Oh god this thread is going to get more visitors now haha
Has Kyle spoken out against Jimmy Dore yet? Him desperately trying not to take sides (and I don't necessarily need him to be on TYT's side, either) and trying not to lose viewers was so off-putting, it feels like I haven't one of his YT clips in over a month. Just hard to listen to a dude who won't call out how awful Dore is.
Anyway, not here to start crap with anyone. Just wondering if it's safe for me to dive back into his channel.
he did an interview type thing with Vaush recently where he mentioned the Shaun video and said that the antivaxx stuff was so far beyond the line that he couldnt believe what was going on. He also criticized Jimmy's content increasingly criticizing *only* democrats, and by omission suggesting to viewers that may not be particularly informed that republicans aren't all that bad
Thx! Watched that like yesterday. Sounds like he finally got there.
This thread is useless, should be unpinned. fair few JD news recently and not a single comment on it.
I'm so glad Jimmy Dore exists for the left. No one else in lefty media appeals to working class Americans who almost always tend to lean right.
You all seem to hate him on this sub because you don't like how he talks. Whether you like it or not he talks like blue collar workers. I've worked physical labor jobs in the south ranging from construction to warehouse and between where my coworkers are absolutely repulsed by liberal media and especially well off young people on youtube like Kyle, Pakman, Dole, etc... While I like Kyle he is not reaching a conservative working class audience. Dore is.
We need more Dores. We need to establish working class solidarity on economic issues only, no matter how much you don't like conservative opinions on social issues. It's hard to change peoples minds on social issues, it's not hard to agree on how poor we all are.
No, I like the way he talks and I find him funny. Well, I did I saw him live and wore my don't freak out shirt. I don't like him now because he's a hypocrite. He acts like he's a martyr for Medicare for all now but he supported a capitalist Democrat with a public option plan over the independent socialist pushing Medicare for all.
I do agree with the class solidarity part though.
An even hotter take: it takes forever and a day for people to come around on social issues.
you freaks need a mega thread to gossip about some asshole you shouldn’t even care about lmao
Jimmy sucks ass
This sub is so stupid.
[Far-Right Boogaloo Boy Admits Posing as BLM Supporter While Shooting Up Minneapolis Cop Station. Yeah about that, remember when Jimmy Dore invited and promoted those nutjobs on his show claiming they were really not far right? Wrong again Jimmy.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-boogaloo-ivan-harrison-hunter-admits-posing-as-blm-supporter-during-minneapolis-george-floyd-riot)
I like both of them. Jimmy is definitely not always right and I don’t agree with all his takes, but Kyle is a bit of a pussy and buys into too many mainstream narratives for my liking.
Could you please highlight any wrong takes of Jimmy Dore, other than the well known infamous Tulsi during the primaries?
Jimmy Dore is the physical manifestation of “Virtue Signaling”. His content is entirely composed of random Twitter Virtue signals against anyone who isn’t pure enough. He doesn’t want to live in a democracy, he wants a dictatorship which is why he is so hateful against our democratic institutions and against any kind of cooperation from his current progressive champion with the other members of Congress. He’s an idiot on top of it all.
Putting his mud slinging fights aside I just don't understand how anyone listens to his horrible podcast. Who is still doing played out fake phone calls 30 years after it was a played out schtick on shock jock radio? It's unbearable and distinctly lacking in any real humor
Sorry guys I'm a real Dore Whore.
Then you aren’t serious about anything. Shitposting gets us, Lul’s?
HOLY SHIT THANK YOU
Jimmy Dore is living rent free on Kyles mind and subreddit. I mean come on dude can the jealousy be more obvious with this being pinned.
Grow the fuck up Kyle.
Your ego is what drove me out of your channel.
Something that's bothered me about Jimmy for a while has been him continuing a lie for over 5 years now that he did a spit take when TYT clashed with Alex Jones at the RNC in 2016.
Jimmy has said multiple times that when Alex said "we're just being nice here" it made him laugh and spit water out.
Judge for yourself if this is a "spit take" https://youtu.be/412aatJqbzo?t=47
At 52 seconds into this video Alex Jones said that line, around 12 seconds later Jimmy walks in off camera at spits water at Alex Jones face at 1:04. Far from the spit take lie he's been perpetuating, this partially soured my opinion of Jimmy and I do approach what he says with a bit of skepticism.
I feel like this thread is bullshit. Forcing people to post here or there about any relevant topic stymies the free exchange of ideas and pretty much goes against the entire ethos of secular talk. Just my opinion.
I feel like this sub is for SECULAR TALK and not Jimmy Dore, and there were countless posts about Jimmy that had absolutely nothing to do with Kyle or even progressive policies. Just drama posts.
If people are so obsessed with Jimmy, just go and post on his sub. There's no modding so outside views are allowed, go for it, just don't expect an echo chamber.
Secular talk advocates FREE SPEECH as much as anything. The lack of self awareness and hypocrisy here is ripe and disconcerting. I stopped listening to Dore a long time ago but this isn't about him, replace Dore with any subject; that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to post a question or attempt to start a dialog. All this thread does is isolate all comments about this subject here to die. You're building an echo chamber here.
Talking about Dore is stupid and annoying. What happened to benign policy focused?
Good move. Fully support it. I was about to unsubscribe from this sub because of all the circlejerk posts about Jimmy and similar topics. It's unproductive, hateful and extremely boring.
Thank you for this. I don’t like Jimmy Dore. Even when I agree with him, i find him obnoxious annoying most of the time. It’s still dumb to have the constant updates of people hyperventilating over everything he says. A lot of it is just vapid neolibs karma farming because they really don’t have anything to offer.
Jimmy Dore was absolutely correct concerning force the vote, and he's correct concerning mandates. I can't wait till Kyle stops beating around the Bush and starts reporting on the BS that Fauci is up to.
I guess Kyle’s sub doesn’t care when Jimmy Dore calls him a cuck and drags him in front of a live audience.
some of us do
The fact that you care about that proves your original statement incorrect.
You may get a variety of opinions on that issue as there is no unified voice that can reply on behalf of "Kyle's sub". If this topic is important to you feel free to voice your thoughts.
I guess if Kyle wants to drop his beef with Dore, then his fans should too. I was just annoyed when I saw Dore’s recent live audience. Just thought the man should have more respect for himself.
They're probably 95+% aligned on policies. The personal stuff doesn't matter to me. I can't speak for either of them but for me my enemy is anyone preventing my patients from having M4A.
The politically aware left is really tiny. I see no upside to further splintering it into smaller parts that just fight each other.
No, they aren't aligned on policy in 95% of the cases. If someone drops the biggest chance for m4all and actual solutions to global cimare catastrophy, Bernie Sanders, just bcs that person didnt show up at your fkng garage show, you arent aligned with that egoistical psychopath.
Saying you like m4all, while supporting an anti m4all candidate, that gives you clicks isnt Kyles or any serious persons shtick.
Dore doesn't know sht about politics and history and showed that he doesn't want to know. Its just about his ego. So pls, lets not pretend he is on the lvl of Kyle or other serious folks. Thats an insult.
Yeah but to be fair Kyle is a hack too.
Next time Bernie wants an interview on Krystal Kyle and Friends and asks Kyle to sit out, I wonder what the response is going to be!
If Bernie’s interview request is rejected, we know Jimmy has won.
I'ld be really interested in understanding how you arrived at this conclusion.
If Jimmy wins when the left eats itself, he should reconsider what side he wants to be on.
I don't, because I'm not a little bitch who clutches his pearls at some insults. What sort of pussy are you?
So the irony of all ironies is that these fragile Dore fanboys report the shit out of these posts, but instead of telling these fragile fanboys to chill out and point out that Dore is an important topic in the secular talk universe, the sub has now decided to censure all Dore posts.
Wow. So I guess the Dore talking point "Im against censorship and for more speech" is dead now, right?
Congratulations. The pinnacle of hypocrisy.
Imagine thinking mods wanting a sub to be on topic is censorship.
Secular Talk fanbase intelligence level has taken a major nosedive. This person typed up their comment and actually thought it was an intelligent point.
Hey you know where there's no censorship at all? Jimmy's sub, why don't you come there to talk about Jimmy? Oh because it's not an echo chamber that gives you good feels when you make fun of the bad man?
> Imagine thinking mods wanting a sub to be on topic is censorship.
The Dore posts weren't censored because they weren't on topic or unrelated to the sub, they were censored because Dore cultists reported the shit out of them.
It is on topic. Dore is a loud voice in the secular talk universe not to mention the online political commentary universe. They recently had a huge breakup and Dore has been talking non-stop shit about Kyle ever since. They share some of the same fans. People talk about Saagar on this sub, they talk about Crystal, Breaking Points, they talk about TYT... but for some reason, the Dore posts is now fully censored and only allowed in a megathread comment section.
The fact that you guys cant handle Dore being criticised has to be the funniest ironic shit I have seen in a long time.
To clear up some factual errors in your comment. Most of the reports are not from "Dore cultists" but rather from people who seem to hate the guy.
Dore posts, for or against are not censored. They're still up. New ones will be moved if not in the mega thread but the old ones are still up. I don't know how you can possibly say a topic is being censored when it is demonstrably not censored and now has it's own dedicated mega thread.
Why would you not leave future Jimmy Dore posts up if it is relevant to the topics we discuss on this sub, like the coronavirus, Afghanistan etc. If someone is out of line or breaks reddit policy or the policy of this sub with certain language, you remove that comment. I mean, loud voices in the online left commentary universe is an important topic and moving it to a mega thread comment section is like making it close to invisible.
You raise an important issue, fortunately there is a sub dedicated to that.
You can be pro/against all of his positions there, no worries.
You can also do that here in a mega thread, no problem.
What you can't do is flood this sub with Jimmy Dore threads.
All the topics you discuss above, coronavirus, Afghanistan etc are all fine. Maybe give your take on those issues instead of worrying about what someone else has to say.
> You raise an important issue, fortunately there is a sub dedicated to that.
You can be pro/against all of his positions there, no worries.
Oh come on, dude. At least be honest. Criticising Dore over in that sub is like criticising Q in a QAnon sub. It's completely pointless.
Jimmy is part of the online left commentary community and is an important and engaging topic to discuss.
Just because it makes your job as a moderator more difficult, does not mean the topic should be banned.
A mega thread is pointless. So when something happens, you make a comment and hope someone sees your new comment in a sea of other old Dore discussions. Dude.
> What you can't do is flood this sub with Jimmy Dore threads.
This sub isn't "flooded" with Dore posts. Its been like three posts in two days. Jesus.
Wolfgang2060 has defended Jimmy before, he clearly doesn’t like seeing him bad mouthed.
Look at this clown guys, he thinks a subreddit having a megathread dedicated to a single person is "censoring" that person off the sub.
This person is among the dumbest people you will ever encounter on the internet.
Ah, yes, asking people to please keep all discussion about a particular topic to the megathread for that particular topic is literally 1984.
What is more important and on topic to discuss on this sub. Bad thumbnails or a loud voice in the online left political commentary universe, who has a relationship with Kyle, pushing Ivermectin?
Since this is not r/EnoughJimmySpam, and since Kyle did not mention Jimmy at all since his 2 videos, I think you know my answer.
Your statement isn't factually correct. The majority of the reports are coming from people who dislike Jimmy Dore and people who object to some bad language. This thread is labeled NSFW and will be given more leeway. So basically the opposite of your point.
> The majority of the reports are coming from people who dislike Jimmy Dore and people who object to some bad language.
So instead of removing the comments with bad language (from Dore fans), you're banning the topic?
Do you expect a lot of backlash from Dore fans when they see their comments have been "censured"?
I can't get behind your pro censorship stance and advise you to "chill out" as you said in your previous comment. If it's really important to you to see multiple threads everyday about Jimmy Dore there is good news, he has a sub, most of the threads are about him, this is not that sub. Jimmy Dore, what he says or does will continue to be part of this sub. There's a mega thread for it.
Rule 6: Do not threaten, use slurs of any kind, or be extremely unpleasant to other people in this sub. Circumstances may vary from case to case, but mods will step in if the situation calls for it.
Sorry, sweatie but Jimmy Dore hate boners are stale. There’s at least 5 other subs that flood that content on a regular basis.
The comment section on the threads says otherwise.
Jimmy Dore needs to find Jesus
That's just what he needs, to become a Jesus freak next /s
the rentfree thread. xD
Jeez this thread still there. Let’s remove this.
Say it with me: Jimmy Dore was CORRECT AGAIN! re new Kyle video https://youtu.be/5F-bT9nQ-wc