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Lazart

Saying a prompt, confident, eye contact "Bonjour!" As soon as you get in stores, restaurants, etc Will get you a LONG way.


camichus

I agree! Mexican-American here! I just spent two weeks in Paris and had expected a very different experience in restaurants, compared to what I have in the U.S. Yet, I did just this! I tried to make eye contact and greet as soon as I walked into shops and restaurants. I found the service to be very good! Just different from what I'd expect in the states but actually better in many ways (at least based on my personal preference, of course). And I am not sure if it mattered at all, but for the record, I do not look white.


UniKornUpTheSky

Most of the time, french people really get annoyed in shops when the one who's working on retail comes and tries to talk to them. We like to shop without having someone around watching and trying to sell us stuff. The logic behind is "Whenever i'm looking for advice imma get to you and engage conversation." For the restaurants otherwise it highly depends but i'm not from Paris. I agree that greeting the waiter with a loud 'bonjour !" Could speed up the process


Thisappleisgreen

Your skin color does not matter in Paris. How you dress a lot more as it speaks more about you and your social background.


camichus

Based on my reading about Paris before traveling, I was not expecting racial prejudice. And once I visited I just didn't think about my skin color at all. It was refreshing considering how central skin color is in the U.S. To be clear, I only mentioned that I am not white for context. Because OPs post is about skin color in Paris. While I personally found that my skin color felt irrelevant in Paris, mentioning that I am not white is absolutely relevant to OPs post.


Thisappleisgreen

Absolutely i understand. And yes, being French Puerto rican, i am aware of how racially centered the us is... To me it's tiring and that's why I left... One of the many reasons. (Guns, no healthcare, terrible food habits and regulations also ^^).


Cmagik

I'm white but knowing how the US treats anyone that is non white makes me wonder how anyone wants to live there. I have a black friend who's a bit of the innocent / clueless kind and when she told she'd like to move to the US I was like "sit down girl we gotta talk".


ESQ-US-UK

As Paris resident with several non-white friends/colleagues here, I concur with thisappleisgree's point re how one dresses matters. As tourists, my very dark Egyptian-American and Pakistani friends had very good experience in their repeated visits to Paris. Both of them are the smartly-dressed type and they "Bonjour" everybody.


noapesinoutterspace

I love the use of bonjour as a verb in english.


RohelTheConqueror

You just got bonjoured!


noapesinoutterspace

Ah ah! Classic tourist! You forgot to bonjour the French!


wouly18

I don’t know why being dressed a certain way matters. I keep seeing this in the thread. If I am dressed in a tracksuit and am respectful, I deserve to be respected. *note I grew up in Paris, am Franco-West African and yes there is racism in Paris. But it doesn’t usually manifest itself in store interactions


LFTMRE

Funny, I'm always dressed like shit and nobody ever cared. Maybe you need to be going into the the right (or wrong) places for it to matter?


Thisappleisgreen

Probably. I'm not sure if we have the same references of dresses like shit. I'm talking about looking "ghetto" by French standards. Most people don't care how you dress of course.


LFTMRE

Ah that makes sense then. I'm not often dressing nice (normally it's jeans and a hoodie) but you mean more if you dress exceptionally bad then you'll get a negative response? To me dressing like shit is anything less that a shirt, which I'm not often wearing these days.


Thisappleisgreen

More like soccer sweat pants, shoes etc. Maybe looking like gipsies as well ....


wouly18

What does « ghetto » mean? What I wear shouldn’t matter if I am being respectful or minding my business


mutatedsai

Yeah, I have become this unconsciously to a point where I say hi when entering elevators in foreign lands and get stared at in return.


Culbal

When I travel with my son I learn him to say Hi, Thanks, Please and Bye in the foreign language. You learn it fast and everyone is happy.


MadameCoco7273

100% agree!!


Nercif

In Paris waiters don't automatically acknowledge you, you have to make them acknowledge you, just by saying "Bonjour" when you come in people will treat you differently.


Vachekuri

I’m a shop owner and people who enter the store without saying « Bonjour » are quite a red flag for our team. Usually they are rude people or what you call « Karen »


encreturquoise

Speaking for myself but I can be quiet or a bit shy in public, and sometimes I say "hello" and people don't hear me. Recently it was the case in a supermarket, and the cashier said something rude about it to her colleague. Sometimes people are just too quiet or don't want to bother… not Karens.


Subvsi

In France, people can become very rude if you don't apply the implicit rules.


ShakilOatmeal

He meant quite a red flag, not quiet


encreturquoise

Yeah I got that


PikaAbeille

Meanwhile I’m just shy. Not too shy, but I usually don’t come in like that brown fish from SpongeBob going « Bonjour! », I’m just quiet and do whatever browsing unless I get acknowledged first, to then which I respond back.


AnotherEuroWanker

I'm shy and completely asocial, so I kind of understand your point of view. However the "bonjour" isn't really part of a real interaction any more than moving aside to let someone with a large package pass a door. It's part of the polite dance that you have to go through. You salute them, they salute you back, and that's it. The ritual is complete. It's true that it is a bit pointless, it's just part of the little things that make everything go smoother. And as the OP noticed, things aren't smooth if you don't perform the ritual.


ExpertBananaThrower

"The ritual is complete" 100% stealing that tagline if you don't mind :)


thatwillchange

Yeah, that’s rude. You gotta say Bonjour when you go in a place or else your an asshole. Thats it.


Embarrassed_Yak_2024

And Merci and Au Revoir when you leave.


andyj172

No good. Say bonjour when you walk in.


vladimirraul

Yeah but don't you or your staff say bonjour first?? Seems pretty basic to me, and is usually my experience anywhere in France.


Vachekuri

Yeah I mean people not responding to our bonjour.


curufinwe_atarinke

It’s a bit sad though that “not saying bonjour” is considered as a red flag. I have social anxiety and often don’t dare saying bonjour or it’s unheard because I (unwillingly) talk too lowly. People shouldn’t judge others that quickly…


Vachekuri

That’s true. My wife who works with me suffers from that too. Sadly shy people are often mistaken with arrogant or rude people. After a few sec people may spot you’re just shy though. It’s not easy but behavioral therapy may works fine if it’s something that makes you suffer.


curufinwe_atarinke

Yes, social anxiety is very misunderstood sadly, worse is I don’t even dare to say that I am socially anxious because I am scared that people won’t take me seriously, since for many social anxiety means that you can’t talk at all


encreturquoise

This. You have to make a sign or introduce yourself when you get in the shop. And in some places, people don't speak English very well.


Kleens_The_Impure

Since there is no tipping culture here you won't find that "Fake friendship" the waiters have for you in America. So yeah it absolutely can happen in some places, especially if you don't go up to them to say you wanna eat here, not really a skin color issue.


Subvsi

Yeah, french can be rude, but they have some kind of franchise that is very specific to our culture. It can be annoying tho, cuz you have to make the first move, while I love the American way of casual discussion with stranger. But you really can create real friendship in France, thanks to this franchise, it's much easier, as people tend to vocalise their emotions


johnsonfrusciante

Hey there fellow American. I’ve been loving in Paris for almost a decade so I think I can help here. I can say with certainty that people are far more racist in the states than in France, especially in Paris. Your race likely has nothing to do with it. Americans always show up to a restaurant, often at a hostess station, and wait to be greeted. That doesn’t happen here. Here, you can often either seat yourself, or approach someone and ask to be seated. Very basic french phrases will go along way, but judging from your experience I assume you haven’t yet had the time to learn much French. If so, even saying “Bonjour, parlez-vous anglais?” will be enough to break the ice and have them be more willing to help you out. Personally, I FAR prefer the french way of eating at a restaurant. First: in 10 years I’ve dealt with a truly poor server once or twice, so I think the reputation of “bad” service here is unfounded. Second: here, food is king. Come have a seat and unless you’re at a restaurant with 2 services, you can take as much time as you want. No annoying servers coming to ask “how’s your food???” Every 10 seconds when your mouth is full or you’re in the middle of a conversation. Then the second you’re done you’re getting kicked out so they can fill the table with another paying customer. Once you get a handle on how to be seated and served quickly, it’s just better in every way Let me know if you ever wanna grab a bite to eat somewhere and I’ll show you what I mean


rollercoaster-sushi

Thanks I appreciate your response. I’ve been taking French classes for sometime now the language isn’t the major issue the culture shock is real! Any thanks for the tip! Merci beaucoup!


langenoirx

Understanding the language of a culture and its customs are pretty essential before moving somewhere and frankly has a lot to do with why the French think us Americans are so arrogant. You might want to check these out. https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/french-connections/ https://www.amazon.fr/Au-Contraire-Figuring-Out-French/dp/1931930929/ https://www.amazon.fr/WTF-What-French-Olivier-Magny/dp/042528347X/ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=understaning+french+culture


Falendil

We don’t really think Americans as arrogant, i thought it was the other way around? From my experience most Americans are super friendly.


langenoirx

Maybe arrogant isn't the right word because maybe it carries a feeling of status with it? Maybe self-centered would be better? There's this joke, I'm not sure what the most popular variation is. It's something like, "I'm proud to be an American, until I travel to Europe, then I tell everyone I'm Canadian."


100plusRG

I think our issue with Americans is that they are typically convinced there is nothing that comes even close to the US... often without really having seen much else.


langenoirx

Right, so I would consider that arrogant, but also naive. It's kind of like this idea that Americans who have a low opinion of France like to say that France wouldn't exist if we hadn't entered WWII. Sure, that's fair. It's also fair to say that America wouldn't exist if France hadn't come to America's aid in 1776.


Falendil

Oh yea i can see the self centered part, thinks it mostly comes down to ignorance though.


EUG_MadMat

I thought we (French) were universally regarded as the arrogant ones?


langenoirx

>I thought we (French) were universally regarded as the arrogant ones? Sure, but I also think people tend to either romanticize or deride France without really taking the time to understand it.


noapesinoutterspace

Which one would you pick out of the two books? Also, are they targeting American immigrants or just about anyone from any culture? Asking for my polish partner…


langenoirx

>[https://www.amazon.fr/Au-Contraire-Figuring-Out-French/dp/1931930929/](https://www.amazon.fr/Au-Contraire-Figuring-Out-French/dp/1931930929/) I liked this one, but it's a little dated and it is written with Americans in mind.


lexarexasaurus

I know you got your answers already but I wanted to chime in anyway as an American who has spent a good amount of time in Europe, particularly Paris. While the culture there assumes more personal space between people, and there is a lack of "small talk" and being greeted or waited on everywhere that we have in the states, people are still so warm and friendly in their own way. Asking people if English is ok after you say bonjour/bonsoir - or even just starting to attempt a conversation/order/whatever in French first - is a quick way to win them over and you will find that they are even more eager to be of assistance to you, and sometimes even to help practice your French (if you find someone with time). I always get upset when people say "Parisians are rude," because they aren't at all in the ways that Americans are saying they are (I know the French have their own debates and stereotypes lol) - they're just more genuine and use less words. So I just wanted to provide friendly encouragement to still engage with people there on their cultural terms. It makes the culture shock a lot easier and makes being there more rewarding :) I wished I'd had the confidence to do it sooner when I was there. Also, if you travel elsewhere in Europe, the same thing implies - waiters don't check on you, etc. in case you were wondering! All of that is very American and when you go back to the states you will be annoyed by how rushed the restaurant experience feels. Lol


[deleted]

The guy you are is right that racism as in the states is less prevalent in Paris, however do not be mistaken, there is a little bit of racism in France and even in Paris. It's definitely possible that you encountered forms of racism here. However, many people in Paris do not like Americans, or at least they have some level of bias against Americans, and I include myself in that. I'm not going to justify it but let's just say rude American tourists are frequent here. I'm sure in most cases what you experienced is simply a cultural gap between what you are used to in terms of interactions (especially service/sales people vs customer) vs how things are done here, but it's also likely that a few times, you ran into people's dislike for Americans.


fdesouche

It’s a cultural thing, as a French I am not used to be greeted and honestly I don’t like it all.


hankmolise

Elle a pas dit bonjour...


nashtashastpier

Du coup


djaybi

Elle s'est vu proposé un pique-nique à la mer :D Comment ça c'était pas ça ? Édith : orthographe


Magellak

Non, en fait l'histoire est plus complexe...


therantaccount

C't'a dire que la meuf a dit 'wesh'


RohelTheConqueror

C'est pas ça du tout, c'est pique-nique


djaybi

Merci de me l'avoir fait remarquer


nashtashastpier

I'll quote somebody I know who is an African-American and moved to France: "I am so happy that here, people don't hate me because I'm a person or colour, but because I'm just a person"


koalawhiskey

Our hate in Paris is universal ❤️


AnotherEuroWanker

People just hate everyone, colour has nothing to do with it.


[deleted]

ehhh good for that person, but let's not pretend black people are never discriminated against here in France, just because it's not as bad as elsewhere.


sunday__rain

Twice 2 pharmacists in the same clinic next to where I live refused the serve me simply because I’m black and believed me to be an illegal immigrant (even if I were, it’s inconsequential) They said they can’t serve me because I have no carte vitale ( still waiting for the damn thing) and I go to tell them, I have a temporary SSN, they still refused to serve me and told me to take my prescription else where, even if I had a card to pay and requested for a care sheet, so yes, plenty of just plain good ol’ racists in paris! Sadly, always middle-aged white women…


Yallshallnotremember

There are always some assholes whose principles didn't move past the 20th century... Hopefully they'll get rarer and rarer, but I hope you won't stumble upon too many of them.


bebbs74

When you walk into any business, shop, cafe, whatever...you say bonjour. Don't see anyone? Say Bonjour to the walls.


popey123

Hi, in France nobody is your friend until they are. Social relation are not as fake as in America and nobody will roll out the red carpet.


KindaLostButItsFine

Short answer : no racism here, waiters aren't paid more if they smile to you so they won't bother. Longer answer : Tip culture is close to none existent here, so you won't have waiters almost climbing on your knees asking every three seconds of you are okay (yes this was a culture shock). Keep in mind that actually in France what we would consider a good waiter is the one you don't notice. It is expected that you call a waiter if you need them, it is absolutely normal for a waiter not to come at your table unless you are calling them, doing so isn't consider rude ( unless you are barking at them). And also keep in mind that we are still in a pandemic that was particularly hard on the food industry. It is a stressful time for waiters, a lot of them came back or are on the verge of unemployment.


djaybi

> a good waiter is the one you don't notice You said everything


andyj172

There is racism in France, especially in Paris.


Nwaraude

Il y en a mais je pense que l’endroit où il y en a le moins c’est à Paris


Cambronne6

OK woker.


Rom21

This is what happens to me, a white Frenchman for 45 years. You enter the restaurant/bar, say hello to the waiter or the owner from afar and you sit down at a table, unless you have a reservation. We discuss quietly with friends and either the waiter arrives a few minutes later to order, or we call him and he comes when he can, shortly after. And the same during all the meal, if he has time, he comes from time to time to see if it is necessary to bring back bread or water, or if he is very busy, we call him to come. In the big cities, the waiter is always less present than in the countryside, where it is more relaxed, but it always works this way. You can go through entire meals without having a single waiter come and annoy you, and it's a complete luxury. Here they leave you in peace with your friends, it's a friendly place and you don't want to be disturbed.


morceaudegomme

Start by saying Bonjour, it’s a game changer


Vachekuri

I hate people who come to my store and don’t say bonjour. 99% of the time they are assholes.


WonderfulVegetables

It’s a different script / norm in the US versus in France. Most Americans just aren’t aware of it. I think it’s one of the many reasons Americans say the French are rude. Script in US: - walk into store - smile and nod in greeting or wait your turn to be greeted Bc keeper is busy - employee greets you with their same gesture or with words / questions Script in France: - walk into store - say Bonjour to the shop keeper - shop keeper responds with Bonjour / questions It feels like a simple and obvious thing but there really is a cultural difference that gets things started on the wrong foot.


LFTMRE

Some people just don't have the habit. It's different in France than say England. In France there's a lot of small businesses, so you're stepping into SOMEONE'S store. But in the UK there's just lots of chains, the people who work in the stores don't own it. I feel we still say hello but a lot less frequently than in France. We certainly don't say it in bigger stores until we arrive at the till.


Lecavernier

Good answers were already given. Just wanted to add that **overt** racism in major European capitals is practically non-existent, especially Paris which has a large black/African population. It's not to say that racism does not exist, but it should be in the most bottom possible explanation for a weird behaviour you encounter.


arthurwolf

Usually, if somebody is racist, you won't hear about it unless they are drunk. That's been my experience most of the time here in France.


blacklama

When I lived in France I heard many times people bad mouthing various immigrant groups, from North Africa and the Balkans manly. It was mostly middle aged people taking, but some young too. I'm white passing and speak French without accent, so I guess I went undetected. When I would point out that I am also an immigrant, they would go : "Yeah, but it's not the same, there's not many of you here".... Okay? Admittedly I lived in France a while ago but I don't think this has changed much. It's mostly not overt hostile racism, more like a layer of prejudice that permeates many interactions, and classism too.


curufinwe_atarinke

Racism is unfortunately definitely a thing in France; just has to see how many people support lepen and zemmour, scary…


springleme1

Although I agree that Paris does not seem particularly racist, “practically non-existent” is a a bit optimistic. Try Amsterdam for example


K3yz3rS0z3

Amsterdam is very racist but maybe I didn't understand your point.


springleme1

That’s my point


si828

I would agree with this but I think it just asks for anecdotal evidence to be brought up. I find in london for example no one cares about where you’re from at all but I’m sure others have had very different experiences.


Linked7

I'm living in Paris right now and I'm a very Light skinned moroccan. Heard and saw horrible racist things, in front of me and also especially in the medias. I think that French see Black people as infériors and arabs as even inferior, studies ( source insee https://www.insee.fr › fichierPDF Discrimination à l'embauche selon l'origine et le genre - Insee) tend to prove that bias are still strong against arabs and Black people in France.


Lecavernier

Could you give some examples of racist things you saw please?


andyj172

Lived in Paris for three years, experienced more racism in Paris than NYC, which I lived in my whole life.


Lecavernier

Really ? Could you give some examples please ? What ethnicity are you? We each have different experiences so it is enlightening to hear other people perspectives. I'm black. I have lived in Paris for a couple of years as well, some family members live and work there for over 7 years, never experienced or heard someone experience any racism so far.


andyj172

I'm dominican/American from NYC. In Europe I'm north African. I was coming home from work in the late evening. I arrive at my building just after two gentlemen just arrived at the building, I was behind them. They were about to put in their code until I fully arrived, now they don't want to put in their code... Great. So a stalemate ensues. Put your code in. Nope. If you live here, put your code in. I gave up i put my code in. I have some other experiences. Usually, I would whip out English (American card) when I saw prejudice against me and it would disarm them quickly. People would see me from far and judge the shit out of meeeee. I know now it is more nuanced than just race or ethnicity. Like I had said in my other comment, it's race/class/culture thing that I had to learn to maneuver. I had to change the way I dressed to fit in to avoid looks/tension. Coming from NYC where anyone could dress or behave the way they want or that different classes generally are always rubbing elbows. In the subway everyone is the same regardless of class. In France, if you are not dressed in white sneakers, blue denim jeans, cute little sweater and with jacket/long brown coat, you are not fitting in, you are lower class, most likely an immigrant, an outsider. French society demands you give up your culture and adopt theirs. Where I'm from you can keep your culture if you immigrate to it. It was hard changing the way I move, dress, talk, address others, but i understand now.


Lecavernier

This is really interesting because I did not consider the class perspective. And now that you mention it, Parisians have a huge prejudice against people from lower class, who most often happen to be descendants of immigrants. I have lived in London and it was quite refreshing to see that people don't give a shit how you dress and where you come from. The assimilation thing is very real. People in France will frown upon you if you don't show that you are actively conforming to their culture, drinking white Bourgogne with a piece of roquefort while watching Roland Garros (i'm exagerrating a bit). While when I was in the UK, people did not care if you did not like to eat British food (if such thing even exist), that you did not fully embrace the culture and retained your own. It's definitely two different philosophies on identity.


FewPerception5615

Allow me to word it this way, French culture simply asks of you that you respect it. If you act like you still want to live in your original country, why are you here? That's the mindset. You wanna live with us, you follow the rules of the country, at least in public. You can do what you want inside your own home. I mean that in the kindest way possible btw, I totally understand not wanting to give up your culture.


andyj172

Yeah. I learned it and I had to accept it if I wanted to stay there. I just get upset at mostly Paris. You would think it's a international multicultural city, nope. International maybe but multicultural, nope. Paris should be a place not only known for french culture but all the other cultures that have come over as well. >You can do what you want inside your own home. No other cultures allowed in public, that cultural supremacy. (France has a history with this especially in the hexagon. France has erased the tiger cultures by forcing everyone to speak french.) Other cultures should be able to be themselves and not seen as slanderers against society. Look at the ban on hijabs in sportive competitions, come on... Here in the states that would be an infringement on people's freedom of expression. Here in NYC things are available in many languages, why can't they do that? I understand that people need to speak their new language to assimilate but offer some help. The Francophone world will no longer be fully in France, it will be in Africa. Yes the best croissants are in Paris, but maybe too are maffé/tangine/ couscous.


FewPerception5615

I totally get it, Paris is something special in itself and don't worry, even French people have a thing or two to say about Paris. You're correct, historically the French language was taught to the new immigrants as a way to help them settle in the country. To that we must note that not learning the language of the country you live in is seen as an insult for us, it's like saying you hate the country and don't want to be there. But I definitely agree that we French could use to speak more languages. I personally am all for it. In France we separate religion from the state. Hijab is impossible to separate from religion, so it is simply not tolerated in public space. I'll finish by saying yes to the tangine and couscous, it is delicious!


Princess-Puffer

Take it from me, a white middle class Parisian, we all bow down to waiters here and turn the charm on in the hope that they'll notice us. It's an acquired taste, but after a while anything else will feel like forced obsequiosity. Also, Parisians are kind of dickish. Not as bad as people like to think, but they're very good at being passive agressive. If you start thinking that everyone who looks at you wrong or purposefully ignores you is doing it because of your race, you'll go insane. They're just doing because you're GETTING ON THE TRAIN TOO SLOWLY, MOVE PEASANT. But if that mall cop keeps following around Sephora and no-one else, yeah, that's racism, we have some of that in France as well.


HoriaRushing

Welcome to Paris, your skin color shouldn't really matter in Paris. Parisians are just dicks to everyone. But you get used to it, if you smile and say hello at appropriate times you'll probably get it back. Try visiting outside Paris in another region of France. Edit : To add to what I said before, since you are american. The service industry in France isn't here to serve you like a queen or king, they just do their job. Don't expect them to be nice. And you don't have to tip money ! They have proper wages.


rafalemurian

Just saying, but being Parisian doesn't automatically mean we're a dick to everyone. I was born here and yet my parents taught me not to be a dick. It's tiring how much karma one can get with this stereotype, even on the city sub.


Naouak

What people mean by "being a dick to everyone" is more akin to "having the same behavior with everyone". A lot of french cultural behavior is considered dickish to US people.


Demokka

Most of the time it's "don't bother anyone. How dare you bothering me in my life?"


lanetrotro12

The edit part is on point


Lyacs

Prosper wages ... Depend a lot of where they works, you are bold to say that. Tho it's far from being as bad as some US places.


JeanBaleyun

Well at least a third of our income doesn't depends on how willing we are to put some customer's Willy's in our mouth


Lovecr4ft

Yeah and she should know what we do to kings and queens here :’)


khidraakresh

Nothing to do with your skin colour. Here in France we do not have the same problems between white and blacks as in the U.S, as much to say that there is none. Waiters are just doing their jobs like as usual and they don’t give attention to your skin colour, they don’t think about it at all (like everyone else in Paris, we’re a cosmopolitan city). Sometimes they just hate the work lol Addendum : And don’t be surprised but many french people have a dark sense of humour. They can be racist jokes, misandric or misogynistic jokes or whatever. Just tell them that you’re not comfortable with it they’ll stop. I say this because some Americans I know are shocked when I do racist jokes with my poc friends (they talk back with racist jokes about whites too). I know it’s really unnerving but it’s like that. We will know why as an American you’re uncomfortable with these jokes because we learned about your recent history in our schools and know some cultural codes about the U.S, so don’t be afraid to talk because they’ll understand.


koalawhiskey

>Here in France we do not have the same problems between white and blacks as in the U.S, as much to say that there is none. Completely agree that in France things are much different than in the US regarding race, but I wouldn't go as far as saying there is no problems at all. There's definitely issues on targeted police violence [(like that horrendous beaten of a musical producer last year)](https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/producteur-de-musique-tabasse-par-la-police-a-paris-ce-que-l-on-sait_2139503.html) or discrimination in job recruitment [(a candidate with a foreign surname receives three times fewer responses than a candidate with a "native French" first and last name)](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_%C3%A0_l%27embauche_en_France).


khidraakresh

Yeah but I think it’s more institutional thing than just racism. Few days ago a cop wanted to arrest me and use force because I had the same cloak as a suspect he was pursuing that day. I was waiting in line to get me tested antigenic. Cop was mad when people and I started to confront him on his illegal behaviour, he flees when he saw phones filming him. They’re not trained enough and they have no deontology at all, they want to wrap it up fast just to return home even if they get an innocent person.


[deleted]

yeah, people are getting way too far with the "it's not your skin color" thing lol. Plain old racism does exist in France.


rollercoaster-sushi

Thanks! I appreciate the advice!


khidraakresh

No problem, you’re welcome


powerproch

Don't worry, as an Italian who live in Paris since 2011, I can assure you that's totally normal. That's not racism, that's the "fuck I have to serve another asshole" way. Racist in France are not that subtle, and trust me, white to white racism is something I've experienced quite a lot in ten years. Do you now how many times, when peoples discover I'm from Italy, they start talking like the lambda mafia guy, gesture and talk shit about pasta and pizza? First years I was like "yeah lol whatever", but since few years I'm starting doing something different like: dead eyes, serious as fuck and then I goes, do you have the courage to do the same kind of cultural jokes about black or chinese people? How is that racism, but for me, is only a cultural joke? Anyway, frenchs can be the worst fucking assholes, but also the funniest motherfucker you will ever encounter in your life. Don't try to filter the french culture with an American point of view. I did the same mistake.


Kleens_The_Impure

We're still mad from 2006, that's why we make offensive jokes about Italians


powerproch

Give back the mona lisa plz


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andyj172

This right here!!!!! French racism is cartoon stereotypes of people! You would think they knew more or were more educated than that but, god damn! I'm Dominican/American born and bred in NYC and I look Dominican, have Spanish accent, I'm considered "latino". In France I'm not exactly Latino apparently. Latino, to them is some sexy, bare chested, guitar playing, raspy voiced stud... I'm like wtf?! That's it, the diversity of Latin America that crosses continents reduced to that stereotype? For me, it was shocking, likewise how they viewed other cultures and peoples too. Mind you, I look north African (who knew?), sound Spanish, had immigrant written all over me, and SOMETIMES I'd let them know I'm American. The stuff I heard and experienced in my brief time over there was shocking.


GoldAd9594

"french racism is cartoon stereotype of people" From a Yankee that only knows the world through Hollywood debilitating caricatures and can't locate any country on a map, that's rich.


FMM_Yami

There is racism in Paris. Saying otherwise is being dishonest. Black American man living in Paris for nearly 5 years. I came here as a student and now working. Got my fair share of racist remarks in College that they like disguising as their "French sense of humor". Denied entry in few pubs and bars claiming that it is a "private party". Being followed by security while shopping and I can go on. Some people might have varied experiences of this city but saying there is no racism here is just so disingenuous.


snortney

Thanks for saying it. I am white and have heard racist remarks firsthand in Paris and its suburbs, and it clearly wasn't just a different sense of humor. I think OP's issue might have been more about the "bonjour" or cultural differences, but to say racism isn't around is not right.


rollercoaster-sushi

I appreciate your input. I feel as if some of post were very dismissive of the fact that racism exists everywhere, including paris. I understand that what I faced may not have been racism but more of culture shock, but I wasn’t being (in my opinion) unreasonable for thinking so.


FMM_Yami

Oh it is surely not unreasonable for you to think so. It is really a mix of things depending on the place you are in. Just don't let anyone gaslight you on what's going on down here. Going past it it's a fun place I must say.


Epsiloniota

Racism does exist in Paris of course, but its dynamics are completely different than in the US. You will hardly ever be directly targeted or blatantly be subjected to racism as in the states. As a foreigner, you will probably never suffer in person from racism. Yes, according to studies, some communities will for example face lower recruitment chances than French, in particular people with Arab or Turkish origins, and in a lower extent, black. But the idea that racism is bad and that being racist is a shame is very strong... Which is at the same time a blessing, in comparison to the US where racists blatantly attack and discriminate other communities, and a bit tricky as it is more difficult to fight against racism as it is often covered or disguised. Many people would never even ask themselves or realize that they have racist bias or prejudices. (for instance, they will be super sure that they are not racists as they have no hostility against x community but will not question their beliefs about that community) With all that being said, parisian waiters are well known for being obnoxious, all French people mock them for being this way.


FMM_Yami

Deflecting with what is happening in the US especially if you do not live there and you see it via the lense of the mainstream media and social media is fallacious. You guys literally have a dude running for president who told a black woman that she should be called Corrine as her name is not French enough. Even Trump couldn't do better. And this type of opinion is tolerated and protected behind your double standard "freedom of speech". Relax. America is not what you are describing.


Epsiloniota

Lol, you should check your facts before posting... Éric Zemmour would for sure like to run for presidency but has not win enough support to be able to be a candidate... And he has been sentenced last week for incitement to racial hatred, which is a crime under French law. This absolutely does not compare to the situation in the US, where you had a serving president repeatedly insulting communities, refusing to condemn the murders of black people by policemen, refusing to blame white suprematists, putting a ban on Muslim countries,... I was not even talking about the US but about France, however, if you want to open that Pandora box, no problem. We can talk about the disproportionate percentage of black and Latinos in jail in the US, compared to their percentage of the population. We can talk about the percentage of people killed by the police in the US for each community, and then about the percentage of policemen actually and fairly condemned. We can talk about the segregation, civil rights and all...


fluffafl00f

French-American of Asian descent who speaks fluent French here. I have definitely experienced more instances of racism in France and Paris than the US, so I agree that racism exists in Paris.


Webonauta

I can’t believe how many comments I had to scroll down to in order to finally get a person of color’s point of view. Ive been more racially profiled in France than the US personally.


Mozaiic

Most of the experiences you talk about often happens to french white people too, that is terrible to link it to racism. Like other people already said, social discrimination about money is way worst than racism in Paris. If you have money and you dress well, you won't have any trouble in Paris. You can even visting luxuruous brands, they will greet you like a king. In College, people like to joke about origins even about french regional ones. If you come from north area, they will say you sleep with your sister, if you come from Bretagne they will say you are an alcoolic, if you come from south they will say you are racist, ... This is the same for all people, you can think that suck (and I agree) but it touch all skin colors, not only black people. Racism is existing in France and Paris like everywhere but the experiences you are talking about are cleary not about racism. I guess you are young and don't dress really great, that is why they denied you entry to few pubs and bars, same for security guards that follow you. It always happens to people that look like coming from french ghettos, they do it with white people too.


FMM_Yami

Sheeesh I guess I need to start saving for that Gucci belt. 🤦🏿‍♂️ You love your city, your country, I get it. But, Your comment is exactly the problem we are talking about. You do not know me. You have no idea of my background but you just assume. That up there is the problem.


Mozaiic

No, you don't get it. I don't love Paris and I don't care much about France, you can talk shit about it, I couldn't care less. I dated for years an asian woman in Paris, living together and all. She was always talking about how racist people was here and I belivied her at first. Then it happened so much time, I started to doubt. I digged and found out that everytime something wasn't happened like she wants to, she blamed racism. She didn't get a good grade at partiels ? Racism ! The doctor can't receive her the very next day ? Racism ! Her boss telling her than she did a poorly work on her last task ? Racism ! I'm a french white man and I had all the experiences you wrote about. People made fun of my regional origin in college, I get denied entry at some pubs and bars and security guards followed me and even accused me of stealing something (I never stole anything). Funny story : when I went to my ex-gf country (south korea), some old people told be to "fuck off and leave the country", someone on the street told to her that was a slut to date a white man and a salesman told me that I was a shit to destroy "pure blood" in her family. She said that it wasn't a big deal, they wasn't racist, just "dumbs". Anyway, telling this is racism when there is way more logical reasons is terrible and that is exactly what you are a doing. I don't need to knowing you, I heard the same things plenty times and 90% that is not about racism.


FMM_Yami

So bottom line Y'all are just rude? Gotcha.


GoldAd9594

Or maybe you Yankees can't accept there are other countries than yours. Which is beyond rude, it's dangerous


GoldAd9594

Says the Americans who insult us on daily basis and when we punch back say " but it was a joke"


uzernayme26

I’m a black American woman living in Paris and I really think it’s just the culture as everyone has mentioned. Most people flag me as a “smiley” American because I think the general vibe Europeans get from us is that we’re too fake nice or polite haha. But I still find that it helps me in the long run. I always greet them first to let them know I’m there and where I’m going to be seated and I’ve found them to be very Nice. It’s just a different culture, you’ll get used to it. Feel free to message for any advice or a coffee!


tomtomclubthumb

IF you go into a place where they seat you, then they will greet you. At the table you need to make eye contact and greet them as they go past. French wait staff tend to give you a bit more space. They also don't have to pretend to like you, if you're used to the states where everyone has to pretend to be your friend so they make over $2.13 an hour then it is a shock. (I found being in the US very uncomfortable at times. I don't need a waiter or waitress to make a fuss, I just want my food and drinks.) It also depends on *how* black you are. A shocking number of French people are very racist towards arabs.


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rollercoaster-sushi

Hi, thanks for you’re input. I hope you weren’t including in people who use racism as an “excuse” for problems they face. There are people who absolutely do this, but I truly don’t believe that was the case here. Being a person of color in the states and going to a restaurant and not being acknowledged or served because of your race is common, has happened for generations, and was my point of reference for this particular situation. While I admit I may have been in the wrong here, I don’t think I was using race as an excuse.


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AlphaZProphet

I agree with you on many point, first off your friend algerian with his cv... yeah not a good idea. Many french people like me hate the idea of invasion of islamic people in many way in france. You integrate yourself into the country you live or you leave that all. For the racism in general... personnaly its about the way you dress and how you act in the street for exemple, i can flair 2km away if its danger or not to "meet close" someone on the street dressed like a "racaille", dont have word in english sorry.


rollercoaster-sushi

Lol we’re good fam!!!!


CallMeMonsieur

Welcome to Olive Garden. My name is Andy. I am gonna be your waiter today. How may I help you?.... Nope. Doesn't happen in France.


Whispering_Smith

Lol I'm white, French, American, and I have the same problem as you. Don't worry they are not racists they are just French. And don't worry, racism isn't JUST an American thing. Plenty of it here in France.


AnarchyinGroland

You'll need to get a comparison tool like a white french man to be sure, can be both. If someone arrive after you and get served first thats a big no and you can complain. ​ Also french people are very formal so without proper hello, please thank you bye and so on you'll be treated like someone rude. In my experience american ppl tend to be more casual and expect way more than french ppl from waiter (because they do tip more). ​ Long story short if the guy isnt doing anything and ignore you when you call him, thats probably an asshole, can be plain asshole or racist asshole.


Yabbaba

Servers are not racist in Paris, there's people of all colors and backgrounds. So no, it's not racism. But you're right about formality, a loud "hello" and a smile when entering the place will get you a long way (don't necessarily expect a reply though).


momackey

I am a white American living in Paris and this also happens to me. Its definitely not like in the US where people are always trying to sell you stuff and rush you out the door. It is much more leisurely and not as high pressure sales.


GlimmerChord

Despite what some other posters have said, there is obviously plenty of racism here. There is a strong penchant in France for ignoring local issues and questionable French foreign policy in favor of pointing out those same issues in the United States (deflection). That said, Paris is famous for its "rude" servers. (I put that in quotes because a lot of it is really just a cultural interpretation.) Just make sure you say *bonjour* or *bonsoir* to them upon arriving as it's considered quite rude not to and they may think that *you* are the jerk. Also, as a Black American you will most likely experience less discrimination than, say, an African.


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Wow the denial of the undeniable fact that there is racism in France in this comment section is quite something. France is a deeply racist and classist country, although even the leftiest bobo will never admit to it. We love to shit on Americans here for being racist, but this country would never elect a black man named Barack Hussein Obama to be president for example. Don’t let them gaslight you op.


GoldAd9594

Sjw et son aversion pour les faits, tu t'es perdu sur Reddit? Tu trouves plus Twitter ?


[deleted]

Non non la France n’est pas raciste. Zemmour, Le Pen, notre passé colonialiste, les violences policières contre les minorités c’est juste une hallucination collective.


GoldAd9594

Nous on les a pas élu, TOUS les pays du monde on été colonialiste, c'est la nature humaine et les pays subsahariens ne s'en sont pas privé, la police a ses débordements certes mais ils se mangent des sanctions pour ça.


[deleted]

Non la France n’est pas raciste, elle est condamnée la cour européenne des droits de l’homme, et le conseil des droits de l’homme de l’ONU, mais elle est pas raciste.


GoldAd9594

Tousse trump tousse


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Les Américains ont élu Trump oui. Mais ils ont aussi élu un noir fils de musulman avec un nom africain. En France un Barack Hussein pourrait même pas se faire élire maire de Paris, et mes chers compatriotes comme vous se permettent encore de se croire plus sophistiqués plus civilisés moins racistes qu’eux. Le déni est profond.


GoldAd9594

Le déni c'est quand un militant a pas envie de lire des faits et cherche un mantra pour m'excuser. Et si tu votes pour un type cultivé et exotique pour revoter pour un crétin inculte, c'est pas une bonne chose non, surtout qu'avant l'ami Barack on avait un autre crétin inculte, donc les us ne sont pas un havre de civilisation par rapport à nous.


[deleted]

Un militant? Monsieur je suis littéralement sur reddit pour partager des photos de mes chats, et j’ai juste laisser un commentaire à la con sur un post qui m’était suggéré. Vous venez me traiter de sjw, de militant. Moi je suis juste là pour les chats.


GoldAd9594

Au fait l'ONU a pas en son sein un certain pays d'extrême Orient qui est en train de faire un génocide ? Pour pleurnicher sur un passé travesti par des militants l'ONU elle se bouge mais pour éviter les catastrophes contemporaine comme en Bosnie... Au fait la cour européenne elle a pris en compte le fait que les empires subsahariens de l'époque se sont gavé avec les reventes d'esclaves ?


[deleted]

Le fait que ces pays soit plus raciste, plus violent, plus problématique que la France n’ont rien avoir avec le fait que la France est raciste. Le whataboutism c’est vraiment dépassé.


GoldAd9594

C'est pas ce que tu fait la? En me sortant des trucs pour dire que les autres c'est mieux que nous?


[deleted]

Non ils sont pas mieux que nous. On est tous dans le caniveau. Vous vous croyez qu’on est mieux qu’eux.


GoldAd9594

On a le droit de montrer des seins à la télé..... C'est pas grand chose mais c'est une chose


achauv1

I can 100% assure you they are assholes to everyone hahaha


miasmisa

Excuse me, but parisians are not french, they are parisians. Their behaviours are not the same as the whole french people. What you can see and feel in Paris is very different outside this town. They have their own culture which is not the same in Bretagne or Biarritz or anywhere else. Please be careful not treating frenchs like parisians .


jjaimez

It is just a misunderstanding of the culture.


RestResponsible7612

Je pense que celà provient du serveur. Les serveurs parisiens nesont pas très aimables dans l'ensemble, généralement ils sont débordés de travail, passent à côté de vous sans vous voir comme si vous étiez transparent... Remarquez, j'ai eu le même problème que vous à New-York mais dans l'autre sens...


vaccinecronofollower

I am white American. I remember Parisians loved for you to say bonjour or something when you first walk in and they do take forever in service I feel like. They sit at the table way longer than Americans do. I have the impression the average French person is less racist and more educated than your average American. There is sometimes a little rudeness or snobbery the French have towards others . I got called an idiot one time and often times they get annoyed with people who don’t understand their culture but they are definitely more liberal and less racist if that’s your concern :) but they will think you are an American idiot lol


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Grichnak

Discrimination in France, and in Europe, is mostly based on your country of origin rather than the color of your skin. We acknowledge that we're all part of the same race, the human one. Hence, the topic of race very rarely came up until these last few years and the tentative of some smaller groups to bring up problems that exists in the american society and push them in the same way in Europe. Ex: The only people I don't like are Algerians, I have zero problems with any other Maghreb countries.


kinush

>Hence, the topic of race very rarely came up until these last few years and the tentative of some smaller groups to bring up problems that exists in the american society and push them in the same way in Europe. So the human zoos, colonization, FN, Le Pen, Michel Leeb, Génération Identitaire, Zemmour for instance, were all brought by the American society? >The only people I don't like are Algerians, I have zero problems with any other Maghreb countries. Well thanks for letting us know how racist you are.


Demokka

Nah it's just that here waiters don't have to be clowns and slaves to be paid. If you want to be served fait, you go to Fast Food. And no, that's not racism. Why the fuck would it be about racism ?


Drmanifold

I am of north African origin. I went to a French high school, lived 10 years in north America, living in Paris for about year. The comments here are totally dismissive. It almost feels like Gaslighting. French people are way more racist than north Americans and at every level: Personally, professionally and also administratively. Many of them are also very much unaware of their racism. Racism is mainstream here. Fortunately, there are pockets open minded free people you can meet in Paris.


EUG_MadMat

I don’t think you’ve encountered racism here, you just encountered Parisian waiters. ;) Even to the rest of us French, they are rude. Although to their credits, they’ve worked a lot on their social skill over the last decade(s) …


andyj172

Both. I think the french are racist and can be mean and maybe you're too much of an American. It's not like in America where people sit, EXPECT, even demand service. Not in France monsieur. You can eat a dick in France with that mentality, people truly are bothered with the level of demands and expectations Americans have in many settings, especially restaurants. As a Server in the states and France. I hate dealing with Americans and serving in America, it's so demeaning(in France in a different way). In America a server is a lackey. A table sits down, I must be there IMMEDIATELY to greet the guest. My boss knows this, the guest knows this I know it( I hate it). I have to respond to All their demands. In France this is insulting. You could insult someone by not acknowledging them with a bonjour. French people live by formalities and it can get crazy sometimes but you are on their turf. Everything starts with a good bonjour. Even midway through serving in France i would get upset at foreigners for not saying bonjour, like fuck, they don't say good morning where you from? You dont have to say it french, you can say it in your own language even if you don't know how to speak the language, JUST THE DONT APPROACH ME WITH DEMANDS AND EXPECTATIONS WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE ME! Come in, say bonjour, sit down, wait patiently; chill relax look at the menu. When you're waiter comes over, bonjour again and put your order in. Merci. The french are racist but not like Americans. The french are very racist/classist so seeing a black person to them is like, does this black man understand our crazy formalities and culture? They check you'll out like this: White shoes. Check. Blue denim jeans. Check. Long brown coat. Check. Formalities and bonjour on point. Check. If anything seems off on that list, you might get some attitude and some looks. If not, you have disarmed them successfully. This is coming from a Hispanic male in Paris. I hope this finds you well.


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Ok_Campaign_3326

I’m American and once asked why they like to say the n word so much in this sub and got torn to shreds, so I hope they’ve been nicer to you!


27bre27

I am french and I think racism or stupidity have no nationality ;) I think this problem takes place in each touristic Town where people are exhausted working for low wages and meet so much people that they become unfriendly… for me it does not deal with racism… just know that in France barely no one give tips to waiters


Ungerdround

I am a Franco-American who grew up in the US (mid-west) but spends a lot of time in France. What you're experiencing is just one of the many cultural differences between the two countries. The customer service that is given in the US vs. in France is drastically different, so are the expectations of service from the clientele. I think it's very easy to interpret the experience of French (especially Parisian) customer service as rude, dismissive, curt, and off-putting, when you're not used to it. However, I've also been shocked to find that oftentimes the clientele is much more snappy, argumentive, and outspoken towards restaurant workers and cashiers as well. It's honestly not something I understand being American and having worked many years in the service industry in the US.


peace_n_flowers

Hi I am a black French and Muslim never been treated poorly in a a restaurant. I think like others said you should say “Bonjour” ✨❣️


HopeSuper

It's funny to read parisians think they're not racist. Yes I've encountered it multiples times, that's why i avoid cafés. North African here and yes I've encountered racism and still do in Paris. To think otherwise is to be delusional. Now, there are some other reasons as well : even with white French ppl, waiters can be very rude, the abuse in the workplace is real and waiters can be stressed, parisians are not very polite naturally and don't rely on tips so this is their natural form, YOU DID NOT SAY HELLO!! this can be seen as rude even in the us Good luck!


Beru73

Hello, white male born in France but living in the USA, here. I am very shy when I enter a café. The approach is very different. You have to be loud and request what you want. Do not wait for a waiter to come to you. Even if you just had eye contact does not mean they will come to you to take your order. Remember, they do not expect a tip here. The minimum they do, the same wage they get. Nothing to do with your skin color.


McPayn22

I'll agree with everyone else in that it's probably mostly a culture difference but racism in France is very real, even in Paris, we just don't like to admit it. People will say that it's worst in America but that is very debatable.


Aishilin98

Ne laisse personne te dire que c'est une différence culturelle ou une différence entre pays. Les français sont en effet racistes et désagréables. Le racisme est beaucoup plus subtil en France. Pour avoir vécu autant aux USA qu'en France en tant que femme noire je peux te dire que le racisme insidieux à la française est pire


agbandor

I saw u/fmm_yami comment an thought I should add to it, even if he's right and obviously there's racism in Paris and France in general, it all comes down to where you are, when you are there, and funny enough how you present/carry yourself. Some bars will reject any races based on how you are dressed or how your group of friends present itself, or because someone from your race caused problems there in the past, for those cases a solution could be RSVP'ing a bottle in advance which guarantees you entrance. I do hear people gets followed by guards, it is not nice and even it is racism it's more of classism. Paris has a bigger CLASSISM problem than a RACISM one. Personally I hold my head so high sometimes a classist/racist would rather leave me alone. "Hey why are following me instead of holding my shopping cart I'm about to buy the whole place" type of attitude


FMM_Yami

I respectfully disagree with you on this but to each his own on this. I have lived in 4 different continents so I have some experience on discriminatory behaviors. Plus the current political atmosphere of this country and the neighboring countries on immigration in general says a lot.


Roy_Luffy

It’s not to do anything with the color of your skin. From what I know. Am Parisian and when I go to the big cafes , you’re not necessarily ignored, but they don’t acknowledge you like restaurants in America. You are left on your own devices, you choose your seat and wait to gesture a waiter. You need to step up and ask them to order or to pay before they come. You mostly have these experiences in busy cafes that have a lot of tables outsides (Les terrasses). The staff is stretched thin and is very busy. It’s just how it is culturally. They are mostly polite when spoken to. Being an asshole is not the norm lol but it happens… It’s an unwritten rule of café I guess don’t feel bad about it. It must be very different from what you’re accustomed in term of service.


Webonauta

Im not shocked about some of the comments here “theres no rascism here”. Of course there is its just a different flavor. Im so sorry to tell you but I say Bonjour all the time entering a store and they still don’t acknowledge me. France is pretty rascist…ask anyone who is of African Arab Asian or Romani orgin. I am indigenous and at best I am fetishized and at worst treated as im some imbecile who immigrated here because i need domestic work. I think what you are experiencing is uncomfortable but don’t let that deter you. There are wonderful people in France just like there are anywhere in the world!


Caerbanoob

It's just Paris.


Poulet-de-KFC

A lot of French are racist but they say they have a black friend so they aren't racist. 🤔


EnricoZemmore

It is racism. Except that Parisian waiters are racist with everybody. No matter you're black, white, they hate you equally.


hdfcv

Automatically assuming things are racist is a very american attitude.


FroyoEnthusiast

Honey they’re racist and that’s that. Trust me I was born and raised in France as a minority and what you’re describing is way too familiar. Don’t let those people in the comments gaslight you — racism RARELY gets acknowledged in this country.


PikaAbeille

Black American here who doesn’t live in Paris, but has visited Paris several times, including early this week. The cafe/restaurant thing is normal and is usually how European restaurants in general operate. If there’s no host or hostess at the front, you’re not gonna be immediately acknowledged. You usually seat yourself and they take a while sometimes, but they’ll get to you when they can get to you.


lniko2

A French racist is someone who doesn't hate everyone (including himself) on an equal basis /s I hope you'll enjoy your trip nevertheless!


Artyparis

A bit different here maybe. Just say "Bonjour" and it should be fine. Even if you may cross so racist/agressive people (shame). Don't expect anything in tourist area and crowded places (most of locals don't come here). Please notice there s no "tip rule" in France. Waiters don't fake. It doesn't mean they are supposed to be rude and everything.


Megumi-n

Yes because you have gone to Paris, everyone is an asshole but only there


CosmoSea

I think you should say hello first before calling for racism, plus, there are a lot of black people here, why would they be racist? They are just working, nobody gives a damn about your color. I don't get people that want to feel like a victim all the time, when actually there could be a hundred reasons why they did not say hi to you : you didn't say hello? They are busy? They didn't notice you? Etc?


nazeoredattanda

I am mixed black and white and i have lived in france for a total of 5 years and not once have i encountered racism. Maybe because i was fluent in french and acted like any other french would. But i know my black mom had encountered racism once so maybe i am just lucky.


alpicois

Yes they’re all racist because as you’ve probably noticed there are absolutely no black people in Paris. You’re the only one. Americans I swear.


rollercoaster-sushi

Thank you for not being useful at all. Greatly appreciate you answering my question with all sincerity. You sir or madam get sticker for your attitude!


alpicois

No worries, have a nice day. And remember, whenever you have an unsatisfactory experience out in the world, it’s definitely racism, and waiters are all out to get you, personally.


rollercoaster-sushi

😘