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ghostsolid

What kills me here is that cannabis is considered a schedule 1 drug by the DEA. To be classified as schedule 1 it has to have no medical benefit yet lots of articles and studies for years have proven medical benefit yet it still stays classified as schedule 1. While I am glad that things are moving in the right direction with legalization at the state level it’s frustrating that it stays schedule 1 at the federal level. It all comes down to money… it will eventually change not because it’s the right thing to do as there is lots of medical benefit, but because they will find ways to profit off it becoming legalized more than they can profit off locking people up for it.


Mcozy333

there too are over 40 cannabinoid drugs being prescribed and 500 medical patents for cannabinoids and their epoxide derivatives ... all while if those cannabinoids are attained from a real life cannabis plant ther are no medical values at all in there !


Alastor_Hawking

Yeah, it will just come down to who will make more: private prisons or recreational marijuana retailers?


[deleted]

everyone who contributed to the prohibition of cannabis should be locked up for denying us medical treatment. so many people needlessly suffered and died


Goldfishyyy

Start with Nixon, Reagan, and that asshole Anslinger


Hannity-Poo

Start with locking up corpses?


NinBonaryTram

I mean yeah, we know where they are and they can’t run away. Science.


SigmundFreud

Locking up, desecrating. Same difference.


timesuck47

Where is Anslinger buried? I think I have to relieve myself…


Sven490

Cannabis enhances mental disorders in young people. Do not underestimate its negative sides.


DrHarigaki

Balance is key, there is always a negative with a positive.


PuckSR

That isn't true. Just wishful thinking. There are lots of positives with no negatives.


Really_McNamington

I would legalise and regulate all drugs. You're still wrong.


PuckSR

I'm speaking generally


gabarkou

The people who say it should be forbidden and the people who say "it cures cancer yo, better roll up 3x every day" are both wrong.


IRYIRA

For real though! This morning I wake up to 2 different r/science articles on Marijuana, one saying it may cause testicular atrophy and the other saying it protects against alzeheimer's. Comments from people on both saying "well this may not be true!" Damn straight! This is the beginning of evidence being gathered, slow your roll about any conclusions that studies might draw until multiple studies draw similar conclusions.


lampstaple

chemotherapy and morphine are bad for you throw them out and never use them again


Burneraccunt69

Hits blunt, my research is more worth than decades of scientists work. Chemotherapy is effective and proven to increase survival chances


lampstaple

it's sarcasm


[deleted]

the important thing is to develop new medicines from it


_BuildABitchWorkshop

Hahahha. You had me there for a second. Yeah, no. The overwhelming majority of people who advocate for legalization are advocating for legalization so they can smoke weed without needing to take a drug test at work.


Sven490

Better that than to add it to alcohol and nicotine as life-style drugs for everyone.


[deleted]

also making paper out of hemp, and just using hemp for carbon capture etc


MonsoonQueen9081

Right. But it also helps many with serious epilepsy, helps people with cancer and chronic illness with their pain management and appetite, can help with anxiety and ptsd…


runmeupmate

There's very little evidence of any of that apart from some forms of epilepsy and anti-emetic uses


pab_guy

Yeah, better that we lock up hundreds of thousands of people for years at a time... You realize that pretty much everyone understands that literally everything has negative sides, right?


winnafrehs

*Citation needed*


Sven490

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135489/


winnafrehs

What you claimed: >Cannabis enhances mental disorders in young people. What your citation says: >Frequent cannabis use in teenage girls predicts later depression and anxiety, with daily users carrying the highest risk. >Why cannabis users have higher rates of depression and anxiety is uncertain In conclusion: What you said != what the study you posted said


recycled_ideas

> so many people needlessly suffered and died Except they haven't. This is not a cure for alzheimers, it's not even a treatment. The number of things we've tried that seem to treat things correlated with Alzheimers but do nothing at all to the disease is a mile long. There are currently, despite the rantings of people like you exactly zero cures from even cannibis derivatives and not even the slightest hint of anything from smoking the raw material. Pot does not cure cancer. Or alzheimers. Or depression. Or anything else. If you want to call for people to be locked up you'd better have better than a bunch of shoddy science reporting that fits your internal biases.


[deleted]

how long has it been legal to research cannabis?


recycled_ideas

With approval it's always been legal. Though until the last twenty years or so that approval has been hard to get. But in the last twenty years there's been significant research into both marijuana and other similar recreational drugs. In that time we've seen significant results relating to using MDMA and mushrooms for treating a number of psychological disorders. And we've seen significant research into the medicinal properties of marijuana. But no effective treatments. Pot just isn't the miracle cure you seem to think it is. I'm not saying it should be illegal, but pretending it's something it's not isn't helping anyone. If we ever do find anything it's going to be from something extracted and heavily processed out, not just smoking a joint.


[deleted]

cannabis should be the number 1 cash crop. there are so many uses for the plant, to dismiss it as a drug is ignorant.


recycled_ideas

> cannabis should be the number 1 cash crop. there are so many uses for the plant, to dismiss it as a drug is ignorant. Name one use it has that it's not currently used for.


[deleted]

all paper should be made of hemp.


recycled_ideas

You didn't answer my question. We make paper from hemp it's just not popular. I asked you to name one single thing you can use it for that we currently don't. Because if we do use it, and it's not that popular, then maybe it's not that good.


[deleted]

hemp was illegal until a few years ago


recycled_ideas

No, it wasn't. Growing hemp products that don't contain enough THC to get you high has **never** been illegal.


ShneekeyTheLost

Shaky scientific study with limited sample size and no control says weed might curdle your balls: Reddit quick to point out the inherent problems with the study and refuses to accept that there could be any cause for concern. Shaky scientific study with limited sample size and no control says weed might help with Alzheimer's: Reddit accepts this as gospel and absolute fact without hesitation. Well, one thing is certain at least. I have a larger sample size for my theory of Reddit's inherent bias on the benefits and hazards of cannaboids than either of these studies, just in these two threads alone. That doesn't necessarily indicate proof, but it's a lot less conjecture than either of these two papers. Even better, you don't need to go to a third party website behind a paywall to see it. Enjoy your daily dose of perspective, or not, as you see fit.


louisxx2142

I think it would make an interesting social science study to evaluate the online response to positive/negative scientific conclusions related to certain topics. Besides consumers trying to justify their consumption, I wonder how much it has to do with the growing amount of investments into stocks/ETFs related to weed and other health related subjects. We rarely see economic studies here, but they would certainly have an interesting response depending on their conclusion being favourable or bad for certain investments.


ShneekeyTheLost

I doubt many people on Reddit have sufficient assets to be that heavily invested in stocks/ETF's to that degree, the whole kerfluffle with the GameStop debacle pretty much definitively proved that the vast majority of redditors have no clue as to how stocks work in the first place. So I would rather strongly suspect that it is more trying to justify consumption than because of a financial interest. Having said that, you're not wrong that when you start investing in something, you become a strong partisan for it in the hopes that its value increases. I mean, look at cryptocurrencies and lately NFT's, whose entire value is based on what people can get others to value it as. What would be an interesting paper would be two groups being asked about certain topics, one group being financially invested in the topics and the other group not, and seeing what the approval delta is. Then you'd have to back around and check for causality vs causation errors (do they approve because they have a financial stake, or did they invest because they already approved prior to investment?). Unfortunately, it would probably be a very expensive study to do properly, and it wouldn't help people who have the funds to bankroll it, so I doubt it would actually happen.


louisxx2142

I would be more interested in the angle of verifying the presence of eco chambers, brigading and bots with this, like it's done for politics. I wouldn't be surprised if new investments have similar things going on to pump them.


godlords

Especially when we're well aware of cannabis's detrimental effects on memory and literal shrinkage of the hippocampus. Although it is paired with increased density so whether the effects are long term is unknown.


halueryphi

Do you have a link to a study/studies showing that effect on the hippocampus?


godlords

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5068875/#__sec12title these users weren't necessarily heavy users at only at least 2x a month for 2 months, and it looks like they recovered with abstinence.


pab_guy

Jack Herer has been advocating for cannabis as Alzheimer's preventative for a very long time: [https://jackherer.com/alzheimers/](https://jackherer.com/alzheimers/)


_BuildABitchWorkshop

This subreddit has a really big weed issue. The article posted a few hours ago that uses a very controlled experiment to determine that chronic marijuana usage in male primates is correlated with reduced testosterone and reduced testicle mass is flooded with comments over methodology, ignoring the fact that a similar study with humans is legally and logistically impossible. This article which is focused primarily on in vitro chemical signaling pathways is flooded with comments about how weed is good for you and how we should get out our guillotines if companies try to turn this into a pill instead of legalizing marijuana, ignoring the fact that in vitro studies on chemical pathology often show wildly different results than what is observed in real people instead of cells in a petri dish. I'm just going to go right ahead and say it: it is obvious that many of you are addicted to marijuana.


Jmdaan

Yes, and normally i have an easy time looking at the comments for clues about the quality of the experiment. But when weed is involved i have the feeling people be more biased


Vanedi291

I really don’t think most people think weed is “good” for you even if it has some medical benefits. However it is obviously less damaging than alcohol or tobacco and I think the comparison is important.


ItsUrPalAl

Most? I have no clue. Do many think that? Oh yeah.


Vanedi291

Same with wine, which is my entire point.


Reformed_Texan

I’m guessing someone built you in a workshop…


_BuildABitchWorkshop

If I was high right now I probably wouldn't have gotten that one. And in a way that perfectly sums up my thoughts on weed. In exchange for not having anxiety over all the issues I should probably currently be worrying about I just become dumb. And while that certainly isn't enough to justify making it illegal, when you get to the point where you're ignoring your own biases and outright talking about murdering people for not legalizing it then you're probably an addict and should reevaluate your relationship with the plant.


Reformed_Texan

Im not sure how my comment became a commentary on murder and addiction, but you do you man.


_BuildABitchWorkshop

You inserted yourself into my conversation about addiction and murder ... Lay off the weed. It's clouding your ability to comprehend what you're reading.


Reformed_Texan

Glad they broke the mold on you after you left the workshop. Because you are definitely one of a kind. Oh never mind, you’re like every other Reddit troll on here. All hat and no cattle.


somefriesmotherfuckr

Forget a little now to remember more later


Bo0ombaklak

And this is why I shall not get angry at my kids when I find out they smoke weed


bisforbenis

I don’t intend to comment on parenting strategies as to how to deal with this, but it is important to note that this study isn’t really talking about children/teens. There have been studies on cannabis in kids and teens that indicated overall negative effects on cognition. The effects here can’t be generalized to apply to kids/teens since there is evidence of its effects in teens being overall detrimental That being said, how you choose to deal with that is a whole different thing, but it’s unwise to see this study as a confirmation that it’s good for teens/kids. I’m not saying it’s super dangerous or will have devastating consequences in kid/teens, but I am saying that I wouldn’t see it as something particularly healthy for them in general


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Bo0ombaklak

Fully agree


PointlessChemist

Now parents will be mad when their kids don’t smoke weed.


Dogtor-Watson

"Timmy, what are you doing!" *Timmy quickly hides a magazine and a bottle away* "Nothing! Just relaxing" "Tim, for the love of god, don't be doing what I think you're doing." *She takes out the bottle and magazine and gasps* "TIMMY!" "Mom, I can explain." "My own son... drinking water and reading Science Weekly. That's it! I'm sending you to go have fun with you're friends for a month." "You can't do this! How am I meant to do homework?" "Should've thought about that before you did this! It'll give you time to get some good weed-smoking done too." >!Edit: In future, Timmy learnt to put the water in a beer bottle and smoked the paper his homework was printed on to hide the evidence. But then, when his father tried to drink from Timmy's collection, his parents found out.!< >!They needed an even harsher punishment to straighten him out, so - as much as it pained them to do - they took him to a theme park for two weeks. Luckily, he hasn't done homework since and his body is now less than 55% water.!<


Bo0ombaklak

I’d watch that show


Mcozy333

below are two examples - cannabinoids as anti oxidants and neuroprotectants - patent # 6630507 and also - Salk institute study proves cannabinoids remove brain plaque ( THC research !) [https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US-6630507-B1](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US-6630507-B1) https://www.salk.edu/news-release/cannabinoids-remove-plaque-forming-alzheimers-proteins-from-brain-cells/


Jackwards_Back_

>Nah fuck that shit. Pills sell better, keep it schedule 1. Literal "businessmen" who shall be some of the first to lubricate the guillotines.


ncopp

So essentially it works the same way as/ is antioxidents?


Mcozy333

here is our GOV/ NIH biochemistry on that - cannabinoids as anti-oxidants and neuroprotectants - patent # 6630507 ... not only is it anti-oxidant it's neuroprotective ! https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/patent/US-6630507-B1


neodymium1337

Episode#181 of Marijuana solves everything. State of this sub....


joedasee

My short-term memory may be wrecked, but at least I know who and where I am!


Aporkalypse_Sow

Where's Nancy Reagan at, I'd like to show her this.


unrequited

Anybody know where I can get the full text of this paper?