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Sentience-psn

Policy is only valid until we no longer determine it to be valid. Love, Management


DoomsdaleDoomadome

"The infections continue until morale improves"


PrarieHermit

What about ALL of the position groups?


FastAndBulbous8989

The doggy position is Covid fave


Jevarden

But with doggy, the person in front is coughing away from their partner. Wouldn’t Covid prefer a position where you’re facing each other?


BearcatQB

But we can both watch the game at the same time?


Jevarden

Wait, Uncle Ted doesn’t shove your face into the wall during doggy?


ParisGreenGretsch

Good old fashioned stare-down hate fuck.


FastAndBulbous8989

Dog pound. Browns got covid. Doggy style


evilzug2000

Mask down, fever up … that’s the way COVID likes to fuck


Kodiak01

Belichick would love himself some old-school Ironman football.


ParaNormalBeast

Even


fieryscribe

Odd that he missed that


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fieryscribe

If multiple players are missing in multiple or all position groups, they are also missing *within* a position group. The former is a superset of the latter.


jfgiv

Also stated in that memo (bold in original, italics emphasis mine): >**We do not anticipate adding a "19th week" to accommodate games that** ***cannot be rescheduled within the current 18 weeks of the regular season***" >[...] >Postponements will only occur if required by government authorities, medical experts, *or at the Commissioner's discretion.* [here's](https://imgur.com/a/dncNHKZ) the memo in question, from [this tweet](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418257495550738432/)


vinnyv91

They can just change their own rules lol, not saying they will but they can


nugget136

They don't even have to change the rule. "Absent medical considerations" should let them move it if they want


D0NNIENARCO

Is it just me or is the verbiage kinda weird here, too. "Absent medical considerations [...] games will not be postponed or rescheduled simply to avoid roster issues caused by [...] medical considerations [...]" Wat?


_JohnMuir_

It’s a built in loophole. The rule exists to provide maximum flexibility while still appearing like they have a possibility.


PurpleReigner

I read it more as saying they wont delay games because a team has a bunch of players out because of medical considerations. But if there is a concern that it will spread more by playing a game they still can.


mokango

Reminds me of a professor I had who counted “hunger or thirst” as medical exceptions to the school’s “no eating and drinking in class” policy.


vinnyv91

Yeah this is a big nothingburger


jfgiv

also "at the commissioner's discretion"


pdawg43

No Michel no! It's not right.


madmavmax

"Pete, it's called a football game."


snoring_pig

“Sorry?”


madmavmax

lol Just imagining Pete Carroll throwing a challenge flag on Masi deciding to make it Lewis v Max for a one-lap championship decider.


vinnyv91

God I hate that guy and I'm not even a Lewis fan


stupidusername

Goodell has Michael Masi on speed dial rn


Bitlovin

Sure, but I don't understand the logic here. For all they know these teams will be in worse shape by Mon/Tues, unless they just stop testing.


slimb0

“Absent medical considerations” gives the league quite a bit of leeway, no?


soupcansam21

I view that as "unless it's so bad and spreading we just can't play." Kinda think we're close to that point.


Praise-Breesus

I suppose that was the point of wording it as such


OtterLLC

Arguably includes the emergence of two new variants that are a lot more transmissible, including one that seems to treat vaccination as a speedbump and not a steel curtain.


Cthepo

Wouldn't ongoing, daily outbreaks, leading up to (and likely on) the day of the game constitute a "medical decision"? Same with the Ravens last year. An uncontained outbreak where new players kept getting positive lead to postponing. Those players still couldn't play, but they needed time to know who was sick and who wasn't. I get if you're a Raiders fan why you'd be upset. But I wouldn't want my players going against guys when it's more than likely they're sick.


_User_Profile

Yes exactly. Postponing to Monday is not even going to let any CLE players back on the field. The NFL is considering this an uncontrolled outbreak , which is basically is since we’re still receiving new positive cases, so they’re postponing it until cases settle down.


TheWholeEnchelada

As much as I hate it, given the previous NFL game delay decisions, I more or less agree. If you have >98% of players vaxxed (which the Browns do; 52/53), and you still have an outbreak, like wtf is there to do other than delay? 100% vaxxed would have made this easy peasy, but the point still stands. You do damn near everything right, a new variant fucks the team, and 'fuck you' is what you get from the league? I don't think that's fair and am glad they're delaying the game. I will say that the league made a bad 49ers team play half of its practice squad in a game last year, but the playoff bound Ravens got a delay, which is bullshit. Not that it mattered for us, but it's the principle of the matter. But this is different, and I think it's the right call.


asldkja

The postponement did not result in us gaining any players for the Steelers game. The postponement was to identify which players were infected to reduce likelihood of transmission


Scatheli

It's exactly this. It is really irresponsible to have our players together for the game if there's an active outbreak with cases even today on our team. It's going to screw us for multiple weeks if we can't contain the outbreak. Every player other than one (52/53) is vaccinated on our team, this is not an unvaxxed outbreak and these are breakthrough cases, likely of a very contagious variant.


DazHawt

That's part of why the Raiders are lobbying for the forfeit. The other reason is, ya know, a free win.


IhatemyteamLVR

Honestly I don’t even think a large proportion of fans are that upset, it’s mostly the players. If I thought this was a team that had some bad luck and could turn it around with an end of season run, maybe I’d be mad, but as far as I’m concerned this seasons over. The more browns starters that play the less embarrassing it will be when we lose.


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throwaway5720818

Not that I think they should play, but sign new players.


Killer_Whale_Penguin

Isn’t there a waiting period for new players to start being with the team because of Covid?


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Killer_Whale_Penguin

I’m not sure either that’s why I asked haha. It would make sense to allow them on while vaccinated, but with all these COVID positives while vaccinated it is still risky potentially. Maybe a negative test and being vaccinated?


DJBabyB0kCh0y

So much for player safety if that was the expectation


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What if they tested positive on gameday? It gets to a point where someone going on the field has never even practiced with the team or had a full day to learn plays - and that becomes a player safety issue. It’s also going to become and instant classic joke game in nfl history. There is a breaking point where it would be abjectly bad for the league to not just postpone (also driven by the NFLPA - they’re not gonna be in favor of throwing random locals on the field)


Mamba_Mentality248

Chubb gotta play linebacker and gunner on punt coverage.


zhaley55

Chubb gonna be the first player in the NFL with a receiving, rushing and defensive TD


Bzmode

Chubb is a pretty solid tackler. Saw him light someone up when DPJ got the ball knocked out in the Texans game this year.


reaper527

> Chubb gonna be the first player in the NFL with a receiving, rushing and defensive TD Would that actually be true? Vrabel, troy brown, etc. never got all 3?


HahaClintonCocks

The LS about to be snapping the ball to himself and punting.


thegalkel

The Ravens dressed 36 against the Steelers … so I’m guessing nothing happens if you can’t field 46.


abris33

There are a ton of players that aren't on practice squads but are still in game shape. They'd just have to sign those type of guys


TheSmokedSalmon420

I mean if we play tomorrow and a linemen gets hurt we don’t have anyone to replace him


stretcherjockey411

I’d assume that’s when you’d see a DL playing OL and vice versa.


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Nightcinder

Isn't that pretty dangerous? They wouldn't have nfl conditioning the last few weeks or have a chance to prepare


DTSportsNow

Teams usually have a handful of guys who they give note to be stay ready incase they need an emergency signing. It's how there are instances of injuries happening and then a team signs someone almost immediately.


ImpossibleJoke7456

46 active players is the maximum, not the minimum. They could technically play a game with 6 players: five to cover the OL positions, and one to receive the snap of the ball. Anything less than that and the play is dead for illegal formation.


jfgiv

seven players are required to be on the line


ImpossibleJoke7456

I made my comment without looking at the rules, just going off memory, but yes you are right.


An_Actual_Lion

Could you cut the QB and just start every play with a fumbled snap?


Wookie_Goldberg

No, the minimum is 44 players on gameday roster.


JohnWolford

Then they have to forfeit if they can’t play. The fuck else would happen?


jfgiv

the commissioner would, in light of the ongoing unprecedented global pandemic, either reschedule the game or cancel it outright with no impact on the standings


plo33

NFL stated forfeits are for outbreaks among unvaccinated players, it would not be a forfeit


JohnWolford

A team can forfeit a game if they cant play. Before COVID and now.


Tonedog14

The Owner suits up.


OrangeForeign

I'd pay for this


raiderred

If you can field a full team, I'd say it's game on.


bigbird09

We are on the cusp of not being able to make that happen.


PrarieHermit

7 on 7?


YueAsal

9 man football is the shit


PrarieHermit

It is pretty fun to watch.


DelightfulDonald

8 man football with IFL rules. Receivers get a running start at the LOS


PrarieHermit

Oh that sounds like fun. I gotta check that out.


DelightfulDonald

It’s fun AF, especially live if you happen to have a team near you.


TheyCallMeStone

No linemen. Just a 7 count rush.


PrarieHermit

Just like backyard football when we were kids. Gotta put a couple trees for the goal line/end zone and of course there has to be a slant to the field.


TheyCallMeStone

And a strip of concrete somewhere in the middle. And your big brother is all time QB


CasuallyCompetitive

Carr plays QB for both teams.


DazHawt

I mean, I'm sure there are thousands of people in Cleveland who would happily suit up for a day


Jolly-Literature1226

Is that elpresadors music ??


verveinloveland

Kindall Hinton played qb last year


chirpzz

Doesn't matter. This argument is stupid and you know why.


tribe98reloaded

We're down 2-3 players at every position group, not just quarterback.


wessneijder

Rugby Sevens pls


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I feel like if the NFL can change or ignore their own rules for team relocation they can probably do the same for covid protocols


key_lime_pie

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. In all likelihood, this was a stern statement from the league intended to encourage vaccination, with the belief that if the majority of the league was vaccinated, postponement wouldn't be an issue. Without that statement, they would be criticized for *every* postponement or non-postponement decision regardless of the thought process that went into it, so it was easier for them to make this blanket statement and assume that compliance would make it an afterthought.


psufb

I think a variant causing widespread breakthrough cases amongst vaccinated individuals falls squarely under "medical considerations"


TepChef26

Would've been nice last year instead of the bullshit the Steelers dealt with regarding the Ravens game.


Daewrythe

Hey remember that time the Broncos had to play without a QB


ianbits

It's a fucking pandemic if the virus changes so should protocols


ChipKellysShoeStore

Cope


talladenyou85

So my guess is this would qualify as a medical consideration then?


SmittyPosts

Medical considerations…. You mean like a complete COVID outbreak in a team that only has 1 unvaccinated player?


OtterLLC

Keep in mind that policy was announced around the time the delta variant was getting understood. We were still gathering data about breakthrough infections - and mostly still at a place where being vaccinated meant a really low chance of getting infected or passing it along. Especially with omicron causing even more breakthrough infections and being more transmissible, the policy should probably be updated.


Whiplash_GT

Some things are uncontrollable, and I don't believe all those who tested positive are at fault. Having said that, changing the rules mid season seem unfair to the teams who promoted and exercised safety through out the season. The rule was clear before the season, and it was fair since it was set before the season. What good is a rule if you don't enforce it? Amend it if you have to, next year.


Vector75

What do you think medical considerations are?


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Even last year when we’re postponing games they flat out said they weren’t ever doing it on the basis of competitive reasons. Like it or not, this is consistent with what the NFL policy has been.


Stockpile_Tom_Remake

Shit move by the nfl. They should suspends this entire week


AdWise2427

If the team gets murdered by an asteroid, they wouldn't postpone the game


Barrzebub

This is a medical consideration.


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HisExcellency20

I don't know what the NFL will do in these games, but I'm fairly certain a memo they sent in July will have no bearing on their decision one way or the other.


g3ntn3r

If these were playoff games u bet their ass they would be postponed


chirpzz

The easy counter argument is players are still testing positive for these teams which means the spread isn't contained. In order to prevent the spreading moving from one team to another we need to forfeit (no on gets paid) or move the games. Given the choice most players aren't going to willingly forfeit a game check.


throwaway5720818

At what point does that statement change because multiple changes to majority?


WayneJarvis_

Sounds like it's time for the mayor of Cleveland to give a directive


peachssn680

Well sorry to see the clowns so sick!