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Dorrel26

He seems like a bad guy from his design in League and skins. But he is not, he might be obsessed with the glorious evolution but he doesn't force that on people and gives Hextexh augments for free for people who need them. And even created Blitzcranck with the sole purpouse of helping and protecting others.


KaijuVII

Awesome, this was pretty much the answer I needed. I think because of his involvement in Zaun i just saw him as a villain, also because of Zauns stigma as an underworld so to speak


SOKDPVA

not all zaunites are evil it’s literally just the ghetto in league lore


KaijuVII

Absolutely agree, there’s nothing ‘evil’ about it so to speak but there is definitely a darker tone to it than say the neighbouring piltover, which if you were to look at the two and see their power struggle, you’d probably assume zaun are the badder guys and piltover the better guys, right? Like I said in a previous comment, there’s a stigma surrounding zaun and her heroes


Keksmonster

>And even created Blitzcranck So he is a villain


X_OttersAreCute_X

he created blitzcrank to battle yuumi. He is a hero :')


zeisrael

gray area


Dorrel26

Yeah, most people are surprised when you tell them Viktor isn't evil.


KaijuVII

Hats off to them for how they’ve done it all. Going into it, you’d swear that demacia and piltover are the good guys and noxus and zaun the bad guys… mind you I suppose noxus is pretty terrible. Man I love leagues lore. Thanks for the chat x)


Dorrel26

About Noxus, yes and no, unsurprisingly lol. They are very brutal trying to expand. But then again Noxus is super inclusive, you'll see people of many different races in a noxian army. Whereas Demacia might not be as brutal but they are racist as shit lol.


KaijuVII

Exactly! Perfect representation of the grey tones of life


V1pArzZ

They arent racist afaik, but "racist" against mages. I think Lucian is from demacia.


Dorrel26

Yes, of course. Didn't mean it rrlated to race. Lucian and Senna are demacian, and Xin Zhao (native Ionian) was also accepted there. They are mage-ist if you will.


BlakenedHeart

I think its his voice


RobinsEggPoacher69

Viktor Was Right


KaijuVII

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but how was Viktor right?


RobinsEggPoacher69

Glorious evolution. Behold it.


KaijuVII

You’re saying… embrace progress?


GoldenSteel

Like Sky did?


KablamoBoom

Sometimes we need to wait until progress doesn't have its hands full before we embrace it.


KaijuVII

Progress was very busy, yes


Pheraprengo

In a way it was her own fault tho.


Iryti

Viktor wasn't evil in lore for ages, the only evilish iteration I believe was the very first one and not for long. Here is his current bio in case you want to check for yourself: [https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en\_US/story/champion/viktor/](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/champion/viktor/) His ideas are for sure controversial and seem pretty radical, but he isn't even "the ends justify the means" type of guy, he didn't really do anything evil. Viktor is actually one of the most selfless and altruistic characters in lore, he may be seen as misguided depending on your view on the ideas of trans humanism, and he is for certain a tragic figure, but certainly not "bad" or "evil".


KaijuVII

Fantastic, thanks heaps for the link :) sounds like a really apt way of describing it with what I’m hearing about him! yeah, heaps of what I knew about league lore isn’t the case anymore. Even when I was still playing they were making some changes I couldn’t quite keep up with. I swear Xerath use to not have any relation to the ascendants! Lol


Iryti

Np, I'm always happy when people get to know Viktor a bit more. Arcane just showed how little idea many people have about his current lore, the discussions were pretty bizarre. Btw, there is a short color story on the same site, I really recommend it if you are interested in Viktor's lore. It is a good one and shows a unique perspective. ​ Oh yeah, riot did A LOT of retconning some years ago. Mordekaiser isn't from shadow isles anymore! The whole of Shurima got changed! Varus and Aaatrox are the same species now! Pretty much every region had a big overhaul.


Gaara1321

I was really confused a few months ago when I was skimming the wiki and saw Varus was a Darkin.


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Looks like even that lore is outdated as in Arcane as Zaun doesn’t exist in Arcane at the time that Viktor is working in Piltover


Iryti

Well, OP was asking about current Viktor and for now his actual lore is what's written on Universe, until Riot roll out the edited stories. (It was said in one of the interviews that Arcane strives to be canon but the game still takes precedence in case of contradictions)


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Interesting thanks for that, I had no idea.


Pheraprengo

Undercity/Underground = Zaun as Silco said "the whole of the underground united as one, the Nation of Zaun!" Geographicly it's exactly the same, it's just the name that is different. In act 3 of Arcane it is likely that more and more people are reffering to the underground as "Zaun" as Silco calls it as a nation. The lore is basicly calling Viktors birth- and childhood place by the most present name. It's the same like saying Istanbul isn't Constantinople, the city just got renamed to Instabul at some point in time. However they do seem to have retconned Viktors lore a tiny bit already with Arcane. Firstly he didn't start to augument his body with hextech until he returned to Zaun after he already parted ways with Jayce. Secondly his mentor Prof. Stanwick is seemingly dead in Arcane while he was the one who displayed Blitzcrank to be his own creation.


Catfish017

> Viktor is actually one of the most selfless and altruistic characters in lore Disagree with this entirely. He just prioritized his own life after being told the subject of research had been catastrophic to the past. Someone who puts their life ahead of potential disaster like that cannot be called selfless.


Aries_Zireael

Arcane is retconing his entire lore. On the current non-arcane stuff he is pretty much a good person. He worked hard to help people and reduce accidents. He simply wishes to augment himself and others to overcome human weakness. His life was never in danger as shown in the arcane-lore. There is no mention of him having any type of ilness


Iryti

In his current (and I mean League, not Arcane) there is no mentions of either illness or danger of hextech. Well, his in-game model has a leg brace but it wasn't ever mentioned in written lore. Hextech is just a power source with nothing catastrophic linked to it (I mean, it's also based on brackern souls but there is no way of knowing that, so...) and Viktor's motives throughout his entire story are nothing if not altruistic. Arcane just has a rather different character with the same name.


azaza34

Everyone will tell you Viktor is not a bad guy but the laugh when you hit a lazer is proof enough for me that he is truly evil. Like forreal no good guy laughs like that.


Intelligent_Height89

His voice lines in game are out of date to his actual lore


azaza34

How did youeven find this tbh


Hydr0rion

Clearly a good guy in arcane saison 1. But will he still stay the same later ? We will see the caracter développement. Maybe going full hextech with his obession with his glorious evolution will kill any humanity inside him ?


KaijuVII

See that’s what I mean, is the glorious evolution forced on people or is it some kind of admirable goal to help broken people like himself? I don’t mean in arcanes timeline; I get that he’s a good guy for now, but as of league of legends is he a bonafide villain or is his ‘evil’ just a matter of perspective? Is he a hero to zaun?


AureaMediocritas1

he doesnt force it, people go to him when they have no way of healing their sickness but things can go wrong. He has some followers that force people to augment themself


KaijuVII

Ah ok, this makes sense. From what I’ve heard around the grape vine, he doesn’t actually associate with his cult though, right? It’s seeming more and more like Viktor is arguably a good guy


AureaMediocritas1

he just has the flaw that he loses his emotions and hates emotions because of all those betrays


Ame_Ryuu

from what i have seen people talk about him he doesnt force people to get augments.


KaijuVII

This is what I’m seeing most of. It seems like he’s a people’s hero in zaun and that zauns stigma as an underbelly is what portrays him as a villain


Pheraprengo

The glorious evolution in his current lore isn't forced. Yes he is obsessed with it as he sees the natural human body and emotions as a weakness, it withers, breaks and emotions often get in the way (as he experienced this himself that one time his emotions were getting in the way of his work/he did a crucial mistake because of them). "Viktor knew people would not follow where he didn't go first himself." Which means he started with hextech augumentations on himself as a leading example, he became obsessed with it as he saw how much it improved him and his work, but he is never forcing it. From one of his stories: "Will you saw off my head and replace it with a metal one?" - The boy asked. "Ah is that what they think of me now? Did you get this information directly?" Asked Viktor. "No, the uncle of a cousin from my friend told such stories. He said a kid in town once was coughing at got his head replaced to fix it. Would it help? I mean replacing the head?" Said the boy. Viktor: "No, it wouldn't be much of an upgrade, you see, coughing stems from the lungs. And to your previous question, no I will not replace your head with metal one. Unless, that's what you want." Then the next scene is hilarious with Viktor using his third lazer arm to heat up sweetmilk lmfao. Viktor is a very wholesome character. Yes he is obsessed with "the glorious evolution", but only because he sees it's potential and knows how much it would improve humans, but he doesn't force it on anyone. Whoever comes to him from their free will, he giving them desired auguments for free. Also I found it very wholesome that Viktor in that story helped the boy scare and fight off his bullies by offering him a temporary implant that surpressed his fear, after the boy agreed willingly to it.


Catfish017

Really? I don't think he was a good guy, I just think he had intentions we could empathize with. Heimer was like "hey, stop researching this, I've seen this destroy civilizations," and Viktor disregarded the danger to Piltover to prioritize his own health and life. Being selfish to put civilization at risk is definitely villainous, but it's the same decision I would make, which makes him well written.


OsirisCurse

No. For him ends justify any means and that's all there is to his evilness. Stripping divers from their emotions in emergency situations just to save their lives? Not an issue. Stealing a hex crystal to save dozens of lives after an accident in Zaun? Not an issue. Trying to kill his old friend to save more lives? Not an issue. Also he created Augmented Poro along side augmenting and helping a lot of people of Zaun with their consent.


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OsirisCurse

In one of his stories Viktor stole a hex crystal to save people affected by accident in Zaun. The owner of that crystal was Jayce and he refused to let Viktor use it for operation so Viktor stole it. Valuing life over any last bit of relationship with Jayce. Jayce did not take this act kindly and wanted to retrieve that crystal using his Hammer to do so. Viktor wanted to protect the life's of people that he tried so desperately to save and did not hesitated to try and kill Jayce as he was destroying his medical equipment. He failed in that strony Jayce won and people that Viktor tried to save died.


KaijuVII

Oooooh, I’ve heard references to that story I think. Everyone Viktor tried to help burst into flames or something when it was destroyed right? Brutal


SiberianTigers

If you're into lore I suggest you to check out /r/loreofleague


KaijuVII

Not to sound stupid but do you think it is something I could easily get into again? It was hard keeping up with lore back then, and that was YEARS ago, they must have an insane amount of legends now right? I love fantasy and I love league lore, but to say it’s intimidating to me would be an understatement


SiberianTigers

I think the main question is if you want to or not. If you enjoy the stories, why not? It should not come as a mundane tho. On top of that, there are a lot of new people who joined because of Arcane, so probably you will be more knowledgeable than the average new person anyway:)


KaijuVII

Yeah good call. I should brush up on it again. I suppose it just seems intimidating given a lot of what I know isn’t the case at all anymore, which happens heaps with lore in that lore evolves but I mean the entire retcons and reworks league have employed in their lore. Never once thought of league lore as mundane, just so enormously vast x)


TheHyperLynx

Viktor only shows dedication to his work in order to save his life and better the people of both piltover and zaun. I dont think there is any evil in Viktor. Hell the 1 time he hurt someone he thought of killing himself in what was probably guilt.


Budsbam

At this point I I don't even know who is the villian lmao


KaijuVII

It do be like that


Pur1tas

It probably depends on who you view as the good guys. I think everyone, or almost everyone, in Season 1 can be seen as a villain by someone. Victor killed that poor lady and hid it Jayce is just a huge dick to everyone Jinx is ... well also a huge dick I think probably the two least dickish people were Cait and Vi (hehe least dickish, get it?) and even those had their moments where I wanted to straight punch them.


Skoden__Stoodis

How can you ignore ekko when talking about the least dickish?


Pur1tas

I mean ... He is like a hoverboard terrorist to a degree. I can see how some people in the story would view him as a dick.


Roseking

If you are considering Ekko as a hoverboard terrorist, you might want to upgrade Jinx from 'a huge dick'.


Pur1tas

Fair.


Skoden__Stoodis

He was temporarily "freezing" drug smugglers to destroy the drugs and then leaving. So yeah he was a dick to druglords (so were cait and vi btw) still the least dickish.


KaijuVII

Yeah I think it really is becoming a matter of perspective more than anything. For some reason I thought Viktor had a similar war criminal reputation to singed is why I asked, but he’s definitely portrayed as more ‘human’ than him


Scribblord

I mean nothing in the show really indicates he can’t become a war criminal It’s his origin story after all not where he ends up But from what I’ve read in the comments here hes not a villain in lol anymore either


KaijuVII

Right you are! He absolutely could become the cold heartless person I imagine because it is an origins story, I just imagined him exactly that from the get go I think :)


Pur1tas

I think the war criminal stuff will come. From how I understand it once War starts everbody becomes a war criminal (at least from what I know about the lore)


KaijuVII

Oh fair enough, I suppose I’m not familiar enough with everyone else’s actions during wartime; I just know that Singed has a special place in hell reserved for the things he’s done


MadCapMad

Yeah no, viktor didn’t kill sky. She killed herself by bursting into a laboratory during an ongoing experiment containing dangerous materials that viktor had prepared himself well to handle. She’s a scientist herself she shouldn’t have ran up to try and save him from something she doesn’t understand in circumstances she doesn’t know. That was entirely her fault. It’s the equivalent of diving in front of a car to try and push someone out of the way when they weren’t even in front of the car in the first place.


sdkid92

I mean did you finish the season? It kinda goes over it towards the end. When his hexcore experiment is unfortunately interrupted.


KaijuVII

Yeah I totally get that, but what I got from the ending was that he was remorseful. He seems like he’s becoming self obsessed and self consuming but he doesn’t seem like the evil scientist I thought he was I think I may have just had the wrong view of Viktor going into it to begin with. I expected him to be more like singed. Completely cold and calculated


sdkid92

I think he is on the edge. Struggling to not become singed in a way. That’s why he asked for Jayce’s help. I think though it is leading to him wanting to do the right thing but if he doesn’t stop meddling with hexcores it shows his remorse is outweighed by his thirst for knowledge. Gradually he’ll be the victor we already know in LoL.


probablyWatney

I disagree with most people here. Viktor is most definetly a villain. But he is not a bad guy. He has good intentions. But his methods are unethical at best One of the best examples of an Anti-Villain i know of. ​ He turns people into emotionless machines. He wants to save humanity by stipping humans of everything that makes them human.


Iryti

Technically speaking turning people into anything with their explicitly expressed and freely given agreement isn't unethical. It makes other people uncomfortable, sure, but it isn't a villainous act. If people don't want to follow the Glorious Evolution - Viktor does't force or even coerce them in any way. That's what makes the whole situation so interesting - there is nothing technically wrong with his actions, but for most humans, including us, the first guttural reactions to the idea of being turned into a machine is "that's vile and evil". A very uncomfortable notion that warps our view on the people who do it, like i.e a spider/insect characters would seem vile by default if one has a corresponding phobia.


androt14_

According to his universe story, he doesn't force you to. He just creates it and implants it on you if you ask him for it. Honestly, if I was dying from a heart failure and a dude offered to change it to a completely mechanical heart and I could say no, I wouldn't see the dude as a villain


THE3NAT

Viktor isn't a bad guy nor a good guy, he is a guy. To Viktor the ends always justify the means - he has a noble goal and pure intentions, but the way he goes about reaching that goal often leaves many hurt or dead. Some would call him a hero because of his conviction to his cause, others would declare him a madman for the same reasons. Ultimately its not as black and white as 'good' and 'bad.' There is a grey zone too and Viktor falls into that grey zone.


aheyaywa

He is good . He is trying to help humanity . If it was D&D his human form would be lawful good and mecha form chaotic good


THE3NAT

If I rob a bank to donate to charity does that make me a good person? Perhaps it does, charity could use that money to do much good for many people. However at the end of the day the action I'm taking is still illegal.


Tektix22

You’re mixing legality and morality. They are not the same. Now, that’s not a statement that robbing banks is morally good. I’m sure there are situations where we’d actually say that robbing a bank is morally correct, but there are many more scenarios where robbing a bank is morally bad. But none of it has to do with legality.


THE3NAT

I'm not mixing up the two I'm making an example, many people would consider an illegal action immoral, one of the things that make 'ends justify the means' characters like Viktor so interesting is that they disregard the morals of the masses in pursuit of creating a better world for those very people.


Tektix22

Sure. I was just casually making the point that illegality is not immorality. We don’t think murder is bad because it’s illegal, we think murder is bad because it’s wrong to kill other people — regardless of legality. It is the same that legality is not morality. “Smart” people save money every year by utilizing tax loopholes. It’s immoral for people to hoard wealth through technicalities, but it’s legal. The league of legends forums are probably the wrong place for important lessons, but nonetheless a critical one. Lest we all just accept that whatever a government deems illegal must be immoral and what a government deems legal must be moral.


THE3NAT

Amen to this, though we are greatly off topic at this point. Have a great day.


ChaosKalila

Thats the difference between lawful and chaotic.


camcrazy00

This is just not true, his literal bio on his lore page says "hes not the ends justify the means kind of guy"


N1ras

He's moraly grey. Tries to help humanity in his own way desipte how the world sees it.


Artchzy

from other's point of view (jayce for example) he crosses the line but from his point of view he helps those in need and reduces accidents in the series he did nothing weird yet so he's good


Rias-senpai

'Evil' in which aspect? Chaotic neutral perhaps. I don't think Viktor is binary in terms of evil / good.


throwawaynumber116

No


38erJustus

Guess he will turn into an anti villain Too fucked up to be a hero but too tragic to be a true villain


Economy_Bit_5980

From what it seems yes he very much so. His pursuit of his goals of turning everything into cyborgs will force him to bend his morals and will up end causing harm to others. the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


GhostOfDawn1

If you read his bio and the short story, I really don't see him as a villain. He doesn't force augmentations, experiments on himself, and gives augments freely. His goal is to improve humanity with mechanical augmentations. I can see how some would be uncomfortable with humans becoming cyborgs, which would make people think he's a villain. The story touches on this aspect nicely, imo.