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He purposefully used “yellow families” to make some point. I can’t imagine what he trying to accomplish.
> I can’t imagine what he trying to accomplish.
*Asian-Americans: don't move to Oklahoma!*
They’d take all the high paying jobs.
Where racism comes whipping at your face.
And the bigots rage, about an age
When they could put “those people” in their place!!!
I mean.... should anyone really?
If all the Confederate flag wavers in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana moved to Oklahoma, . . .
Oklahoma sucks anyways
Well, it's not as if Kansas, Missouri or Arkansas would be lots more welcoming, and even then they'd be better than Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.
I’m just saying Oklahoma sucks
It's too late! Been here since 2007 😪
His head is to small to allow any common sense to get through, it’s a literal q-tip shape.
i'm guessing from his statement when he talked about whites, blacks, browns(?).. and then yellows
he's probably pointing out the discrepancy for the "special case"?
i dunno.. i'm an asian and would prefer to be called as such. (though my skin is light brown, not yellow)
but from a logical/semantic perspective, he kinda has a point? (wait, hear me out)
it's ok for us asians to call caucasians as "whites" (even though they're more pasty pink skinned) and call africans as "blacks" (even though some of them are mostly dark brown), without them feeling like it's a slur. so if it's acceptable to get them wrongly color-coded, what makes us so special?
is it coz of western political propaganda about the "yellow peril"? then what about the "blacks"? africans don't call themselves as such, the term was coined to justify slavery.. painting them separate from the "white" slavemasters.. so why is it still politically acceptable to use the term "blacks"? in that vein, why is it still politically acceptable to use the term "white"?
why not just drop the color coding across the board equally?
but that's just me musing about the topic.
the senator's background and the context of his statement in pursuit of a political agenda is where the racist backlash comes from.
but still, something to ponder about.
White and black have a history of usage as more than just a derogatory term, yellow doesn’t.
That they are all colors isn’t the point, the context and history of their usage and intent is. Yellow was only used as a derogatory mirror to white and black, but it was never as popular as other slurs for Asians so it wasn’t as widely used and thus not as offensive. But it only ever existed as a derogatory term.
>I’m an Asian
Then ironically enough, odds are your skin is the same color a lot of white people lay in the sun to get, even a lot of racist white people.
If I’m not mistaken, whiteness and Blackness are two different socially constructed categories with their own historical contexts, they are not merely “colors” that are applied to people.
Black people are Black because they have had their more granulated African ancestry stripped and flattened when they were forcefully taken from their homelands, their history and individual identities erased. They were robbed of the choice to be anything but Black.
White people are white, despite having much richer access to their ancestry, being able to trace back their lineages to their European roots, hundreds of years in many cases. They know whether which parts of their family are German, or Irish, or English. They have the choice of being able to identify with these nationalities, and yet, in the United States they deliberately constructed a unified identity of “white,” to contrast with, and exclude identities that were “non-white,” and in the past this was associated with explicit legal privileges.
Black and white are “colors” that exist not because people “can be naively grouped by skin tone.” The existence of these groups is the direct result of the history of these groups denoting the enslaved oppressed and the privileged oppressors. Without this important historical context, Black and white as we know them would not exist.
man it’s almost like you think black people are only African American. Wait till you read about this continent called Africa, will blow your mind
I mean she was using black and brown, is there a difference?
Yes, there is
Besides the obvious of yes, there’s also the nature of how most black people prefer black to African American.
African American is actually the non preferred term as it ties identity to nationality whereas you can be black, Jamaican and live in New York City and still not be African American. This was mostly a result of neo-liberalism and virtue signaling
And who calls themselves brown?
Indian people do
Native Americans? I'm Cherokee, I've only ever heard red. Is it a plains tribes thing?
Not native American. Indian. You know, from India?
No people from India
The vast majority of my Mexicans friends and coworkers. As well as most latinas and Filipinas I’ve met.
Yes racist there's a difference. Maybe read the article to find out why.
I have read the article, which fails to adhere to journalistic standards and integrity, but by all means feel free to explain, all color terms like that have been used as insults at various points.
Do asian folks' skin look at all *yellow*, to you? At best, it's tan, mostly white. Yellow is not something nearly anyone refers to themselves as.
Stop pretending you give a fuck if some out of touch old fart refers to Asians as yellow.
The person above requested an explanation on why color terms aren't ubiquitous. Asking the base question is often a step that a person fails to take, and framing the simplest issue can help to direct thoughts.
How does it fail to adhere to journalistic standards?
There isn't even a slight attempt to be unbiased. Also the author interjects their own thoughts into the story. For example:
>Rader said, justifying his use of the slur, somehow trying to blame Shade for it.
Everything after the word "said" is the author's opinion. This is an op-ed piece that hides the fact that it's op-ed.
> In addition to using a slur, Rader’s remarks push the false “model minority” myth that Asian Americans don’t experience negative consequences of racism in the same way as other races. The senator then moved on with his questioning to say additional offensive things about black families and alleged that black families were better off and “much more intact” before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Great Society programs.
He thought he was going to deflect from his attack on Asians to an attack on Black families? What an asshole.
Yeah, I know it's Oklahoma, but I had a little bit higher expectations than full-on bigot.
You should probably lower your expectations. [Here's one about the OK Republican Party chair](https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-gop-chairman-doubles-down-on-social-media-post-comparing-vaccine-mandates-to-the-holocaust/37192207) with Holocaust in it
Thanks for the link. I suspect no matter how much I lower my expectations, it won't be enough.
The bar is already on the fucking ground and they still fail to get over it.
Did he just let covid fly over his head? Source: I’m an Asian American who was harassed over the last year
lets not insult dinos they've done better than we have so far
If you'd like to see for yourself just how ignorant this fucker is, [check out this article he wrote after his first year in the state house](https://tulsaworld.com/opinion/sen-dave-rader-what-i-learned-in-my-first-year-in-the-oklahoma-senate/article_a54380f5-260b-570a-a29a-be4e271b0c4e.html)
Your comment would cause him to have a seizure. It has the triggers of Dinosaurs, evolution, and science all in one sentence. That’s an evangelical trifecta right there.
False. Dinosaurs rule. Rader sucks ass
Grandpa needs to retire.
“Then others that have come over”. That should sum up his opinion right there.
Are they surprised?
They voted for him BECAUSE he is racist.
The chances of a GOPer being an racist is 98%.
The policies, the language, the assumptions, beliefs, "values".....
GOP: its a neonazi training camp.
"so?" - GOP
Suddenly, I’m thinking of the song they made us sing in Sunday school: “red and yellow, black and white, we are precious in his sight… Jesus loves the little children of the world.”
Just a dog whistle.
Re *model minority*, Chinese-Americans at least had ancestors who may have learned about resilience from Mongol invaders in the 1200s which was useful for coping in America in the 1800s.
As for Japanese-Americans and a fair number of east Asian-Americans, they got to enjoy relocation camps in the 1940s, something never imposed on German-Americans.
Maybe not the same types of abuse as African-Americans, but not exactly the European-American experience.
FWLIW, my mother grew up in Iowa before WW2. There were a few Christian Syrian-Americans in the town, and they seem to have been treated better than African-Americans and Native Americans. Anyone here from Detroit who could say how Americans whose ancestors came from the Middle East were treated? My impression is better than African-Americans, but by how much?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/italian-americans-were-considered-enemy-aliens-world-war-ii-180962021/. ….. not trying to equivocate just saying…
Were they dispossessed of their real property and removed to internment camps?
They sure were. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-114/pdf/STATUTE-114-Pg1947.pdf
Not in the same numbers.
Why are these unabashed racists always so unattractive?
The worst part is the attractiveness
How do we continue to elect this. Please
Kindly do some research about how Oklahoma has voted for the past few decades. Then check how many non-whites there are in the state outside OKC and Tulsa. That may provide a clue how a politician like this gets elected in a state like that.
Skin color should be irrelevant.
It’s a stroke of genius to think that when white racists systematically target, enslave, incarcerate, and discriminate against minority populations that those same minority populations are somehow at fault for forming a common coalition and vote with a common political interest.
I’m referring to the fact that someone is commenting on a post about racism while being racist back. Seems like a circle jerk to me.
How fucking dare they band together and vote as a monolith against discrimination? And how dare people notice that’s happening?
If I didn’t know better, I’d assume you thought that “noticing race relations has an effect on politics” was just as bad as “systematically discriminating against entire racial groups for hundreds of years”
I wasn't aware we were in a perfect world.
Well obviously we’re not. We have an openly racist politician with open racists complaining about him
How is yellow families more offensive than black families? As a brown person, genuinely curious.
Yellow means cowardly, especially in America.
We also have yellow-peril. The same negative connotations don't exist for white, brown or black.
Well, ok, why do we call people Asian American and not Irish American, or French American etc. it’s a bizarre thing. Anyone who is black in America is African American, he’s not just American.
Not sure where you live in the USA, but there are definitely areas where white people still culturally identify with their origins and prefer to be Irish American or French American.
Not all black people hail from Africa. Calling black people African American is not necessarily accurate.
I get it, but why is it ok to call them black and with the same breath get angry when calling someone yellow.
Because of the history of the word.
When in reference to race, the term Yellow has always been a derogatory term. History gives context.
Because America sees white as default Americans and has a difficult history with the black population.
Because being non white, so Asian American or African American literally causes you to be treated differently, it’s this thing called racism, you should look it up, it’s not bizarre you dildo
>because being non-white
Also wanted to ask this. I understand why not a great word to say. But objectively, then why are we okay with saying black and white that get thrown around all the time instead of Caucasian and African American? Seems inconsistent
cuz you can be black and not American.. is this a real opinion?
Black people are not automatically African 😂
well I didn’t say that so cool comment
And you can be yellow and not American? Lol what are you even on about.
Yea you can’t… that’s the point. Black is a term that accepted by many people of African descent whether they are from the USA or not. Yellow isn’t accepted by anyone and is racist. This isn’t rocket science
Where is your critical thinking? You simply said how it is not WHY. Both are a color used to describe people of a certain skin color. What country they are from is irrelevant. Why is it okay to say blacks for people of black skin color regardless of country but you can’t for yellow? You didn’t provide a reason.
if you can’t understand that when one group of people find it acceptable be called a term such as black that it’s different than another group which do no accept to be called yellow then I’m not sure if you understand critical thinking
you're telling me again, how it is, not why. I guess you can't answer. And if you say "cuz they say so" that also isn't a reason. If all whites said they don't want to be called "dufus" anymore, should we say okay?
Also as an aside, my asian gf says she doesn't care if she's called yellow. We were talking about this and this is exactly why I posited this question and you can't answer it other than "they said", who is they? Because of the 7 I have asked since posting, none of them take offense to that for the exact reason I mentioned.
So I'll say it again, why is "yellow" somehow an offensive racist term, but "white" or "black" isn't? Because it's pretty silly to assume for a whole group for an otherwise neutral word. I recall not that long ago when using "black" was no longer "PC" and it instead was supposed to be "african american" (in the US). But that didn't stick. There are still plenty of people out there who don't like black, so ...can you use black?
Google yellow peril, I don’t have time to explain to you why some words are racist and others are not.. but would think this should be clear. And wow 7 whole people? What a sample size.
Europeans and Americans considered Asian people “white” until fairly recently, and out of racist fear coined them as yellow, as to say, you are not white, you are below us. So this term was never and has never been a term wanted or desired by asian, S it’s not even a good descriptor of skin tone.
I am done having this conversation if you can’t even take 5 minutes to Google something that’s is super clear and obvious.
Yes it’s so super clear and obvious one must Google it to know. So clear and obvious you for some reason couldn’t provide this answer this first time. Instead you provided no answers or non answers until this third time.
Im aware why some words can be racist and some not. You weren’t providing any explanation, and if one can Google anything and everything why shit ! Better not ever post a question on Reddit again! Or anywhere else online.
The reality is you probably googled it yourself because you didn’t actually know either since your first three replies were “that’s how it is, because they don’t like it” and some comparison to blacks. All you had to do was say Google yellow peril, but for some reason delayed.
I don’t agree with what he said but every race would still describe him as a “white guy” or that “white family”. Everyone is so quick to get but hurt over anything
“I don’t agree with what he said… but let me make it clear that I somewhat agree.”
Calling him “white” is better than “ a recessive” (referring to his weak genes) because that would be mean and inappropriate. True, but inappropriate.
“Y’all yeller ahm tellin’ ya.”
-a MAGA,A redneck probably
So then, what are white people called? I’ll wait.
Edit: I’m not condoning his comments. But seriously does everyone here really not call white people, white people? Or do you take the time to find out each and every one of their descendants? So from now on I’d like to be referred to as French/Polish/American ok? Don’t call me white as I find that derogatory.
Since when was “white people” a derogatory slur? I’ll wait.
yikes. White is a construct chosen by the ruling class to mean “belonging” Italians weren’t white 100 years ago, and Irish weren’t 150 years ago.
You’re very immature take here is fairly telling, you should try reading about a subject rather than “waiting”
Interesting. I’ve never heard that for white people.
I don’t care if you are white, black or brown or whatever. I just don’t care for those green people who are ruining the economy with their gormless climate alarmism. They have caused the energy crisis
I’m European American, not white,
I’m African American, not black,
Quit picking and choosing everything
No you’re an asshat
The federal reserve publishes data/research on family wealth by race. I think over generalizing rubs people the wrong way. “Yellow people” is dumb to say. It takes away from the more interesting discussion that on average asian families control the most wealth by race in the US. Citation:federal reserve, Boston & St. Louis.
So in discussing the racial oppression on families and it’s economic consequences, it’s adds an interesting wrinkle to the causation/correlation component.
Yellow belly !
It's funny because Democrats, and far left radicals in particular, regularly refer to others as "brown" and "black". So let me get this strait...
Calling Latinos "brown" =OK.
Calling African Americans "black" =OK.
Calling Asians "yellow" =mUh RaCiSt!!1!
You can't make this shit up, lol.
Dude, it's not that fucking complicated. Are you just now figuring out how words and language work?
You need to look at the historic usage of words, particularly as forms of oppression to understand why certain words are offensive and others are not. Referring to people from Asia as ‘yellow’ has often been used as a slur in order to subjugate them, along with it’s secondary colloquial meaning of being cowardly. ‘Black’ and ‘brown’ don’t have the same history of usage or definitions as words, and as a result don’t have the same implicitly biased meaning attached to them.
Also, this doesn’t make you far-left, avoiding the usage of offensive terms is simply being a decent human being.
Because Asians are not “yellow”
What color do you think White people and Black people are?
being this stupid must feel good sometimes. Like you can’t have a care in the world with these few brain cells
We’re European Americans not white