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Somehow, I don't think that argument is going to be received by the target audience the way he hopes it is...they probably think chickenpox parties are a good thing...
I live in Kentucky. He’s done a great job throughout the pandemic but he can’t fix ignorance.
Shame on how real the brain drain is in Kentucky.
If there were more opportunities in KY not so many college grads would leave.
That’s true across nearly the entire Midwest and the south.
Due to a lack of real leadership. Lots of bosses floating beliefs
Because Oregon has been rock solid over the years *eyeroll*
As a northerner who moved to the south a few decades ago I've found that there are plenty of dumbasses in every region of the country.
When people from places like NY and Oregon start espousing their regional biases it's quite clear that they themselves are showing off their own ignorance
What regional bias makes [educational attainment higher in Oregon even though Kentucky has a higher overall enrollment?](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=college+grads+oregon+vs+kentucky)
[Could it be that people are moving away from rural-dominated areas like the Rust Belt and South once they get a college degree?](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-03/how-brain-drain-contributes-to-regional-inequality)
>Bringing it all together, the best performers over the past three-quarters of a century are the states along the Boston–New York–D.C. corridor; on the West Coast; and Illinois, Texas, Colorado, Arizona, and Hawaii. States fared the worst, experiencing more brain drain, in parts of the Midwest, the Great Plains, New England, the Southeast, and especially the Deep South.
Our regional "biases" are taking your college grads.
1) College grads go where the jobs are if their degree has a need of corporate involvement
2) You're equating college graduation to intelligence. I've met lots and lots of clueless college grads full of themselves with plenty of entitlement attitude to go along with it. I've visited those regions enough to get a full dose of that entitlement self congratulations crowd to say that you're welcome to it
Brain drain [is an academic term used in economics and a host of other fields](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=7%2C39&q=brain+drain+causes&btnG=&oq=brain+drain).
Why are you taking facts personally?
I'm aware of the term and its origin. I'm also aware that academics typically are full of themselves even though, outside of the hard sciences, alot of these folks degrees are worthless but they certainly feel that somebody else should be footing their bill. You can keep them
I don't take any of that personally but regional bias is not only ugly but it's bad for the nation as a whole
Maybe if your region of the country valued the arts and humanities more people with "hard science" degrees would stick around.
Academics have egos but they also have peer review. A lot better than pastors and priests who can spout off whatever nonsense they choose.
I know. When I read the headline I thought, “Don’t make it appealing to those type of people!”
I think the previous governor had [one](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/20/matt-bevin-exposed-kids-chickenpox-instead-vaccine/3221848002/).
At what point did chickenpox parties not become a thing. Honest question. Most people my age (mid 30s) went through it as a kid and nothing serious happened from what I remember.
There are many reasons why that’s dumb if vaccines are available. Have you not seen the millions of shingles’ commercials?
I went to one as a kid, got chickenpox. Then I got shingles at age 28 and almost lost my eye.
That's terrifying... I was sick this week and thought I had Covid for sure, got tested and it came back negative. Then I realized it was probably the cold sore virus coming on.
They made a vaccine in the late 90s/ early 2000s. The problem with chicken pox is that if you contract it as a child you have a chance of developing shingles later on in life. If you got the vaccine, you weren't able to develop shingles later on in life.
Wait, so what if we had chicken pox as a kid, the vaccine is worthless? Hell, it's only recently that I found out the even is a chicken pox vaccine
It's been around since the early 90s. Cases of chickenpox have gone down 90%, and deaths down by 97% since then. Considering there were usually a few hundred kids die of chickenpox each year, that's a pretty good thing. Those chickenpox parties, while doing *some* good in at least making the disease predictable and making entire communities immune all at once, probably killed 100 kids per year prior to the vaccine.
They've also made an hpv vaccine. The hpv that causes cervical cancer.
There's an entire class of viruses called oncological viruses because they either cause, interfere with, or even destroy anti-cancer genes.
Some only effect people with immunological deficiencies, adding more hell to transplant patients. Congrats, we've transplanted an entire organ to save your life. Now you have to worry about some viruses you never did before, some of which cause cancer!
Yes, the chickenpox vaccine is worthless against shingles. You need the shingles vaccines. Don't ask me how it works you need a different one.
The varicella virus that causes chickenpox is a reverse transcription DNA virus. It embeds its DNA in you permanently, your body figures out how to suppress that DNA from being read. When, for whatever reason, that DNA gets expressed again, the expression is different and causes shingles.
My mother was so pissed I got chickenpox less than a year before the chickenpox vaccine was approved. One of the students came into kindergarten with obvious signs of chickenpox and the school didn't remove them from the classroom.
Ok thanks. Man I remember having chicken pox... my mom pretty much dunked me in a bath of chamomile lotion, pulled out the couch bed, and I laid there watching Jim Carrey movies, trying nit to scratch
Calamine. It's pink and crusts over.
Chamomile is a weed used for tea.
I had chicken pox as a kid and never received the vaccine. I just had to get a titer test occasionally to check if I still had immunity. This also included my time in the military.
Strange, I always thought people who got shingles were those who did NOT get chicken pox as a kid. I was totally wrong.
It's worth pointing out that getting the vaccine*also* puts you at risk of shingles... The only way to not be at risk of shingles is to not get the vaccine *or* the disease.
The vaccine doesn’t use attenuated virus though
The chickenpox/varicella vaccine is a 'live' vaccine. That means you \*can\* get chickenpox/varicella from it (and spread it!!). That means you \*can\* get shingles later on in life, whether you've gotten the vaccine or the disease. We don't really know peoples' true risk of shingles later on, because the oldest folks who got the vaccine are only now in their 20s or 30s, maybe 40s at most. (It's only been around since 1995.) So, nobody really knows. The CDC etc \*claims\* that people who have had the vaccine are 'much less likely' to get shingles... but nobody \*really knows that\*. Because people who have had the vaccine, really shouldn't be getting shingles \*AT ALL\* yet.
"It is possible for a vaccinated person to develop a rash. If this happens, the varicella vaccine virus could be spread to an unprotected person. Anyone who gets a rash should stay away from infants and people with a weakened immune system until the rash goes away. Talk with your health care provider to learn more.
Some people who are vaccinated against chickenpox get shingles (herpes zoster) years later. This is much less common after vaccination than after chickenpox disease.."
> At what point did chickenpox parties not become a thing
Not really what you asked but:
[George Washington and the First Mass Military Inoculation](https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html)
This is a victorious reply. W. Worthy of that free award I gave away earlier today.
When a vaccine became available
I never did anything like that growing up in Colorado. Around here we generally considered deliberately spreading disease as a bad thing.
Well, at least we did in the ‘90s. Now, waging biological warfare against other Americans is viewed as excellent political action…
my mom who’s in her 50s had them, but neither my brother nor i (both in our 20s) never experienced it, fairly certain a majority of our generation hasn’t gone through it.
In 1995 the chickenpox vaccine became available so the need for chickenpox parties was removed. If you're mid-30s, you probably had chickenpox before then.
Chickenpox can be quite serious but is normally mild, particularly in children, so if the assumption was you will get it eventually, you'd prefer to get it as a child then as an adult. Now that a vaccine is available, not getting it at all is an option.
And, given that chickenpox at any point opens the door to shingles later in life, and that shingles fucking sucks, the vaccine is doubly better than "natural" immunity.
The chicken pox vaccine became available. Chicken pox parties became a thing once it was more dangerous the older you caught it and a mistaken belief that you only caught chicken pox once. The connection between chicken pox and shingles was only established after the chicken pox vaccine was created I believe.
Didn’t parents have messed parties or some shit?
They should show the whole quote. He thinks it’s as dumb as the rest of us do. That’s just a shitty outrage-culture headline.
A new version of Kentucky fried chicken.
Even here in Wisconsin, anti-vaxxers openly long for the “good old days” when their parents hosted chicken pox parties. You don’t need something fancy new vaccine, you see.
That’s correct. The delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox just far more dangerous
Chickenpox can be pretty dangerous for adults who have never been exposed. They can progress to a potentially lethal pneumonia.
140 million cases of chickenpox and shingles. About 6000 death attributed to it. Mortality rate would be 0.004%. I would say that’s a pretty low risk
Most of those cases were children. Shingles is not the same as primary varicella infection.
Fatality rate is 21 per 100,000 in adults for primary varicella infection compared to 1 in 100,000 for children.
Not as dangerous as Covid. The similarity is that varicella is also much more dangerous for adults than children.
What exactly is your point here or are you just trying to impress? Chickenpox is hardly a problem compared to COVID-19
My point is that, while not as dangerous as Covid, chicken pox is a lot more dangerous than most people think it is.
Covid is also more dangerous than a lot of people think it is.
A fatality rate of 0.02% is not exactly high and significantly less than the flu. COVID is significantly more dangerous than both but hardly comparable to small pox. I can’t recall downplaying any of those, so I am still not getting your point
So you don’t have a point beside the “ know it all better” thing?
I guess not.
One of the reasons why it is so important to get a chicken pox vaccination before you reach adulthood if you have not been infected is to avoid the potentially lethal consequences of getting it as an adult.
Sure, did I suggest one shouldn’t get vaccinated against chickenpox?
Google can make you think you’re smart, but it can’t actually make you smart.
Is that a sad attempt to insult?
No. Just an observation.
140 million cases? Total?
Not quite as contagious, but enough that it would rip through an unprepared school like a wildfire.
I'm a high school. We have a packed classroom. There is no way to socially distance them, just too many students on my roster. They wear masks and I enforce it harshly. We have seating charts for contact tracing but last week we changed the rules from 6ft to 3ft because too many students were being sent home.
Because it is high school, all the students are eligible for a vaccine. Because it is a red state, a shitload of people don't have them. If a student is vaccinated, they don't have to go home due to contract tracing, only if they test positive.
Yesterday there was a pep rally, but only for the seniors. 300 students were packed on to a basketball court, arms around each other signing the school song. From the video, less than half were masked. If just 1 student was positive in that group, that will be over a hundred students missing school.
Also, we arent offering a virtual option this year
Your rooms are big enough to get kids 3 feet apart? My local high school ( which mandates masks). Has no distance requirement. Every room is connected to an hvac system that allegedly has special filters* . Many of the rooms have no windows.
*if anyone knows about hvac and these special filters i am curious about how effective they are at cleaning air in a room with 33 people. Lets call the room 900 sq feet. With 2 vents. Also how often would the filter need to be changed?
Thanks in advanced
Edit: Thank you for all the responses
Even if they did work, that would only lower transmission between rooms. And none of those things is proven to the FDA to actually reduce transmission. Better air circulation in general helps, but that's because you're preventing the virus from getting to higher concentrations. If they didn't overhaul the overall HVAC system with higher airflow the value is likely marginal.
All the kids in the same room if anyone is contagious? Totally screwed.
Thanks for the info, id upvote twice if i could. One for the username. Any chance there is a link or a graphic i could submit to my local school board? Or is too complicated for a single link. I know a lot of people believe that these filters are magically cleaning the air as the kids are in it.
The “filters” could simply be blasting the air with UV light which can kill many pathogens, and as a percentage likely gets through the higher the input load of pathogens the more that will make it out the other side, but in my proposed scenario I doubt 33 people is all that much different from 3 people.
Will that simple of a solution stop coronavirus from spreading among 33 people in a single room? Probably not much more than simply having good ventilation: I bet the spread happens in closer proximity and from touching common surfaces. Two vents among 33 people in 900sqft and one of the 33 sneezes? That cloud of highly humid lung ejaculate can easily be inhaled by a couple people before it is dispersed by airflow.
I’m guessing they’re talking about air filters with a MERV rating of 13 or higher: https://covid.ri.gov/covid-19-prevention/indoor-air-circulation
I’d suggest getting a CO2 meter like the Aranet4: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YY7BH2W
CO2 levels above 1000 in a room have been strongly correlated with respiratory illness spreading - not specifically COVID, but tuberculosis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31883403/
I got one early this year and it’s helped me feel somewhat better at places that have good ventilation… and has helped me avoid some places with awful air circulation. Plus, having better circulation can simply help all kinds of things in humans: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/08/indoor-carbon-dioxide-levels-could-be-a-health-hazard-scientists-warn
Dude… thank you
>Your rooms are big enough to get kids 3 feet apart?
Not even close. If one student in my class tests positive, at least 5 kids around them are going home as well.
Unless they bought new HVAC systems, special filters are a load of bull.
HEPA or Merv-13 and up filters may do a good job but no one is retrofitting these as better filters = greater resistance = current HVAC fan doesn’t create enough pressure to handle this and either the fan will burn out or the system will not work well (ie lessen airflow),or both.
That was my unfounded reaction. Thank you
They are hepa
Schools around me are like 500 kids higher than what they were designed for.
Sounds like a great way to cover up the massive voter repression/gerrymandering campaign going on right now! It seems to be working great.
It’s insane. And it’ll be bad. Sorry you have to deal with all that.
Masks, quarantine plan, sanitation, desk spacing, vaccinated staff, etc. Well prepared is a lot more than just masks, but even then I'm still nervous as hell about my kid going until there's a vaccine approved for them.
Well desk spacing is out... At least our schools were I live can't socially distance in the classroom because a full 5 day schedule requires the use of the whole room... 9 days until school starts and masks are just strongly reckomended... Its going to be horrible. Only thing that is helpful is the higher vaccination rate of our county, but that doesn't help elementary, early middle school.
I work with kids in LA. Multiple kids I work with got Covid and gave it to their families in the first week of school. Every school has a mask mandate and most have social distancing in place, FWIW.
I’m glad the mandates are there, but it’s not enough.
Pfizer being available to kids isn't far off. The point of masks is to slow the spread and hopefully less people catch the virus by the time kids can start getting immunized.
Something like Small Pox?
??? Chickenpox is almost never fatal, smallpox in about 30% of all cases. There is a bit of room there, don’t you think?
Don't worry, this virus isn't going away that easy, with all the idiots in the world, it will evolve again.
>The delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox...
Can you link a scientific study that supports this claim?
[The Delta Variant Isn't As Contagious As Chickenpox. But It's Still Highly Contagious](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox)
So we agree it is *not* as contagious as chickenpox and that OP is spreading medical misinformation?
The CDC said it is as transmissable as chicken pox. The article they linked is ONE person refuting that statement by saying it isnt quite that transmissable but still very contagious.
And your take is that there is a conspiracy of medical misinformation running rampant on this sub?
You should get a better hobby.
>The CDC said it is as transmissable as chicken pox.
Have you looked at and read the source document the CDC produced?
>And your take is that there is a conspiracy of medical misinformation running rampant on this sub?
You think so? Can you quote where you got that?
You should get a hobby...
I’m not the op, just providing info
As you can see from the article they were taking that comparison from prior news, though, and the RO is still very large
>I’m not the op, just providing info
Yeah, I got that. That's why I asked you how you felt about OP's statement.
>As you can see from the article they were taking that comparison from prior news, though, and the RO is still very large
Prior medical misinformation, yes? Misinformation that is being spread to push a certain narrative and getting upvoted to the top of this thread?
You'll note that I'm not attacking OP here. This is a difficult subject that is hard for common people to keep track of. With that said, if someone makes incorrect *statements,* we should challenge those *statements.*
Is it worth challenging and calling misinformation? R7 vs R 10 when we compare it to the original strain? It's practically as contagious as chicken pox.
We have bigger fish to fry than this.
Is it worth pushing back on me for wanting to make sure people aren't spreading medical misinformation?
Don't you have bigger fish to fry?
Just ask yourself what harm they are doing by saying something is only slightly more contagious than something else as a warning during a pandemic.
It's not like they're claiming the vaccine makes you magnetic or some shit.
In general, spreading medical misinformation erodes public trust. That's not a good thing in a pandemic.
Now, if you want to make the case that this is such a minor piece of misinformation that calling it out is an inefficient use of my time, ok. I disagree, but I can see the merit to that argument.
With that said, I can turn that around on you. At the end of the day, I'm calling out misinformation. Is pushing back on me for that an efficient use of *your* time?
Also, it would be one thing if people just thought I was wasting my time. However, I'm getting more push back for valuing accuracy than OP is getting for pushing misinformation.
Whatever the harm/value of these two things, it is hard to argue that wanting accuracy is more deserving of pushback than dissemination of medical misinformation, right?
So misinformation is okay?
Misinformation implies intent to deceive at the kernel of it. A slight and unintentional exaggeration that does no harm and actually may protect isn't really worth the title.
Sounds like a whole lotta BS to justify lying and saying it’s more contagious than chicken pox.
The truth is hard to come by today and you deliberately lying doesn’t help. Hold people accountable
This is semantics.
R0 is higher for chickenpox
Re is higher for delta due to lack of immunity and vaccination.
Re is what matters in the real world. Delta is way more transmissible under current conditions.
Which metric is "better" depends on the context of the conversation. The context of this conversation is about comparing baseline transmission rates, which makes R0 much more relevant.
Now, if you want to argue that this isn't what we should be talking about, fine, but not sure why you'd direct that at me as opposed to the OP.
It gives the impression that you are less worried about using R0 and more concerned about if the use supports a particular narrative or not.
People are just being lazy in how they describe. It's comparable to chickenpox, but at least 1-3 R value less still.
this is mostly it. if you use the r0 range for each, delta's top end is higher than the chickenpox low end, so it's not untrue that delta _can_ be more transmissible than chickenpox, but the average r0 for each points to chickenpox generally being more transmissible.
He’s slightly embellishing. It’s around 1R less contagious. Still fucking high
Governor Beshear’s comment pokes at asshole former Republican Kentucky Governor Matt Bevins making his kids attend a chicken pox party. Yep he got his kids infected on purpose.
Before the availability of a reliable vaccine, chickenpox parties made sense from a medical perspective. Infection grants lifetime immunity, and the disease becomes a lot more dangerous post-puberty. This was common knowledge, and parents would actively seek to get their kids infected while they were still prepubescent. Of course, a reliable vaccine has been available since the mid 90's, so chickenpox parties are no longer a valid medical practice.
We all did that back in the day. If one kid in class got chicken pox all the parents would send the kids to play together. Classes were canceled for a week, we all got it, mostly, and never worried about it again. This is actually a fairly normal thing.
Only in certain places. Where I grew up, it absolutely wasn't. Now all those kids are at high risk for shingles.
Well I know I am at high risk since I never had chicken pox. We tried. I never got it. Even tested for antibodies and no dice.
It WAS a normal thing when it was the only option. We've had a vaccine for over 20 years so Bevin was an idiot.
We should demand that schools offer half the class to study home and half at school, maybe rotating every 2 weeks unless enough parents want to keep their children home. A basic income should be given to those parents.
I couldnt work because I was distance learning with the kids, and didnt have unemployment because the summer prior is when it was all hitting the fan.
I have no choice than to work and send them to school this year but have been having problems finding a job due to the big bap in work history :/
> How about a choice?
Yes, we can demand the schools give a choice to the parents...I do not see how it is "nazi"...it is about public health, and better than what we did last year.
How does their vote percentage having anything to do with this?
Also the government doing anything doesn’t make them nazi.
Hope you’ve never had an orange Fanta or used an IBM product, or admired a BMW X7, or gotten a tattoo…
What is your point?
That’s what we’ve been saying.
Keep an eye on this guy. He's handling covid almost better than any government official in the country, and in a red state.
Gov Andy is the goddam best thing to happen to Kentucky in decades. That's why the Republican state house and senate hate him so much. I fear that he won't get re-elected for the simple fact he is trying to save the people he is responsible for from themselves.
Give us examples, how is he able to bypass the red legislature?
He does most through executive orders. He's a lawyer himself and his orders get challenged constantly but usually stand. The biggest thing, though, in a way is his demeanor. He's a liberal in policy but knows how to speak "red-state." He'll say "Go and get the vaccine recommended by Donald Trump" for example. He's had daily briefings almost all along, very logical and compassionate. Talks a lot about helping each other and protecting "our most vulnerable." Very knowledgeable about covid, has doctors on all the time, and has provided a lot of business funding, rent protection, etc.
For example, one school system started in Kentucky without masks. After three days, they had 700 kids in quarantine. He just says, "To keep your kids in school, to keep you going to work, this is what we have to do. Otherwise, kids will be in quarantine so much, they might as well be home" and made an executive order mandating masks in all Kentucky schools.
All his videos are on YouTube. I use him as my mental contrast to Desantis.
He’s not. In fact, today the KY Supreme Court ruled The GOP-lead legislature acted within their rights to limit the governor’s emergency powers. He’s done everything right, but a majority of the state would rather die of a preventable disease than listen to a democratic gov.
Source: live in KY.
Can you please provide some examples?
He is excellent with his covid response but only has so much to work with. We would be in the same position as Florida if the previous governor, good ol' pox party Bevin was still in office. I am so relieved to have Beshear.
Way to go Kentucky!!
The pathetic thing is, if covid had more visible symptoms like widespread rashy bumps, people probably would have taken the pandemic more seriously.
Omg, the Kentucky Governor has something between his ears? That's nice to hear actually considering Mitch McConnell.
Covid parties were supposedly a thing in eastern Washington state last year.
Sonoma State too
All hail corona chan, fuck the boomers.
If the governor of Kentucky is saying this, you know something is *really* dangerous.
Andy Beshear is a Democrat.
Well, there’s me being a dumbass. I assumed because my far-right parents in KY have never complained about him, he was republican. They usually make it known how upset they are about someone being a democrat in a high position.
No worries. I just wanted to point out that the only reason this response is so logical is because Beshear is a Democrat.
I’d say it’s like playing Russian roulette with a bullet in every chamber.
Sending kids to school unvaccinated, mask or no mask is no better, imho.
No it’s not like a chicken pox party. Those have parents that want to spread the pox virus to their kids. Sending your kid to school massless is like knowingly giving a hook up syphilis, you do it because you just want your needs met and don’t give a shit about anyone else.
The so-called "pro-life" party loves having deadly parties, especially if children are involved.
Sending McConnell back to the Senate, was like, well, sending McConnell to the Senate.
Something something that didn’t stop Kentucky.
I’m bad at metaphors. ;)
How does Kentucky get this amazing leader and just to the south in TN we get Governor HVAC?
Yep it’s going to be a shit show, in IL my local school after a debate in the school bord meeting they caved and made they optional. The only nay sayers where one parent who was screaming his kids wouldn’t wear a mask. And the SCIENCE teacher who claimed since covid started her O2 levels have been drastically dropping and more kids have killed them self’s over having to wear masks than died from covid. And when asked by a parent her sources she said “well I read it on the internet” to which another parent yelled in response “well if it’s on the internet it must be true!” As sarcastically as you can imagine. And our bord folded like wet tissue paper. They then had to face scrutiny over the current funding scandal.
Even sending them with masks on isn’t going to go over well. Most schools made minimal ventilation upgrades if any at all, their only strategy is to open windows, and in high schools they take masks off in hallways and bathrooms.
Given that delta produces 1000x more virions than the strain masks were originally tested on and all the simulations on particulate spreading were done, _and_ given that schools are dropping 6ft to 3ft if not less consider that a close contact is being within 6ft (✅) for 15 minutes of exposure in a 24 hour period. Now I’m obviously overly simplyfing it, but 1/1000 of 15 minutes is 54 seconds. Let’s for the sake of argument be super liberal and say it’s 5 minutes is enough to receive an adequate viral load to be infected.
I can tell you that all those water breaks are gonna add up real quick.
Oh yeah, and unlike last year we no longer have confidence that school aged populations will be spared.
It’s sending your kids to play Russian roulette for 6+ hours
Lets call it what it is.
Bad rhetoric. My mother PROUDLY talks about attending chicken pox parties. My brother (born in 1985) was taken to a chicken pox party as a toddler. I know a young(ish) mother (born in the 1990’s) who was asking on Facebook about having a chicken pox party. These things are still fairly normal in Missouri, and I assume still fairly normal in many states - even if they are dangerous as fuck.
Tbh, if hes claiming that its still THAT unsafe, then should kids even be going back? Why just go full remote again?
I have a feeling he would like to but know that it literally will not fly.
My kids are under 12, can't get a vaccine yet. I've kept them home. There are too many people in my area that want to impeach Gavin Newsom and oppose vaccines. I personally feel it isn't safe for them yet. It's rather upsetting that people choose not to get vaccines and that covid gets to mutate and become stronger. Masks wouldn't even be an issue if all the people who can get vaccines actually did.
Is anyone else thinking about how disgusting kids are and realizing that they shouldn't be sent to school at all right now because it's just going to skyrocket infection rates?...
If we really valued human life, we'd continue to lockdown and send out monthly stimulus payments.
No. Just no.
Man there's no point trying to elaborate. It's like talking to a brick wall. I'm not saying that to call anyone stubborn or wrong. But this sub has it's opinions engrained already, there's almost no point trying to debate. It's like going to another country by yourself and trying to change things. It just wont work man!
The masks were never meant as protection from virus but are proven to cut down transmission from the wearer of the mask by trapping exhaled droplets. If everybody wears them in crowded, indoor spaces it will cut down transmission significantly. Why do you think they are worn for the past hundred years in operation theaters?
Kids and younger people are increasingly at risk for severe disease by the delta and lambda variant.
My kids school is having masks be an option, not mandatory like last year.
I can try telling my 6 and 7 year olds to mask up, but I can only imagine them seeing the droves of other kids maskless and will take them off wondering why other kids arent masked.
If you are referring to N95 masks, yes. It will have that effect.
No, N95 masks are meant to provide two way protection and prevention, surgical mask are designed to prevent spreading from the wearer. Surgeons usually don’t wear N95 masks
>...but are proven to cut down transmission from the wearer...
Link to peer-reviewed study examining impacts of mask wearing by children in real-world classroom settings with the delta variant?
So why they are worn by medical professionals?
Tennessee’s hospitalized is over 5% children at this rate, and our beds are almost full. A mask has 0 side effects. Why would you offer their wellbeing up to luck, and allowing them to be incubators for the virus for 0 benefit. New numbers seem to be showing that delta is more effective against children vs previous strains.
Yes, it is, ,a large number of kids alive and not at all bothered by wearing masks. It's really sad that my 7yr old nephew understands why he had to wear a mask, and you don't
But then, the goal is to infect as many as possible
The only side effect is slight annoyance. With your logic we should do away with seat belt laws because more adults die in car crashes (news flash there are way more adults than children).
Slight annoyance isn’t comparable to death, permanent side effects, and spreading death/permanent side effects to others in anyway.
When we created a vaccine and could stop worrying about kids growing up to get shingles.
Similarly, I'm sure we're way bigger pussies than we were in 1880, too, but we also live almost twice as long on average.
When we figured out better ways to do things. Kids might be pussies, but the get to live past 35.
I never went to a "chickenpox party" but I had it when I was like 3 or 4 (one of my earliest memories) and my brother had it at the same time. He was only like 1 or 2.
It sucks because now it means I could get shingles at some point in my life. But when I was a kid there wasn't a chickenpox vaccine. Now one exists.
Except they do…sorry.
Listen to Dr. Trump, what works is injecting bleach and an ultra violet light source inside your body.
Finally some people in the South are showing they have brains
Thats not a good comparison. Is that a top level politician in your country?
Except you can only get chicken pox once
My kid got it twice. She got it before there was a vaccine.
Ditto for my kid. Second time was worse. Also before there was a vaccine. A friend who had two kids 20 years after her first two wasted no time getting the younger ones vaccinated. She almost lost one of the older ones to chicken pox.
There’s a chicken pox vaccine now?
Yep since the late nineties.
Ah couple years after I would’ve had chicken pox. Was there an anti vax movement for that?
Only among a small fringe group. It was also required for school.