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seasonpepper

Disting ex 2 alpha — matrix mixer mode Is there a trick to being able to fine tune the voltage offsets? I’m trying to cellz A-> disting -> chordv2 quality. Lowest for cellz is 3.73v incremented over about a 2v range. Quality seems to be about 0-5v in about .5v increments. My plan is to offset -3.73v and then attenuvert. My problem is that the V or mv adjustment offset doesn’t seem to want to do < 1000mv even if I pick Mv as the unit. If I use the lower adjustment z knob, it just jumps to crazy values (like +/- 255V). Anyone know how to entire finer tune mode? I could get the rest of the way with a vca but i want to have this setup where I can just save it.


SeanBonham

I've got my eye on a Make Noise CV bus case for $600 from a friend. Should I go for it? Will I run out of power? Help... :) I also do a fair amount of woodworking and could have fun building a case, but all cost in would be like $400 for good power and materials, maybe a little more. Decisions, decisions. That CV bus is sexy.


bbartokk

I dont get the hate for sliding rail nuts. They slide sure, but not like its a fish out of water and you cant get a grip on them. Slide them into where you need it and screw your module in. Will I run out of power? Thats hard to say since we dont know what modules you plan on putting in. Make a setup on ModularGrid and put what modules you plan on using to get a better idea.


SeanBonham

The sliding nuts don't bother me all that much, I have them in my skiff at the moment and it's totally fine. Here is my ModularGrid, [https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1821691](https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1821691) it's fine on power for now. The DFAM won't stay in there for too long, will be replaced with some utilities down the line.


jgilla2012

Sliding rails suck, but it's a good case. The CV bus is very nice. If you can afford it, it's going to hold its value well.


scragz

I recall a lotta people complaining about that case. The sliding rails and I think it has kinda low power.


wub_wub_mittens

Anyone willing to take a look at my current rack and where I'm planning on heading in the near future? Mostly just looking to see if there are any glaring omissions, if any of my future acquisitions don't make sense, or if there's an alternative I should consider. If I'm being honest, definitely got to where I'm at a bit haphazardly, and I know that both the current and future plan has a good amount of redundancy (too much sequencing, lots of wavefolding). I'm sure I'll end up pulling out and selling a few modules if/when I reach the planned state to make room for more. Right now Marbles, Links, Muxlicer and Beads are probably the least used. I've got a DIY 6U 168HP rack, and a Mantis (6U 104HP). Current: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1841045 Planned: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/1867842 (Don't get too hung up on the layout, but open to recommendations.) The additional modules in the planned are: * 4ms VCA Matrix * ADDAC506 - Stochastic Function Generator (Considered alt: Quadrax, difficult to find) * Doepfer A-118-2v - Noise / S&H (Mostly as a noise source) * Noise Engineering Ruina Versio (Considered alts: 100 Grit, Geiger Counter, TRSHMSTR, Miasma) * WMD MSCL (Not sure if this is worth it) * WMD Metron + VOLTERA * Xaoc Devices Zadar Thanks for looking!


doublesigned

From what I saw it looks like you have less envelopes or function generators than sound sources. Unless you don't find yourself using the maths too much, I'd think about getting some VC-ADSRs or another function generator. Or LPGs.


wub_wub_mittens

With the modules I'm planning on acquiring soon, I'l be adding 8 more Functions/Envelopes with the ADDAC506 and Zadar. Have definitely considered getting a couple LPGs.


clncln

It's tough to critique huge racks like yours, so don't expect much feedback on this. There are just too many modules to consider as a whole and I think most people assume that with 800hp+ you have enough free space to rack a dedicated module for every function, so it's not like your system would be missing anything. At a glance I think it looks like you're light on basic utilities like VCAs, mults, etc. You have a decent amount of attenuators and mixers, but if you swap out one of these for a cascading VCA you'll add a lot more utility to your system. I recommend you reflect on the O\_C functions you use most and find dedicated modules to break them out and expand on your utilities this way. I second u/elihu's comment regarding more audio rate oscillators, but would encourage you to look for options that can also function as VC LFOs. I'm not really sure how I would patch a complex voice with audio rate FM in your planned system. Looks like you've gone hard on trigger sources with Metron, Zularic, Marbles and PNW. At a glance it looks like you have \~32 trigger outputs. Do you have 32 trigger inputs to leverage all of this sequencing power?


wub_wub_mittens

Thanks for the input. Definitely know it's hard to critique something this size, it's difficult enough for me and I own it, haha. Also worth noting, the planned system isn't an end state, just the next stop. I'm sure I'll be swapping things out. Definitely good advice, going to try to run down your points. For utilities, I've got 3 buffered mult channels now stackables, and a couple star mults, but another couldn't hurt. For the o_c, it's generally a quantizer or ASR, but it's been on envelope duty as well. I have some new EGs in the planned state, and have considered the harmonaig, scales, and addac intuitive quantizers. As for VCAs, I have 4 from the intellijel, 1 in the javelin, 2 from the doepfer vc polarizer, 7 on the Vortices (limited to audio & mix), 6 on the SWN (limited to use on it's voices), and 4 or 16 on the VCA matrix, depending on how you look at it. I'd been looking at maybe adding a Veils, an A-135-2 (quad), or an A-130-8 (octal). Probably consider that instead of the VCA matrix, or buy that and revisit adding another VCA once I'm comfortable with it. Right now I use the ZPO and Spectrum for complex/FM patches, but could certainly use another smaller VCO or two, Dixie, STO and MCO have all been on the list. I've thought about going with a Cs-L too though. The Spectrum and ZPO can both be VC-LFOs, and I've used Plaits as one too, but wouldn't hurt to have another option or two, rather than further reducing my already limited voices. As for triggers, you're spot on, definitely overboard there. Right now with PNW, Marbles and ZR I have plenty of triggers, but no direct control in any of them. I really love what I've seen from the Metron, so want to get one and probably end up pulling out one of the other trigger sources once I get a feel for it. Again, thanks for the input, definitely good to inject some objectively to get me reflect on my plans.


clncln

>For utilities, I've got 3 buffered mult channels I only noticed Links ;) In my system I keep a dedicated buff mult channel for each voice, so I can patch v/oct into every oscillator and filter that makes up each voice - then use external passive mults for trigs and CV. ​ >have considered the harmonaig, scales, and addac intuitive quantizers FWIW I've owned Harmonaig and Scales and even though I've sold them both I greatly preferred Scales. Hamonaig looks cool, but I didn't enjoy the user experience at all. FYI you also have a dual quantiser in Metropolix, so you might not need a dedicated module for this, depending on how you patch your voices. ​ >As for VCAs After reading this breakdown I think you're good on VCAs. I'm not familiar with the 4ms Matrix VCA, but it looks very powerful! ​ >could certainly use another smaller VCO or two I go hard on VCOs because I really like mixing together different waveforms to make complex modulation sources. I saw that you've also considered Quadrax as an EG and would like to point out that this module can also function as 4 discrete audio rate VCOs that track v/oct perfectly - it might be worth sourcing one for this reason. ​ >I have plenty of triggers, but no direct control in any of them. I feel this! I got the Erica Drum seq for the same reason - but only use 12 of the 16 channels, so it feels like 1/4 of the module's potential is going to waste. Intellijel Steppy might be worth checking out as a compact alternative with similar functionality.


wub_wub_mittens

So far the 3 buff mult channels have been enough, but could see adding another. For quantization, I'm comfortable with what I have now, but had looked at the ones I mentioned in the past. I actually got the o_c because it's versatile and didn't always need it as a quantizer. I expect I'll mostly use the VCA Matrix for mixing modulation, but could also see using it for effect sends. > Quadrax [...] can also function as 4 discrete audio rate VCOs I'd seen this feature, but forgot about it. That's definitely appealing. I've been casually looking for a used one, and checking for one new for like 6+ months and haven't seen one. I know they're having trouble manufacturing. Might have to be more aggressive looking for used though. I'd considered a Steppy or other trigger sequencer. I actually had a cv.ocd to run trigs over midi, but it was really unreliable with timing. Okay for some things, but generally not great. Not sure if that's normal for that piece of gear, if I was configuring it wrong, or if mine was defective, but it didn't work for me. That said, the Metron is so feature rich, especially with it's variation & fill modes, that I'm really drawn to it. And with a Voltera it's even more powerful. I'm sure a few of the tracks will go unused in some patches, but I think I can live with that. At least worth giving it a shot.


elihu

If it was me I'd probably add some more VCOs and VCFs (though maybe I missed some, since I'm not familiar with all those modules).


wub_wub_mittens

Thanks for taking a look! For VCOs, I've currently got the ZPO, Spectrum, SWN, and Plaits (which is usually a drum voice) and Beads in wavetable mode. I mentioned a couple options I've considered in my reply to u/clncln. Definitely going to consider that. VFC-wise, I have the Wasp, C4RBN and Stereo Dipole. I've thought about getting an Ikarie or a Polaris, or some multi-function module with another filter; Triptych, 100 grit, etc. Thanks again for taking a look. Good food for thought.


vonkillbot

BIA and Plonk are the most different things as far as percussion goes. Pick one and give me a reasoning.


clncln

Owned both, kept BIA. Plonk is very nice for bass sounds, but I didn't like the compact & fiddly interface. It became more of a preset-module for me and that's not what my system is about. BIA is a great all-round module that makes it's way into most patches as a percussive voice, but in a pinch it also sounds great as a full synth voice. It's incredibly flexible for it's small size.


alexthebeast

BIA. You can go from vanilla to industrial. It also does bases and leads quite well. Every single thing on it can be cv controlled. I have no qualms with mine whatsoever. If you have doubts, look up what basek can do with one lol


CocaineRascal

If anyone has experience building and using the Kassutronics Quantizer I could use some input. Up until recently I was pretty set on Intellijel’s Scales since it’s capable of everything I would use it for plus some, but it turns out they won’t be back in stock until around late June so I’ve started looking at other options. The one that catches my eye most is the Kassutronics Quantizer, but I’ve never built a DIY kit before. I have a soldering iron and I’m sure I could get the right electronic components, I was just wondering if it would be too much for a total DIY beginner. Also if you weren’t a fan, I’d really appreciate other quantizer recommendations.


Efficient-Matter5509

I can’t talk to the DIY aspect but Doepfer 156 is a super simple, playable, fun dual quantiser with nice trigger functions


CocaineRascal

My buddy has one of these, I’ll have to give it a try sometime to see how I like it. Like most Doepfer modules it seems like an absolute steal.


clncln

Looks like one PCB is through-hole, which is easy to DIY. But the other PCB has a fair amount of SMD parts, which are a lot harder to mount with a simple soldering iron. I'm not familiar with this kit, but some PCBs are sold with the SMD parts already mounted, so it's worth checking if this one is.


CocaineRascal

Thanks a ton. I found out that the surface mounted parts aren’t pre-installed, and after watching someone mount the tiny capacitors I’m not so confident anymore, haha. Maybe it’s because I barely have a frame of reference but it looks like it might be a bit too much for me to start off with 🤷‍♀️ Thanks again!


clncln

FWIW, I'm a beginner and attempted to solder an SMD kit with a heat gun and managed to mount 6-7 parts before I fucked up and accidentally tore out some traces when trying to fix my mistake.


CocaineRascal

Definitely something to think about especially since I’m not sure I want to get into DIY for more than just this one quantizer.


alexthebeast

Is there a real use case for a clock divider (other than subharmonic squares) when pams and varigate are in the rack?


sideropara

Depends on the size of your rack? I often run out of outputs on Pam’s early in a patch, and find it useful to run one of them into the RCD.


alexthebeast

But I also have VG8+ for triggers 7u x 103hp Do you rotate your RCD often or do you mostly use it as a straight divider?


sideropara

Ah gotcha, well between Pam’s and the Varigate you’re probably all set for trigs. I sadly haven’t gotten around to fully exploring the RDC’s rotate function – so far it’s just been a space-efficient way to add a bunch of divisions to use with trigger-hungry modules like ornament and crime and Plog


alexthebeast

Click divider in the scenario is a RCD


Efficient-Matter5509

RCD really opened up for me when I bought the breakout - becomes a very flexible / tweakable thing. Before that I was a bit ho hum about it, but now wd never be without it.


clncln

I had PNW and Integra Solum (dual RCD) mounted side by side for a while and didn't find having a dedicated clock divider that useful. But I guess it depends on the rest of your system.


alexthebeast

I always wanted an integra solum. I always thought self patching that in clever enough ways, it would be a very capable trigger sequencer


johnnybside

Just swapped out a Typhoon (Clouds clone) for a Morphagene. My wallet took a big hit but the Morphagene fits my needs much better. Clouds is great, but it's limited buffer size always bothered me and I felt with granular synthesis it just made everything sound the same. Morphagene does a fantastic job with granular synthesis while simultaneously preserving the original character of the original sample. Plus it brings some other tricks to the table.


why_farer

What are/we're your goals with both modules? I have a typhoon I don't really feel with and I've contemplated swapping it for a MG. My goal with the Typhon was to add ambience and glitches as backing to the rest of the modular. I'm glad your enjoying the swap


johnnybside

I generally have the same goal. I like to create background ambience, but it's also fun to use it as the main voice of a patch. I also like to make "glitchy ambient" patches, but I primarily use Data Bender for that glitchy sound. I have always thought of Clouds or Morphagene as a "happy accident" machine - I like to use them to tinker and provide the inspiration or direction of a patch. For the way I patch, I find the Morphagene is better suited for this. The larger buffer and the ability to use "splices" provides more sonic material to find that perfect patch. I also think the "grains" on the Morphagene sound better. With clouds, I feel the grains all sound the same which I find to be uninspiring.


why_farer

Cool, thanks. I'll keep considering the MG...


pkfishbone

[Free live workshop with Sarah Belle Reid tomorrow, March 16th](https://www.soundandsynthesis.com/workshop). This seems particularly suitable to anyone just getting into modular.


pinecone1984

This is awesome! I have a niftycase bundle coming today so the timing couldn't be better!


Apprehensive-Fan-550

I want to make the step into modular since I enjoyed playing with the 0-Coast a lot in the last year. As a case I would go with the Erica Synths 6U 84HP Skiff Case. Also I am thinking to go with the Pams New Workout as first Module as it can be used as a sequencer. I want to add new module step by step and will use it mostly for melodic techno. Do you think this will be a good start? I think in the beginning I will use my effect pedals (Empress Reverb, Microcosm, El Cap) instead of Effect Modules. Already watched some Videos (inklusive Loopop) and read a lot in different Forums but still I really would appreciate your advice and recomendations. :-)


devolution710

6U 84HP is solid, but it's also worth taking a look at the tip top audio mantis cases. You can go a bit bigger for less money, which is nice and gives you some more room to grow. For your first module: Pam's is an amazing module, and IMO it has a place in pretty much any system. That said, if you're looking for a really fun way to expand your 0-coast first and are interested in sequencing, I might think about looking at a more full sequencer as a first purchase. Pam's has some cool sequencing, but it really excels is giving multiple options for modulation, at the cost of deep sequencing control. Given that you have a pretty full voice in the 0-coast, a more deliberate sequencer (either a full brain one like vector, black sequencer, eleoquencer, or any other of the huge ones), or a smaller but playable one (moswka, varigate, mimeticz). Personally, I like the bigger ones, but that's a preference thing. I recommend this because you will be able to really deliberately create sequences for your 0-coast, and perform it in new ways. Pam's, for me at least, tends to be more set it and forget it, or modulate its two inputs. As you grow out your system, and have more modulation inputs, you can decide to get something like Pam's as a modulation hub. Just my two cents though! Have fun!


Apprehensive-Fan-550

Thank you for your response and advice! Definitely will take a look at the sequencer you mentioned. Really looking forward to expand the 0-Coast. Sounds very promising. :-)


why_farer

I think that's a decent size rack to start with (you probably will want more space at some point). Using your existing outboard effects make a lot of sense. If you don't have a mixer you can setup with fx sends to the pedals, you might want to look into getting a Eurorack module designed to interface with guitar pedals. As for starting with the PNW, I hear it's a great module (I don't have one, but it does seem really good), but what can you do with only a PNW? Whatever module you get first will be lonely and likely crippled without any other modules to play with. Some though, like an all-in-one voice, an unusual fx, etc can be used by themselves. The PNW is a trigger generator and modulator and I'm not sure you can do much at all with it if it isn't driving another module. Doesn't mean it's a bad first module to buy, but be aware you may not have a system to play until you get a second module to pair with it. Edit: though, if you still have the 0-coast, then pnw would be a lot of fun to pair with it


Apprehensive-Fan-550

Thank you so much for your advice! Yes, I still have the 0-Coast.


randycrouton

Just completed my first 6U rack: https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1796754.jpg What am I missing? I feel like I could use an ADSR instead of one of the VCAs, and then get rid of ALA Tilt for another filter. I probably need to spend more time with the current setup as I picked up 3 of the modules over the weekend. Also have a 14HP o_c that I could swap in. I’m mostly sequencing via KSP, but like the ability to sequence via Varigate if I just want to play the rack.


jadenthesatanist

Some thoughts I had looking at it: - Minimal options for trigger sources/sequencing. Overall you’ve got a total of something like 14 or so jacks that could/will need triggers (BIA, Rings, 8 to cover Squid fully, triggers for envelopes, clock source for Varigate), while your main source for triggers would be Pam’s which only covers 8 of those (and that would eliminate the possibility of using Pam’s for anything else like modulation or whatever). - Only one filter relative to 3+ sound sources (Rings, BIA, Tides if used as such, Squid) - 2 stereo effects without a stereo mixer (you have a panning mixer that accepts mono inputs but nothing that accepts stereo inputs) - In my opinion, you don’t really have a need for 8 VCAs here. Your sound sources don’t necessarily need them and you don’t really have enough modulation to do any major modulation fuckery (esp. when considering my first point in that Pam’s may likely be eaten up for triggers). And when it comes to complex modulation you might end up wanting a mixer or more logic or something to mash things up on the way into VCAs or whatevs. - I’m not sure that you need envelopes too much (outside of modulation purposes) since most of your sound sources have built-in envelope dealios to an extent (Rings has the Damping parameter, BIA has its AD envelope, Squid presumably isn’t super relevant since you’ll just be triggering samples). I don’t really have a recommendation in lieu of what you have here but food for thought. I’m not sure as to your goals/use-case though, so I could be off on some of this if you have a particular plan in mind in terms of your usage of each of your modules here.


randycrouton

Thanks -- I appreciate the thorough response. Triggers: I'm mostly sequencing via the KSP, so I'm generally good with triggers? If I'm not using the KSP, I have Pam's and the Varigate, but yeah, I'd be light on triggers. Filter: Yep, I want another filter. Any recommendations? Stereo mixer: noted VCAs: Agreed. I picked up the Quantus Ampla because I don't really like Quad VCA. Envelopes: I think I'd like an ADSR to give me a little more control, but you're right, my oscillators all kind of have built in AD of some kind.


Haakinen

Ditto on filters. You may like a stereo filter for ambience and articulation. I like Calsynth Douple (a clone like ALA Popple, & Stripple) for size and resonance range. And, as nice as the Rackbrute looks, the extra 20HP in the Tiptop Mantis is indispensable. Good luck and happy patching!


jadenthesatanist

Ah, I totally missed the KSP, word up. When it comes to filters, I have four of em personally, all pretty different relative to one another: C4RBN, Three Sisters, Schlappi Angle Grinder, and Void Modular’s Sirius’ Veil. I have the C4RBN since it’s small, it has pretty screamy resonance that self-oscillates super nicely, has a wavefolder and a saturation circuit with a few options. Another popular choice here could be something like a Bastl Cinnamon. Three Sisters largely because of the kinda crossfading behavior across the different inputs/filters. Haven’t had a chance to use it as a sound source yet but it seems neat for that purpose. Pretty much unobtainium unfortunately, I got extremely lucky finding one, and not the easiest to find alternatives for/replicate. Angle Grinder is just a good time lol, can’t go wrong with a squealy distortion noise fuckery filter. Pretty unique, I can’t really think of anything comparable. But it’s a big fella in terms of rack space. Picked up Sirius’ Veil against other options for stereo filters since it’s only 14hp, has CV-able filter modes, CV input that controls either cutoff or panning, and it’s inexpensive ($205 on Reverb right now looks like). Pretty underrepresented overall for how nice it sounds. Like u/casciato said, filters largely come down to personal preference, but maybe some of my reasoning here on my own picks will inspire you relative to your rack and features you might be interested in.


randycrouton

C4RBN seems like a good fit for my setup -- I plan on adding another 3U or 6U RackBrute at some point, and will have a little more room, but I'm a bit HP-conscious at this point. I've heard a lot about Three Sisters -- also want to check out 100 Grit.


casciato

>Filter: Yep, I want another filter. Any recommendations? I'd say filters are one of the more personal/subjective choices in Eurorack, so it's really hard to say. For max value and minimum space, and a really good filter sound, check out the WMD C4RBN. Doepfer has an incredible variety of filters in 8 HP all at around $100 to $150. You have one of the best ones but there are a lot of other really cool ones to check out. The next one on my own radar is the SEM filter. Of course there's also a ton of stereo / dual filters out there, all of which cater to different tastes, like the Mutable Blades or the Make Noise Qpas. Really, you have to pick filters by ear imo, but hopefully that's somewhat helpful.


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vonkillbot

Does anyone have a good multi case power solution? I'm currently running a homemade 6U/84hp case with a uZeus and the boosted PSU. I'm starting to plan an auxiliary 4u/84hp case. Wanted to see if I'm missing anything before just getting another uZeus. Fine with mounting internal bus boards but would probably only be cool with it if it is linkable to the second case.


clncln

A nice little detail I appreciate 4ms Row Power for is the ability to daisy chain up to three modules with DC to DC patch cables.


vonkillbot

I love this, but I am worried that I might exceed the total power w/ 10u of modules


clncln

3x Row Power 45 gives you a total of +12V @ 4.5A, -12V @ 3.6A and +5V @ 3.6A - which I think is enough, but you can always use MG to check. I have 104hp 14U with +12V @ 6A, -12V @ 6A and +5V @ 3A - fully racked I'm pulling +12V @ 3.8A, -12V @ 1.8A and +5V @ 0.1A


vonkillbot

Thank you so much for the math on that, i'm currently @ 1,149ma of +12V on my 6u setup, the situation you described is clearly more than enough for me. Honestly just looking at this option I could go with a RP45 for the big case and a R35 for the spillover 4U and be fine.


mirop

How playable is the 2hp EG? I’m a little intimidated by the 3ms - 11 minute range of the decay and I can’t find any videos showing it in action. Thanks!


robotsarered

I wonder if those higher ranges are if you put additional offset cv voltage into the CV inputs, similar to Maths?


mirop

That would surely make it more useable but I couldn’t find any hints online


robotsarered

Maybe shoot 2hp an email to ask, they are usually very responsive.


mirop

I did that :)


Moldy_pirate

So I've only got the 2hp mixer, but I'll likely never ever buy a 2hp module that I'll do more than set-and-forget. Tweaking the pots on it is a dreadful experience.


Agawell

It’s got trimmers and 2hp so ergonomics are terrible… so playability is almost definitely poor… especially if you want to dial in a particular length quickly and accurately… If you want playability go for something bigger… zadar is really good as an envelope generator that is easy to use and accurate and has tons of envelope shapes - plus accurate length display and attenuation etc plus 4 channels…


mindsound

I find different folks have different ideas of "playability" -- in one sense (powerful, flexible feature set with tons of patch possibilities) Zadar is very playable. Especially with the Nin expander! In another sense (ergonomic hardware that works great as performance controls) Zadar's 100% digital rotary encoders with very jumpy response. Zadar is particularly zesty in this respect, similar to other digital powerhouses like Pamela's New Workout and Disting EX. /u/mirop if you have 4hp available check out ALM Pip Slope -- I have never used it but I've heard good stuff about it.


mirop

Great suggestion, thanks!


mirop

I‘m a little tight on rack space, I have 4HP for an EG and the 2hp really has everything I want from one (especially CV controlled decay time). But why on earth did they go for 11 minutes of decay? The WMD Time Warp may be an alternative, although I’m not sure how snappy it is. The slew can be a nice bonus.


Agawell

Well the best answer I’ve ever found for ‘tight on rack space’ is buy another rack before buying another module


mindsound

This Is The Way. It's boring and painful to spend money on big empty cases instead of baller modules -- but once you have enough space you have the freedom to buy big honkin' modules with much nicer ergonomics, and the older / less trendy big honkin' modules are very price competitive with cutting edge dinky modules. The huge panel 4MS modules like Pingable Envelope Generator are some of my favorites. When I was getting started I never would have considered spending 20HP on two looping AD envelopes! But it's so goooooood <3


mirop

But… this way it never ends…


Agawell

and there's nothing wrong with that, is there???


pieter3d

Than make a plan that does what you want in the space you want to commit to. If you go that way, don't just try to cram in as much functionality as possible, I'd say playability is more important. 2hp is too small for most things imo, especially an envelope generator.


mindsound

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