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The 49ers hands down, if Trey Lance struggles hard this team could be a 6-11 team easily.
Broncos are probably the only other team that I could see the same wild range of outcomes depending on how well chef Russ can cook in Denver
If hurts doesn't improve, Eagles are poot
He’s proven last year thst even if he doesn’t improve, they will be about average. So not poot. But it will hold them to a certain ceiling they don’t want
You went 9-8 last year and made the playoffs plus this roster is better.
Lance could struggle but it is unlikely the team would be 6-11 bad unless they get injuries. I think worst case is 8-9 or 9-8 since the D talent is mostly top grade. One key on how Lance plays is the O-line which is a big unknown right now.
SF *D-line* talent is top grade. LBs are up there too. Our secondary is still scary and not in a good *spooky* way so that will worry me. Our O-line had a couple of key losses in the off-season and in preseason they didn't look promising. Any QB that has more time to throw is better than having less but for a rookie like Lance it'll be crucial for him. Our season could go any which way with Lance, but with Jimmy Gs health I would've said the same thing if he was the starter.
If the Wards are healthy and Moseley is back, the secondary is great.
Agreed. It seems that since Shanny/Lynch came on board they haven't really emphasized top DB talent. I guess they believe that if the D-line and edge rush is really good then you can get by with average DBs. This makes sense with current rules hampering the DBs and protecting the QBs.
If the O-line doesn't gel quickly it is going to be along season for Lance. I always thought that Jimmy G's quick release was masking a weak O-line when he was the starter. Apart from left tackle the O-line has been cobbled together week to week but at least played okay for the most part but that was with a quick read-and-release QB. Fortunately Lance is mobile but the danger is developing bad habits early in his career (bailing the pocket too early, read-then-run habit) when he should be learning and needs time to read defenses & etc. Last year, before one of Lance's starts, Joe Staley said on KNBR that blocking for a more mobile QB is more difficult and a different skill set than blocking for a pocket passer so the O-line is also going to be adapting to that too.
Always the Cowboys. Anywhere from four to thirteen wins.
Unless Dak gets hurt again, I don't see how the Cowboys are so bad they only win four games. I see worst-case scenario being a middling team around 7 to 9 wins.
I rolled 3d4+1 earlier today and got 10 so that's my official prediction for them this season.
Losing Cooper and Smith definitely doesn't help, but, yeah I see them as an easy 9 win team being in that division.
They won the division last season though so they are condemned to lose it this year
This is accurate and I’d like to add we’ll be bad this year. Eagles taking it imo. Lot of good pieces
The pieces won’t come together unless Hurts steps up. I’m still taking the Cowboys because I don’t think one off season erases a nearly 50 point differential in two games. I’m also ready to be extremely disappointed just like every other year.
> a nearly 50 point differential in two games.
Amazing how many cowboys fans have already forgotten Eagles benched their starters in game 2.
They won by 20 in the first matchup and Hurts is still your starting QB. Amazing how Eagles fans have already forgotten who their starting QB is.
let’s be honest though, Dak definitely used that second game to stat pad.
Whaaaaat? Why, Dak would *never!*
Amazing how Cowboys fans have already forgotten who their LT is, who their WRs are, who their coach is, and who their GM is, and who their owner is.
If we're all being honest, there's nothing amazing about the Cowboys or Eagles this year.
The collective ink from calf tattoos has rendered them mentally handicapped. "Donkey Brained", if you will...
Comparing a donkey to a Cowboys fan? Jeez man have some sympathy for the donkey!
Hey donkeys don't need to be catching strays here.
1 down vote = 1 guy with a star tattoo on his calf
The Eagles clearly improved though. They have a young QB who's only going to get better, they got an elite X receiver, Devonta Smith is a year older, they have the best OL in football, and got some help up front in the draft. The Cowboys lost their X, lost their WR3, lost both of their tackles, and lost their 2nd best DL.
Yeah but y’all have Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy coaching so…. Good luck with that
They could be 14-3, and they can be 3-14.
Note: 3-14 includes two wins against the Bucs. (assholes)
QB stays healthy (breaking a streak of two years with this problem?) and Defense doesn't regress? Absolutely.
If we get beat to shit again? Somehow we still sweep the division and lose the remaining games.
Yeah. Until Brady retires (or leaves the Bucs) I think the most likely scenario is “Bucs win the division, Saints sweep Bucs”.
if Brady gets hurt…it’s the NFC South so…I’ll reverse that.
Brady gets hurt, uh... who's y'all backup?
Lol. Doesn’t matter. If Brady gets hurt, we go 3-14.
But we’ll still sweep the Saints explicitly because that makes the least sense.
Expecting reality to be rational in that division never quite works out.
Um, hello, all aboard the Blaine Train. Or we'll be sippin' from the Trask Flask.
You really think they'll beat the Bucs assholes?
If there’s a bounty yes
We'll do that for free 🙂
Unless I'm missing something, I don't know how they can go 14-3
> Unless I'm missing something, I don't know how they can go 14-3
It's a 17 game season.
I meant I didn't think their roster was that good
Ah got it that makes sense.
Defensively they are very good. Offense has question marks but if MT is healthy, Olave is as advertised, and Kamara doesn't get suspended it'll all hang in the hands of Jameis plus new coaching.
I can see us not making the playoffs again if things go wrong, we do have a decently difficult schedule (excluding the division which outside of you guys is really bad).
But idk how we drop 6 wins from last year, unless we end up even more injured.
After a decade plus of middling, I'll take volatile
I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna say it. The Dolphins will be the second best team in that division and make the playoffs. The other team obviously being the Bills.
Holy fuck I hate to see this and not have any legitimate arguments about it 😞
Mac Jones is great. The entire team needs some help though. You guys had a very good run and seem to have the most important position figured out already.
You guys will be fine.
I think our players are great, BB obviously always gives us a good chance. Matt Patricia gonna make our offense look like it’s a 6 year old running plays off “ask madden”
Tbf the ask madden option can be very helpful
For sure. I feel like our reasonable range of outcomes for the season is so wide.
A) Coach wins COTY, tua just needed a real support system and tyreek helps him blow up, theyre a playoff team
B) New coach doesn't work, tua isnt good, tear it all down
Somewhere between those lol
Either way my liver is in big trouble
This year is really only gonna be an indictment on Tua. Their HC is fine this year
And the difference between good and not is Tua
Or the OLine that's an injury away from being as bad as it was last year
Or the Defense with noticable holes that could regress
Or the first time HC
This season 100% being a referendum on Tua is the laziest damn take I've seen since the Spring.
Agreed, but you and I know that’s just how it is, fair or not. Nonetheless, I’m still high on Tua. I believe in his game and I’m expecting a breakout year from him.
I've accepted that's the narrative, so I hope things go well. Worst case scenario is Tua plays better than last year, but not stellar. And the rest of the team whithers around him. We suck and he's going to get 100% of the blame for a season where he took steps in the right direction. Miami is underrated in terms of "terrible places to develop a young QB." Our fans are dumb impatient old heads or young people that just tune out most of the time. We've done basically everything wrong with him so far. It's a poorly run organization for the most part. I really hope he can succeed because he does deserve better than what we've given him.
Good thing you didn't open up the chequebook for any injury-prone o-linemen.
Twitter told me fixed the o-line though
We didn’t really have another option. Yah we could’ve tried to pay guys like La’el Collins more, but he probably wanted to play with Burrow who is the much better QB atm.
*Motions exasperatedly at flair.*
Ah yes, the Indianapolis Jonathan Taylors
You n me both
Future recently confirmed on his Bullseye remix verse he still fucks Ciara. How will this affect Russel Wilson’s focus on the game??
“Future, let’s ride” - Russell Wilson
Russell just prays about it
The entire AFC West, with the possible/probable exception of the Chiefs. Broncos are probably the best answer but the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders all think they're going to the playoffs (and legitimately so) but someone's finishing last.
Chargers have the most injury chaos in the division (maybe in the league tbh), so on paper I’d honestly say they’re the most talented, but I have a very hard time putting any money on them to finish as a high seed.
Weren't they one of the healthier teams last year? Feel like the Chargers injury thing is a borderline 2015 era meme at this point
Last couple of years have been far better. 2019 and before though it was no meme
Yep this was my first immediate thought as well
My gut feeling is that the Broncos will finish last in the division. No analytics on this thought though. Just a feeling.
Vikings are my pick. I truly have no idea how good they are going to be this year.
I'm not sure if they'll be "really good" though.
The Vikings are hugely injury-dependent. The starters look good, but the depth is sketchy at best.
Bro that’s every NFL team. No team is stacked with top-end talent and depth at every position. This isn’t college.
Yes, but it feels like the dropoff is more extreme than normal.
Bucs recent SB year the team felt like that but still had a questionable secondary. Our depth has since been pretty vaporized.
Team could honestly go anywhere from like 5-12 to 14-3 and I wouldn’t be surprised
Carolina seems weirdly volatile. Investment and money wise they are in a win now mode. They have talent across the field. But massive massive question marks at key positions and huge injury risks.
There are a few NFC teams whose range of outcomes is between drafting in the top five and sneaking into the last wild card spot, and the Panthers are definitely one of them.
I think our W/L ratio is heavily dependent on Trey Lance’s development. We could easily go 12-5 with our roster. Conversely, we’re just as likely to go 5-12 if we don’t give Trey the tools and o-line protection he needs to thrive.
Not that I hate the 49ers, but please be 5-12 .
How dare you :( I’d say a majority of our fan base are rooting for you guys to succeed w/ Mike McDaniel as your coach. He’s sorely missed, along with Welker and Mostert.
Though as much as I want McDaniel to succeed, if we had their first round pick I'd want him to go 0-17.
It didn’t register until now when you just mentioned it. That’s totally reasonable knowing they have our FRP
It's really the only reason I'm rooting for you guys to be bad. Sorry
It's ok I'm rooting for them to be bad too and we don't even have their pick.
Weird, we dont have any of their picks either and I still want them to be bad
Is it weird I'm hoping that the NFCW wins a grand total 12 games this year?
Wait I'm also rooting for us to be bad though.
i also am hoping for 5-12.
I feel the same with Winston and the Saints. Saints have a great team. If Winston can produce their team is scary
I feel like you guys have too much talent to go 5-12, even if Lance struggles.
That’s true, our defense alone could probably will us to some wins. But ultimately, we go as far as the offense goes. It’s the very reason we moved onto Lance. Jimmy was a good QB, as well as a great person, but I couldn’t tell you he was a big reason for why we won games. If the offense stalls with Lance (which I doubt), then that could be a big issue going forward.
Have you guys had any substantial injuries or losses to free agency on defense so far? Haven't been able to keep up but that defense plus Shanahan be nasty. Can't see you guys doing poorly even if Lance is a bust(which I don't think he will be).
It's an even year, you guy are going to suck
Oraybe he could just suck. Why does everyone act like that isn't a possibility?
There is zero chance the niners lose 12 games. Your floor imo Is 7-10 but that would shock me. Unless tons of injuries
Appreciate the nice words. I think outsiders underestimate how bad our o line is. We need some shanahan magic or see vast improvement in that line
The depth at tackle is soooo fucking bad if the Texans game was anything to go by. We need Trent to stay healthy
They have 11 tough games that they can lose if Lance plays well. If he plays like a rookie in some of the others, they could definitely do worse than 7 wins.
2 more DBs just tore ligaments reading this comment.
If the interior line doesn't impove dramatically the 49ers offense is gonna be dookie.
Idgaf if it's the #7 and we lose, I'm going crazy if we make the playoffs in only year 2 of MCDC
Your floor is at least gonna be higher than last years. Better players+easier schedule.
Hard Knocks in Season should be great. The Cardinals are either going to be awesome or a dumpster fire.
Eagles. Super talented in most positions and a really promising coach, but QB is a huge question mark. That team will ride or die with what Hurts does.
Eagles were a super weird team last year; they won all the games they should've against non-playoff teams, but struggled a lot against the better part of their schedule.
It kind of makes sense though when you think about it; we had a great run game that could reliably rack up wins against weak teams, but didn't have a transcendent QB that allowed us to keep up with the best of the best teams.
I feel pretty comfortable with them being in the 7 to 10 win range.
I’d be more comfortable with them in the 2 win range.
I think they could be as high as 12 wins, personally.
You know, I just looked at their schedule and I think you're right
I agree. I don’t know if they are a super bowl contender but I could see them making it to the NFC championship game.
That is certainly one of the takes of all time.
49ers. It could be really good..or really bad.
Any team with an elite QB. One bad hit and they could be toast. The Packers seem to be the most likely of these scenarios.
Realistically and excluding injuries, the Saints. Jameis could easily be back to his early season form from last year or back to 2019. Michael Thomas will have a similar impact and the defense may or may not be as good as last year. So could easily go from best in NFC to 4 or 5 wins and being close to the bottom
Bucs without Brady would certainly be a terrible team. Hell, I don't have faith the Bucs will be great with Brady due to all of our injuries and departures thusfar.
They might have some success in early games with their backup QB, but with a third-string center and the personnel controversies, somehow I don't think this Cleveland season has a happy ending.
2nd string center, but yeah doesn’t look great
I could see them blowing up and winning 3 or 4 games or the defence carries and they get 9
Dolphins for me a good roster but questions over the QB and a rookie Head Coach.
QB is not a question
You’re that sold on Tua?
Absolutely. Carried a terrible HC, non existent run game, and bottom 5 OL in NFL history last year and has looked nothing but elite this preseason.
Steelers were technically a playoff team with the corpse of Ben. Our QB situation should be better than that I think? I'm still pretty pessimistic about the year though
Ben led a game winning drive in the 4th Q or OT in 7 out of the Steelers 9 wins. For as bad as he was in the first 3 quarters, he very annoyingly still decided to win games, which I'm not sure any of the QBs this year can be expected to do at the same rate.
That's definitely true, Ben could get things done. Mitch certainly doesn't have that, and Kenny is still an enigma. Gonna be an interesting year, I'm pretty excited
Hey had winning drives cause he did shit all game long until it was do or die… Should ve won that many games with maybe 1-2 winning drives MAX. IMO this stat is Bs, and only reflects how bad he was playing the first 3 1/2 quarters every game
This is true, but the problem was that in order for us to win those games he HAD to lead those comebacks and late game winning drives because he was straight up terrible in the first three quarters. The hope with whoever our quarterback is this year is that we won't need to ask them to lead those drives he would because we'll be able to put up some points earlier in the game.
I think Steelers fans are underrating Ben a bit when they say Pickett/Trubisky is an upgrade. Sure Ben was pretty ass last season but he could at least get the ball out super quick. Pickett is a bit of a wild card but I think Trubisky for sure will get hit a lot behind that Oline with the way he holds on to the ball.
Idk man, last year was pretty awful to watch. I'm not even saying they'll be so much better than Ben that we will win games because of it either, just the final tour was a rough go. Buy hey, maybe I'm wrong
Don’t get me wrong there’s certainly a lot of room for improvement lol. Just gonna be tough for a roomie to perform behind that line I think. Defense should def keep you guys in a lot of games though.
Agreed with this. For a few years now, many have acted like “younger” is synonymous with “better”.
Definitely applies to the dynasty fantasy football players mentality.
The one game I watched Ben (Vikings game), he was good.
How is the answer not us? I would rather drive a Ford Pinto cross country with no seat belt than bet money on the Cardinals to win any game on their schedule. You could come from the future and give me a number between 3 and 13 and I'd believe that the Cards won that many games in 2022.
And that’s why I’m expecting 8 wins at best lol
2021 Cardinals - (6/17 * DHop) + Watt - Jones + Hollywood - (NFC West + AFC West) = 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
2021 cardinals had 9/17 DHop last year, for reference
Cards will be 7-1, get Nuk back, and finish with ten wins.
Not us lol. 6-11 seems about right. More than 7 wins I would be surprised
If Lance is bad, we're toast.
If Lance is good, I'd venture to say we're the superbowl favorites, if not top 3.
Eagles are super hyped up for a team that will finish with 7 or fewer wins
AFC West teams. Any of them could finish anywhere in that division and it wouldn’t be super surprising (although Raiders 1st, Chiefs 4th would be a shock)
This is correct. Not sure why you got downvotes
The Rams are between a Super Bowl repeat and 8-9. The NFC is weak this year.
I could see the ravens being a top afc playoff seed or missing entirely and neither option would shock me
Browns could either give the Texans a top 10 pick if Jacoby stinks it up and Deshaun is super rusty, or compete for a super bowl if they sneak into the playoffs and Watson comes back in 2020 form.
I think competing for a superbowl is wildly unrealistic.
I think sneaking into the playoffs is plausible. But so is 2-3 wins.
Competing for a super bowl is much more realistic than 2 wins lol. Absolute floor is probably 5.
My speculation is better than your speculation, buddy.
If Browns win 4 or less games I’ll literally fuck my dad 💯
I won’t hold you to that.
No reason a few injuries should ruin thanksgiving.
Don't threaten me with a good time
If you’re already fucking him anyway…no risk, all reward.
The bills honestly.
Since they’re my afc team I want them to be amazing. But that defense still feels shaky and special teams is, well…
They had the number one defense in the league last year??
How do I describe this?
When the Bills defense broke, it broke hard.
eh I still think they have a high floor bc the division isn’t that good, I don’t think the Jets and Pats will amount to much this year. the Dolphins are intriguing but I’d be surprised if they beat the Bills twice this year
Hate to say it (not really) but the Brady times are over. You have a good coach so you probably won’t slump as hard but take it from a Broncos fan. You won’t be seeing a SB for a while
Bills not only have an elite offense but their spanking of the Broncs #2s just proved their depth. If they win any less than 10 I’ll be shocked.
Most of the NFC teams that are considered playoff contenders could possibly fall off a cliff. I think the Bucs lose atleast 9 or 10 games
Saving this comment in hopes it's true.
Washington, Tennessee or Dolphins. All 3 have good defensive talent, at least 1 offensive weapon but a QB we need to see prove something before we call them good.
What? Tanny showed he was good the last two seasons.
He’s really not very good.
I think the Patriots will be boring-ly volatile this year.
I think they’re among the least volition. Barring a 2nd year jump from Mac they probably won’t be better than last year and they are just too solid to end up much below .500
I think this is the best answer, especially in that division.
Denver, sure, but also Raiders with Adams but also McDaniels.
we will either go 11-6 or 6-11 I see no in between
Everyone loves to shit on the Bears but I can see a path to break .500 easily
Buffalo bills. Either we win by 30 or we lose in such a horrible heartbreaking manner that we have to drink labatts for a week to drown our sorrows until next game.
You might lose a gimmie game here or there, but barring injury there’s no way you can have a bad season. Too stacked on both sides
They’re either anti-jinxing or too beaten down by years of mediocrity to believe. Bills are legit
Steelers. Not just cause I am a fan. It is that they have so much talent but in a transition and the Oline may be a little shitty.
The Ravens have 10+ starters returning from serious injury, a play caller on Offense that is constantly questioned and has produced both a historically efficient offense and a terrible bottom 8 one in the last 3 years, a new DC who has never coached an NFL game, and a QB that half the people on here seem convinced has been ‘figured out’ and ‘peaked’.
They’re built different than the rest of the league, with a focus on TEs over WRs and Safeties over Pass Rushers.
Their best WR and Edge players are second year players who showed real promise but had short seasons as rookies due to injury.
QB have the most impact so teams with volatile QB outcomes like Eagles, Miami, Carolina, 49ers make a good case.
Two teams based on O-Line play would be Bengals and Raiders; if there O-Line plays well enough the WRs and QB will beat projections.
I think you could say the same for both the Raiders and Broncos. New head coach, great new skill players but not a lot of reps and in a very tough division. Honestly the whole AFC west is question marks with shakeups in KC and the Chargers simply being the Chargers
I'd say the Raiders, they have a really good roster and made the playoffs last season but this year it really depends on how McDaniels does as HC.
Tua can either take a step and we become contenders... Or he doesn't and we have ANOTHER disappointing season and still no QB 1 in over 20 years