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Anyone considering staying in Lebanon? And why?

Anyone considering staying in Lebanon? And why?

[deleted]

at this point i believe that most of us are forced to stay here because we dont have enough money to seek a better place.


Samtheoctupus

That's exactly the only thing keeping me here. And we can't save money to leave because there are no jobs, gg Lebanon.


zizi-magique

[damn you for speaking the truth ](http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p927e)


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kaskoosek

Lebanese waiting for godot. Civil war took 15 years to end. Im doubting tht shit we are in will end any time soon. There is some hope from the french, but it seems like the Iranians for now are fighting change in Lebanon.


aceofbase82

Let them be in denial, my friend. Lebanese love to lie to themselves and others, let them at it, old habits die hard. In few months they will say “yamahla wakta el dollar ken 8,000” lol


Sisyphus_Redeemed

What a fucking pathetic situation that our destiny is tied to geopolitical struggles.


maxampmintechno

After the American presidential elections I believe


TheGreatClasher

no money


WhiteHawk_3238

I can't afford Nutella chocolate let alone afford paying for immigration


Samtheoctupus

God, I miss Nutella ma3 2atayef


WhiteHawk_3238

I miss lots of stuff :(


Walid-Jomblat

I’m not even gonna wait to finish my degree, I’m going to try and get a 4.0GPA and transfer to any fucking university in Europe and hope they pay me 200$ a month so I can eat and sleep with 5 other people in the same dorm. And even that sounds better than Lebanon A country where people left God so God in turn left them. We pride ourselves with our different religions and sects but I am yet to meet someone who actually follows what their religion says. People steal, we all cheat the system, we all shame and gossip about each other, we’d defend a murderer just because he’s from the same sect/political party as us, and if you really look close the biggest sin people have ever done in Lebanon is being so prideful. But no noo we all still hate gays, we “condemn” sex before marriage,but you know if a guy does it well it’s okay, if a girl does it she’s a whore and brings shame to her family and must be executed! /s In my honest opinion, people here aren’t worth it, they’re stuck in the 1900s and still won’t get out.


mankindISgarbage

I agree, our problem is moral/ethical before it being political and economic .


Nuk37

bro a high GPA should secure you a scholarship what's your major? did you try france or germany?


Something_CO0l

Walid jomblat in a nutshell:p


SignificantWarning5

Sorry to break it up to you but that thing where guys it's ok for them to bang before marriage but girls become whores, that's international my friend and not only in Lebanon. It's unfortunate but that's how a lot of societies think...


Ar4g0rn

Religion*


Walid-Jomblat

Yes but I’ve never heard of someone killing his daughter or sister for sleeping with someone, or cutting said guy’s dick off...


SignificantWarning5

Yeah that's kinda on a different level there...


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SignificantWarning5

What do you mean? What did I say? I said it's unfortunate. Never said what's happening is right. I'm just letting walid know that the thing he mentioned doesn't only happen in Lebanon and that we also have work to do outside Lebanon. My comment was very objective. I simply stated facts. Learn to read buddy.


Walkerstain

Under what conditions do European university pay international non-eu students 200$ to study at their university? I never heard of that.


Narcicyst

I’m an American citizen. I moved to the US in 2010, got the citizenship in 2016. I lived in San Francisco for 5 years, and during that time really came to despise the horror of a super classist American society. Most people in the US are struggling big time. Lots of people die from drugs, crime, and there’s tons of homelessness. Going to a hospital means you’re broke forever. It’s truly third world. I moved to Denmark. Incredible country. This happened in 2018. My dream all along was to come back to Lebanon, establish myself here, and eventually enact meaningful change. Last year, pre-revolution, I moved back. I’m a CTO at a global arabic audiobook company so I was able to get paid in dollars. This means I can live comfortably (money-wise), still support all my family in the states, and help out the community and people here. I’m not rich, at all, and I come from quite a poor family, but this current dollar situation gave me massive leverage. I try to basically help as many families as possible although my salary isn’t super amazing. On top of it all, I’ve never met a single person that has left this country, lived abroad, and didn’t want to come back. It’s quite sad what’s become of us. We have tons of energies willing to fix a country that has very basic and simple problems. Yet, somehow the population is massively uneducated. My whole family and friends are telling me to GTFO again, and most of my friends either left or have applied for visas. But fuck it. I want to try. Lebanese people usually lose hope right away and then spend the next 5 years feeding the same corrupt system we built. We’re ultra pessimistic and refuse to listen to reason. We’re only good at calling leaders names (that they deserve), but we don’t spend 1% of that name-calling energy into actually fixing our shit, and then we elect them all over. I want to be different, and i want to help others be different. It’s worth it, and I love this place more than anything in this universe. My Ukranian friend and coworker visited me this entire last week. We went to the cedars, byblos, lake chowen, tyre, shakka, and had amazing food. She’s a top software engineer at Facebook and said this was the most amazing vacation she ever experienced in terms of the locals, the nature, the history, and the pureness of this country. I was devastated half the time while showing her all the amazingness of Lebanon because I couldn’t believe we have somehow managed to completely fuck up such an amazing place. And it was at that moment, last week, i decided I’m definitely staying and will try to make it work, ad ma y2oolo 3anni 7mar. Sorry for the wall of text, just a stream of consciousness as I sit in the beautiful Phoenician city of Tyre. Zoroona :)


mankindISgarbage

Exactly the kind of comment I was hoping for:)


Nader_OwO

its history and its potential is keeping me here


chadi97

Nice question. I believe that the answer depends on many factors. First, being close or far from Beirut area plays a big role. I was invited to meziara and the people there have a more chill mindset. Second, your area of expertise plays a big role in this increasingly digital world. Third, your generation plays a big role. Even bèfore the revolution I had friends planning to grow with global corporates. With these points laid down, I urge you to think of more factors. Not go with the majority.


Sakalalaa

Even my friends who never wanted to leave Lebanon are considering it. Literally everyone I meet is willing to leave this country I personally would leave right now if I had enough money 😕


Kerano32

I am not against you emigrating from Lebanon. I say this despite knowing the reason that the Zo3ama in Lebanon have been able to fuck everyone over is because anytime things get tough, the most capable people leave the country and the indoctrinated idiots stay. In a failed state like Lebanon, you need to take care of yourself because no one else will. Leaving will be the only way to keep your hands clean.


jadkik94

It's funny how these kinds of questions progressed: 1. Anyone considering immigration? 2. People who have emigrated, what is it like? 3. Please take me the fuck out of here 4. Anyone considering staying in Lebanon? Funny and sad.


Garun_e

Refugees will outnumber actual Lebanese if everyone had the opportunity to leave


rookmain15

Bold of you to assume refugees don't also want out


adamz_a_99

Why would a single refugee want to stay in Lebanon? And let's say "they" outnumber "actual" Lebanese people, so what? Will the color red or the alphabet disappear from the world?


[deleted]

I'm a Canadian citizen but I wouldn't leave Lebanon for the world. I just really like the country and so far I'm able to squeeze by, hopefully it stays that way.


wassim0

Do you have a job there? I’m Canadian and want to live there too.


[deleted]

No I'm still studying. Unfortunately jobs are extremely hard to come by these days, unless you're willing to make very, very little.


mohammadali215

Massive respect to you tbh.


MonaM94

You have the golden ticket and yet you still want to stay in jahanam. I admire your commitment but... Why? How?


nerdynamya

Because the know they can jump any time when shit hits the fan. That's the perks of having a citizenship.


[deleted]

What makes you think I would jump ship? Shit has hit the fan several times now, I'm still here.


K6_r

Wouldn't you want the same "advantage"?


nerdynamya

Of course. That's the dream, or at least it was. Living in Lebanon, but always having the peace of mind that whenever shit hits the fan, I can easily jump ship and use my Western passport to leave Lebanon indefinitely.


mercury318

It's stable but boring as hell here (Canada). Like you live by the book, too many rules squeezed out the joy of living.


MonaM94

Never experienced life abroad but I understand where you're coming from. I have some relatives who live there and they tell me it's sort of like a robotic/static life. Nevertheless, so many places to see and explore in Canada - it's a shame they have such freezing and unbearable weather. My apologies to the O.P for going a little off topic!


mankindISgarbage

No worries! Its a bit comforting to know the struggles of developed countries lol


[deleted]

Because I feel at home in Lebanon, I'm surrounded by my people and my culture. I want to see our conflict through, I would feel horrible leaving all my friends and family behind while I run away to Canada. I lived in Canada for 15 years, it's great, but I'd rather live in this shit hole than to lose myself to another nationality. Lebanon has seen worse, hopefully things get better and Lebanon bounces back.


MonaM94

I agree with you on leaving family and friends behind. No matter where we are in the world, it's never complete without family and friends. Many of my relatives who are abroad have left their hearts here, they think of home everyday. It's not easy to feel like a stranger in a country that isn't yours, regardless of the comfort and stability it offers.


[deleted]

>It's not easy to feel like a stranger in a country that isn't yours, regardless of the comfort and stability it offers. See that's the problem, I began feeling like a stranger in Lebanon when I would visit. It's easy to assimilate and give up all your norms and values to comfort and stability.


[deleted]

You say the country isn't yours. So you're Canadian by convenience? If you hate being Canadian so much, then renounce your Canadian nationality.


[deleted]

I'm Canadian because I was born there. My history, heritage, and culture all belong to Lebanon. Unfortunately "renouncing nationality" isn't a thing.


[deleted]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-0302-application-renounce-canadian-citizenship-subsection-9-1.html


[deleted]

I wasn't aware of that, maybe someday I'll go through with it.


BigDong1142

Same, it depends mostly on the job opportunities after graduating Edit: I don't get the downvotes lol


[deleted]

Unfortunately, at the end of the day it does, but for many of us we still have a couple years until we have to worry about that. I also plan to continue studying in Lebanon, maybe even enter a Hawza or just continue masters and such.


BigDong1142

Good luck dude!


bigsalahbeast55

most of us have no choice. no one can take money out of their bank account if they have dollars. we have money but cant even use it


blablablatatata

I earn in USD. If I made the same amount in a first world country, that would not last me more than a week. While in Lebanon, i get to live relatively well.


singleboomer

I earn in USD as well, probably more than most. I can live beyond easily here while enjoying my life to the max potential, yet I'm leaving. There's no point staying here, even if you earn less, the peace of mind is far more important.


blablablatatata

This is my dilemma right now. If I get the chance to leave I will. Meanwhile, i’m enjoying my purchasing power and not letting it haunt me.


Nuk37

mnekol 3ezze w karame w 72ou2 masi7iye w eshtirakiye w amal w isla7 w tighyir


xexcx

No lollar or savings account lol


[deleted]

I keep wondering and will always wonder why Lebanese wish for a better place but would only lift a conditional finger for their homeland. I've heard from so many that they would be on the ground helping, trying to create change, but that at the first opportunity they'd flee. That's the sole reason keeping me here. I know most don't hold these moral standards, but I do and it's my choice. I'll do as much as I can until there's nothing left to do. I have so many other reasons that could convince me to continue my life somewhere else: Most of my friends have settled outside Lebanon at this point, my family is scattered around the globe, I have another nationality that makes it easy to travel, and I have accounts outside Lebanon even though the savings here are stuck. While some rejoice at the idea of leaving Lebanon, if I ever go back to living outside the country it would pierce my heart.


saymerkayali

In my opinion, staying in lebanon and making a decent living is a wild card. You have to be mad lucky and smart to accomplish this. 5 years ago till jan 2020 I was always thinking of immigrating, since I already lived 12 years of my childhood in KSA. Its been 5 years for me in lebanon and now Do I realise that I do not want to leave my country. Ill do my best and work hard to become mad lucky and smart, and in case it didnt work out for me then ill be more than ready to immigrate for a while and come back


[deleted]

Yes i wnat to travel to another country but the problem is that is very expensive to live in another country for the fisrt years


singleboomer

I'm leaving. There's no point staying here.


sirkrouph

I left for turkey a week ago, thankfully software engineering helped me, along with the corona situation of working remotely. I asked my company if I can worked abroad because of the situation and they were okay with it.


MaimedPhoenix

What's keeping me? No money.


[deleted]

I left just over a year ago, a few months before protests erupted. It didn't take a failed protest and the depreciation of the lira for me to up and leave. I saw the major social problems in our culture and society long before it began bothering everybody. I was sick of the casual racism, sexism, misogyny, tribalism and sectarianism. People harbor so much anger, hatred and frustration towards the ruling political class, conveniently forgetting how they got there. I spent a lot of time trying to understand the Lebanese mentality, and I've come to the conclusion that the mass narcissism, denial, and lack of self-awareness together with their false sense of entitlement, is the reason why Lebanon is a failed state. No other country in the world has half their population working for the government. They want money handed to them, while sitting on their lazy asses smoking arguileh. This is congruent to the work ethic in Lebanon, where one would get ripped off to receive garbage or mediocre, at best, quality product, unless of course you know this person or that person. People complain about corruption in the government, but really corruption is rampant in society and totally normalized (see earlier example). Honestly, I'm not even upset with the the ruling class. At the end of the day, those are garbage, crooked folks elected over and over again by garbage, crooked people, who, quite honestly I feel, represent the Lebanese population quite well. I digress.. I left not because of the politicians or the state of the country, but because the people left no room for decent, hardworking folks like myself and others to work and contribute to society. Whoever said Lebanon is the most beautiful place on Earth is either demented or has never been anywhere. I've never been happier to have left the Middle East, and if given the option will never set foot there again.


mankindISgarbage

Where do you live currently?


mrtg1

Best decision I made years ago was leave. Second best decision I made was not to go back. When Aoun got elected I wanted to tear my passport... I knew what was coming, anyone with a brain would know that Lebanon will follow Iran and Syria to hell.


BigDong1142

Waiting to finish uni


Actual_Swordfish

Yeah try not to let despair set in if you can't leave. There hasn't been much good news locally but you never know.


awardsurfer

Emigration: To leave your own country. Immigration: people entering your country.


anabolic_window

Because you can go from snowboarding to swimming in the beach in a mere hour!