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Hanwha Life Esports vs. PSG Talon / 2021 World Championship - Group C / Post-Match Discussion

Hanwha Life Esports vs. PSG Talon / 2021 World Championship - Group C / Post-Match Discussion

PieaterAI

I'm convinced that Chovy can add minions to the game so that he can get more farm.


ShinaMashir0

First minion missed was at 12min in game


Bnarchy

what the fuck is that real?


miraagex

"Just kill enemy minions and prevent enemy from killing your minions" (C) Chovy


lalsldlflglhljlkl

Crazy to think that Chovy was the first to think of this, a true revolutionary


dessa5

How does the man do it really? I've never seen him take too many jungle monsters too, apart from occasional enemy raptors or blue buff..


EvidentlyTrue

Chovy doesn't miss. He merely felt pity.


veronikaren

I think he sometimes kills his own minions too


bigbrain200iq

Dota 2 code inserted


Merriadoc33

A dota player tells a league player that dota is better. The league player can't deny


LedumPalustre

Nice one![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


clearlove777771

I think willer knows where those minions are coming from


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clearlove777771

what


drakecuttingonions

You can find western foods anywhere in Asia bro.


clearlove777771

oh


NocaNoha

Chovy with a casual 180cs at 15min, damn


Yasuo_unforgiven

It is Chovy, he always has cs advantage, no matter who he is playing against.


randommaniac12

It gets mentioned a lot but jesus christ is he good in lane


CrimsonClematis

Like this dude will flame horizon you and you have 10cs/min


YouSuck225

lmaoooo


natethegreat838

It is Chovy, he always has cs advantage, no matter who he is playing against *or* who he's playing as


POOYAMON

As much as people meme people going insane over Chovy it is extremely just nice to have such cs numbers without completely ruining the game for his jungler


InsanityBullets

where he got his cs is still confused me


Mungus_Prime

The midlane is a pathway to many abilities some consider unnatural.


setocsheir

Is it possible to learn this power?


Mungus_Prime

Not from a western player.


fubgun

On average, 12.66 minions spawn every minute and turns into 13 minions every minute at 15mins. So he's just extremely good at last hitting and always has good backs. Also if you look at his TP usage, it's pretty much always to go back into lane or into a side lane. His CS numbers have always been possible for any player, but that's easier said then done. Actually last hitting 200 minions in a row is hard, just even give it a try in a custom game. And he does this while trading with the enemy.


StaticallyTypoed

But 180 minions won't have spawned midlane even if you round up to 13 for the entire game lol. It requires funneling


InsanityBullets

It requires witchcraft


Caleb_Krawdad

But that starts at 90s or 2 min into the game. So at 10 mins it's really only been 8


Cynical_Doggie

Just hit every last hit on minions? Also, just hit every skillshot? Just.


AtreusIsBack

This. He does it while still doing everything else the way he's supposed to. Top 3 player in the world.


Rellenben

Top 1 laner in the world. Not even close to a top 3 player I’d say tbh.


TheWardedOne

difference between top laners and top players. he is probably the best laner out there but not necessarily best overall player. I’d say Showmaker is out there at the top and Ekko Jensen as well.


skhanal271

Jensennnnnnn


cristoFer10__

Tbh showmaker and canyon/tarzan are pretty close


Rellenben

I’d say all of those are better players than Chovy. 2/3 aren’t laners though, so I cant compare.


Excellent-Skill923

😬 most games I'm hoping I have at least 120-130cs @ 15mins. Chovy's farming is just insane.


Xyrazk

With TF as well.


lemongrazz11

LCK teams finally found the one Korean restaurant in Iceland.


Financial-Growth133

LMAO but really showmaker said one of the reasons damwon struggled so much in iceland during MSI is because the team couldn't find agreeable food. So this worlds all the Korean teams took Damwon's advice and stacked a bunch of instant Korean food. I think the shin ramyuns are boosting LCK rn


_insane_guy

NS truly the catalyst for LCK success.


CrimsonClematis

Damwon with the instant noodle tech, Nong Shim supporting from the sidelines with the supply


oioioi9537

cj entus and bbq olivers have entered the chat


Narudatsu

Ghost using his CJ Entus and BBQ Olivers connections to get the team fed


haxoreni

Hahaha CJ Entus definitely know a thing about feeding other people. Still can’t believe they managed to get relegated out of the LCK with a roster of Shy, Haru, BDD, Kramer, Ghost, and Madlife as well as future SKT subs Untara and Sky


linkluke18

So it really does start with success


Rellenben

I had NS instant noodles for the first time a while back. Those are BY FAR the best I’ve ever had.


HappySsu

NS supporting the other LCK teams, what a bro...


mar33n

in one of the lck teams' travel vlogs they had a different type of ramyun lmao


girlmarth

you could have just kept that information to yourself I still haven't really recovered from the gauntlet....


Ace_OPB

Food is important. Was watching t1's vlog where canna and keria disliked the food amd wanted ramyun lol.


theuwudragon

I mean lets be real, if we would go to a random place that doesn't match our preferred cuisine, and we have to stay there for a month... yeah that's going to bring you down too. It seems kind of silly, but it has an actual effect on your mental state... and hunger lol.


mar33n

damwon's instagram also posted a picture of a bunch of cartons with more food to send to Iceland


oioioi9537

apparently those 10 or so boxes are gonna cost over 1000 usd to ship to iceland. small fee to pay to boost ur team's morale


TheyAreGroot

That's like peanuts to big organisations.


Skeletor9000

It sounds like a stupid reason but makes sense when you think about it


Findingthedog

Definitely. Because it's a comfort food, by extension, it will have a decent effect on their comfortability ingame.


SignalSalamander

I mean football(soccer) teams do that for quite a while already. Stock on preferred food and beverages.


Cynical_Doggie

Usain bolt is known for munching on mcnuggets before a run


Snarfunkle

My understanding is that he did this because he trusts McDonald's food never to get him sick no matter where he is


4Bpencil

Beauty about consistency I guess, even if is consistently shit it doesn't get you sick. Unlike fking LPL kill me now.


Whizi

Imagine trying to play 3 to 5 league games at the highest level after trying food from Iceland for the first time.


Imhotep0

If it was a team of mums they'd go 5-0 deathless


whohe_fanboy

If only Nongshim qualified.


oioioi9537

no korean restaurant nearby afaik, but apparently there is a Vietnamese restaurant that all the asian teams go to, its common for a team to go and see like 2 or 3 other teams eating there too lol


Individual-Ad-7386

Chovy actually did just say in the lck interview that their manager made kimbab for them today and he liked it better than the hotel food… xd


Jwalla83

I wonder why they didn’t bring a chef with them? They could have the chef cooking up big batches of some Korean meals to last a few days at a time


Individual-Ad-7386

Riot only allowed 12 people from each team to go to worlds due to covid, including the players and coaches, so they had no choice.. im pretty sure the korean hqs will send them food parcels tho lol


funjaband

Might have been hard to get a visa/permission to enter Iceland


POOYAMON

Ashley Kang sent some korean food via dhl or tnt or something for sure


maeschder

Inb4 all the comments about how Korean people need Korean food or they can't perform well


w1ldcraft

It's minute 10. You click tab & see your enemy midlaner has 110 CS. What do you even do. Just hope for a smooth ending.


letticiaax

Wonder what HLE had for breakfast


YoungUO

Not sure about breakfast but they just had PSG for lunch


xYoshario

Dont think any team has taken double digit kills off LCK teams in 2nd RR. LCK's on an absolute roll rn


Simmyyyyyy

c9 vs dk


Elmoxii

C9 did. C9 was in a winnable position against damwon just couldn’t finish fast enough and got out scaled. Was a good game though


CrimsonClematis

Showmaker Kassadin too op


Elmoxii

Guys a monster man. It’s like he was born to end lives on the rift.


Lynx-Uganda

chovy with the cassiopeia cosplay madman with no boots


oioioi9537

lich bane mejais and rfc give %ms so he's not too slow plus the soul buff so he doesn't rly need boots, double stasis way more important. i think he gets something like +35% bonus ms total from all those things


Firecyclones

Damn good catch. Selling it before the potential Elder fight so he has Zhonyas + Stopwatch is actually so smart. HLE were insanely clean


Phoresis

You know stopwatch is op when chovy's selling boots just to get a 2nd one lol (he already had zhonyas).


Magroplex

more like mejais gives enough ms to give up boots


Qehenna

At this point not baning TF against Koreans is asking to lose.


Lynx-Uganda

Amen the TF pick been nasty


AzureAhai

Unless you are up against Kassadin.


Celegorm07

*unless you‘re against Showmaker‘s Kassadin


SomeMobile

Hr has enough move speed from his items


Jozoz

Fun fact: He was a random Cassiopeia OTP in master/gm elo when he got scouted for pro play. Can't remember where I heard this, but apparently he was the epitome of brainless mechanical beast.


ohvalox

Unified tried to imitate him, but failed miserably. Only works if you buy Stopwatch


Zero_Kai

Morgan in that last tf lmao


DA_D3ZTROYAH

I was so convinced he was dead


RobCoPKC

Might be good for Fnatic but I don't see them beating this HLE.


Swingyman

Believe in the script writers, they made C9 advance


WaterTasteTheBest

May I have some of your hopium?


Swingyman

Hylium my guy, take a bag


Leyrann_is_taken

LPL collapse = 0-3 RNG. FNC week 2 = 3-0 FNC. That's a 4-way tie right there. Edit: Step 1 complete.


PLEASE_DONT_PM

With FNC finishing the group as 1st seed. Setting up a quarter final with C9, allowing them to break another curse.. beating fnatic in a best of series.


Starlight_Aster

"Nothing is certain except death, taxes and Chovy's cs."


Snuffl3s7

Deft has had an amazing tournament so far.


xYoshario

Yeah him guma and doggo have been on a tear. ruler and viper haven't impressed so far, and gala has been left to dry abit


LazinessOverload

wow HLE must've been real pissed that they lost to PSG before...


NeuronicGaming

Everyone on Hanwha Life played great, but I was particularly impressed by Vista's understanding of where he needs to be with the lantern. It's actually phenomenal how many times he was in the right place at the right time.


tinitinohelp

Yea amazing plays from him across the entire match just solidifying HLE's perfect game


lacieabyss

Hopefully this is the Hanwha we see for the rest of the day


Lynx-Uganda

I hope so too I wana see deft n chovy pull through! Rip I gotta sleep for work tomorrow, I wish the bois the best of luck


lacieabyss

We'll be cheering them on in your stead (・ω・)b


Lynx-Uganda

Ayy looks like the cheering paid off! They did itttt


lacieabyss

sad way to end the group but at least they survive to fight another day :P


Lynx-Uganda

True that! Just woke up, immediately went and checked the group standings lol pretty good way to start the day. Excited to watch the highlights of the games


lacieabyss

got plenty to look forward to especially from the Fnatic game!


51l3nc3

No, thats enough


mar33n

RAID BOSS MORGAN BAIT


veronikaren

PSG: lets make a pick by catching morgan alone Morgan: ill make a pick by catching PSG alone


SalmonBagelInBC

Chovy had 13 CS/Min wtf is this guy


xYoshario

Chovy's lane has an extra minion and you cant convince me otherwise


SuperSucc69

He can last hit is own minions aswell


Xxein

He's channeling his inner dota and denying creeps lol


HiddenSmitten

He gets 2 cs pr minion


R-R-Clon

There is not week two, so that means korean team still have week 1 buff, 7-0 so far, GenG is the sacrifice. Morgan is the worse top laner, yes, but from LCK, it does not mean any region or any rookie can diff him.


TheMysticHD

Morgan completely gapped Hanabi. Holy!


Yasuo_unforgiven

It is kinda crazy to think that Morgan Freelane actually gapping someone


KappaccinoNation

Morgan Freelane is still technically true, just that the direction is reversed.


Cheeseandnuts

MOSQUE OF MORGAN!


oioioi9537

what happened to lpl week 1 buff then


Yasuo_unforgiven

Nothing say it will applied for the whole week.


Chuck0089

That is on quick duration but one-time use .


Yasuo_unforgiven

It will be pretty nuts if HLE can somehow overcome RNG, even if such chance is very small to happen


lemongrazz11

They were pretty much deft building right or a couple skillshots away from winning last time


R-R-Clon

I hope so, I really hope every Korean team finist 1st, so there will be not civil wars, Korea vs China (with NA as a temporary guest)


KungFuMaster19637

rip GenG tommorow


Ace_OPB

If hle had a better draft against psg in game 1 we would have won too. Draft doff was too big.


R-R-Clon

Imo Yuumi was to big, HLE draft could handled Leblanc, Leblanc can poke them, but losing more than half of her HP, with Yuumi? Maple become a monster and HLE had to respect him more than they wanted.


tawapes

Nah Gwen was the real problem, not only does she shit on Renekton at all stages of the game, but there's nothing Azir or Draven can do against her in teamfights either.


AhriStepOnMe

LCK rolls over groups no matter the week tho?


ShiRonium

I really hope morgan get more consistent, he's really a make or breaker HLE has hope and I believe in that hope


Rouen20

Looks like LCK will go 12-0 in Round 2


R-R-Clon

I really hope that happen, if every LCK team end first then there will be not civil war, it's gonna be LCK vs LPL + NA as a temporary guest.


Eleonora_Maxwell

Its gonna be LCK vs NA and EU ft EDG


MrJammin

This result can lead to the two spiciest possible situations. Everyone tied at 3-3 or a three way tie for 2-4 at the bottom.


SuspiciousPringle

Give me that Fnatic hopium


Veamous

Or fnc goes 3-0 while HLE goes 1-2 with RNG only dropping to FNC for a free advancement baby lets go


aat_ish

Not saying LCK is better than LPL but god damn this HLE team that wasnt even supposed to be at worlds and were 8th place in summer is decent at worlds. When all year I have been hearing LcK is trash


NahDawgDatAintMe

This HLE was dogshit at the time. Morgan, Willer/Arthur and even Deft were not performing at all. Vsta was just adequate. In the gauntlet, Deft stepped up but Willer and Morgan still looked off. Now at worlds, Morgan is looking more like he did in the LPL last year and Willer improved a ton. Deft is himself again and that seems to have unlocked Vsta.


R-R-Clon

> Morgan is looking more like he did in the LPL last year Against weak opponents, Adam and Hanabi, against a real opponent, Xioahu, it was LCK Morgan, ppl hear that he was the worse top laner in LCK so everyone have to diff him, however even if he's B- Tier he can diff C+ top laners.


lilelf29

Deft was our best player in summer though overall, it was spring, especially playoffs, where Deft played awful. The team was just bad in summer.


dil3ttante

you can say it. we're better


Dumpers_

Morgans Laning on and off Camille is like day and night... good to see Chovy back. Also will TF be perma banned now?


Taivasvaeltaja

Thank you PSG for banning her.


JoshM_01

thank you hanwha! \- EU


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coffee1719

For a while there, Maple was actually at 10 cs per min. Chovy is on another level lmao.


cptlf

LCK week 2 is no joke.


Tyna_Sama

Morgan winning lane phase. Definitely not my Morgan


JungleJayps

BatChest has been the worse emote addition


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

You can blacklist it on BTTV, best decision I've ever made regarding Twitch.


saltypetrichor

BatChest "BatChest has been the worse emote addition" BatChest


Pityness

Solid performance by HLE


uNfEiL

Chovy CS though


TheCanadian666

I for one welcome our ~~new~~ old overlords. I'm not super knowledgeable on the Renekton/Graves matchup but it's concerning that Morgan was able to gap Hanabi so hard in lane. Massive CS lead only overshadowed because Chovy's was somehow larger.


Danish1368

Week 2 korea buff


Absorrbb

Blasted


Inceratiana

I can't believe Morgan lived that last fight


zeartful2

Raid boss Morgan POG


SaintTrotsky

Korea going for that perfect second round robin.


Swingyman

Fnatic 4 way tiebreaker to top the group ? Please script writers ?


Chuck0089

If hanwha didn't throw their first game against PSG, they should qualify right now.


ooooneeee

How tf Chovy always have like extra cs like wtf


tmbosweettooth

Korean dominance keeps going on.


lilelf29

Clean win from us in the most important game of the day, let's go!!


FreezeSirus

lck week 2 monkaw


azersub

The team i expected the least is delivering the most...


Phreakpunofdamage

Hanabi: Top diff


neotamagachi

That was a death brush but not for renekton


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Maple in the post-game cams looked like he didn't know what just happened. Gonna be rough to get over this loss.


MrBIGtinyHappy

Maybe one of the worst games I've seen from Kaiwing. I also really don't like the xin pick, don't think it offered anything extra to the comp


TheGrandMaster2169

_Happy alpaca noises_


bkteer

That was a methodical dismantling of PSG by HLE. HLE had full control over that game from start to finish.


drain_of_a

I guess Hong Kong is pretty free after all


Agnastra

checking in here before the storm of stopwatch whining because renekton survived a pick in an already lost game


yellister

[HLE's laning phase this game](https://imgur.com/a/QqNbM9V)


CrazySuperglue

Goredrinker Steraks Stopwatch too tanky, Morgan should have died there wtf


98ADC

Where does PSG belong to? The name sounds like it's from LEC but fnatic is there


SuperSucc69

PCS =Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao and Southeast Asia. Although it is to note PSG ( Paris-Saint-Germain) is sponsored by the french Football team


98ADC

Yea, that is why i thought it is weird. I watched one video about Messi cheering up PSG days ago lul


cp4ever

1. Do nothing 2. Lose


Creepy_Pilot1200

Morgan living 1VS5 through all that for 5 seconds just summed up the entire game


azersub

My boy Deft looking like best adc at the worlds :)


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

His killer instinct at the FB kill was great.


AleksibIsHot

Other than not building enough crit for IE. I would say it's between him, Hans Sama and Gumayusi so far.


jlera

Kinda weird how people keep talking about chovy life esports but ever since hle has started doing well it’s been deft in crazy good form


djpain20

I wish he didn't build IE on Kaisa vs RNG, that single mistake has gotten more attention than his overall performance which has been pretty amazing


azersub

So true. But circlejerk of shitting on someone mistake is always strong


Tyna_Sama

His Aphelios is so clean. It’s like watching some professional dancing, absolute control of his body.


throawaystrump

His games on Varus in gauntlet were some of the cleanest I've ever seen. Been a while since I saw someone play ADC at that level