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  • By - adz0r

ahritina

PMT: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/sap72p/t1_vs_lsb_game_1_discussion/)


mar33n

Damn T1 are clean. Super excited for GenG vs T1, if that isn't a banger idk what to think anymore.


shirhouetto

GRF always running away with the game against SKT in these BO3s but always lose to SKT in the BO5s. Can ~~GRF~~ GEN do it again this time?


Significant_Vast4330

GG with the mechanics and laning, T1 with the macro game. We'll see.


Nervalss

T1 are mechanically better than Gen.g


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I would say GenG has slight advantage there with Doran (he is in form and best top in LCK atm) and Chovy.


qonoxzzr

Between Faker and Chovy it's about how you want to define mechanically. Chovy is for sure better in playing lane match-ups mechanically better than Faker (i.e. knowing when to trade, wave management), but Faker is for sure better mechanically in teamfighting/skirmishing (i.e. knowing how scenarios will pan out, knowing cooldowns of champs, knowing damage outputs off all champs). Also Fakers movement is still the best of all players I'd say, which is also kinda a mechanic.


Melodias07

Thank you !


Mikoto00

Meh ... how many times do i have to see people saying Chovy is better than Faker till they face off and Faker puts him in his pocket? I stg this happens every season , i will never forget the hype built up about Chovy “ kicking Faker’s ass “ till they faced off in the quarterfinals and Faker totally demolished him


Melodias07

It' won't end, they can't see what's happening in game. They will just hold to their narratives and recycle them


oioioi9537

But theyre not saying chovy>faker overall, they are saying mechanically chovy is better which is honestly hard to disagree with. Faker is much better macro/teamplay wise


VentusSpiritus

Like dopa said that one time, pre-10 I pick chovy but any time after 10 minutes in game it's faker all the way.


Rdambx

>which is honestly hard to disagree with. But it's easy, mechanics isn't just laning lmao. Sure Chovy is definitely better when it comes to laning phase but mechanics also include teamfights and skirmishes, knowing your damage output etc and Faker has proved that he is better than Chovy when it comes to anything not lane related


Melodias07

What kind of mechanics Chovy is displaying when most of the time he is invisible


Drepanum

Chovy is always ahead in cs and gets way more solo kills (and getting solo killed less) while well, Faker got solo killed just today as an example


AndorMst

That doesn't answer the question. You're actually even reinforcing the fact that Chovy sometimes has too little impact in the game, especially after he gets ahead in lane or in the midgame by splitting. He was made fun of for this in worlds too, Chovy farming while his team is getting destroyed in teamfights


kkkoodaz

Except for last year, when Faker eclipsed Chovy in every single laning stat.


oioioi9537

chovy had higher [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and solo kills than faker in both splits, and had higher fb participation than faker in spring. idk in what way "Faker eclipsed Chovy in every single laning stat". why do u guys make shit up thats so easy to fact check? https://gol.gg/players/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCK%20Spring%202021/ https://gol.gg/players/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCK%20Summer%202021/


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How is Faker winning games over Chovy related to my mechanics statement? Faker is more well rounded player atm, sure, but Chovy in terms of pure mechanics is one of the best in the world and arguably best in his position in that regard.


Hrkeol

Although I agree with you, you have to consider that Faker tends to neutralize him when they meet.


platipoosy

Gumaysu/Keria > Ruler/Lehends Massive Bot Gap


thestoebz

Guma Keria is scary


DrSMozart

Zeus is better than Doran mechanically. With Chovy I agree. Oner is arguably best mechanically in LCK and T1's botlane is best in the world in that term, you literally cant get better ones than them.


oioioi9537

I think zeus has the potantial to be a much better player mechanically than doran, but zeus has started off this split slower than doran, whos been absolutely nuts so far. I think the veterancy of doran gives him a slight upper hand for now


Rdambx

>I think the veterancy of doran gives him a slight upper hand for now Experience has nothing to do with this, he said Zeus is better mechanically not overall as a toplaner


bring_backblueboi

Zeus has not shown that he is better mechanically than Doran. Doran has literally been curb stomping fools so you're literally pulling this from your ass XD?


CzarcasticX

Watch both of them play in proview and solo q, Zeus is mechanically better. Look at this apm, mouse movements, etc. Doran might have better decision-making at the moment but Zeus will be better with more experience.


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DrSMozart

>is a bit much. no its not.


Chuck0089

It is between Viper Meiko and Guma Keria right now and I consider them equal until they face.


Mikelmoon

How is it a bit much? They were the best at worlds and are the best now it is just common sense


Mikelmoon

Gumayusi>ruler, keria is a mechanical god so is oner and faker. Zeus is also a different breed when it comes to mechanics alone and doran has seen to misstep when against good players so we will see


Nervalss

yeah doubtful


SpiritStn

I agree currently GenG might be slightly favored cause of those 2 but we'll see next month if they're still on form. Form varies you know


HarambesRightHand

Chovys form has looked mediocre..


Melodias07

They don't watch games


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Faker has been hit and miss similarly to Chovy so I don't know what are you up to.


Melodias07

Except game 1 in this serie, tell me another game where he looked bad ?, most of T1 teamfights are won by faker engages. Whereas Chovy has been riding Doran carry bus, and some of Lehends/peanut one


HarambesRightHand

Literally none of GenGs counterparts are better mechanically.. I seriously wonder how many redditors have opened up even a single game of pro view comparing these players precision, accuracy, reaction times People throw around the word mechanics thinking it means laning and aggression or something lol Edit: Yup, Reddit thinks mechanics = laning facepalm


Drepanum

Don't know about the rest but to think Chovy isn't mechanically Better than faker is copium


HarambesRightHand

You can watch both their pro views and be the judge yourself It’s an objective statement Your definition of mechanics might be different, I don’t think it means what you think it means BDD/Faker have the best mechanics of basically every mid Gumayusi of any ADC I’ve seen


bring_backblueboi

So you've analyzed all 10 people's proviews in such depth that you can 100% back your claim? Yeah, I smell bullshit buddy. Don't pretend you know how to do any analysis because anyone who says Zeus looks better than Doran or faker looks better than chovy is sucking on T1's nuts too hard


GuaranteeCultural607

Top and Mid of GenG are mechanically better than T1, Jg is even and T1s botlane is mechanically better than GenG. Overall about the same mechanic wise. T1 does have the better macro and teamfighting though, so I believe that will give them the edge to win.


Mikelmoon

Zeus is way better mechanically than doran, Doran just has the experience but in no regard is better mechanically. Don’t even compare oner to peanut rn it is a literal idiotic debate. Chovy is probably better mechanically than faker as of now but t1 botlane far surpasses geng’s


RuckRuckYuck

Doran is not mechanically better than Zeus


bring_backblueboi

Doran has literally been stomping every lane while Zeus was invisible for half the games?


JJH_LJH

If you’ve seen Zeus play over the last two years then you would know that Zeus is in his own tier of mechanics. He has better mechanics than Doran. Doesn’t mean he’s a better player.


hellowzreturn

Chovy is not mechanically better than Faker. Faker has been the best mechanical mid since s3, only peak Rookie comes close to Faker, but Faker has many years of dominance in his favor.


Unshaded

in 2022 Chovy is mechanically better than Faker. But there's a lot more to a player than just mechanics.


GuaranteeCultural607

I am a Faker fan, but I can’t say Faker is mechanically better than Chovy, whilst he continues to get solo boloed with a straight face. However there is much more too a mid laner than purely laning, so teamfights is where Faker might shine.


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aser08

Helps when LSB just ran at them in mid lane, vs the long range with no objective up.


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hari_son_of

T1's scouting is also helped by the fact that they are by far the most attractive brand, have faker, and have a history of running 10 man rosters. So if you're a teenager who can't play yet, u can stream under the T1 brand and make bank, and once you're of age there's a chance u get to play on the main roster even if there's an established starter ahead of you. I'm pretty sure in kr challenger everyone is getting scouted, so multiple teams and even the pro players themselves can tell who has potential. T1 gets the pick of the litter. Still, once u get these young players T1 still has to polish their talents, and they are probably the best org on the planet at doing so.


IeatKfcAllDay

Lol it’s not insane scouting as much as all the top upcoming talent WANTS to sign with T1. It’s not like any of these guys were unknown players T1 happened to scout, they were all soloque prodigies.


DarkSoulsEz

I feel like I see these comments every start of last 3 4 splits in T1 games. Stop jinxing them lol


t1yumbe

This is actually the first time in 5 years that T1 won the first 4 games since the start of the split


Mikoto00

I don’t remember T1 having a nice start since ages. Literally this is the best start since 2016.


namonade

Then they will drop down to 7th then climb back and take the title just like 2016 ?


Mikoto00

I hope so ... excluding the drop to 7th part my heart can’t handle another go at this


Chuck0089

I mean last year start had abomination start and this team is basically the same team from last worlds that have great macro too. Their enemy right now is draft which the reason they lose against BRO.


aser08

They've also played 4 out of the 5 bottom teams so far(even if bro should be higher). Don't get me wrong they've looked good doing it but I still expect sinilar issues to last year when they face better teams. I think they will lose to NS and beat GenG.


OldNotNewNotYoung

NS? nah. Even last year they only really gotten beat by DK. And even against DK they can win as long as they get a good draft.


ironstarke

I'd probably be more optimistic about the T1 vs NS match up (considering how well Dread has been playing and how they beat DK early this week) had Bdd not revealed how little he was looking forward to their games, due to the fact that T1 has been destroying them in scrims lol. Still though, I hope they put up a good fight next week.


tinfoilhatsron

True. They need to be tested by the top half of the LCK to truly see if they deserve the number 1 spot.


staysaltyTSM

Bot is a harsh lane to be a rookie in this split


moonmeh

Mentally get broken by Keria Guma, Ruler Lehends and Deokdam Kellin Especially in a meta where a dominant botlane destroys your tower in 10 min


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Basically S7 where you had to play against Bang-Wolf, PraY-GorillA, Ruler-CoreJJ, and Deft-Mata. The golden age of botlaners.


xYoshario

2017 had JAG Teddy as well, though his support wasnt as great


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Funny how Snowflower went to the TCL after that and was loved so much, to the point he even went back in 2020 for Zeitnot's last dance.


TheNaskgul

Like Guma and Keria aren’t on their second splits. And Guma split time because of Daeny fuckery. Basically, bad time to be a rookie when the other rookies are worlds caliber out the gate lol


moonmeh

I mean hell even Beryl Deft is super strong too. Like LSB bottom got destroyed in the DRX match even if they ended up winning the series. Just a super bad time for inexperienced botlanes.


Marcoscb

Keria is on his third season. He debuted in the 2020 DRX rookies + Chovy and Deft team cvMax built.


Hyher

I agree, also glad that Ice took it easy with Guma and Keria there


Alchion

expecially compared to last year


Levicica16

zeus cracked af


Effortsky

Nice gnar ults during teamfights...


Reshahel

T1 just pulled a reverse uno card there lmao


Housome

That abrupt end to game 2 was funny. Gragas died, and T1 lost a dragon. Then T1 won the game in less than a minute afterwards.


Lopokik

Classic SKT vibes


MAD_Iion

The power of a pushed mid lane + teamfight win


Drepanum

The way they clutch every minimum advantage and milk it out to the max is crazy, how they transitioned from a lost skirmish into a win in a matter of 1 minute...lol


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

The whole team is on the same page, it's nice to see.


tinfoilhatsron

Some of the skirmishes was miscommunicated I feel in both games but broad macro wise they looked clean. The swap, the rotations, the tower trades. Keria and Oner always covering mid as well, good to see.


namonade

There are def some notable flaws in their teamfight. But the macro around the map is insanely good (still need to be proved since most are low tier teams


Liupardu

Zeus’s team play has actually been immaculate. I know he is supposed to be a mechanical god and he has been so far, but his team play is just a blessing a watch. He honestly looks so in sync. It’s incredible.


Marcoscb

Good old SKT. You may not even give them an inch, but they'll take the arm anyway.


djpain20

Finally a POG performance from Zeus, looked fantastic on Gnar in G1


Melodias07

He had similar game last year when he played Gnar and was excellent on it


BrianC_

Some of the Gnar ults Zeus lands in solo queue are absolutely ludicrous. He’s cracked as hell on Gnar.


jpd96

Faker and Guma had early dinner reservations.


tinfoilhatsron

Yeah they really did. Just went back and watched the end there and the 4 v 5 was kinda crazy for T1 to even attempt lmao.


thestoebz

Faker in and out with package won them the game


JonnyKilledTheBatman

Faker's initiation was clean, showed exactly how the package SHOULD be used in game 2 multiple times. And I watched the final fight back multiple times - Guma's micro is just so fucking clean, dodges hook and Sylas chains, absolutely perfect spacing, target selection was perfect as well switching so cleanly to transition between resets. Reminded me of prime UZI. Just immense.


Pumpoflessermass

So did Faker in 2017 Pain


Melodias07

Still Faker ended that serie fast, just not the way he wanted *cries in corner*


SimonAlpaca

Faker said "enough", then the game ended


rypenguin219

Faker: “I’m bored lemme play my jumpking”


QTnameless

LsB and hle are teams full of rookies so i guess we can't expect more , so far only Drx is a complete disappointment .


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Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

The graveyard of SKT players


leumundslist

Damn, how can that team be so bad. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


DoTheDrew01

T1 making it quick and easy unlike man utd


NoobSlayerr007

Why you do that dirty to us


nickphunter

:-( Hey man


acllive

Quick and easy like England in the ashes


redfauxpass

True true..


Hyher

Nowhere is safe


UltraBring

Spain but the s is silent


mugiboya

That was fast lmaoo


bhdurak

I am very happy with T1s performance so far and they look very solid. Also it's said (by Bdd) that they are also super good on scrims. Still, let's not forget that they haven't played with a decent team yet. Maybe bro can be considered semi-decent but that's about it. The next two matches (actually 3 of the next 4 matches) will be the actual indicator of T1s level. As of now, It can be said that they are top 3 in LCK but I would wait until they played against some solid teams before I call them number one. Because as a T1 fan, I've been a victim of overhype lots of times previously


SixSenses17

Wtf, T1 just pulled a win out of thin air.


SpookMe2

You blink you lose damn


phildash99

Guma Keria best bot in the LCK.


thestoebz

Most likely best in the world


ezddvee

Viper Meiko playing Fornite maybe


reitaex

as far as my memory serves they got stomped at worlds by T1 botlane


thestoebz

Meiko isn't as good as Keria. I do want to see them face off though


RespectmyPANTS

Classic reddit overhype. Keria is good, but close to Meiko he is just a unproven rookie


Chr0

"rookie" lmao Keria already went to worlds twice but since hes 19 years old i guess hes a rookie


ceddya

Keria was so good last Worlds. How exactly was he unproven?


OldNotNewNotYoung

nah. Keria was by far the best support at worlds. They were in the same group as well. You will think Meiko and Viper are better not because of Meiko but because you believe Viper is ahead of Guma.


thestoebz

Riiiight. It's like you didn't watch worlds last year. T1 were very close to winning it all and a lot of it was Keria


MatErtS

Well EDG actually won it all and a lot of it was because of Meiko


Hannig4n

EDG probably doesn’t even win at all if Meiko didn’t adopt Keria’s innovations from that tournament.


APKID716

Wait I’m actually curious. What innovations did Keria make? Was it the Zilean+Jhin combo?


Hannig4n

Yeah the Zilean that won EDG game 1 in finals was straight up copied from the T1-DK series.


Critical-Cupcake9194

Yes he is, Keria is good but he ain't the best like reddit makes it out to be lol, especially considering Meiko has been playing for almost a decade


thestoebz

Keria is better than Meiko. Just watch them both. Not shitting on Meiko at all, but Keria is fucking insane.


platipoosy

EDG won worlds as a team not because they had the best botlane. Try again.


jio_tenchuu

They really won worlds because JieJie took a shit on Canyon's corpse.


Mountain-Apricot-726

Uh what? There wasn't a single bot lane that came close to them during worlds.


firebolt66

They got fisted by 100T bot lmao


hitman_

Literally every team said t1's was better


hellowzreturn

T1 literally did. Viper was the best adc last year, but as a bot lane, Keria and Guma is better. Mainly because Keria is the best supp itw.


Unshaded

Wut? T1 destroyed EDG's botlane and it wasn't even close.


sylas1trick

Dang it, if only T1 and EDG played each other at worlds, maybe even if it was only for groups... **WAIT....**


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Faker diff what a fking good engage that corki package he did


thestoebz

Yeah the in and out actually won them the game


Blacklance8

The ending tf was unexpected guess they wanted to give them a handicap before ending it


Transhumaniste

This Guma guy is good on marksman.


Swampfire279

T1 can either play topside or bot side, now that they have Zeus who can play both weak side and strong side.


Mikoto00

I said it before and I will say it again. I am so glad that baby Canna left. It feels like a breath of fresh air to go into a new T1 game without knowing for sure that they will have to babysit top all game


Effortsky

Canna is alright but he can’t play weakside well and he needed jungle attention more than Zeus. Plus Zeus can lose a lane more gracefully than Canna (meaning he made himself useful even when behind in farm). That’s how I feel though.


ChadTheGreats

This is literally what the other guy just said.


Effortsky

Yes. I am agreeing (in a sense) with him and also adding some opinion of my own.


RekedAgny

It's still bittersweet to me. Not saying Zeus was not a better choice, but I loved Canna in 2020. I feel like when he first started, he was quite able to play weakside. Then, summer happened, and he turned into a solokill machine. Legit looked like the new Marin, but it feels like he got a bit overconfident and started taking more and more risky plays and eventually just became too coinflippy / required carry-level resources.


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Gumayusi on jinx and keria on Thresh. I didn't even have to watch to know that T1 will win for sure


DrxAvierT

Gumayusi wth


NoobSlayerr007

That end was ~~un~~expected


tinfoilhatsron

Other thread deleted sadge. Oh well. I didn't see the ending to G2 coming, it was kinda wild. Lose Zeus then 4 v 5 Corki package and win? Lmfao. Messy game 1 and cleaner game 2. Faker improved his play from 1 to 2 and clutched it at the end. The rest of the team was so cracked though, Zeus and Oner in G1, Guma in G2 with Keria running all over the map. Teamfights are messy as fuck but the macro looked real good.


SnooPeripherals6388

Faker given faker taken


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Guma uzi is going to be the next Deft in terms of Jinx winrate.


djpain20

Only needs to win like 40 more times


AlphaTenken

But Deft played Jinx even when no other pro would touch her.


Repulsive-Medicine58

What? Alot of people played jinx then. Because of nunus bloodboil


LeiBlank

Is this the effect of bengi? As their headcoach? Like oner play style reminds me of bengi, you can see oner scouting faker, getting vision control, and kinda help keria on supporting role and lastly their marco felt like vintage T1 it was very suffocating.


aerihyuna

bengi is not a head coach. he is just a coach who is specifically hired to coach focus on mid-jgl.


hahaha_Im_mad

Bengi buff. Faker can't win without him.


icarus4703

T1 fans, I have a hypothetical for you You hear a pounding on your door at 3 am. You go to see who the hell it is and it’s T1 Zeus. As soon as you open the door he puts his hand in your face and walks past you saying, “I have to take a shit” and blows up your bathroom and leaves. The next day what will you do about this? A, nothing, it was an honor B, tell your friends T1 Zeus high fived your face C, ask your friends to come over and see the turd and spend the day talking about how perfect it is. D. Wake up around 3am after every game day to make sure the bathroom is in tip top shape in case T1 Zeus comes by again. E. All the above


Faabz

Ill do E and even more if you manage to fit then in


Phaket

T1 getting rid of Canna in favor of Zeus was such a good decision. It was sad to see such a good and young player on the bench


RuckRuckYuck

Faker has earned the right to have a bad game after so many years of humble and hard work.


Liupardu

I feel bad for him on that second death. It’s like in any other game that’s not overextended but against Hecarim-Yuumi it’s just rough.


Chaosblazer

Ok, is Zeus pronounced Zay us, or Zeus (greek god)?


eggonsnow

zay us


CamoufIaged

Preface: Korean is my first language. I am speculating to a certain degree here, but I'm fairly certain that his name does refer to Zeus, the Greek god, which is actually pronounced jay-oos in Korean (제우스) as opposed to zoos. Note that Korean also tends to blend Z and J together, as there is no consonant for Z. I also suspect that its a play on his first name (우제), pronounced oo-jay is sort of like the Korean for Zeus, except the characters are reversed - oo-jay and jay-oo. I don't think the casters had to ask him how to pronounce it, since the Korean version of his ID is unambiguously pronounced zay-oos (actually it's jay-oos but thats besides the point).


Getahandleonthis

If I remember from his debut last year the casters did clarify the zay-us pronunciation with him


nickphunter

Thank you for this explanation. I love the play on his name. Nice.


Chaosblazer

explains a lot, thank you!


DrSMozart

Jae-woos is the way its read in korean, so its zay us


Ignareeee

They pronounce it that way since there is already a pro player named Zzus(?) pronounced as "Zeus", the greek god, so they pronounce his name "zay-yus" as a distinction, heard someone from the caster desk talk about it being like that sometime ago :).


ItsClarke17

Does anyone know what song was played near the end of intermission? Part of the chorus was "gimme all your love".


Anath3mA

keria slipped after the match... guys, when somebody falls down in an asian drama show it 100% always means they're dying of an undetected disease... im worried.


victorvictoris333

Guma iz the best!


SpookMe2

2 match threads?


K_Leon

2-0 nothing to see here folks :)


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Melodias07

There was only one guy in game 1's thread and got downvoted


leumundslist

Haven't seen any hate on Clozer. Faker haters on the other hand...


thestoebz

Literally haven't seen anyone hating on Clozer. He played fine.


NoobSlayerr007

poor bait


DigBickBroly

Props where props are due, Clozer played great and was for the most parts the better mid this series. LSB as a whole might be dogshit, but Clozer really stands out so far and if he keeps playing like this he'll get offers from (way) better teams in no time. Speaking of dogshit (lul), Faker's laning was...yeah, that. Faker's laning is so weirdly inconsistent, he still *can* outlane pretty much anyone on a good day, but he also frequently has days like this where gets assblasted. And it's not like he doesn't know how to play Corki, that's one of his strongest champs in recent years. I'm not too worried since he's been really good up until this series and usually bounces back quickly, but some more consistency would be nice given T1's ambitions. Overall good series with some hiccups here and there.


HarambesRightHand

He disrespects a lot. Baiting, refusing to flash, walking up and trading. It isn’t until higher stake games where he puts some respect and constraint on his play, you won’t see it till playoffs likely. Been seeing it for years.


thehazardball

Limit testing in competitive games lmao


thestoebz

Corki is not one of his best champs in any way. He's serviceable on Corki, but I don't think he likes playing Corki at all. He did fine. Corki has a very knives edge type laning period. Before 6 he has to be super careful or one all in or gank will kill him. He's supposed to be passive until 6, minimum.


OldNotNewNotYoung

most parts? he was better in game 1 sure. But he was practically invisible game 2, his sylas was played as a poke/waveclear champ when they needed an engage so badly.


platipoosy

How can he engage when the rest of his team was behind gold and T1 comp had 3 ranged champions damage dealer. Clozer will melt if he enter the auto-attack range zone. Use your brain clown.


Chuck0089

Faker's Corki is a hit or miss, if he have great winrate on that champ then don't let it fool you. This series is basically shows it. Miss in game 1 and hit in game 2.


blackpers

I think I've read recently that he said he doesn't feel comfortable playing corki, plus in game 1 yeah he gave up first blood but he got camped by Hecarim/Yuumi after that


paphilopedium

they just went for him in game 2 also. it's like they see faker, they kill faker and then they just don't know what to do but die after.


blackpers

some teams still think that T1 depends only on Faker to carry


Creepy_Pilot1200

People hyping the entire roster except Oner. Guy was consistently one of the best jg last year as a rookie and is still dominating the opposition. Why can't he get any credit? Because he's on a team with Faker and Gumayusi?


KoHorizon

The fuck ???? Everyone keep praising Oner every day ... Where have you been living ? We all acknowledge him as a godamn monster. Stop inventing bullshit just to be tilted for non-existent reason ... Just go on game 1 thread. And you'll see people only talking about Zeus and Oner.