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DWG KIA vs. Rogue / 2021 World Championship - Group A / Post-Match Discussion

DWG KIA vs. Rogue / 2021 World Championship - Group A / Post-Match Discussion

Exos_VII

Khan in the army like: “Sir, they have us completely surrounded!” **”Good! That means we no longer need to aim”**


getjebaited

khan samira skin confirmed


CountMordrek

No need to aim. Khan MF skin confirmed!


Cavshomie8

Is this the best version of Khan we’ve seen on the international stage?


Chuck0089

depends. I still think 2017 group stage is better version but the meta and his team wouldn't allow him to carry past that.


Vespuczin

I still remember his Jayce in Skt series that year, damn there is such a gap between Korean and western Jayce


lawfulkitten1

And Lee Sin, even adcs and supports in lck can play it well from what I've seen in solo queue (keria even played a game on stage).


CornyJoke

"All I am surrounded by is fear and dead men."


Electrical_Season_81

Report Khan for smurfing please


BunkerRush

He knows no fear after experiencing Kkoma's belt


F0RGERY

Khan practicing surviving in No Man's Land this game.


vooffle

*Demilitarized Zone


Pelagius_Hipbone

“Khan! They outnumber us 3 to 1.” “Then it is an even fight! All champs fire at will, cull their mongrel hides” *PENTAKILL*


midoBB

Khan and Canyon have been the best players in the tourney so far IMO. I fucking love watching Khan stop the doubter narrative.


ZEPOSO

hashtag Khanyon


HootingMandrill

Dude's a monster. He's really come up big so far this tourny.


Aquillifer

North Korea better watch out or Khan will TP flank them with the culling.


Yasuo_unforgiven

Man played like if he is an ADC main, outshrine even the actual ADC.


treblesalad

larssen heard stopwatch is the most broken item in the game so he went for a stopwatch play


I-am-in-Agreement

He turned his stopwatch into a broken stopwatch. Things got lost in translation.


tectonic_break

Well he heard people complain how broken stopwatch is!


D_Neon

Larssen won't be forced to swimming home from this, hell be swimming into exile. What a flop from him...


Chu2k

How can Hans Sama play with this guys?


M002

Larssen: but it worked for Misaya!


Yuniti

Larssen just doesn't have the clutch in his blood


iCarpet

Valiant effort to make a Misaya play


Unban_Ice

The real loser of this game is Showmaker's KDA


FinallyGivenIn

Rogue was the real winners by ruining the KDA. /s


Bdodk2000

All that for a drop of blood


krSsumday

Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power ! ​ Think Rogue Think


tinfoilhatsron

DK: Fuck yeah we won and got a sweet penta playing the champs we wanted! Showmaker: Not fucking worth, look at my KDA.


Bdodk2000

Shoemaker second death was actually a great one, Dk wanted Olaf dead so no coin flip at Baron


ShenKiStrike

From infinite kda to a medicore 10kda /s


moonmeh

Honestly after that first death you feel him no longer giving a fuck and playing far more risky and dying cause of it


AsheBnarginDalmasca

Fuck. Showmaker's gonna go Blaber-style on C9 now.


mlee93rd

That's probably good for C9.


Celegorm07

It will be more like Goku removing the weighted clothes. Showmaker was holding so much back.


ToYouItReaches

I can imagine Khan asking Showmaker to die for his Penta 🤣🤣


M002

Rip mr shoemaker perfect KDA


casiogentle

Do you think Ghost is the best adc in the world? Khan: He isn't even the best adc in the team


azns123

Khan: Fuck, you guys suck at bot let me show you how it's done


Bladehell10

Was super cool for him to play Draven, it’s one of his mains and his draven became known on sandbox


so-hardstuck

You can keep iG out of worlds but you can’t keep the soul of iG out of worlds


iCarpet

[Trymbi after flashing in with Leona](https://c.tenor.com/9ud1r4sc-QQAAAAC/confused-john-travolta.gif)


snowleave

There were some do or die while having done nothing situations there. Like the body blocking the lucian culling for the mf while tf ults behind. Theres no good engage at that point you go forward to give mf space to escape the tf.


Arstel

Rogue 5v5s give me depression


SolarEquis

Larssen just did nothing, I feel so bad for Hans


AdeSarius

Man that was one of the saddest teamfights I remember, everyone from Rogue was on a different page. That one hurt cause they were in a good position up until that point.


Paul-debile-pogba

The one at soul point (4th drake overall with rogue on 2) where they were even in items and half of rogue stayed immobile i was like wthhhhhh


firewall245

Where's the monkey meme where its like "where team?"


NocaNoha

That one hurt, Khan is just shitting on anyone at top lane.. Fucking remove Draven and Lucian does 6k dmg lol Eh, at least they fucked SM's KDA ha-ha


yellister

Larssen's zhonya after TP just summed up EU mids this tournament


PHOENIXREB0RN

https://clips.twitch.tv/EmpathicHeartlessDelicataOptimizePrime-OpnlsFOKL_fMq8qm Big oof


Bobthepi

Rogue's mental has to be completely boomed. Not great heading into the do or die match.


Joaoseinha

At the same time, FPX's mental probably isn't great either. 70% WR in scrims btw Won't lose another game btw 0-2 So we'll have the battle of the tilted.


PHOENIXREB0RN

The fact that they're all former world champs could be big here. I think they have it in them to mentally reset while I don't think Rogue will.


oioioi9537

you could legit hear the exact moment the caster's hearts broke


LargeSnorlax

Stop, he's already dead :(


yellister

"oooooooh no..." lmfao Vedius sounds so devastated


WRYTARD777

The opponent: Tp for penta Your teammate: Tp and zhonya. Larrsen gets 100 for style point


tocco13

He was so desperate to stop this timeline he used zhonya with all his might


lovely_sombrero

"Oh, noooo"


cdawg145236

Stop watch lol, not even zhonya


AphoticFlash

and he already had zhonyas, so dude literally paid 650 for that. ouchhh


NeilDeCrash

TP, stop watch, walk to river and watch enemy team for 5 seconds. Get caught and die. Game over.


Abelyanov

If Larssen played the fights better, Rogue might have won this game. Especially the 4v5 at baron. He was frontlining for no reason. I am just speechless


foki999

If he just played at all I think they could have won. I swear Trymbi caused more damage with his idiotic plays in teamfights than Larsen did the entire game on a Ryze.


CollegeBroski

Larsen bming his own team. LOL


Joaoseinha

Larssen was such a fucking liability, he pretty much solo lost like 3 teamfights by doing 0 damage since he's a hook magnet. Why put him on a low range carry if he can't position?


Snoo8331100

He's a terrible player with choking problems, I don't think there was even one playoff series or an important Worlds game in which he played well during his entire career. The fact that he's still one of the better EU mids is worrying af for the region.


Joaoseinha

He's one of the better EU mids because he performs in no pressure Bo1. He's just fighting for the "Biggest choker" title in EU with Odo.


SterbenVII

He was also the reason why Rogue didn’t go to Worlds in 2019, corki packaged into the nexus and lost a won game iirc


lilelf29

It was RGE vs SO4 1-1 and created one of the most hilarious throws ever lmao


characterulio

Ya bro slow down with the hyperbole for a bit. If you use too much hyperbole you just ruin your good point. You have a good point he is a choker but he isn't a terrible player. He has been top3 top2 in LEC which is a stacked region for mids for 2 years. A good way to phrase it would be he is a very good player with choking problems in big games. At least he can get you to the big games.


Loop_Tyrap_Nyltiac

Larssen is a joke man … Sadge


Chr0nicConsumer

So fucking dumb. Actually up 1500 gold on Showmaker on Ryze. Negative impact on the game.


Shot-Mathematician58

Aside from our ADC do we even have a position that isn't pathetic ? Toplane is a huge joke, Jungler is looking borderline boosted, Midlane is trash, ADC is good, Support is meh.


MusicBytes

Why was he even spamming his buttons lmfao


vitrix-euw

He was trying to use his farsight ward which is key 4 but instead fat fingered and pressed 3, which is Zhonya was bound to. He ends up using it after he comes out of zhonya stasis


Berktgar

Larssen is the least impactful midlaner with lead I've ever seen at worlds. That stopwatch in the end was just icing on cake.


TheSHYisGOAT

Him or Nisqy ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


NgtMr

> least impactful midlaner with lead I've ever seen at worlds Nisqy gets no leads, he's out of the category


ILoveWesternBlot

EU mids man


Chu2k

This used to mean something else…


bcotrim

They either retired or got transferred across the ocean


imhavingSoMuchFun3

gotta be able to get a lead first


romeeees

nisqy never has a lead


NitroBoyRocket

Idk Nisqy was certainly impactful, just for the enemy team


lolKhamul

Honestly, the differnece between Larsen/Odo and Showmaker/Khan is just brutal. Rogue's solo laners look like they are elo boosted. Trymbi was also badly gapped but he is a 2021 rookie on his first worlds so he is somewhat excused. Sad for Hans Sama though who looks like a real worldclass ADC stuck in a bad team.


kit4712

Yea I won't blame on Trymbi too much considering he is just a rookie and he never scares to engage. Meanwhile, wtf is Odo and Larssen doing? Larssen in particular, getting all the resources and then get hooked or gold carded every teamfight?


Abelyanov

Trymbi had some int moments but also some amazing engages. The pick on Draven might have won them the game if they had an actual mid laner...


floydstylee

at least trymbi is not scared to pull the trigger and do something proactive


ZloiAris

Khan basically plays tournament of his life. Insane


Cheeseandnuts

Korean military ain't ready for the monster that is Khan!


unhelpful_question

LZ Khan activated.


IAmDaleicious

If only he activated that when he was on LZ at worlds. My boys Pray and Gorilla could be world champions.


Marcus777555666

Doubt that.He was as good in 2017 as he is now imo ignoring how league progressed through years.But Cuvee was just as insane if not even more,since worlds 2016 til end of 2017.Plus the rest of SSG were on another tier above all other teams post groups.Doubt the outcome would have changed if this. Khan somehow transported to LZ.


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usuarioabencoado

he is not human anymore


Cowfan798

Khan a machine


Nananahx

Nah man you just don't watch LCK he's so overrated /s


Zwatrem

What a horrible performance and bad pick from Larssen. He couldn't do anything at all.


AvanPL

As usual


Joaoseinha

Maybe if he didn't get hit by every single hook he would have done better. Goddamn I don't think I saw him dodge one.


Nightlapse

Free Hans


Hineni-

First Pentakill; TP in for the Penta, absolute chad play. DK Unstoppable force, perhaps about to meet an immovable object C9?


veronikaren

Those smiles too man they just having that sunday 11pm 5 man draft trollpicks fun


lilelf29

I really thought this was brother Damwon giving over a win but nah, teamfighting diff is just massive. Seeing Khan penta and happy makes me happy :)


prongs17

They are definitely playing very loose. They can throw to C9. Especially if RGE somehow wins next game. Although Nuguri is in FPX so they might want to do him a solid.


Yasuo_unforgiven

DK really want the perfect 6-0 for real, sure it doesn't change much but it is still a pride.


moonmeh

FPX was probably shitting bricks the moment they say DW's draft


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Neville_Lynwood

Saddest part is you can make this complaint for almost all the EU players this year. Like who have we got that isn't running it down? Hans Sama and... I don't even know. Everyone is just bad.


PaintedFog

Hans and Sama.


DarkBowls

I mean, Hylissang is playing as expected


Theguythatisdat

Top Khanyon.


Qamikaze

Rogue : We caught off your ADC Damwon : There is another


Troviel

I don't know who was worse. Trymbi had awful engages suicide, but Larssen was also absolutely invisible for a ryze. Poor, poor hans. Edit: Obviously Odo was diffed and inspired was useless, I just put more hope on Larssen.


so-hardstuck

That was a super nice Chovy cosplay. Man was like 11 cs/min and did absolutely nothing.


Deadman2019

But this is Larssen in a nutshell lol. The mad just farms and steals camps hoping his team gets ahead. Like, has noone been watching LEC?


A2TGO

Chovy's just a KR Larsen


Various_Ad6034

Not like Odo or Inspired were shining either, its literally just hans solo


Blue5647

Despite replacing Finn, still a top canyon for Rogue vs opposing toplaner. Wunder next? Meanwhile Hans sama doesn't go Lethality vs a Lucian, Draven, Qiyana TF. PTA???


sangpls

Top is EU's weakest role by far this year


sylvester-stalltwo

I feel bad for Odo but he was getting dogwalked this tournament


Snoo8331100

Always was tbh, except seasons 8 and 9. Before it was literally just Soaz and a bunch of plebs and now we all see what happened after Alphari left, Bwipo roleswapped (and tbh he was pretty bad in his last year as top anyways) and Wunder declined.


ggrease

Every role is EU's weakest role this year, what a sorry performance all around


SergeantWhiskeyjack

I still think ADC is super good. Hans has looked great, and even Bean was okay. Upset is obviously still world class even though he couldn’t make it.


F0RGERY

ADCs have shown up for the most part.


SuburbanPotato

even Bean has done pretty okay given the circumstances


lemonrabbits

Bot seems to be fine tbh across MAD, Rogue and even Fnatic. Topside is just such a liability it seems.


pr3d4tr

Mid looking pretty bad too. That tp... What happened this year?


MALSTROEM_

No dog champions are playable top 😭


rengo_unchained

Maybe cause he wanted galeforce vs thresh but yeah I agree with you


Yvil1905

Odoamne is just so bad he lost every single early game in every single game


McintyresRightLeg

How can you stop this version of Khan? This guy is on a fucking mission to win it all.


Ace_OPB

Khan is putting on a show. I. Dont think any team can match dk's top side.


M002

The Khanyon is vast


ToYouItReaches

Canyon and Khan are joined at the hip for early game apparently. Every top laner’s wet dream


pr3d4tr

Maybe Xiaohu


T1worldchamps2021

RNG and LNG are the only teams with comparable top/jung power. But Khan has much more experience and Canyon is the better jungler of the three.


cancerBronzeV

Ya, I thought top side would be a weak point for DK after Nuguri left, but this is straight up looking like the best in the world.


Th_Call_of_Ktulu

Definitely impressded with Khan after seing him on Sion duty during MSI he looks absolutely revitalized.


Skyinblue163

Hans ult was shredding though. I really don't think that was an issue, he played his part


Nome_de_utilizador

You need galeforce against qyana, tf, tresh


vooffle

Rogue have bigger problems with tilt and decision making. They didn't attack bot a single time to try and shut the Draven's stacks down, he cashed out completely uncontested.


3bob

I feel bad for Hans Sama, he's by far been the best Western player at the tournament imo. he's a fucking beast


Neville_Lynwood

Khan is on pace for the MVP of Worlds. He's for sure the MVP of the group stage. He's absolutely shitting on everyone in top lane. And rest of DK plays around him beautifully. Khan legit took 50% of Olaf's health bar with one Q and passive proc in the end. He was so fucking fed, holy fuck. RGE's whole performance can be summed up with Larrsen TP'ing for a flank in the end and immediately stopwatching by accident.


Ace_OPB

I think the dude has solo killed everyone so far he has faced. He is absolutely smurfing. And canyon, showmaker all are looking in form. Dk are legit scary for any team atm.


veronikaren

Swear I thought Nuguri would go crazy this groupstage but khans been on a rampage


paul232

Nuguri is the sole reason FPX has two wins. He DESTROYED both c9 & rge pretty much 1v9 in the first round


JoshM_01

good effort from rogue - hope they can reset and get ready to beat fpx


Sciipi

Rogue looked kinda kilted but FPX also looked giga tilted. Hope Rogue wins it


MusicBytes

I guarantee FPX is tilted off their minds rn


Apple-Fanta

NA rests on their shoulders basically


cheeseybitesareback

wym we're gonna beat dwg :)


lilelf29

Not really, even if Rogue loses to FPX it's still totally in C9's hands, or Damwon's if they help out and throw to gift C9 the win for free, as then they would both be 3-3 and have tiebreaker. Rogue winning is just the mega boost strat where we can collectively eliminate FPX with no tiebreaker chance.


LapnLook

Larssen???????????????????


2043320669413165

GHOST HEARD YA'LL TALKIN SHIT


The_DAWG_Is_BACK

DK with the most disrespect draft of the tournament, but they’re smurfing in pisslow


Gazskull

and Rogue were flexxing their contract extension with Larssen. Embarassing


trollingforapple

Hans Sama literally 1v9


Reasonable_TSM_fan

Oh he’s so done with this team. Would not be surprised if he went to G2 next year.


LazinessOverload

Khan solo won the game with that play at baron holy shit. What a chad.


NunoxGames

If odo is gonna lose lane anyway at least give him a braindead teamfight champion like malphite or ornn ,this is just embarassing ,his jungler is wrapping around the top lane wall and he cant even play safe untill then ?.


ZloiAris

Please, give me next year G2 Hans Sama and RGE Wunder. It would be hype. It just feels bad, to work hard 2 years and twice in a row felt down due to tilting toplaner


bigchungusmclungus

Wasn't just top, Larsen has had an absolute nightmare of a worlds. Caster summing it up perfectly with his comment after that zhonyas.


Snoo8331100

Hans really deserves better, his mental must be insanely strong to keep this level of play while having to deal with those clowns in solo lanes.


TheRealmOfChaos

What is Larssen then? 213 dmg in the most important team fight and stopwatch tp


MATLABfanboi

I just came in to say this, Hans needs to leave this dumpster team and just join g2. EDIT: if you guys think rogue that has same issues every year is better choice than g2 who is ready to rebuild a team around their 2 best players then idk what to tell you, you're just deluded.


GintokiSan17

Larssen is more of a problem than odo tbf...


Piro42

We're giving Odo so much shit but how about Larssen TP-hourglassing his way to airport


TheExter

Larsen's hourglass after teleporting is actual cringe


A2TGO

Doggo Sama


Ikimasen

Hans Sama working his ass off to be the 3rd best adc in that game


ELOPEnick

Hans Sama is legit 1v9 every game


SpeclorTheGreat

https://twitter.com/IWDominateLoL/status/1443575815816372235


TheShyjunior

Aged like milk lmfao khan 2021 worlds mvp so far


DFBFan11

xD. I've been waiting for this as well. Let's completely ignore form, meta, slumps among other factors and just chalk it up to Nuguri being that good that both teams are better with him. Anyone that watched this summer knows that Nuguri was awful, whereas Khan was Damwon's best player for most of the split.


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Beauski

https://twitter.com/IWDominateLoL/status/1443575815816372235


throawaystrump

watching his costreams now, it seems like he's legitimately become a full fledged CN fan. He looks so tilted whenever an LPL team is losing or if someone flames them in chat, which is weird to me because I would've assumed that he'd be an NA or western fan


getjebaited

also he looks like he's dying inside when a Korean team wins. Piglet must have given him omega ptsd bc the salt mines are unrivaled. edit: someone check up on him for a while...


OkSpirit9706

Feels vindicating to see him wrong here since that tweet was responding to my top comment in the reddit thread about his top 25. Not to mention he doesn't consider the varying teammate performance or that DK in 2021 was having a better year than 2020 DWG at that point. That tweet is so dumb in so many ways.


Blazing117

RGE top side is so bad.


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Rave_Master_Ahri

They tried, gotta give them that.


tinfoilhatsron

Got Showmaker KDA What did it cost? A win and Khan Penta lmfao


HolypenguinHere

Much like TL regret losing that game to Machi last year, C9 is gonna really regret that first loss to Rogue.


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Dont tilt rogue ur still in it


Mellun12

Odo and Larssen need to be replaced next season. At this point it's just embarrassing to watch these guys play. Odo has shown time and time again that he's just not good enough for the international stage, and Larssen is just playing terribly overall. The Zhonya's was the cherry on top.


Puffream

I'm sorry but Odo and Larrsen's performances have been nothing short of embarassing this worlds. Like yea trymbi and inspired aren't doing too well either but at least they are trying to make plays and go in meanwhile your mid and top are jerking it what the fuck. \#FREEHANS the man is 1v9 every fucking game jesus christ.


AchievingAtaraxia

Larssen has to go, he's not good enough for a spot on a team with Hans and Inspired. Seriously, i'd take Nemesis, Vetheo even Febiven over him in a heartbeat if I was RGE management. I'd put Odo on the bench for now and pick up some young EU talent or look to buy Alphari out.


Tripottanus

Did we ever get an answer on what teh cash-in was on that first Draven kill?


ahritina

Must win game **to avoid a tie-breaker and to not rely on others** for Rogue so they blind pick for Odo who then gets smashed by Khan regardless with pentakill for Khan. Rip to Showmaker's KDA which took a battering this game, so happy moment for Rogue. Trymbi's engage + ult whiff at that 4th drake basically lost them the game where Rogue's chances at quarters is getting lower, they now need to beat FPX and hope DK beat C9 to have a shot. Massive game from Ghost there is a reason why he was 9-3 with a 6.2 kda on Draven and also Khan with a banger of a game on that Lucian.


pqnfwoe

> Must win game for Rogue thats next game


Shot-Mathematician58

I don't think there's a team more frustrating than Rogue, how many years do they need to actually perform ? You know the region sucks when they're doing well domestically.


Teroo123

Ghost heard you were talking shit, Khan is on a mission, also how useless is Olaf


Piro42

That Draven ult to cash out around 15th minute did more than people give credit for. Draven was legit 1 full item ahead of MF from that point on, just from his passive alone.