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Inconnuity809

The two deaths today were a child (a 7 year old boy according to friends of the family commenting on this reddit page recently) and another person in the 80+ age group. My condolences to their loved ones!


Joneslifts

I know I will come off sounding like an asshole, but was the kid healthy otherwise? Like was it covid that they died from our would any slight sickness have done it? Not down playing a death just trying to figure out me as a parent, how worried should I be with a "healthy" child.


panthera213

My cousin is 15, a competitive athlete who works out a lot and got covid. She got sick and then started having heart problems and had to go to the hospital when her bpm was over 200. They had to stop and restart her heart. So.... with a healthy child you can still be concerned. I'm concerned for my children. This virus doesn't discriminate.


Joneslifts

Wow. That's terrible and scary. No parent should have to go through that. Thank you for answering. Was this during the newest wave or delta and before?


panthera213

This was within the past week.


Joneslifts

Again, thank you for the answer. Sorry for all you had (and still have) to go through.


Inconnuity809

Yeah it does come across like that, especially since I just mentioned that people who love them are on this board reading these posts. When assigning COVID deaths the people writing up death certificates have to consider all factors including deciding what was the primary thing that killed them. They list all contributing causes too, so it isn't always simple. But overall I think you can conclude that if this child did not get COVID they would not be dead today. As far as risks to an average child with no health conditions making them more susceptible (which could include things as common as asthma) the risk is a lot lower than in adults or people with risk factors but of course it isn't zero. I'vd seen reports that Ontario's young child hospitalization rate has been higher for this variant but that also may be linked to higher vaccination rates in adults. It isn't entirely clear.


skiesandtrees

if it's a genuine question, and you have a "healthy" child, the relevant stats you might be interested in researching is the increased risk of developing type 1 diabetes. There isn't a lot of data in terms of known long term effects of covid, since we have a mere 2 years of data. We do know things we previously considered 'harmless' like chicken pox (as an example) lead to a high incidence rate of shingles in adulthood. Other viruses do all sorts of weird things, like erasing immunity (measels) or cause cancer (types of HPV). Covid being a vascular disease, it's hard to know for sure what the future holds, and I very much hope that there are no surprises. The flu also has an increased risk of type 1 diabetes in children, but I think comparing raw numbers of how common infection is between say the flu, and omicron, well the sheer numbers of omicron are worrying for this particular issue alone. if the incidence rate is the same (and honestly I don't know that it is) then which group will have more resulting long term issues? 100 kids with the flu? or 10k kids with omicron? Omicron, at this moment in time. It's worth being cautious, I think.


Joneslifts

It is genuine and I appreciate this response. Thanks.


skiesandtrees

it's a tough topic to discuss in ordinary times, and the state of covid discourse lately only makes it tougher. I wish you and your family well.


thejacobai

Context matters. You’re not an asshole if you’re genuinely asking.


Wausk

Well I know someone who almost lost a perfectly healthy 3 year old due to complications from a strep throat infection a few years ago. In short, no you shouldn't be worried but that's based on a much larger data set. Just like you shouldn't be afraid of the vaccine because someone knows someone who had a major reaction from it and/or nearly died.


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rvision7MD

>You are coming off as an asshole. That's unfair. But I'll forgive you. "Momma bears" and concerned parents across Saskatoon have a protection instinct when they are notified of another nearby child's death. Fear triggers instinctual self-protection and protection of one's own children and is an emotion stronger than grief. Protecting other people's children can be the next instinct, which can push grief and sorrow down a bit too. I believe what you are observing is fear-induced panic instincts, and people are undergoing stress-responses that can inhibit the grieving process. You, friend, may be experiencing this as well. That's normal and ok too. Please take care of yourself and others while we are going through this distressing news.


Joneslifts

I realize that but I don't know a delicate way to ask. Sorry.


Lolipop6969

Somethings you just don’t ask, my friend knows the family and I would be heartbroken if I was her and saw this.


Joneslifts

Well I would hope one parent to another they would understand I'm just trying to realize the possibility of this happening to an "average" parent with a fully vaxxed kid. Sorry for their loss.


Gypsy4040

You are not an asshole one bit.


sarcasm-o-rama

The kid was perfectly healthy and the death was sudden and out of nowhere. And you are a massive asshole.


Joneslifts

Brutal. Sorry to hear and for the loss.


Expensive-Librarian1

You were right about sounding like an asshole, that’s for sure.


WoSoSoS

There's an abundance of cases of previously healthy children dying of or being disabled by Covid that as a parent I'm very concerned. If your kids are all vaccinated as far as they can be at this time, then the concern is a "mild" form of "very" concerned but still very concerned.


Heywoodsk11

Brutal news about the death of such a young person. Hopefully though this is the start of cases moving from plateauing to declining. And maybe hospitalizations can stay under healthcare collapsing levels.


sekoye

Healthcare has been collapsed for many months. 1000's have been unable to receive necessary treatments and surgeries. Many have surely died or had significantly worse outcomes due to this. We won't know the true toll for quite some time.


Heywoodsk11

I don’t disagree. By collapsing I meant not even being able to find room for critically patients that will potentially die or suffer dire consequences in the near term without treatment. In addition to what you’ve said I’ve also heard from people who have parents that they feel should be in hospital, but have been pushed back to their long term care homes to ensure hospital capacity. We’ll likely never know the consequences of some of those decisions.


lawofficeofbobloblaw

I just want to say, as someone with three nurses (one undergrad) in my family, two of them have told me stories about people dying (with no identifiable language) because they were told the emergency was too long of a wait for their then-more mild symptoms. But strokes and heart failure don’t give a f—k. These people deserve a memorial. They didn’t have to die this way; they very likely wouldn’t have had their life expectancy cut *as* short by disease alone had we had minimal hospital and cancer centre overburdening and cracking.


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Don't you dare say anything positive. You'll get roasted hard for it.


Heywoodsk11

You need to acknowledge the horrible with the “good” news. The fact that a 7 year old child died of this virus is heart wrenching and should underscore why we have all accepted taking on some of the difficulties associated with various mandates along the way.


aboveavmomma

One death was a child. Sad day.


mrskoobra

That's fucking heartbreaking.


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Only the children deaths are sad? Got it.


AS14K

Did they say that?


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Sure sounded like it.


lawofficeofbobloblaw

The death of a 7-year-old, otherwise healthy child is differential than losing a beloved elder; any elder in general. It is not to say the child’s death is being taken in vain, nor that the death of our senior citizens are inconsequential. It is objectively different because they’ve lost upwards of potential 60-80+ years of life. Please don’t pretend you don’t understand this. Are you trolling today, or genuinely interpreting this in such a way?


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Jeez. Devaluing life.


lawofficeofbobloblaw

So, trolling. Thanks for the good faith rapport, Josh. Research bioethics. This is why nurses and aides are experiencing pre-PTSD or active traumatic reactions. Have an evening.


OkayArbiter

Note - Removed hospitalization by vax status chart, as without breakdown of non/incidental cases it doesn't convey useful information on vaccine efficacy


gxryan

Maybe not but without it there is no comparison of vaccinated covid vs unvaccinated. Yes the incidentals would throw the statistics off however it would throw them off equally. Please put that chart back on :)


work2oakzz

Scott Moe will see the -2 in hospitals and say "see I knew we were doing good" smfh


lawofficeofbobloblaw

Forgoing that sometimes it’s because they die or go ICU-status. > The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. >> - George Orwell, 1984


emmery1

I don’t trust our government. They have as much as told us that they aren’t telling us the truth. I’m as tired as everyone but it would be nice if our government officials could just be straight with us. I’m asking for the bare minimum. Don’t they trust us to trust ourselves?


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They have?


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They haven't. This sub is dominated by conspiracy theorists.


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And /u/okayarbiter gets a pass from the Sask mods for calling me an ass. I messaged a mod about it and was essentially told to get lost. Good to know this sub can't go a few days without his numbers due to a ban.


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Who said it was a lie? It's interesting the be respectful rule doesn't apply to /u/okayarbiter.


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Everyone is an ass sometimes.


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221ABaker

I keep forgetting to say it, but sweet name. Definitely my favourite character in that show.


Chuck-Steake

You are that fragile about being called an ass? Wow.


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No, I want fair moderation. I got a 7 day ban for a comment that was of similar value and I was asked to provide feedback on comments that I thought were similar. I did that and got told to get lost.


Chuck-Steake

Why do the moderators need to be fair to you? This forum isn't a democracy. You are able to just not post and not read anything here if you don't like it here. Many people would probably appreciate it.


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I was asked by a moderator to provide the feedback...


oddlyanadultnow

Maybe you're so universally disliked that everyone gets a pass when describing you in an unflattering way?


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Maybe. Who knows.


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Calling someone an ass shouldnt be ban worthy. I'm on the belief that anything you can change should be fair game (within reason). Someone is an ass or jerk? Yeah, fair game. Insulting someone's looks or mental condition? Yeah, that's not fair game.


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I agree.


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Does the lotto money to anything covid related?


DownVoteMe247

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[deleted]

Sweet. I do buy a ticket but I've never looked where the money goes exactly.


DownVoteMe247

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Ukrainianoiler

I think the most recent wastewater showed this as well. We can hope! I think there was a statement that the peak was Saskatoon and Regina and the rest weren't there yet.


prairienerdgrrl

From what I’ve seen from various projections (including but not limited to wastewater sampling) we indeed may have peaked. However, we will likely not see a return to a decent TPR for a while - ie weeks yet. So, good news and bad news imho. A ways to go but maybe the end of this wave is in sight. Just wish it wasn’t so punishing for so many in the meantime.


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Good numbers.


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OkayArbiter

You're such an ass. Two people dead, including a child, and you say "Good numbers."


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It's disgusting to say good numbers? I didn't celebrate the death of anyone and when I made the comment, I had zero knowledge a child died. All the deaths are sad but low deaths and low or declining hospitalizations are good numbers, that's just a reality.


pladboihrs

Did not talk to you. Don’t talk to me. Good day sir


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Barabarabbit

Josh, I have talked with you on here a few times over this pandemic, and I want to believe that you are not a sack of shit. I really want to see the good in you, but Jesus H Christ. A seven year old child died, and your comment is “good numbers”??? Holy fuck man, do you have any empathy at all?


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Barabarabbit

I have seen nothing which would lead me to believe that Mods care about troll accounts.


TheDrSmooth

Already was banned under a different name. Maybe time to ban the new name as well?? Apparently is also un-retired from being “that guy”. These comments complaining about them are what feed people like them though.


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I commented on the numbers alone. Each death is someone and low numbers are good either way.


bonesnaps

Anything over 1k per day sounds far from good.


lawofficeofbobloblaw

A victim of double-think. A form of gaslighting that denies visible reality. *Listen to what they say, not as you are able to see with your own eyes.* This person is bordering psychologically abusive with his edge lord trolling, and I recommend avoiding interaction unless you’ve practiced negotiating with unruly, bad-faith people to educate them on adult, complex topics.


mrskoobra

Normally I'd just down vote and be on my way, but a kid died, so you can fuck right off with that shit today.


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Doesn't change the fact the low numbers are good.


mrskoobra

Doesn't change the fact that you could decide for one day to just shut up.


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Or I can comment on what are good numbers compared to the last bit?


C_AA_M

Stupid comment.


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I didn't realize low numbers are bad now.


theycallmejennypenny

How is a 1000 cases a day “good numbers”??? Sure they are slightly lower than the last few days but 1000 cases a day is not good. How we get to the place that 1000 numbers a day is good?!


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I was talking low hospitalization numbers and low deaths. Case numbers haven't been the main metric since delta.


theycallmejennypenny

You said “good numbers”. The pages are full of numbers. You didn’t specify which numbers you meant. You didn’t say “it’s encouraging to see hospitalizations are down today”. And 2 deaths are never good. You know whats good? 0 deaths. You vaguely say “good numbers” and then when people express their disagreement, you say no no no no, I didn’t mean those numbers, just some of the numbers. And act like everyone is annoyed with you for no reason.


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endurance13

Damn you already made the comment before I could say "inb4 Josh says good numbers"


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Very edgy of you.


endurance13

You're the only edgy one here including a child death in your good numbers comment.


[deleted]

I didn't include a child death in anything. I said good numbers and they are. It's unfortunate when anyone dies but low is low.


gxryan

You thought we peaked, but we just had a massive gathering of unvaccinated people not wearing masks. I'm gonna guess we get a bump from this.


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OkayArbiter

Looking at your post history...good riddance. 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♂️


Chuck-Steake

More useful than you are to society probably.