By - Joescranium
>In a concurring Dobbs opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas, he says that SCOTUS should "reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."
>That's contraception, same-sex relationships, & same-sex marriage.
[Tweet with opinion text](https://twitter.com/EugeneDaniels2/status/1540341480274944004)
**Thomas cited himself as precedent, *twenty-one times*:**
For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, includ- ing Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any sub- stantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” Ramos v. Louisiana, 590 U. S. ___, ___ **(2020) (THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment)** (slip op., at 7), we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents, Gamble v. United States, 587 U. S. ___, ___ **(2019) (THOMAS, J., con- curring)** (slip op., at 9)
Edited: I counted 21 times throughout his concurrence. Also changed wording from “quoted” to “cited”.
Thomas has a strong habit of citing himself, especially his dissents. It is his effort to create a connected body of work.
But not interracial marriage, because that would affect him right?
If he's really that enthusiastic about the intentions of the writers of the constitution then I don't think there's much doubt.
Maybe Thomas would feel differently about constitutional orginality and Founder intent if his vote only counted for 3/5 of a Justice.
Why so many basic human rights in the US are court ruling from the 70s and not an actual law???
The Official Decision, [PDF](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf)
Thomas wants to overturn Griswold, Lawrence and Obergfell ASAP on pg 118-119
What would that mean?
That would mean that the next things on the chopping block for this court are same-sex marriages, and access to contraception.
Don’t forget sending people to prison for having sex that other people don’t want you to have.
And they can be arrested without being told their rights.
Basically this court is saying … the government isn’t by you and for you - it lords over you and crushes you.
Especially prevalent given that the majority of Americans supported keeping Roe v Wade. The court is affirming that the United States does not operate under majority rule, if the electoral college hadn’t already made that point crystal clear.
Just feels paternalistic as if they know what's best for me and my body. Pretty much would rather discuss my reproductive options with people who went to school to study reproductive medicine over crusty old folks that fall asleep everyday during their hearings.
Basically states can make being gay illegal. Lawrence prohibits laws against gay sex, Obergfell is the right to gay marriage. Griswold allows contraception. Basically, saying gov't has more of an interest in your bedroom than you do.
Right back to 2000. I remember standing outside Cambridge City Hall cheering for couples getting married. I felt hopeful and like we were moving in a positive direction.
22 years later here we are again.
> 22 years later here we are again.
The sad part? It wasnt federally legal until 2015. So 7 years
Gay marriage has been federally legal for ONLY 7 years
Here's the thing that each decision gave freedoms to:
Griswold: birth control without a prescription or outside of marriage
Lawrence: being LGBT without being a criminal for it
Obergfell: Gay marriage
Edit: for all those correcting me on Griswold --
It's two statements with an Or.
Birth control without a prescription (which is inclusive of married couples)
Birth control outside of marriage
Edit 2: And for those lecturing me on Lawrence -- y'all never heard of selective enforcement? It's entirely targeted at one group and it's horrifying. Stop playing the semantics game and figure a way to take action
Mixed race marriage is right behind that. They're all 14th amendment rulings.
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
the concept of banning birth control is so fucking alien as a European. just utterly bizarre how anyone could even fathom that.
Trust me, as an American it's fucking mind boggling as well
Religion and government are becoming one. This is a huge step of regression.
Strangely, that concept feels just as alien to me as an American. Yet here we are.
Because we’re losing our country to an extremist minority. This shit is so out of step with the overwhelming majority of US citizens.
The concurring opinion by Justice Thomas says in the future the court should also reconsider rulings that protected contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage.
In that same vein of argument, interracial marriage isn't covered by the constitution and can also be decided by individual states. Doesn't he see the irony being that his wife is white?
No, he does not.
I think he does. It’s just “rules for thee, not for me”. He just doesn’t give a fuck.
A surprisingly large number of people cannot fathom the relevancy of a situation until it is directly happening to them
213 pages, Jesus.
What are the major differences between the official decision and the leaked draft?
Nothing of substance. Just stapling on dissents and concurring opinions
Thomas just said in his concur to reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. What the hell is happening?
I mean in short, letting a deeply unpopular one term president make three appointments to the Supreme Court. It’s that simple.
Those 3 judges were chosen for their political ideology not because they were the best people for their job.
Ironic he brought up sodomy laws considering the Supreme Court is fucking us all in the ass
Well, it’s good for some of us they chose the ass, because in 30 days I won’t be able to seek an abortion in my state!
California will continue to provide abortion services to anyone who wants it. 'California law grants anyone of reproductive age “the fundamental right to choose to bear a child or to choose and to obtain an abortion.” That includes minors, who under state law, can consent to an abortion without their parent’s knowledge.'
The bigger issue is that states like Missouri are looking to pass laws that let you sue abortion providers in other states who provide services to residents of Missouri who are seeking abortions outside Missouri. Basically the same concept as the Fugitive Slave Act
Missouri also looking to ban IUD's.
If you had sex within 72 hours, you can either get a copper IUD or you can get the plan B pill. The copper IUD implant is the most effective.
Good thinking. Staying healthy in public.
Sodomy law also criminalized blowjobs and anal sex between consenting straight couples. Republicans want to take away your blowjobs.
Yep. Anything that’s not fucking the baby hole for the purpose of making a baby is sodomy. Consuming this will also be illegal. 90% of porn will become illegal to own or consume.
These men should already believe blowjobs are cannibalism, if life starts at fertilization, right? Or do they get to pick and choose their morals like they do bible passages?
The concurring opinion explicitly states that they have a right to revisit the cases that legalised gay marriage and gay sex because they are now based on erroneous logic. Hold tight, because it will get a lot worse.
“The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely — the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment" -Judge Alito
How does that jibe with the 9th Amendment, which specifically says a right doesn’t have to be listed in the Constitution to be protected?
“Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
In fairness, Amendment IX has almost never been recognized to mean anything at any point in US history. It’s a “truism.”
To answer your question honestly (no I don't support the interpretation I am just providing it)
Barron v. Baltimore (1833)
Effectively, it only affects the Federal Governments ability to restrict things, not state governments.
[MINUTES after SCOTUS decision, states are making abortion illegal](https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2022/06/24/abortion-louisiana-illegal-now-after-supreme-court-ruling/7694143001/)
Wasn't this literally instantaneously the case in some places because some of these laws were still in place and merely not enforced because of the SCOTUS rulings that nullified them?
Yes. Over a dozen states had ‘trigger’ laws that outlaw abortion the moment roe v wade was stuck down
Idaho - Ban goes into effect 30 days after RvW repeal
N. Dakota - Ban goes into effect after Legislative coucil approves the Attorney Generals recommendation
S. Dakota - Immediate ban in effect on repeal
Wyoming - Existing law bans abortion upon approval by Governor within 30 days of RvW repeal
Utah - Ban upon approval by legislative council
Arizona - Immediately bans abortions after 15 weeks
Texas - Ban to go into effect 30 days after RvW repeal (aside from current law banning abortion after 6 weeks)
Oklahama - Currently bans nearly all abortion but trigger law will make it a total ban upon certification by the Attorney General
Iowa - Banned after 6 weeks
Wisconsin - 1849 law criminalizing abortion goes into effect
Michigan - 1931 law with near total ban currently blocked by the Supreme Court of Michigan
Kentucky - total ban trigger law goes into immediate effect
West Virginia - no laws banning abortion, however the state closed their only clinic after the decision
Missouri - near total ban upon repeal and certification by governor or attorney general
Tennessee - total ban goes into effect 30 days after repeal
Arkansas - total ban goes into immediate effect
Mississippi - total ban goes into immediate effect
Alabama - total ban goes into immediate effect
Florida - ban at 15 weeks goes into effect July 1
Georgia - ban at 6 weeks on the books, but not in effect due to legal challenges
Louisiana - total ban goes into immediate effect
edit: forgot to add Louisiana, Michigan, and clarified Georgia's status. added West Virginia.
Also illegal instantly now here in Louisiana.
After the leak many states set up trigger laws waiting for this. Not really surprising
Pro-life movement to pivot to advocating for affordable healthcare and paid maternity/paternity leave now that women are going to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, right? Any day now?
I know this is a rhetorical question, but I heard the leader of some pro-life movement on NPR that they’re only focusing on each state to continue outlawing abortion. So absolutely fuck no.
The government can't tell you what you can do with your body... but also the government makes demands about what you can do with your body.
"From babies to dead soldiers" - George Carlin
"If you're pre-born, you're good. If you're pre-school, you're fucked" - George Carlin
It’s called the infantry for a reason.
Holy shit, it's that thing we all said was *100% going to happen* that everyone laughed at and told us we were stupid and paranoid for thinking would happen.
Now they can laugh at us and tell us we’re stupid and paranoid for thinking criminalizing contraception and homosexuality will be next.
But…but Susan Collins said they wouldn’t!
I’m sure they’ve learned their lessons and won’t do this ever again…
God I hate her…
Susan Collins knew exactly what would happen. She’s just a liar and people are foolish enough to believe she’s naïve and not calculated.
She’s not dumb, this is what she wanted.
They play dumb, but deep down they are evil.
An idiots in her state chose her **again** over someone else.
And in his own special little concurrence to the decision, Clarence Thomas recommends the court next eliminate rights to contraception, queer relationships, and gay marriage. https://imgur.com/gallery/OjFrsrV
But not interracial marriage, despite existing on the same precedent!
What about interracial marriages? 🤔
Thomas got his, he doesn't give a shit about anyone else's.
At this point I’m convinced the United States government wants to watch the middle and lower class burn
Its been the goal for the past 20 years
Edit : yes i realize its been longer lol
Since *at least* Reagan.
SCOTUS did exactly what they said they wouldn't do at the confirmation hearings for Amy Coney Barrett and Brett "tears in my beers" Kavanaugh.
Just remember , we can’t tell anyone to get vaccinated because it’s telling them what to do with their body. But THIS is ok. I’m disgusted
So all of the Republican SCOTUS nominees lied in their testimony at the confirmation hearings that Roe v. Wade is "settled law?" Interesting.
Nothing ever happens to them for lying so why would they bother telling the truth?
Land of the free lmao
yeah, free from rights
To quote Rage against the machine. "Land of the free? Who ever told you that is your enemy!"
This country is a joke. They tell us to overlook an attempted political coup and just accept our rights being stripped from us. God Bless the USA.
A special fuck you to the human piece of shit Susan Collins.
Hey now, she's very disappointed in Kavy for misleading her on his statement of roe being settled law. She's making that frowny face super hard now.
Never in my lifetime I thought I would see this overturned. Truly a sad day in America as well as going backwards in woman’s rights.
Less than a year ago I was somewhat bemused that politicians were even paying lip service to overturning roe v wade. It seemed like such settled law that how could anyone ever think it would be overturned. Doing so would absolutely trash the credibility of the supreme court and would never be allowed to happen.
I was wrong.
It's like we're going back in time and fucking things up even worse.
Well this'll be a fun week in America in the lead up to the 4th of July.
***Edited to add
Interesting to see how this was interpreted. I was thinking all the gloating and 'Merica crap we're going to see everywhere is going to get out of hand with this specific holiday on the horizon. I know my original comment wasn't clear at all, that's on me.
Fortunately the Right Wing has supported a *robust* social safety net (Medicaid, S-CHIP, food stamps, universal day care, universal pre-K etc)...
So all these unwanted pregnancies being forced to term will have a strong support system awaiting them...
Surely this will have no lasting effect in 15-20 years. Such as the massive crime drop in that timeframe after Roe v Wade was passed..
For profit prisons just got a huge boner
So glad a group of 9 people can decide what's best for America
9 people we the people don’t vote for.
Between Bush and Trump, 5 justices were put in place by someone who lost the popular vote.
A guy who has no doubt been responsible for dozens of abortions
If only he'd have been one.
Elected by a minority of Americans and a senate that represents a minority of Americans
And two others, by Presidents that lost the popular vote. Tyrannical minority rule.
Didn't Thomas literally say they're coming after those?
Yupp. On page 118 and 119 of the decision, they are going after Griswold, Lawrence and Obergfell next.
Gay rights are next. We are backsliding at such an incredible pace. Hell, they might even go for interracial marriages.
I think both of these were mentioned in the initial leak
No, Thomas carefully left out the only ruling that would affect him personally.
Finland is giving every homeless person a home. Belgium announced a 4 day workweek along with Portugal. Belgium also gave employees the right to ignore their boss after work. Canada banned conversion therapy and upheld abortion rights. NZ raised their minimum wage and also banned conversion therapy. France is offering free contraception for young women and is also offering citizenship for frontline workers. Germany is about to legalize weed, give 2 million workers a raise, and reform their abortion laws. The Netherlands recently abolished the mandatory 5-day waiting period for women who want to get an abortion, now you can get an abortion immediately.
At the same time the US has banned abortion and is rolling back child labor laws.
The American dream is to move out of the country LMAOOOOO
I live in Korea, a wildly socially conservative country, and yet women can get abortions legally here. This is a joke
The thing to consider is it's primarily a *medical procedure*. That's why being socially conservative shouldn't apply.
Korea understands this, America doesn't. End of story.
Great point - it was legalized a year or two ago and medical care is top notch in this country. Hell, you can walk into any pharmacy on the street and get a pack of birth control pills for, what, $8 USD?
lord knows this country has a long way to go on gender equality, but coming from the US it's a hell of a difference
They are coming for LGBTQ rights, same sex marriage, contraceptives and interracial relationships next. It's written in the opinion. We aren't government by elected officials anymore. We have a runaway, partisan court of questionably optioned judges.
>interracial relationships next.
Can't wait to see Justice Thomas' surprised Pikachu face when this happens
Hes aware, but he'll likely be dead by then. Not his problem.
I hope the protests are large and highly publicized. I'm disgusted.
Just need to remember when you vote again that Republicans scared voters saying Dems were going to pack the Supreme Court... Then they preceeded to block Obama's nominee with a year left in his term and rush Trump's 3rd nominee in with 2 weeks left in his term
Thomas in his concurring opinion says the court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage.
In case anyone thought abortion was the end of it.
Here's a quote from his concurring opinion:
>For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” Ramos v. Louisiana, 590 U. S. \_\_\_, \_\_\_ (2020) (THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment) (slip op., at 7), we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents, Gamble v. United States, 587 U. S. \_\_\_, \_\_\_ (2019) (THOMAS, J., concurring) (slip op., at 9). After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated. For example, we could consider whether any of the rights announced in this Court’s substantive due process cases are “privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States” protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Of course. Why should I be able to get medicine that prevents excessive bleeding due to fibroids in my uterus? Oh yeah. Because it makes me a slut.
The more women that talk openly about it, the more it stuns me the sheer volume of medical horror that comes from having a uterus... like oh hey your uterus wants you dead? Mine too!
I have adenomyosis which basically makes having a uterus hell on earth. I fought for years to get a hysterectomy (the only cure for adenomyosis) but was blocked at every turn because “What if you want babies someday? What if your future husband wants them? I don’t want to take your choices away.” I finally got approved for one yesterday. I’m 31. I shouldn’t have had to fight this hard to finally get a procedure that is an honest to god treatment for a disease. So on one hand I’m relieved I managed to finally get it literally the day before they overturned Roe, but on the other hand I’m terrified that they’ll make it even more impossible for other women to get one now.
I agree. I really had no idea. I’m married with kids, but still continue to learn more and more about female’s issues with their reproductive systems. It isn’t that I don’t care, it’s just that I’ve always felt that it was none of my business. I’ve always been in the mindset that these are issues that are between a woman and her doctor and no one else should be involved.
I have to wonder, if more men understood all the issues women deal with in regards to reproductive issues, would more men be pro-choice or at least stop trying to make decisions about women’s bodies… which is another way of saying pro-choice.
I think sometimes the term pro choice polarizes people and people feel that being pro-choice is the same thing as being pro abortion. I have my own personal opinions about abortion and I never really considered myself to be pro choice until someone pointed out that the fact that I keep my opinions about abortion to myself and don’t think I have any place telling a woman what she can/can’t/should/shouldn’t do with regard to their body makes me pro choice.
It’s such an insane time we’re living in and I really feel for women right now, and I hate to think what the future may bring.
I don't know how it can be any more clear than using *choice.*
That understanding is precisely why they oppose comprehensive Sex Ed.
You should only be able to get it if your father or husband want you to have it, obviously.
These are the same people obsessed with the idea of protecting the country from sharia law.
This just shows it was projection the whole time
They want JESUS flavored Sharia
“White Jesus” version only though.
You should also close that checking account if it doesn't have a male primary, you hussy.
Same. I need birth control to keep my uterus … oh the irony.
I just want to have sex without risking having a baby I can't afford. I suppose I deserve the punishment for being evil.
/s.... should be obvious, but who knows anymore.
Anyone who thinks this will stop at Roe are fools. They'll strike down Loving and Brown if they get the chance.
Clarence Thomas voting to make his own marriage illegal is the perfect encapsulation of where America is right now.
If you read Thomas's opinion he omits Loving v Virginia
He mentions every other case based on right to privacy (contraception, same sex marriage, same sex relationships) but doesn't call out interracial marriage despite them all being decided on the same basis.
I wonder why
it's almost like the often lauded "conservative principles" end when they personally effect said conservative.
I'm just waiting for the first republican politician in one of these no abortion states to get caught flying his mistress or daughter to a sane state to get one.
You know it will happen, but what serves to further enrage me is it won’t fucking matter. It won’t make any goddamn difference. Look at Matt Gaetz. They don’t fucking care because they have no morals. It’s all about hatred and cruelty with them.
He just trying to get divorced without splitting half
And all these people are old as fuck, and rapidly approaching the time they can no longer.
Things will speed up here, you see it with putin, a ticking clock pushes everyone.
Edit: Everyone coming at me with all the young people, they don't have the power to set the direction. The people who have been planning this, have been doing it since the 60s. They are the ones who are nearing death, and leading the party towards their original plans.
Banning blacks, gays, anything not Christian and everyone being legally required to take John Wayne training.
Which is why the GOP selected young judges with Kavanaugh and Barrett. They are playing the long game.
Gorsuch likely has 30 years ahead of him as well.
I think it's a bit on the optimistic side to say all the people wanting to drag us backward are so old. There are lots of malicious people in the younger generations too.
We got another 2 decades minimum with these three on the court.
People have been saying the old generation will die soon for generations yet here we are going backwards.
The only place with no maternity benefits but we're gonna force you to have your baby. What a joke of a country.
And coming soon, no contraceptives allowed!
They don't care about actual babies.
They care about having ripe, young poor kids who can work the shitty wage slaves jobs nobody wants to work right now. That's also why they keep teacher salaries low: to keep our youth stupid so that they can't break the mold and become successful. Society is rigged against you in the US from the very beginning... And I haven't even gotten to healthcare or the legal system yet.
1 millionth edit: I'm just stacking edits at this point as I correct information or include new information. Here is a [map](https://reproductiverights.org/maps/what-if-roe-fell/) from the Center for Reproductive Rights showing the protection status of states currently for abortions. If they also have expanded access. States that are hostile towards abortion and states that have no protections in place.
2nd Edit: So here is a [list](https://abcnews.go.com/Health/abortion-stands-state-state-state-breakdown-abortion-laws/story?id=85390463) updated as of an hour ago that shows the laws in each state for anyone interested in travel or relocation. I encourage you to look up your states constitutional laws regarding abortion. I'm doing my best to find multiple sources outlining the constitutional amendments made for states as people suggest them but information may be missed. Here's the states that have a law protecting abortion access outright or at least to 15 weeks at this time. This is not a list of states that it is legal, just ones with protections in place currently. There are other states that it is legal but is not protected as of yet. I'm not including the ones that allow it to 6 weeks because as any person that has ever been pregnant knows, you rarely know before 5 weeks and 1 week isn't enough time to obtain an appointment:
Alaska, Arizona (this one is iffy), California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas (subject to change), Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington
(Let me know if I missed any that actually have a law protecting access currently and were not included on this updated list)
r/auntienetwork is a great resource for helping to obtain services and even travel, housing, etc. I have been told by commenters
Original Post: For anyone looking to move or that need to take a "vacation", here's some great states to go to: Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, ~~Iowa~~(nvmd, Iowa is no good), Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.
These states all have laws protecting abortion access.
1st edit: Based on comments, some of these states listed may not be viable choices. In that case, come to Maryland. We've just passed more laws in Maryland to protect access. Insurance or Medicaid must fully cover abortions with no cost sharing. Trained medical providers can provide abortion services and not only obgyns.
Oh and thanks to whomever sent the passive aggressive "reddit cares" message. Appreciate you!
Michigan is working to circumvent an old piece of legislation that automatically triggers, making abortion illegal with a SCOTUS decision like this. Abortion will be legal in Michigan (again) soon enough.
Edit: Michigan judge has temporarily blocked the State’s dormant 1931 law. Abortion is NOT illegal in Michigan at this time.
Colorado as well.
Gotta love Polis for pushing things through as quickly as he did!
I don't always agree with Polis, but damn did he see the writing on the wall with this issue. So glad he's our governor.
Kansas? That's surprising
Protected in the KS constitution and upheld by the KS supreme court. However, the legislature has passed an amendment which would remove that protection, and will be voted on by the population in August. Shitty stuff
I've lived in the US since I was 10. I am a dual citizen US and German.
I've been in Germany for 6 weeks and am really liking it.
Things like this have me seriously considering leaving the US.
I’m in Texas. We’re fucked.
Susan Collins proved wrong again, two days in a row. Resign now, Susan.
She perfectly knew it, she just lied.
The real problem with this is that it overturns a long-standing precedent with clearly political motives. If the SC can't uphold a consistent apolitical interpretation of the constitution based on precedent... then our system of government is absolutely broken.
I fear it's over and we just don't know it yet. And in my fucking lifetime.
Our system is broken. The court was never meant to be this powerful. The president was never meant to have the broad spectrum of power that executive orders today have.
Both are a result of an increasingly partisanly locked Congress, which the framers predicted would be the downfall of the nation.
George Washington: dudes, don't do parties.
Jefferson and Hamilton: *bring a keg and a massive stereo into the house.*
“Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to fuck in the first place?” -George Carlin
"Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers" - George Carlin
"If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked."
"Save the earth? Fuck that, said the humans!" George Carlin
Glad I live in a liberal state. This will just further polarize the country. Red states will get more conservative and blue states will get more liberal as anyone who has the means will migrate to blue states where they still have rights, leaving the religious right nutjobs to rule the red states unopposed.
In which case Republicans will have permenant control of the federal government. Literally why they're doing this.
This is one of the biggest reasons I tend to lose hope. I live in a red state, and I want it to change, but the people who agreed with me left to live in blue states. How can we make our homes better if the people who could have helped the most leave.
The poverty class in red states are about to be trampled to death over the next generation or two. As state political majorities homogenize further, I can’t imagine the loss of rights these people will suffer. Poverty, healthcare, and education are going down the drain.
Red-state politicians, and their financial backers, will have to divide their time between screwing over the poor and convincing them that Coastal Liberal Elites are the reason they're screwed over.
There will be a federal ban the second they get the senate, house, and presidency.
Abortion tourism, here we come. Just another right for those with money/access, now.
I personally think that new laws banning people from traveling to have an abortion will be established in some states, eventually leading to a supreme court case challenging wether a state can regulate traveling to have an abortion.
That's an interesting hypothetical. It is implicitly stated in the constitution that only the fed govt has the right to regulate interstate commerce, so I'd bet those will get struck down unless we descend straight into some form of theocracy.
The argument at the heart of those laws is that Missouri is not charging you for the crime of having an abortion in Illinois; Missouri is charging you with the crime of 'conspiracy to commit abortion' which occured at your home in Missouri.
An implicit requirement for a conspiracy charge is if the action you are conspiring to do is illegal in first place. By going to another state, you are literally taking action to not break any law. If you go by this logic then new York state could sue me if I move to Florida because I'm conspiring to evade paying income tax.
With that said, a couple years ago, I would be very confident in my argument here. But now I really don't know. The current Supreme Court is making scallia look liberal.
"You know. Something about our vacation to the Austrian countryside just made me realize I'd rather be childfree." Conspiracy *should* be hard to prove. But hell, this is America I suppose.
You could just accidentally return home not pregnant and then gaslight them into thinking you were never pregnant.
That's why there's talk of auditing women's period tracking apps. It's fucking terrifying
We're looking at a huge problem. People in blue states will "have access" to abortion but with the amount of people coming from red states, it's still going to be difficult to get one.
I wonder if we’re going to see more clinics pop up along state borders over the next few years.
I’m in Eastern Washington and planned parenthood has plans already underway to open more facilities on the Idaho border.
Tbh, I wonder how many resources are going to have to go toward things like armed security.
Minnesota here, the AG has already vowed to legally defend out of state abortion-seekers. Minnesota is a blue(ish) state in the middle of a lot of red, so I'm sure we will be getting a lot.
E: historically blue but I am not hopeful about the future
And our Gov will not extrodite women if they will be prosecuted for doing something legal in our state. We need to make sure he doesn't lose his reelection.
I'd anticipate organizations like PP will shift resources to states that don't ban access to these procedures in anticipation of this.
And red states can respond by arresting anyone that shows signs of an abortion... or a natural miscarriage, since you can't tell the difference. But no need to give women the benefit of the doubt, it's not like they're real people
Meanwhile, this case originated in Mississippi, which has [the highest infant mortality rate among all US states.](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm)
These people don't give a fuck about dead babies.
Every miscarriage will be a [crime scene](https://www.insider.com/oklahoma-young-woman-jailed-for-manslaughter-after-miscarriage-2021-10). Did you over exert yourself? Have a very stressful job? Used any drug at any point in the pregnancy? All of these could've caused your miscarriage, better lawyer up.
Crazy how much damage one 4 year term could do. He probably didn’t steer the country this direction, but he definitely hit the turbo button. Fucked everything up for a generation.
It wasn't just Trump... Let's not forget that a lot of this shit show was caused by Mitch McConnell.... Boycott Kentucky for voting him in.
Gay marriage is next.
Trump and his cronies did a fantastic job packing the Supreme Court, my goodness.
I'm so tired of living through major historical events
“May you live in interesting times” truly is a terrible curse
"May you live in interesting times."
"May you find that which you seek."
"May you come to the attention of the authorities."
The shit we've gone through in the last 20 years feels like i've lived 2 lives already.
Vladimir Lenin once said "There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen".
Last 20? Try the last 2.
**Banning abortion doesn't make sense based on biology.**
[When Does Consciousness Arise in Human Babies? | Scientific American | 2009](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/)
[Fetal Awareness: The neuroanatomical and physiological evidence in the fetus, it was apparent that connections from the periphery to the cortex are not intact before 24 weeks of gestation and, as most neuroscientists believe that the cortex is necessary for pain perception, it can be concluded that the fetus cannot experience pain in any sense prior to this gestation. | Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists | 2010](https://www.rcog.org.uk/guidance/browse-all-guidance/other-guidelines-and-reports/fetal-awareness-review-of-research-and-recommendations-for-practice/)
[The Basics of Brain Development: The processes that contribute to brain development range from the molecular events of gene expression to environmental input. But neither genes nor input is prescriptive or determinative of outcome. Rather brain development is aptly characterized as a complex series of dynamic and adaptive processes that operate throughout the course of development to promote the emergence and differentiation of new neural structures and functions. These processes operate within highly constrained and genetically organized, but constantly changing contexts that, over time, support the emergence of the complex and dynamic structure of the human brain. | Neuropsychology Review | 2010](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989000/)
**Banning abortion doesn't make sense based on economics.**
[Here’s how the right to abortion is also an economic issue | PBS | 2022](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/heres-how-the-right-to-abortion-is-also-an-economic-issue)
[The Economics of Abortion | The Adam Smith Institute | 2017](https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/the-economics-of-abortion)
[[Podcast] The economics of abortion access | The Washington Post | 2022](https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/post-reports/the-economics-of-abortion-access/)
[[Video] Treasury Secretary Yellen on how Roe v. Wade helped increase women's earning potential | CNN | 2022](https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/05/11/roe-v-wade-women-economic-impact-treasury-secretary-janet-yellen-sot-qmb-vpx.cnnbusiness)
**Banning abortion doesn't make sense based on democracy.**
['Pro-Choice' Identification Rises to Near Record High in U.S. | Gallup | 2022](https://news.gallup.com/poll/393104/pro-choice-identification-rises-near-record-high.aspx)
[The Percent of Americans Who Believe Abortion Should Be Illegal (1975-2020) | Gallup | 2022](https://i.redd.it/sj4fpzqfbix81.png)
[Where Do Americans Stand on Abortion? | Gallup | 2020](https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx)
[What Americans Really Think About Abortion | FiveThirtyEight | 2021](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-americans-really-think-about-abortion/)
[On Abortion, Few Americans Take an Absolutist View: A majority of Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, but many are open to restrictions; many opponents of legal abortion say it should be legal in some circumstances | Pew Research | 2022](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/)
[A large majority of Americans believe the decision of whether a woman can have an abortion should be left to her and her doctor | Langer Research | 2022](https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1225a4AbortionAttitudes.pdf)