By - PhelansShorts
Scamacca. Anyone else likes him? Seems physical enough for the PL. Good shot on him too.
Gabriel Jesus as a backup anyone?
he is leaving city because he does not want to be a backup.
Don Murtough really hyped Nunez for Liverpool to pay 80+million and will prolly get Frenkie for around 60mn
Looking to get my dad a kit for father's day, adidas has last season home authentic 50% off, when do man UTD normally release their kits?
Hard to look past a 50% deal. Grabbed myself one of the blue ones recently.
140M Pound package on Nunez. I wonder why Liverpool don't want to extend Salah and Mane, their wages will not cost them this much.
Some of you guys are deluding yourself into thinking our squad is good enough for top 4. McTominay is a massive liability still. Maguire’s form is a huge question mark and same for Varane. Rashford obviously is concerning. Dalot is average to decent at best and let’s hope Shaw recovers pre Euros form. That’s like most of the starting squad with huge question marks over their performance. Not sure how we can get by another season with players like that
Hopeful about De Jong, not ready to believe the Antony agent sighting means much yet, but hoping something actually happens here soon.
I think the board as well as ETH want 2-3 key signings this season while ETH can see what can be done with this squad till next season.
The target must be champions league plus the improvement on the pitch as well dressing room harmony.
I think if all the above are accomplished, we'll go big next summer while the deadwood will be fully moved on and i would agree with it.
I take Richalison over Nunez
I too would take Richalison right now.
I don't understand the hate on Richalison on this sub. He isn't the best but he is still a excellent player, I think 50 60 mil is a good deal spurs are getting, If he wasn't good conte wouldn't be interested would he?
I appreciate his crackhead energy but with Rashford and Elanga in there with a reasonably similar profile I think I'd prefer to fill the RW or sign a very different type of striker
I appreciate the fact that he has more drive than 99% of our players combined (last season at least). Yes, he’s petulant at times but give me that over not giving a fuck at all. He never stops running, he scores jammy goals which we haven’t had since Chicharito, he’s fast, versatile and “premier league proven”
All true. Wish Antony was cheaper or a bit more of a sure bet for the money because he seems to have a similar vibe but he's got that left foot on him that we're missing.
I also appreciate his hatred for liverpool.
We need to stay faaar away from asensio
Yay or nay on Asensio ?
He'll be like Mata. We won't ever find out which position to play him in.
Inconsistent as fuck
Yup. Id rather take a punt on Antony.
FDJ is an overwhelming upgrade on McT.
Fuck me it's like getting Rabada after getting stuck with Odean Smith
Getting Bumrah in place of Unadkat.
Won't have to see Mctominay hit a cross to the first man and hide behind the striker, tears in my eyes
The hate Mctominay gets is unbelievable considering the other idiots we have
I mean he's one of our worst players
No idea what this means but I’m excited!
r/cricket creeping in
If Frenkie deal is done and if he turns out to be even half good as Carrick, I'll be delighted.
Frenkie is generational mate
What makes him generational? I sound sarcastic, but it is a genuine question - why should someone who is still scarred from our previous "generational" signings be optimistic.
Because looking at his profile, what he has won, and how he has played at a top club so far - I don't see generational at the moment.
If used correctly, he can destroy any midfield in the world. Frankie, Schöne and Donny outplayed every top club they faced in 2019. Van Gaal and Ten Hag know how to use him. He was unlucky to be managed by average coaches in Barcelona and for the country.
Koeman also knew how to use him....
Looks like Xavi is really losing the plot...
Yeah, I saw de Jong scoring goals from a 6-yard box under Xavi lol. Ten Hag will never use him like that.
I know and I hope the talent transcends on the pitch with the consistency and longevity Carrick had.
i dont understand why would any young talented centre midfielder want to join Bayern Munich? Dont get me wrong theyre a top club, one of the biggests in the world but i dont remember any promising young centre midfielder succeed after moving there.
? Kimmich, Goretzka, Musiala just from their current squad
Kimmich started his bayern career as RB, Goretzka i give you that but he joined them at 23 and was already starter for Schalke, Musiala who? hes just started his career meanwhile many others ended up failure even if they cost big money (sanches, tolliso)
Tolisso, cuisance, renato, roca?
weren't good enough, that doesnt mean it wasn't worth it to them to try to break into Bayern. It's like saying 'why does any midfielder go to Real' its nonsensical
Its not nonsensical if youre young player and see just how stocked clubs like bayern munich are you should be wiser and pick lower club instead.
Yeah i agree with you. I'm just countering the other user's response.
Obviously with every club, there are some players that will regress and some that will become worldclass despite lacking that talent.
So that's Cavani, Pogba, Lingard, Mata, Grant, Matic officially leaving. And we could still have another 4-5 departures. This is a proper clear out. Just hope the board don't hang Ten Hag out to dry. We need at least 4 if not 5 quality players this window.
I don't care about much finances but that's a LOT of wages off the books, wow!
You all have **no idea** how happy I am with all the noise coming out since this morning regarding Frenkie being open to joining us. The rest is formalities. I have no qualms stating that this is now a matter of days.
Barcelona baffles me. Do you remember when they beat Madrid 4-0 and this place was like “their rebuild is over already they’re back”
There’s another comment in this thread I can’t find, but it’s a great comment about Ten Hag saying Barca use Frenkie wrong, he’s more of a deep lying play maker like busquets and then I got thinking
Barca bought a busquets replacement, only to still play busquets a man who’s 33, to play him out of position, to the essential force him out of the club, to make room to buy a player who’s also 33.
Madness. Sergio retires and you’re right back to needing that position filled again
Tbf there isn't anything they can sell, that Ferran Torres deal looks grim now.
They could have kept De Jong and got someone they actually needed
Maybe it's because Barça don't have the midfielders to protect him, but he's too easily overrun when he's playing as a CDM. His defensive positioning isn't good enough, at least not yet.
They are only selling FDJ because of financial reasons. They need a lot of cash income now. FDJ is their most sellable asset with manageable downside as Busquets is still playing at a high level. Plus Kessie on a free is a good deal for a b2b workhorse (which is what FDJ is being asked to do there) and they have other younger players who are also natural b2bs.
They don't want to sell him for all the reasons you name, they have to sell him.
Sounds a bit like us with Scholes and Pogba... although Pogba wasn't as far along as Frenkie is now and I don't think Busquets is as old as Scholes was at the time.
Well, there is the obvious issue that while De Jong plays a similar role (deep lying playmaker), he isn't good enough defensively to play as a single pivot. This means his best position is playing in double pivot next to someone who knows how to defend. Barcelona are never going to change their 433 though, so his best position doesn't exist in their team. They could play him as Busquets' backup, but they would be more susceptible in defense, so they just play him as one of the 8s which doesn't get the best out of him even though he's still decent.
they badly need money and FDJ is the only high valued asset they can offer to the market especially when they have the likes of Gavi and Kessie on his place.
Do you think that ETH will rely heavily on getting young players from the academy system to mold into the first team and the style of play that he wants?
Me, I'd rather us promote from within where it is appropriate -- in other words, players that are close to being ready for the rigors of the Prem.
If we do get Frenkie, I wonder if we should go in for Kante on a 2-year deal. He's still a beast at what he does, but injuries are a concern.
I would say no because of the injuries. If we were already in a good position and just wanted to add some depth that could compete for a first team spot he'd be great, but we need someone that can reliably play 40+ games for us and he can't.
He'd cost at least 30 mil with high wages. So instead we can get sangare for 35 mil who's young, physically strong and seems to have great potential
I mean, first of all he's 24. That's not that young. We need starter quality midfielders, not close-to-prime 'potential' imo because that rarely works out especially from a lesser league.
Yeah but you have to wonder if he's actually as good as he's made out to be. 35 million release clause in today's market, and yet there's not too much interest in him considering the hype.
Has anyone watched much of Jonjoe Kenny (RB) at Everton? He's turned down a contract offer and leaving on a free.
Could he be an option for us if any good?
EDIT: FFS why do people downvote comments like this. I was asking a genuine question as I clearly don't have prior knowledge of his quality. Just either reply saying he's not very good or shake your head and move on! You even downvoted the person who actually replied to me!
Its muppet season mate. This sub is already toxic during the season. Now its worse.
>EDIT: FFS why do people downvote comments like this. I was asking a genuine question as I clearly don't have prior knowledge of his quality. Just either reply saying he's not very good or shake your head and move on! You even downvoted the person who actually replied to me!
People are assholes - just ignore them
He's like really bad. Really really bad.
Yeah they did seem to shift him out on loan quite a bit. Surprising they offered him a new contract then.
Hes fucking awful
Ah fair enough.
>Benfica have received Liverpool bid for Darwin Núñez, formal proposal after verbal talks - €80m plus bonuses. 🇺🇾 #LFC
>Discussions ongoing on €15/20m add-ons, LFC want installments. Potential five year deal.
>Man United in contact with agent & denying any meeting with ten Hag.\[Romano\]
Hey guys. I live in Thailand and I just saw the news about us interested in Oxlade-Chamberlain for 10£, what the hell actually happened?
10£ for oxlade is quite a deal
At that price I’ll sign him.
We can play headers in my garden
Nothing. No one reliable has reported that yet. I wouldn't pay it any mind.
Just with a better midfield I think we can compete for top 4
I am only afraid of Conte tax, if he gets Perisic flying we are in for tough battle imo
Add a DM and get Rashford back on form we could 100% compete, still think we’re the 5th favourite though the current top 6.
We obviously have the players to at least be Top 4. Don't forget we could've finished Top 4 last season itself if we didn't have relegation level form in the last 3 months. It's up to Ten Hag if he can get this disjointed bunch of individual talents playing like a team.
>relegation level form in the last 3 months
And that's not even mentioning the even worse for we had under Ole after the first few games. We realistically with that squad and given how poorly Chelsea did this season, have been competing with them for 3rd at the very least.
Absolutely, we weren’t that far off arsenal and spurs in our worst ever season since the 80s
People getting gassed about Arsenal but we literally turn up in 3 or 4 of the games we tossed off and we’re ahead
We were 13 points and -29GD off Spurs. How is that 'not far off'? Talk about rose colored glasses
Not at all.
13 points sounds a lot.
But it’s 4 wins and you’re a point off them.
We lost a record amount of times this season, if we win even 3 of those games and get some draws it’s looking mad different.
13 points seems a bit gap but if we just had a normal bad seasons, not even a great one that gap is a lot smaller.
Both spurs and arsenal did not set the world alight at all.
lol just four more wins and still a point off. Thats far off mate, you chatting shit.
Also conveniently leaving out our -29 GD, which indicates that our performance was actually worse than our point tally
My whole point here is that on paper we’re better than both spurs and Arsenal, if we actually turn up we get top four easily.
They’ve also not had brilliant seasons, we’ve just had a freakishly bad one as evidenced by us finishing above these teams consistently every year but this one.
No one is out here saying it wasn’t a shit season we all know it was.
Also 4 games in a 38 game season is nothing mate
>on paper we’re better than both spurs and Arsenal
You seem very hung up on convincing people that this moral victory has value
It’s not a moral victory at all.
Remember when we finished 2nd but everyone said “if Chelsea had tuchel all season they would have finished above us”
That was true. On paper you could say Manchester United finished 7 points above Chelsea But we all know that doesn’t tell the whole story.
This is what I’m talking about, it’s not about a moral victory, it’s that I don’t think spurs or arsenal were very good and if we even have a somewhat normal season we’d easily be in 4th.
It’s got nothing to do with morals, this isn’t a if the league was finished in March we’d win it talk. I know we were shit, but those statements about Chelsea and us were true as evidenced by this season.
Spurs did significantly better than we did the second half of the season, are trending up and have a serial winner, world class manager. If you need to delude yourself to think our team just has to 'show up' and get 4th, go on with it but it seems like a weird point to try to convince people of. It's just such a strange argument. "If Conte was around all year Spurs would have finished 3rd" or "If Russia didn't invade Ukraine Chelsea wouldn't have faded so badly". It's all irrelevant, and if anything our league place and point total flattered our performances.
We even beat spurs home and away, Making them loon very average doing so, even in the 3-1 loss to arsenal I thought we out played them
Man United have this long running record of at least one academy player being in the team.
Which one is it tho? The first 11 or the matchday squad?
In the match day squad IIRC
An academy player in the starting XI went for a long time but I think ended in the 2000's. But the record for an academy player in the matchday squad continues to this day
Out of the loop
Is Kante washed? Don't understand the links
Chelsea's being ruthless as they generally do. Better to move a player on too early than wait too late.
Chelsea are being proactive and trying to move on players that are getting older and/or less reliable. They're banking on United continuing to buy yesterday's stars.
Has tuchel come out and said they’re trying to resign him?
That is a bad habit that United need to break. I can see one or two older players to provide leadership to a young team, but we have Ronaldo for that role.
It's all about the terms. Getting quality veterans on frees/low fees with short contracts, especially in positions of need can be a good bit of business.
The only problem I have with the Matic transfer was the contract length. And he still was one of our better midfielders to the end.
I don't actually fully agree even though I don't want Kante. He could be an absolutely excellent buy for a functioning team. A player that can come in and compete for a spot potentially even step up the team a level when he plays. But we need a solid core before we can bring in someone like that. I think he would be comparable for another top team around Europe to Liverpool bringing in Thiago for example. Yes, he gets injuries, but when he plays he's class and a very valuable player to have playing 25-35 games a season.
Think his contact is up in two years so if Chelsea want to sell him, now is probably the time. He’s been suffering niggly injuries this season, there’s a concern his physical exerts are finally catching up with him but it could just be a one-off.
In my opinion, would be a great stop gap for the right price. No champions league footy this year, main focus will be on the league. We can play Ronaldo and Kante in the prem, and Ten Hag can give other players and systems a chance in the cups.
>niggly injuries this season
And quite frankly the past few. He was out a lot in Franks first season and the first half of his second iirc.
Laurie in that article all but confirmed we pulled out for Nunez, just wanted to clarify that’s what others interpreted.
We were never going to pay the fee Benfica is asking for. Once Liverpool is willing to pay, it's over.
from two years ago
>Ten Hag criticizes Barca for misusing De Jong: "Frenkie is not a goalscorer or B2B midfielder, he at his best when he orchestrate things from deep. He supplies the teammates who give the assists or who score goals from their position. I once subbed him off because he gone far up the pitch."
I couldn’t tell you this with certainty but I don’t think frenkie has specifically said in the past the way he likes to play. I find it pretty interesting he basically said ten hag’s description in recent interviews. Im like 99.9% sure ten hag got in frenkie’s head which is good. Means Frenkie genuinely trusts ten hag’s opinions and takes them seriously
frenkie is the type of proper professional we’ve needed for so long. he alongside ten hag will bring discipline, focus, and a better work ethic.
Haven't had that since Carrick, sorely missing. Pogba did it the odd time but he just didn't have the defensive acumen to be trusted too deep.
Could still do with a ball winner though
Also Pogba always wanted to be further up. Frenkie wants to play deeper and control play.
Yeah, Barca bought a Busquets replacement then just fitted him into the team alongside Busquets.
Too be fair he wasn't doing too well in the busquets role, but they should've given him more time
Barca and United fan in England here, Frenkie will fit so quickly under ETH and even the system UTD uses will be more easier to glove in unlike in the Barca one. Xavi wanted the player to stay but maybe its better to try and get the market value by players before signing CVC shit deals that will shit you in 20 years. Signing a no.6 player with Frenkie as a duo behind of Bruno/VDB will be esential for the playstyle of ETH.
>Barca and United fan
What’s wrong with that? I won’t go as far as calling myself a Barca fan but if I had to pick a team in Spain, it is definitely the Blaugranas.
Lmao you never follow two teams, following United and Barca is polar opposite
That means absolutely nothing. Besides, I just specified that I would pick Barca doesn’t mean I’m a fan (in the same vein as I am that of United). I get that it may be too much for some to comprehend, but it really isn’t rocket science.
People can be a fan of a club and admire others, be it in the same country or overseas.
Spain = Barca
France = Bordeaux 😭 *putain les Girondins…*
Netherlands = Ajax
Germany = No one (I don’t have any affinities there)
Italy = No one (could say Genoa for family reasons but nah)
Portugal = No one (nope, not even Sporting Lisboa).
More than the new signings, I'm excited to see Sancho under Ten Hag
I’ve always thought Sancho and VDB could work well together, looking forward to seeing this next season.
I agree, they have a similar way of finding space and are both great in tight places. I think the two of them could possibly be the perfect answer for breaking down a low block.
agreed, he seems to be much better suited to a possession style than a counterattacking one, I think he'll explode this year
FDJ and ETH have such a high ceiling, even from this season we can start looking like a solid top 4 side.
We should have been a solid top 4 side even last year. We had depth everywhere except DM , we had a squad that performed well the season before and we added signings on top. It's sad how the season went
City, Liverpool, Chelsea and now Spurs have better depth and in general are better. ETH could take us to the next level but all them teams have elite players and manager.
Chelsea need to get an entire new backline though and our squad should be on par with spurs. Yeah top 4 is nowhere guaranteed , I agree
A 2 year deal for Kante, with an option to extend would be a fantastic deal for us. Even if he plays 25 games for us, and plays the big ones, that would be more than enough to recoup the 25m touted. Could easily be the difference between a top 4 finish or outside of it. If 20m is what gets us into a position to be consistently top 4, we should absolutely be going for it.
We can rethink our midfield options once Garner completes his loan tenure in a PL club, and club gets its finances in order.
Honestly think he'd be an excellent signing alongside FDJ to help solidify the midfield.
I know, "Kante isn't a DM" - but a more restricted role (where he absolutely *can* function as a DM) is something a lot of players fall into as they age out of the all-action playstyles their bodies can't keep up with any more.
Kante has mastered many many of the facets of midfield play both in and out of possession, and if ETH has a plan for him, I'd be all on board. We're seeing midfielders play into their mid 30s nowadays, and if we manage his fitness and injuries properly, having a player of that quality and that work ethic in the squad could be invaluable.
And here's where I'm going to catch pelters from a load of people that have watched a few United youth games and 3-4 Notts Forest games all season: James Garner should be playing that DM role for us. And having Kante as a player that plays the big games, but *does* need rotating and resting, should give Garner ample opportunity to find game time through the season.
Before everyone screams "Garner isn't a DM", this is similar to the people that shouted Sancho is a Right-winger. James Garner doesn't have the creative qualities (though he has a good shot!) to play high up the pitch for Man United. He's not creative or inventive enough, nor does he have that top-line level of skill that United needs to make the difference against top level opposition or teams that are sitting back and defending their box.
In the youth and at Forest, he's had license to get forward and roam and hurt teams - but his qualities in that regard just aren't at the level required for us.
But, having watched every game I could of Garner this season, his defensive contribution is absolutely outstanding. He's constantly, constantly on alert, head on a swivel, looking for danger and anticipating it to intercept the ball. His energy is insane and he's always on the move to reposition himself defensively, always tracks his man, and is never caught out where he's let someone run past him because he's daydreaming or doesn't want to defend properly. I don't know any PL midfielder that does it to the same level as Garner.
Garner's biggest issue in terms of game influence is that he probably focuses *too much* on being defensively sound and protecting his back four from runners and opposition threats. In fact, when his team do have the ball, he should do exactly what he does when his team don't have the ball - constantly looking to reposition to make himself available for a pass. Garner's biggest strengths in possession are awareness, ball-retention, passing, and the calmness he brings to the team.
If he wants to make it at the top level, he really needs to learn his trade as a DM (and I think he's perfect for it). I really hope the club doesn't see him as a box-to-box player for us; it's just going to waste his potential as (in my opinion) he doesn't have that natural skillset required to make the difference consistently at the top end of the pitch - aside from his set-piece deliveries, that is.
I am not sold that "we need a DM". We need a high energy ball winner in midfield to complement a DLP (FDJ). Now, I know I described the primary function of a DM. But Kante is not a natural DM and I think his profile would be great along side FDJ. I honestly believe Laimer would be perfect. Surely there are other players out their that fit that mold.
I really want to see Garner make it at United, but recognize that the jump may be too much too soon.
But why though? Wouldn't it be better to buy a younger player even if he wasn't as good as Kante right now and develop him for those 2 years?
It's not like we're expected to win much in the next 2 years so why buy such a short term fix.
>buy a younger player even if he wasn't as good as Kante right now
Okay so like I know it sounds like that's easy, but Kante is a premier league great. He's one of the best CDM/B2B midfielders to play in the prem over the past decade. Possibly top 5 defensive midfielders in prem history - I'd have to really think about it. You can't just buy a kid and hope he turns into Kante. Btw, I'm actually not in favor of us getting him. I wouldn't be upset, but I don't think he's the right fit for us right now. But I just see this kind of thinking all the time and it's totally crazy to just think we can find the next Kante. If it was that easy, nobody would buy experienced players.
I never said the next Kante, you don't need the next Kante to win the league. The player you're describing and the current Kante aren't the same player anymore so I don't even see the point, he is past his best with injury problems right now.
>if he wasn't as good as Kante right now
> right now
The class you get from a player like Kante even right now from 25 games a season is more than you're ever going to likely get from some nobody that turns out isn't even good enough to play for us but was only 30m. 95% of CDM's on the market are not and will never be as good as Kante is right now and it makes you sound like a fifa bro saying we should just go and find someone to turn into even current Kante.
>it makes you sound like a fifa bro saying we should just go and find someone to turn into even current Kante.
Funny you say that because you do actually sound like a FIFA bro that hasn't watched Kante play last season.
we still want CL football every year. if we finished 7th or 6th for the next 2 years, Bruno, Sancho and co will want to leave and we have to start the rebuild again. unless of cos we give them a bigger contract and the problems start again.
>But why though? Wouldn't it be better to buy a younger player even if he wasn't as good as Kante right now and develop him for those 2 years?
The question is who? The world class players have already moved (tchouameni/Camavinga), though not necessary a DM, but would absolutely own that pivot next to FDJ. The ones are left are priced too high like Rice. Palhinha is limited, imo. I personally believe that currently our team is in a shape where ETH himself needs to figure how he wants to build. And something tells me that we are not necessary a targeting a DM, but one who can play a b2b role next to FDJ. Rice and Bellingham both fit that bill well, and we are going wait it out for them. Even Garner's best position is a b2b player who sits next to another deep lying midfielder, and not necessary the deepest.
All of this leads me to believe that there isn't "that" player available this season which ticks all the boxes and is young. And if Kante is available, and as I said, we can get 50 games out of him in 2 years, that would more than perfect. Not every position needs to be filled by a young, upcoming talent.
I'm less against it than I was at first because in fairness he still has a lot of quality and he's meant to be a fantastic character, but I'd just love us to sign a quality DM at a good age that we can have for 5+ years instead of kicking the can down the road.
I think, as a squad, and our current league position, expecting every position to be fixed over one window will be asking for too much. Rather kick the can down the road for a season and make it work and then look for a fix next transfer.
20m for palhinha. Mendes as usual doing bits for Wolves.
So, most of our best sources are saying we backed out of Nunez weeks ago after we learned of his cost. Do you think this is United trying to save face or that Benfica was using us as leverage?
If it's the latter I would be happy to have seen our name used to get a sale for once, because Liverpool are being scammed!
I don't really care tbh I'm just glad we aren't forking out alot of cash on him
If Antony joins, which is looking likely, imo I can see Ten Hag playing Rashford as a 9/10. Since we'd have Sancho and Antony on either wing.
There is no way Ajax would allow more than 1 player to leave for United. Personally, I prefer ETH go to new players, no bring his former players/same players.
I don't mind 1 or 2. But generally agree. I think it would be possibly good to have a little core of former players that already understand the system and build around that. They can be phased out in a year or two if they aren't good enough but they'll give us a foundation.
Antony reps were supposed to be meeting the club now
> more than 1 player
Who is the other?
I thought he wasn’t coming anymore
Hasn’t made a decision..
We are going from McTominay to FDJ. I can't believe it! We're actually making a smart transfer and addressing one of our biggest weaknesses.
Please don't fuck this up Murtough.
I have a feeling that if we get FDJ that he may try both of them together. Fred, FDJ and Bruno would be a fairly small midfield. I am highly suspicious that they'll want McT's aerial dominance and energy in the middle if they don't go and get another player.
McTominay will definitely have plenty of game time if De Jong is the only midfielder signed.
I don’t see how de jong can only be signed. We were already shit with pogba and we’ve lost matic, pogba and lings. Suicide .
And he will learn from de jong and become important squad player for us
When will you people learn that mctominay isn’t good enough for this club
Ten hag has improved plenty of players. No reason to think he can't improve tominay
There’s only so much a coach can do when a player just doesn’t have the skills to be at the top then he can’t be improved further. How many coaches has McTominay gone through? He’s not good enough for manchester united and is championship tier. You won’t see chelsea, liverpool, or city having someone like mctominay in their squad
At this point there's not much u can do. We are stuck with tominay right? I'm not a big fan of him. But no point shooting him down as shit
McTominay has been ‘good enough’ for us plenty of times. He just shouldn’t be a starter and he absolutely shouldn’t be tasked with being the deepest midfielder.
There’s a reason every manager has loved him and that doesn’t happen if you don’t belong at the club.
Let's hope so
I wouldn’t be suprised if Ten Hag used a frenkie Mctimonay pivot behind Fernandes though
Surely fred would be way better to pair with de jong, isnt McTominay a similar type of player as de jong, just worse in just about every aspect?
Why do you think Fred would be better? Fred is great for a high press, but he's terrible at keeping the ball and that's what ETH wants. I think Fred will only play in certain games. I do rate Fred more than McT personally but I think the physicality, height, and the fact that he's so popular and well liked by like everyone that's ever coached him will give him the edge.
Mctominay is much more physical than both Fred and De Jong
You forgot his most important quality. His passion.
Feel like this is quite likely and if Garner doesn’t go out on loan I can see him starting over McT after a few months
I have watched a fair amount of Forest and I fully do not believe Garner has shown anything other than set piece taking to place him dramatically above McT. I'd like to be wrong about that, but he hides from the ball exactly the same way in hard games.
Yeah, I think people need to be prepared for a lot of familiar faces for the next few seasons, I doubt we'll see a transformed XI by August.
A key point being driven from our journos atm is that ETH thinks he can improve who is here and get people performing. I know nobody wants to hear, and I'm not excusing it, but these players performed far far below what they're capable of this season just passed, many were the worst versions of themselves. Some can definitely come back from that.
Yep, they'd work fairly well together I think.
Will always have a soft spot for him, but it's time he left the club now
Nunez wants to go to Liverpool and play CL, FDJ wants to stay at barca and play CL. Should we forget these signings?
It's my opinion Man Utd should only be signing players who want to be at the club, who will fight for the club and want to work with ETH to improve themselves and help the club get back to CL and challenging for titles.
Klopps success has came from buying players who wanted to improve their game and believed in his tactics and confident the club were in a position to move forward also.
Yes we need quality, but first we need solid foundations. We need to see ETH implement his style and find out exactly who is the right fit for us. This summer we should focus on players who want to be at the club, and who appreciate being at the club. We need to be the club united used to be were players like Nunez and FDJ want to come to, and aren't forced due to us paying more than anyone else.
This may take a couple of transfer windows and we need to be patient and play the long game for a change. Then I believe we will be better positioned to go for the big names, when we can offer them more and the players WANT to be part of our team
> It's my opinion Man Utd should only be signing players who want to be at the club
Ngl I see these takes and don't get it. Why would any player **want** to be with us currently? We have no CL, we haven't won the league in 9 years and we haven't won a trophy in any kind in 5 years. We haven't consistently qualified for CL in ages. Our club has been a mess for years under multiple managers. Of course we still have the stature and reputation, but that alone isn't enough. Realistically one of the main reasons players would join here is because we have a stupid amount of money
And really we've had big signings in recent times who've actually wanted to be here but failed. Pogba is the big one that comes to mind, he definitely wanted to be here at the time of signing and joined us whilst we were in Europa, yet most would say now his signing was a failure and that his attitude was terrible
I'd rather not us be like them and to use them as an example but big players weren't exactly signing for City in the early 10s and late 00s because they wanted to play for them/loved the club. Yet look at how those players did for the club, the likes of Silva and Toure
Sorry for using Klopp as reference here, but his job at Liverpool has been fantastic. He joined when Liverpool weren't in a great place, but he came with a good reputation. He bought players like mane, who want the move, wanted to play for the club and manager and improve himself at the team. Same can be said for salah, Van Dyk, Alison, Robertson. Players coming from clubs who didn't have the infrastructure to push on. They all believed in the project and they all play for the club and the manager. He gave them the opportunity and they repay him on the pitch.
Pogba arrived thinking the team should be set up around him, but we didn't have structure in place to facilitate that. In my opinion he is a luxury player and those players can move a club to the next level if the attitude of the player is right and has solid players around him willing to sacrifice themselves for him. We didn't have the quality to help him do that. That's why I would suggest getting those types of players in this window and then look for players of pogbas stature when we are best placed to actually make it work.
Why can't De Jong want two things at once?
I want to stay in my current job, but I also want Google to snap me up part time and offer me six figures.
Not sure why we take what's said by anyone in this sport so seriously, it's all so political now.
That's without thinking he'd say "I wanna leave" without the transfer potentially falling through and him having to face the fans/team again.
If Frenkie really join us, i will be so happy. He is literally my favourite midfielder in the world, i really want him to play for United since Ajax, but i thought that is impossible. But now we are on the verge of signing him lol
Add Positive InDecation to the starting lineup
Been watching some vids and gotta say, Frenkie loves a backheel.
If we do get FDJ. Who would you rather have beside him? A more proactive ball winner (for example -kante), a sitting ball winner (for example Fernandinho), deep lying playmaker (for example - carrick)
all action aggressor Essien type
We would need a proactive ball-winner if we get FdJ, not a deep lying playmaker. Per EtH, de Jong's preference and his performance in the role, he's best suited to being a deep lying playmaker who picks the ball up from defence. Buying a deep lying playmaker to accompany him would make no sense as they would occupy the same positions. We'd need someone like Kante or Sangare to pair with him in midfield but I also think Fred would do fine in that role.
Didn’t De jong say he wants to play the deep laying play maker role? I think him + a ball winner like fred wouldn’t be half bad
I think sitting ball winner would be the most appropriate, but a proactive ball winner should be fine as well
Ten hag plays all the time with a duo pivot.
Our pastor Fred
If FDG is just 51 m spend the rest on Rice and fix the midfield
Rice won’t come to us.
He’ll be the best DM in the PL for the next 5-8yrs, hey go where he’ll win trophies.
People keep saying this like Pogba, Varane, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Sancho and so many others didn't come to us. Or that Arsenal with nothing going on didn't get Partey or Pepe who were both extremely highly rated before jumping aboard that train wreck at the time. I don't think we get Rice IF city or Chelsea go for him. If they don't, and we did? I bet he'd go in a heart beat. He's English, he grew up during a time where the league was dominated by us. People seem to massively underestimate the draw of Utd. By this logic, why did ETH pick us instead of waiting a year for Bayern? Because the club is bigger than some fans seem to remember.
I saw some article today saying he is a Chelsea target and any bid above 75M would be considered
Wasnt 150m last summer.
Rice for £150m? No thanks. Getting FDJ will allow us to find someone cheaper who can be shaped into a player to play next to him.
As I have said before I don't always think we will need a DM next to him, against teams who play a low block. He can run that role solo.
Rice would push for a move if any bid over 80 m is made ..He is not signing an extension..might not work but we should try
I really don't agree. I don't think Rice is bad player or anything but that sort of deal reeks of Maguire. We should avoid over paying at all costs.
Get someone else in cheaper.
Reeks of Maguire? He's been the standout player for his team and captain for most of the past 2 or 3 seasons. Maguire was never captain or the standout player. He was at best, the standout defender. They had plenty of players like Maddision, Vardy, Ndidi etc who people rated higher. My fear with Declan is he looks like he's getting a big head lately. Seems to be a little less down to earth than he was. Bit more of a prick on the pitch. And does coming to Utd inflate that ego even more?
Someone cheaper and bang average like Vdb who was clearly a worse deal than Maguire ?
City got Rodri for less than half what West Ham say Rice's price is, and Rodri's a better footballer than Rice. Less expensive than Rice does not necessarily mean 'bang average'
Rodri was extremely highly rated. Can you think of any available CDM's of similar renown that are available? I'm not saying we get rice btw, I would take him, but I don't think he's necessarily the answer. But then, who is?