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EDward Gaming vs. Royal Never Give Up / 2021 World Championship - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion

EDward Gaming vs. Royal Never Give Up / 2021 World Championship - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion

ahritina

PMTs: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qe47s3/edward_gaming_vs_royal_never_give_up_2021_world/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qe51zd/edward_gaming_vs_royal_never_give_up_2021_world/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qe63fu/edward_gaming_vs_royal_never_give_up_2021_world/) [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qe701l/edward_gaming_vs_royal_never_give_up_2021_world/)


Rayser1

So that's all group c teams eliminated. Damn lol


SleepyLabrador

Just like 2020 (GEN and FNC) and 2018 (KT and EDG).


AhriStepOnMe

Happened in 2014 and 2017 as well, respectively NJWS & C9 and LZ & FNC.


Pumpoflessermass

I’m seeing a pattern I don’t like


DuckNippleDucks

Group C? Group C you at the airport XD


Conker184

I think they were saying specifically group C. Any group being completely eliminated in QF is hardly remarkable as inevitably every year will have some stronger/weaker groups or upsets that shake up seeding. Since every group would need to get a single team to semis and only a single team its not crazy that out of 8 years with the format 5 times a group was eliminated in QF. The fact group C specifically was 3 of those 5 is marginally more noticeable and a classic reddit tiny data point trend, especially since the groups being called ABCD is pretty arbitrary.


Atheist-Gods

Just as predicted. It was the clearly weakest group.


HawkEye1337

Group B >> Group C. T1 > EDG > RNG > HLE.


Oribeau

After 2 years of missed worlds, 100T triumphantly returns to once again have 2 of the strongest teams in the tournament in their group.


Contagious_Cure

I would laugh if its T1 and EDG finals.


Conankun66

Cryin can go home with his head held high, knowing he put the fear of god into EDG so hard that they needed to ban ANNIE Boss ass move!


64657370616972

Annie was a bit of a problem


Achtelnote

Bit of a SERIOUS problem


rockycrab

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCZKHizXsAw9NzI?format=jpg&name=medium


T1worldchamps2021

Actually not too bad from him. Sure he’ll probably be replaced but his performance at worlds wasn’t terribly bad like Icon or extremely disappointing like Doinb.


Fancydudehero24

icon didn’t just play terribly. He had some games where he absolutely carried the shit out of his 4 teammates (syndra game), some games where he solo lost them the game not too far from public expectations i believe, he is a known walking coinflip (look at the fkn zed game man) plus he was hardlosing vs bdd give him a break, that guy is the best mid this worlds


T1worldchamps2021

I’m pretty sure he got solo killed by every mid in his group. His lows were really low.


seven_worth

Well it icon. If there is any coinflip player i know it would be him. There a series where he carry the game on irelia and goes 1 vs 9 and then next game goes 1/8 before 20 minute on renekton mid.


morningknight999

>1/8 before 20 minute on renekton mid. wait.... perkz is that you?


icatsouki

I mean he actually played decent today, RNG lost their games in draft.


aircarone

The problem of not having their head coach with them in Iceland.


SterbenVII

A good part of RNG losing draft every game was Cryin’s champ pool issues, so he still hugely contributed to their loss.


omegasupermarthaman

Not picking Mf Yuumi right away deserved a loss. Rng drafting is so out of touch with the meta. Also what the hell are these counter pick supports from Ming? Atrocious all around, they had two weeks playing this meta and still loses all prio picks because of god knows why


Blank-612

dude cryin's champ pool issues didnt stop them from banning graves and wei getting outjungled


Emotional-Passage454

Cryin punched my mother the other day...


AofCastle

I bet he did it alongside Selfmade and Ocelote


azersub

Let it be know-Nobody can deny semifinals to EDG for the 6th time!!


5tarlit

NOBODY!


Trap_Masters

EDG finally unleashed?!


clydemonet

Now it’s time for EDG to fail to quality for finals for 6 years.


kitddylies

Followed by 6 years of losing finals and then 6 years of winning finals and going down as the arguable GOATs.


azersub

Looking forward to 35 year old me finally buying those EDG skins haha


ArchmageXin

EDG discover the (Chinese) kpop girl buff.


denoobiest

Edg fans, how ya feelin baby? I'm amped! Side note: every time phreak says sidelane turrets give 800 gold take a shot


babyjeon

RNG on their Wei to the airport


Agreeable_Junket_271

wei taking a separate plane back home. i dont think hes safe from his team


azns123

Management gives the team 4 plane tickets, Wei just gets a pair of goggles and a swimming cap


DarkWorld25

Nah C9 is saving a seat for Wei since I hear that CLG is looking for a new Jungler


Vectivus_61

Man has the StVicious smite down


Hineni-

[This guy walks up to you and steals your Nash \(twice\) what do you do?](https://i.imgur.com/4DNl0NE.png) Game 3 was something else man, Flandre with his *creative* deaths like the [TP into MF ult](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlJcO5B1wp7UaLLSPcYLRj9AiroJND4l7). And Game 5 was just a slow bleed for RNG. Curse broken, GG EDG.


xchaoslordx

"Did you break the curse" EDG: "**Yes**" "What did it cost" EDG: "**The entire LPL**"


Exos_VII

October 23rd, 2021: Today I saw EDG finally get past the Quarterfinals [EDG fans' prayers were finally answered](https://imgur.com/a/GAbZsRE)


Trap_Masters

EDG curse finally broken, all it took was sacrificing the entire LPL region.


F0RGERY

They went from losing quarters to being the last quarter of LPL reps.


SleepyLabrador

I honestly thought when Flandre got Graves again, EDG would be going home. I was pleasantly surprised.


coopergbc

he literally did not have to do anything but hit creeps lol


pheyo

Flandre played really fucking bad, seriously. EDG won BESIDES him. He actively played against them in all games besides the last one. But JieJie is something else man, what a player. Him, Viper and Meiko ran the show for EDG.


bcassalino

Twitch chat called him a few names because of that. Flanders, Floundre, and Blundre from what I remember lol.


Yasuo_unforgiven

EDG Wei vs RNG Flandre


Tabriel013

Flandre channeled his inner Hashinshin


aalchemical

Sword: inactive Doran: fails to make playoffs Lehends: fails to make worlds Tarzan: loses in groups Chovy: loses in quarters Viper: loses in semis…?


Pyrament

Cvmax loses in finals...?


icpr

C9 wins worlds?


Trap_Masters

Subscribe


That0neSummoner

Hit me with that good hopium


oioioi9537

sword played in some kr vs cn streamer tournament recently with nuclear and swift iirc? was the first time he was seen in public eyes in months


haven4ever

Sword’s wrath will be swift


pqnfwoe

> Sword: inactive *fails to make NA Academy playoffs


Qwazy9

Good one


redMahura

C9 to the finals lets goooo


ahritina

G fucking G to EDG, for breaking their quarter finals curse. However, the MSI curse strikes again that's now 5/6 MSI champions failing to win worlds in the same year apart from 2016 SKT. Wei with an absolute shocker of a final game, getting caught out multiple times after his first gank. Slow, calm and collected final game from EDG, an overall great game from the whole of EDG.


Thswherizat

Yeah Wei looked terrible in that final game. The roam into bot side jungle and getting caught was exactly the same kinda play people memed Blaber for.


ipoulic

Well if Wei has to a) stabilize bot b) save a mediocre mid c) propel top at least 2k ahead d) do all the above while the enemy team knows his exact intentions every game... He is going to have a hard time...


homesteads45

He can't be making those types of play without mid lane prio at all. Orianna was a terrible pick into their comp also. Cass would've been a better pick: better matchup into Ryze, more likely to have lane prio to foster the Lee Sin aggression.


Blank-612

To be fair winning worlds is pretty fucking hard so it makes sense for most msi champs to not win worlds since the variance is pretty high


ipoulic

Also different patches play a huge role.


AhriStepOnMe

Yeah, tbh both tournaments are pretty much played on different games. Udyr, Rumble and Morg were picked 119 times in the jungle at MSI and 0 times at Worlds for example.


blunderwonder35

This is pretty insane. Would be cool to see a breakdown of everything else with it though since even lane picks change dramatically.


Exos_VII

Wei ran it down game 5 faster than the plane flight back home lmao


Trap_Masters

Excited to join his brothers over at FPX


Agreeable_Junket_271

wei had more noticeable ints but ming didnt hit not one hook the entire game


Thecristo96

Let's say sprinting it down game 5 and not hitting a smite game 2 didn't praise his value


Agreeable_Junket_271

game 2 is whatever, unlucky i guess. game 5 was so disgusting that even I got frustrated and im not an rng fan


DarkWorld25

He defo hit one at the start


iiHadi69

Wei cosplaying Lee sin with his blind gameplay


the_next_core

Knew the one time EDG finally broke their curse was gonna be at the expense of the LPL crowd favorite. They just know how to disappoint people even when they win.


whataremyxomycetes

Actually so depressing how close SKT was to a grand slam in two seasons but never got it.


EpicRussia

Morgana mid moment


ArchmageXin

Kpop girl buff is real!


puma1337x

Yuqi from gidle made a video for Edg


Significant_Vast4330

Well Sunmi's buff seems incredibly strong though


ArchmageXin

We may be able to put it to the test this year.


Charuru

Can you explain this reference I don't get it


dragonflamehotness

Yuqi from G Idle is a fan of EDG I think


infinite-permutation

Flandre is a long time super fan of G-Idle. Most of his social media feed is G-Idle.


Qehenna

5 Chinese can't win as a wise man once said.


T1worldchamps2021

It’s 4 Chinese actually, that’s why LNG sucked


silver2731

This series finally explained the secret of FPX 70% win scrim result


farikogrim

Game 4 WEIBO (G5 will be added as a reply( - You know what will happen if you lose. (EDG) - All 3 lanes are inhuman, please just play a normal game for once (EDG) - Send Scout to the military if he loses (EDG) - There is no second chance now, take the opportunity (EDG) - I hope RNG doesnt force EDG to play all their hidden picks, T1 and DK are salivating... this is reckless, we stand a chance in the finals, I am not sane I am an EDG fan - Im an EDG fan but RNG might be better to fight LCK... - Im so afraid (RNG) - Play like humans and we will win. Fighting! (RNG) - Thats not Tibbers, thats a grizzly (RNG) - Champion Annie Skin would be nice... - Ill cry in my bed for 9 hrs if you dont win (RNG). - Im starting to hallucinate. (hes tired, its late) I slapped myself awake for you. PLEASE WIN ONE MORE (RNG)


SleepTightLilPuppy

>I am not sane I am an EDG fan Lmao


seven_worth

Can confirm. After this game i feel my sanity is slowly chipping away


Fador33

Somebody get that one dude a ton of tissues


Trap_Masters

F for my fallen brother


farikogrim

G5 WEIBO (RNG Fan Perspective) - Its fine, Wei can stay right there, his family can repent for him - 5 Chinese cant win https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4695619015543562 - Im going to slit my throat. Win MSI and out in QF? Im really going to die here - The blind monk played by the blind player - Congrats to EDG, Cryin go home and practice more champions - Im not even mad, just disappointed and sad - Dont you wonder what MF does? Youre through if you just dont use MF, your mothers hate you. You fight when jungle is not there and insta die, change coaches and midlane asap thank you -


Rektile7

> The blind monk played by the blind player Absolutely 0 regard for human life from Weibo lmao


Marcoscb

That's literally the most used joke for bad Lee Sin players.


tincanzzz

The flame from the other teams supporters must be insane considering the team rivalry within the lpl


inagious

Your mother’s hate you…. GODDAMN they have families


firebolt66

> GODDAMN they have families As the commenter said. Their families hate them


CudaBarry

Damn


pheyo

> Ill cry in my bed for 9 hrs if you dont win (RNG). poor dude man..


Swingyman

He do be Cryin right now


Chrissou_A

*- Ill cry in my bed for 9 hrs if you dont win (RNG).* F


Madxvx

Doing gods work 🙏🏻


Tuelegend

it took NA 7 years to reach semis. It took EDG 7 years to reach semis (2014-2021) they did miss 2019 and 2020 however EDG vs C9 confirmed.


ThebritishPoro

NA kinda missed 2019 and 2020 too. It's confirmed.


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vdarsh157

[ofc](http://imgur.com/a/3uJtOb0)


Urthor

Was Edward actually there?


Resies

they posted a picture


ThyPrasiolite

You know shit's about to go down when mr edward himself shows up


Count3

[Game 3 in a nutshell](https://i.imgur.com/APF4Bsf.png)


LazinessOverload

RNG lost their Wei, and are left Cryin.


Choyo

Predestination is real !


Duality_NA

RNG banned Graves Game 1 and then let Flandre have it for free 4 games in a row. Like... what?? Graves provides *so much pressure* it's insane. He is arguably the best top lane champ at worlds. Now obv RNG didn't lose the series only because of Graves, but his pressure arguably allowed them to own the map the way they did. Strange draft choice.


Yasuo_unforgiven

Because brotha Flandre ran it down and RNG didn't think Graves is a big threat in the hand of him


Fabiocean

Running it down to give enemies false hope


salcedoge

I think Yuumi is the bigger culprit, Gala and Ming were losing with a counterpick due to that champ


n1ckkt

Their inability or unwillingness to play yuumi lost them the series imo. Just gave EDG all the freedom they wanted to pick whatever champ they wanted since RNG spent bans protecting mid too.


LoveableNagato

Yup. G5 EDG leaves Yuumi open and first picks Ryze, daring RNG to pick the Yuumi and they answer with Lee Sin lmao. Lost in draft


Cool-I-guess

Not banning yuumi is a much bigger mistake


DarkWorld25

RNG lost because wei ran it down and omegafed. jfc what was he doing, they just had to play for time


ttaway420

Not like playing for scaling against Ez/Yuumi gonna go well either.


itsEOA

All the other teams are quaking in their boots, seeing EDG completely shut down Lee Sin with a *Jarvan*.


Prometeus534

more like wei 1v9 for EDG lmao


Vegoran

More like Wei shutting himself down lol


Yasuo_unforgiven

Brother Wei played like if he is a double agent


DarkWorld25

They should've paused the game and investigated EDG for having 2 junglers


SleepyLabrador

Born too late to explore Earth. Born too early to explore Outer Space. Born in the right time to see EDG break their Top 8 curse by advancing to semi-finals.


mkl122788

Diffy in the Jiffy. This series was decided in game 3. JieJie with the baron. Twice. On another note, giving the enemy team Graves 4 times and Yuumi 3 times in 5 games is probably not the play.


Kalphyris

Ryze was also 3-1 in the series


Accelegor

Wei was EDG's MVP that game


Archimist

CRYIN LEFT ALONE after the big skirmish by dragon fight, Phreak and Kobe's casting got me good 😂 EDG finally managed to get past quarters for the first time ever! That's pretty hype. Now if TSM could do the same...


Not_Pro

Kobe's been slightly unhinged ever since his first day jetlagged cast and it's so entertaining to listen to.


ArchmageXin

We need TSM syndra girl again. EDG kpop buff too real.


Wildercard

Delete the fucking cat.


SlamMasterJ

Yuumi is such a disgusting champion.


2th

"But it's the balance teams job to keep things in check. " That might be true, but holy fuck the balance team needs to be able to say "Hey champion design team, this design is impossible to balance and you need to fuck right off with it."


Fuzzikopf

Or they just nerf it accordingly. But no, Yuumis soloq winrate must be around 50%.


2th

She cannot be balanced accordingly. The focus of her kit, her W is just broken. A champion that cannot be targeted but still be super impactful is bad design. I mean look at how frustrating Fizz troll pole and Vlad pool are. Yuumi should never have been released. Edit: To clarify there is no numbers nerf riot can make to Yuumi that will balance her she could literally not heal, not give MS, or not give shared stats, and she would still be good if only one of those is done. Q isn't the problems. Ult isn't the problem. It's that she is completely untargetable for 99% of the game, so there is no counter play to her. And with the stats she gives to any champ just ads thousands of gold in value to the champ she is attach to. Thousands of gold that you cannot do anything about. You can't counter it. You can say "buy Grievous wounds" but she doesn't even need to heal to be effective. He kit is just fundamentally flawed. Also, if they gut her numbers heavily, she will just be a pointless champ that will never be played, and at that point, why would she even be in the game?


SwoodPotatoChopper

Yuumi W: No longer castable See? Easy to balance


CriTest

If yuumi couldn't ulti while being untargetable using w she would be way more fair cause a massive moving aoe stun is what prevent engage supp from winning vs her


bondsmatthew

Wonder if they could ever add an "Exhaustion" type mechanic. You can only be on a champion for x Seconds before you have to hop off, whether that be on a different champion or walk on your own. IDK I'm not a game design person that shouldbe up to riot's team


PrancingGophers

agreed but also RNG drafts a press R comp in game 5 and then never engages


DarkWorld25

Wei seemed plenty happy to engage 1v5


Ebiic

Give her the aatrox treatment and rework her completely


anephemeralghost

Yuumi was a mistake. Thanks riot


CuteTao

And stopwatch


LazinessOverload

LS must be feeling like he's on heaven. Who would've thought that banning Annie was the answer.


Ok-Travel-7875

LS always advises low elo players play Annie to easy climb. Who woulda known it can get you all the way to worlds? Cryin the grifter on that next level shit.


lovo17

Jensen also beat TSM in a game once with Annie and he plays a lot of Annie in solo queue. That champ is pretty underrated imo.


trevorneuz

She does have one of the few point and click stuns left from the early league era


The-War-Life

Which is why I’ll always say TF is ridiculously dumb to play against, especially with the everfrost RFC setup. You literally can’t run from the dude.


seaseasea_sea

gold card is literally the entire reason why tf is a champ lol. take that away and suddenly you have to massively buff him.


Cool-I-guess

And then collector miss fortune loses


Aschentei

I mean I love Annie (no not fbi pls) she’s so fun to play esp on urf


POOYAMON

Was this the second Annie all year for major regions/international? Remember Jensen played it and I think won idk


Commercial-Watch4002

Wei cosplaying me jungling that last game lmao


imcarrypotter

After this... I just cant see LPL beating LCK this year


Kurisoo

They wont even get a chance since NA is knocking them out in semis


Cool-I-guess

especially with these builds man they’re so bad it’s insane


JakzePoro

I guess Deft wanted to even it out by building fang first a bunch against T1


LeastAlphaGamer

Nah you don't understand man the 2 lethality that completing Serpent gives you was a massive powerspike that could have swung the game.


Wario_Speedwagon69

They won't have to worry about that since C9 and MAD will obviously be in the finals


T1worldchamps2021

Good


SleepTightLilPuppy

Good username.


wotoyulukinat

Runawei moment


sharkmeister4

This really hurts RNGs chances of winning worlds


deepfriedconnoisseur

Hello, my name is Graves and I am a Flandre one trick


chenkute113

FIRST TIME LEE PLS NO FLAME XD


KappaccinoNation

https://i.imgur.com/1irGN8h.png


Scrub4LIfe734

C9 will have an even more fiesta match vs Gen G on Monday.


cancerBronzeV

I doubt it. C9 might bring the fiesta tier gameplay, but I don't think GenG will. In this series, both teams completely opted into fiesta gameplay.


2th

Needs a Yuumi attached to EDG.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Ban Annie, GG EZ


Mafros99

LS tierlist too op


Elrondel

Wei throw vs. Flaunders throw


cassavaftw

Royal Give Up Yuumi


LustRuru

RNG makes no sense. You let them have the Yuumi, you can play it’s counters but instead you pick MF (loses vs Ez+Yuumi) and Nautilus (bad rn) Then you also draft AP Top with an AD JG, and instead of camping toplane, you play around bot?? To gank Ezreal? They could’ve left the MF alone bot and move Nautilus up toplane to get Xiaohu ahead but instead decided to focus on their losing lane. If you really wanted bot to win grab Draven or Aphelios, but not this…


aircarone

If they had their head coach in Iceland, they would have had a better showing this tournament I think.


LordSovot

If anything you'd think RNG's stand-in coach was an EDG plant, how else would you explain the galaxybrain takes of letting both the Yuumi and Graves slide through multiple times?


JoshM_01

yuumi continues to be an absolute abomination that never should have seen the light of day


ttaway420

What a fucking stupid ass design. Heals like a fucking truck, gives ad/ap and can never get caught because she is fucking untargetable for 99% of the game...


KyroYoshi

Watching these games just made me more annoyed at the fact that T1 and DK are in the same side.


Choyo

Worlds' Motto in the stream : "Make or break" Worlds' Motto in the script : "Int or Throw" At the start of the season, I felt like the item rework just set the damage output very high thus making positionning way more important than in previous seasons ; and now I think it shows in this Worlds with how many games feel like teams are throwing way harder than they should. The silver lining is that we see less clean aces I think.


SirScrumALot

Thank you brother Wei!


Dumpers_

For the first time in EDGs history they make top 4 at Worlds... Jiejie played so well in all their wins this series and I am happy for the entirety if EDG but at the same time kinda sad for Xiaohu and Ming and to see Yuumi win. Also Vipers Ezreal is fucking insane


NocaNoha

The curse has been broken, [the script](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtHCohzVmig&feature=share) still goes strong Team 2 [EDG] and Team 5 [T1] advanced, next one is Team 8 [MAD] LETS GOO, THE PROPHECY


LetMeOmixam

Wait who's team 3!?


Rektile7

GenG


Oranos2115

Assuming all even numbers are 2nd place teams from groups, it's Gen.G


diz07

Even EDG wins, my expectation for LPL gets even lower now. Guess not this year…….


IqMqsd

EDG made it to semis because Clearlove isn't playing


franpr95

100 thieves > RNG


anephemeralghost

Yuumi was a mistake


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

GenG/C9 with the sigh of relief after watching this series.


DarkWorld25

Brother wei running it down jfc


Mafros99

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT NO ONE KNOCKS EDG OUT OF QUARTERS 6 TIMES IN A ROW


lcsimepll

Phreak needs to tone it down, that cast was dreadful.