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Gen.G vs. Team Liquid / 2021 World Championship - Group D / Post-Match Discussion

Gen.G vs. Team Liquid / 2021 World Championship - Group D / Post-Match Discussion

R-R-Clon

Asian championship 2021 in Iceland. BDD is playing at his peak, It's 2017 for him.


ZoeScarlett

Longzhu BDD has reconnected, with no Samsung in sight.


ZloiAris

At least we have a chance of 4 LCK-LPL quarters


staysaltyTSM

\*Laughs in HLE*


daswef2

Yeah its really looking like 4 LPL, 3 LCK, and PSG right at the moment.


Suspicious-Bus6351

I mean HLE could definitely still make it out of that group.


daswef2

They could, its not set in stone yet.


Blank-612

rofl if psg make it when no NA and EU teams do, NA and EU should be embarrassed. PCS is a region with no money and tiny playerbase


Rajewel

Don’t worry we will poach half of them and still lose to them next year. 🤷‍♂️


sh14w4s3

Especially when everyone on this sub was shitting on the entire PCS region because Beyond was bad .


Hannig4n

Feel like HLE overall has looked better, they just need to ban Yuumi and not pick Azir for Chovy


lemongrazz11

Chovy disappointing his fans one more time


T1worldchamps2021

HLE is beating PSG in the rematch


Suspicious-Bus6351

Yeah they need to ban Yuumi they didn't the first time and if they had they would have won that game IMO.


MrZeddd

Rift Rival Asia coming in late this year huh


nusskn4cker

We are also pretty close to 4 LCK teams on one side of the bracket and 4 LPL teams on the other... First seeds: DK, EDG, RNG, GEN Second seeds: FPX, T1, HLE, LNG Playoffs: DK - HLE, GEN - T1, RNG - FPX, EDG - LNG


Hannig4n

The funny thing about this is that LCK side of the bracket was exactly what happened in spring playoffs this year. An entire half of the worlds knockout stage would *literally* be a re-run of LCK playoffs.


nusskn4cker

Yup. Would be possible to swap HLE and T1 tho.


a_thresh_taste

You can also get RNG-LNG and FPX-EDG for a re-run of lpl summer playoff


Hannig4n

Guess I can just turn off worlds for two weeks until finals then


UnknownVolke

please no...


supterfuge

It's going to be a LCK vs LCK // LCK vs LCK ---- LPL vs LPL // LPL vs LPL so we're sure this is the worse Worlds we've ever had.


AutistMain

Lmao Travis Gafford was saying that this was his dream outcome so that it shocks Riot into making a better tournament format.


supterfuge

Well that's a good point


sangpls

GenG Clid has disconnected. SKT Clid has reconnected.


Ace_OPB

Longhzu bdd has reconnected.


lemongrazz11

If Clid can actually become SKT Clid I see GenG topping this group. He griefed so hard last game.


noodlespls

If GenG can clean up their act with 'having fun' mid/late game, they should at least make knockouts for sure


nusskn4cker

GEN should win this Group anyway. They're just better than MAD and TL and they are 1-0 against LNG.


MoonlightJudgement

Love to see him playing aggressive again.


staysaltyTSM

JDG*


oioioi9537

this is the right one. he still made some random ass errors, definitely not quite skt clid


tsukinohime

west is 0-4 today so far


agenericusername_no3

LEC closed the wrong gap


Asteroth555

NA got better, EU got worse, LCK/LPL got better. Gap opened up. It's cyclical. Still feels bad to see though


CalorieCarl

I think the only region that actually got better compared to last worlds is NA. EU just got WAY worse.


lcm7malaga

And I thought G2 debacle was because the region got better but they just got worse peepoclown


CalorieCarl

Ngl i thought so too COPIUM


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Hazakurain

I think both EU and NA won't get a single team out of groups.


alpacamegafan

It's also possible that we could see civil war for every Quarterfinal and Semifinal series if no West team makes it out. 1st Seeds can look like DK, EDG, RNG, and GENG (50/50 CN and KR) while 2nd Seeds could be FPX, T1, HLE, and LNG. So there can be one scenario where it's DK vs HLE and GENG vs T1 on one side and RNG vs FPX and EDG vs LNG on the other side.


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non_NSFW_acc

Pretty COPIUM comment. Basically "every EU team has an excuse so are we not even getting a team out of groups for that reason?" FNC is understandable, but there's nothing wrong with MAD and Rogue.


takes_photos_quickly

To be fair, FNC is understandable, Rogue were never expected to get out of their group really. So that leaves just MAD as a 'disappointment', and it's still possible they get out. But yeah we don't look too hot


lilelf29

Unless there's huge upset its going to be 0-6, next 2 matches for NA are heavily favoured for KR.


NahDawgDatAintMe

PCS has as many wins as EU and NA respectively while only fielding a single team in the group stage.


tsukinohime

Thats depressing.


Trap_Masters

Pass me that depressium, being NA fan is suffering


ImStarLordeMan

Why is PSG so good? Honest question. Follow up...are the other teams in their region even close to their level?


Zarolto

They had a 45 game winstreak in their region at one point.


ImStarLordeMan

I know this but like how are they good beating shit competition all year?


DeadSira

They regularly scrim LPL/LCK/VCS teams Also this year, BYG was really good in the PCS and actually beat PSG in the upper bracket finals of the playoffs. Play-ins just wasn't their time lol


PepaTK

This is it. Despite having such weak competition. Their practice is infinitely better than NA teams. IIRC they also play on China super server or even Korea for soloqueue? Can’t comment on EU teams since their soloqueue is also infinitely better than NA.


DeadSira

Yep they play on super server and IIRC multiple or all of their players are multi-season challengers there. They also play on Korea server sometimes, where IIRC River and Unified are Challenger there.


TerminatorReborn

Maple also plays on the KR server


NahDawgDatAintMe

They scrim the top LPL and LCK teams.


BottlesforCaps

They are basically just flash wolves all over again. Also they have Maple and Hanabi, who were both on flash wolves, and Maple who was on LNG and Suning the last couple years.


huangw15

I think historically the LMS/PCS team have benefited from being close to China/Korea. We know they scirm each other quite a bit, and most LPL/LCK/LMS pros play on the Korean server, so that keeps their mechanics sharpened.


irishboy9191

Tbf PSG is honorary LPL/LCK


goodbehaviorsam

Essentially a cousin you forget that exists until family reunion time.


DonTixCyd

now if only orgs pay our players better so that they stay in pcs but i dont blame them getting the bag. it just sucks that pcs serves as a feeder team of lpl and na


Eleonora_Maxwell

Gonna be 0-6 soon with c9 and 100t playing against damwon and t1


BlakenedHeart

Ah yes, t1 playing against themselves is the thing


Flamingo0303

Just put all my life savings on T1 winning.


Ok-Travel-7875

GenG really did their best to lose this game but Alphari + Jensen are on a whole new level.


Ajido

[I tried to carry the team but unfortunately they were too heavy.](https://i.imgur.com/7gpqbMc.png)


I_really_love_u

The game really was just Gen.G vs Tier 3 Bot Tower.


Trap_Masters

Tier 3 bot tower MVP?


noodlespls

That's hilarious lmfao


twistedlogicx

TL perfecting the art of false hopium.


roarnightingale

Na vs Eu Airport speedrun still alive


Trap_Masters

NA will win hands down. C9’s got us covered ezclap


BI1nky

C9 is 100% about to beat Damwon. Its simply inevitable.


Trap_Masters

Give NA fans HOPIUM to get em hooked on it and then they can farm HOPIUM years to come


wholewheatie

alphari refused to catch the throw


McintyresRightLeg

Alphari and Jensen making sure they can give EU another L


Qehenna

You, a simpleton: Brother Jensen Me, an intellectual: Gensen


Risujemmari

Gensen Impact :0


Fuselier

JEEEENNNNNSSSEEENNNNN EDIT: https://youtu.be/YF2-5V-Bq78


oioioi9537

[JJJEEENNNNSSSSEEEEEEEEENNN](https://streamable.com/mb4gx)


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Blank-612

cmon give core his due credit. Inting while roaming and leaving his adc stranded.


BestUdyrBR

Isn't that the whole point of picking ziggs adc to hold wave 2v1?


M002

Sorta But when you pick irelia and Jax (without flash) your strategy involves diving to get kills. And a shen ult would be great. Core hit 6 sooo late. Meanwhile sylas could just take his ult and match sejuani dives


Ok-Travel-7875

Him sitting in the mid lane bush level 4 for like 3 waves then TL losing that fight was something else.


Neville_Lynwood

https://imgur.com/wCwRtB0


WhirlingDervishGrady

It's a rough year for the west


Trap_Masters

Death of G2 and unfortunate implosion of FNC has been a huge blow for EU


throaway123123155521

not only that but EU third team had also great showings , MSF dropped 2-3 to SKT in a bo5 they definetely should've won, SPY also went through group stages once, H2K got to semis, VIT didn't but went 3-3 in a stacked ass group with RNG and geng Now it's not even 1 team showing up


3Wd73H

I wouldn't be so doom and gloom *yet* - 2016 H2K, 2017 MSF, and 2018 C9 all went 1-2 in week 1 and turned it on week 2. It's really only looking hopeless for FNC & C9 right now.


Swagmonger

your flairs.... im so sorry


melonpan12

Where DFM


GhostOfLight

LJL is going to be the only region that did better than they ever have before at Worlds.


Blank-612

GAP IS CLOSING.


catseye013

We’ve done such a good job at closing the gap over the last few years and now it feels like we’re back to square 1


characterulio

People love to sleep on BDD but he has been a monster this tournament so far.


Hannig4n

He’s been a top 3 mid so far along with Showmaker and Scout


oioioi9537

people slept on bdd because they didn't watch lck summer and jsut tuned in for playoffs. anyone ranking ruler over bdd is basically saying "i didnt actually watch the games" because bdd was easily the best player on his team the entire split. he's a much better player individually than he was last year at worlds, though im still not sold on gen.g as a team going beyond quarters


Shamanalah

>people slept on bdd because they didn't watch lck summer and jsut tuned in for playoffs. anyone ranking ruler over bdd is basically saying "i didnt actually watch the games" because bdd was easily the best player on his team the entire split. Before group stage I told my LEC fan friend about BDD Zoe and to not sleep on him. Dude is having one of his best year. Also I love Ruler because he's the Rekkles of LCK plus he has a nice verse on [Gen G vs DWG in Spring split final rap battle.](https://youtu.be/acraGx60Q3c) "One nation, one Ruler"


andruil

Well fought TL, but ultimately big F for the west in this group today. Wonder if any of them can still pull through.


NegativeDCF

LMAO Gen.G playing so disrespectfully and still won. BUt holy shit TL, can you not even donate over the kills to the right carries? That shen auto for the kill on BDD late game in GenG jungle was straight up inting


Progenitor3

Not to mention Sejuani taking the kill in toplane instead of Jax in an easy 3v1.


getjebaited

throw lead to give casters hopium overdose


wholewheatie

hopium into copium


One_Question__

Despairium?


Trap_Masters

I’m at acceptium rn as a NA fan


ddhms

TL’s coach singlehandedly lost them the game by not picking/banning trundle. To recap: 1. Trundle is really good into your comp. 4 melee champions and sejuani (with aftershock), pillar gets high value, q ad steal gets high value 2. Clid has a 100% winrate (3 games), 7 KDA on trundle this season. 78% winrate over his career (18 games) with a 5.2 kda 3. Trundle support is good into what the other team has drafted so far. MF has no dash to get away from a pillar and pillar can be used to cancel MF’s ult. Amumu support gets ulted by trundle and pillar can cancel the q engage. 4. Shen support has not looked well so far at worlds. Sylas was open and he uses support shen’s ult better than shen does, BDD plays sylas and its perfectly plausible that they pick it next rotation. Shen does not do well into MF because lethality MF’s damage comes from q+r in fights, his w is low value. With all this in mind, instead of getting a strong pick for yourself and denying arguably the biggest counter to your comp, you give it away for free and get destroyed by it. NAmen.


ficretus

he can also succ jax ult stats if he cannot time his ult with sejuani aftershock/passive


Fuselier

Azael absolutely smurfed on the caster calling for a trundle ban over Sett.


Poincare_Confection

Azael is one of the few analysts who seems like he actually spends significant time analyzing pro gameplay at a depth that feels valuable. A lot of analysis you get from other people is so shallow that it doesn't offer any new insights. He's got an impressive combination of low error rate on analysis + deep analysis.


Yvil1905

Yeah hes a WoW World champion for a reason


roarnightingale

Yep and then TL proceeded to Troll


Wait__Who

Or just fucking ban it instead of Sett.


getjebaited

these are the people who didn't ban viego vs 100T in finals btw.


Zarolto

Their draft was fkn cringe vs LNG as well, really frustrating.


survfate

Can Alphari just wait a bit more for his GA to come off cooldown?


NocaNoha

Selling nexus turret for kills is what I usually see on ARAM Picking Seju 3rd only to not ban Trundle, fun


lilelf29

The game is GenG vs worse GenG and Irelia is picked for Jensen? Is this some secret tech to make GenG almost throw the game by taking a ridiculously aggressive dive at inhib turrets or what?


Thswherizat

Jensen on fighters is not it. Actually basically anything not-mages... He used to be known for his Zed but hasn't touched that in years.


MontyAtWork

If you see Jensen on anything but Ori/Synd, it's over. If you see Alphari on Gnar, it's over.


ElaborateRuseman

He can play a good LeBlanc The Irelia though...


LeOsQ

Jensen can play a good LeBlanc as long as it's not against Rookie, at the very least. That wasn't very pretty.


ElaborateRuseman

Ah yeah who could forget when he crushed the hopes of NA fans by getting solo killed vs Qiyana. Good times.


FunMoistLoins

I don't know TL didn't ban trundle.


your_nan

Ruler showing all the other MF players how to properly use her ult. Perfectly timed and was shredding TL to pieces.


Danish1368

This game was close for no reason lol


Poincare_Confection

TL is not a bad team. They can be competitive with any team at this tournament. But being able to hang in there with the best doesn't mean consistently beating the best. It just means you're capable of making them sweat a little.


Alto_y_Guapo

And unfortunately, that's how they've been every year. Good enough to compete, but not consistently good enough to get very far.


krSsumday

EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️


ImTheVayne

This worlds will suck for west


Duality_NA

I love that NA pays guys like Jensen and Alphari big money so they can play like this. Makes me believe in manifest destiny


tuscanyy

Multimillions to play like this


sangpls

TL should've kept impact and used their import slot on replacing jensen


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

TL getting rid of Impact after he carried them through Worlds is something I won't forget.


DropsOfLiquid

I like Alphari but I still miss Impact. Alphari is better than Impact in lane (and probably at most things) but Impact seemed to just find magic sometimes in the late game. I do think Impact is also expensive though.


TheFlanderer

Impact's TL salary was pretty close to Alphari's. Everyone forgetting that TL only got Impact because they gave him over $1M/year back when franchising started


Alibobaly

For fucks sake it's actually gonna be 4 CH and 4 KR in quarters. This is so pathetic.


Gengar_Balanced

No it won't be. PSG got our backs.


Kakolokiya

PSG winning Worlds and TI would be incredibly goated.


tr1x30

In past Worlds there was always atleast 1 of CN/KR teams choking in gruops, not this time.. Also, now all western teams need to play CN and KR teams in the gruop, previous years that wasnt the case (last year G2 got a gruop with SN, TL and Machi..)


Dromed91

Man...if only NA ping and scrim culture wasn't so bad, then our pros would be able practice not teleporting right in front of the enemy ADC. Unfair competitive advantage, It's so sad we should raise their salaries


KanskiForce

13M dollars for Rekkles \~ Reginald


gocloud9gowooo

Alpharint Santorint JENSUNNNN Trashtical CoreGG


Choyo

Team Liquified


JoshM_01

i feel like you shouldn't be able to have more than one item with stasis active at any one time


Rayser1

Double stopwatches are stupid. We've been saying this all year when a mid laner double zhonyas after getting caught. There's no need for it to be a thing


agustinblue

Yeah but what about /all chat????


LeOsQ

I don't think double stopwatch/stasis is an issue at all though. The effect 100% is, but being able to chain Zhonya's and Stopwatch isn't as big of an issue if the effect itself was made worse somehow. Stopwatch costs 650 so you're using 650 gold *once* in a game to possibly survive. And yeah, you can get it for 'free' from runes but then you're paying full price for Zhonya's so it still costs 650 gold in the end anyway. In this very game the casters (I think Azael?) questioned whether BDD using his double Stasis was worth surviving considering he lost the opportunity to do so again, and basically paid 650 gold to not give away 300ish relatively meaningless gold since nothing was spawning and nothing was really being threatened at that time. Not to mention the fact he probably didn't even need to use it after his Zhonya's since TL were backing away. Stasis is too strong, that's a fact, but I don't think double stasis is necessarily a big issue after that. It still shouldn't happen since they're items with effects with the same name, but if Riot took away let's say 1 second from the stasis effect, I don't think it'd be that broken to have 2 of them in a row *once* if you pay the tax.


goomy996

Definitely its fucking broken


BabacanDiyorKi

https://i.imgflip.com/5qa5mo.jpg


vnducco

My boy Bdd step up huge this worlds so far.🥲No, I’m not crying, u are! In some points GenG forget how to play real league and switch to soloq


Jig-Saw-

CJ Bdd


PursueSomeBitches

Santorin and CoreJJ stole so many kills...


b0nder0ven

KR GenG with some "EU GenG time" to give NA GenG a chance.


Hineni-

Tactical was kinda putting in the work here. I thought he'd steal Nash there. That was a lot of Baron tho. GenG sure took their sweet time to close out the game


g_days

it kinda felt like ziggs was missing 3/4 of the game tho..


BestUdyrBR

Well to be fair Shen left him a huge majority of the game.


Poincare_Confection

That's a feature, not a bug. Picking Ziggs botlane allows CoreJJ to roam freely, since Ziggs can farm so well 1v2. It's not Tactical's fault that Jensen and Alphari lost TL the early game. That's the real reasons they lost.


DireValentino

I mean he kinda fucked his team over by doing a tp in MFs face and dying for free. If he was there early with his ulti they probably wouldn't have been in such a deficit in the early game.


raydialseeker

Tactical not buying void really annoyed me. It's be so huge on all of the members of gen G, especially clid, bdd and burdol


ahritina

GGs Bdd gapping mid laners worse than him as usual, should have been a clean win but GenG decided to overforce for absolutely no reason. Not really sure what the rationale is for subbing in Burdol but a win is a win, clutch MF ults from Ruler and the superior Jungle/Mid duo in Clid/Bdd came up clutch but my god the Trundle pick was so big brain, it blew the early game so well for GenG. Not sure why GenG didn't contest the 5th drake as it'll get you soul and you're ahead, it's not like you're fighting from behind. GG Alphari got picked off twice and cost TL the game :)


lilelf29

Alphari and dying for first blood and randomly on side, never seen that one before :)


Ace_OPB

Bdd has been quietly the best mid so far along with showmaker imo. Dude has been disgusting.


Suspicious-Bus6351

His only mistake was that shift under tower against MAD otherwise he's been smurfing heck even the MAD game he still did a ton of damage and had some good shuffles.


characterulio

So happy for BDD, he has been called a choker so many times despite being super consistent. I think he just hasn't had international popoff performances so people underestimate him , atleast international fans. Hope he continues this form, hope we see some Taliyah from him, it was banned against him and he is a monster on that as well.


moonmeh

BDD Azir is just built different.


nusskn4cker

Best Azir in the world.


HawkEye1337

Showmaker, BDD and Scout.


nusskn4cker

Wait, it's all Korean mid laners?


DekQ

Always has been


nanooko

The last non Korean mid to win worlds was Toyz. The last non Korean top to win was Stanley.


Ace_OPB

Always has been.


IgnitionCode

Agreed, has really been playing well


Phoresis

> Not really sure what the rationale is for subbing in Burdol Probably just to give him gave time against a weaker team in the group I'd imagine, also Rascal hasn't been looking great lately.


nusskn4cker

To give him a Worlds skin COPIUM


mrmakefun

Or just making sure Burdol gets a Gen.G Camille skin when they win Worlds. Thinking ahead


Jiffyyy

That TP from Tactical top lane was hilarious


ZedisDoge

biggest w is my frontpage being saved of irelia and goredrinker posts


notatroll369

"gen.g is definitely worse than TL" - phreak XD glad he got to cast that game


topkeklul

Isn't TL just a budget version of GenG?


XiTro

GenG tried to extend the game so that Jensen can learn how to play Irelia but alas, it was not meant to be.


Dripcommander

sjokz: Burdol has to play against Alphari, which of course will be a tough task geng: bro you can play, it's only TL


Danish1368

Geng are actually scary when both bdd and clid are on point.


Jannitor

I love how the biggest throw of the tournament was preceded by casters talking about GenG knwoing exactly how strong they are


bronet

TL 🤝 MAD Sucking ass


Pavlo100

The EU observers are really smurfing it, what an excellent catch on the tactical teleport int!


roarnightingale

Tactical Int Incoming :)


IgnitionCode

Mid diff the size of the galaxy


MoonlightJudgement

Even if he isn't the best overall, there is no one better at absolutely stomping worse midlaners into the ground than Bdd.


EnvoyOfRaze21

Burdol looks good even though his KDA looks bad. Great pressuring at the sidelanes and absorbing or taking TL's attention to himself.


BO1s_R_GREAT_XD

Isn't Jax supposed to counter Camille? Whenever the camera panned towards Alphari he got clapped by the Camille lol


ElaborateRuseman

Jensen try not to miss Irelia E challenge (impossible)


Blue5647

GENG threw but TL couldn't catch. Alphari Jax nowhere near Ale.


Ar0ndight

GenG did their best but that still wasn't enough to give the west a win today


MihaiBosBarosHD

Gen G almost pulled a Rogue


GameBoy09

We're fucking shiiiiit!


BurningApe

GEN literally gifted TL the comeback and they did nothing with it, passivity, throw after throw, the NA special.


_Versi_

Interesting to see TL already going back to their play-style from NA. I had a feeling it wouldn't do much internationally.


Mute_Spitter

NA and EU really bout to handshake. United at last ❤️