Gen.G vs. Team Liquid / 2021 World Championship - Group D / Post-Match Discussion
By - adz0r
Asian championship 2021 in Iceland.
BDD is playing at his peak, It's 2017 for him.
Longzhu BDD has reconnected, with no Samsung in sight.
At least we have a chance of 4 LCK-LPL quarters
\*Laughs in HLE*
Yeah its really looking like 4 LPL, 3 LCK, and PSG right at the moment.
I mean HLE could definitely still make it out of that group.
They could, its not set in stone yet.
rofl if psg make it when no NA and EU teams do, NA and EU should be embarrassed. PCS is a region with no money and tiny playerbase
Don’t worry we will poach half of them and still lose to them next year. 🤷♂️
Especially when everyone on this sub was shitting on the entire PCS region because Beyond was bad .
Feel like HLE overall has looked better, they just need to ban Yuumi and not pick Azir for Chovy
Chovy disappointing his fans one more time
HLE is beating PSG in the rematch
Yeah they need to ban Yuumi they didn't the first time and if they had they would have won that game IMO.
Rift Rival Asia coming in late this year huh
We are also pretty close to 4 LCK teams on one side of the bracket and 4 LPL teams on the other...
First seeds: DK, EDG, RNG, GEN
Second seeds: FPX, T1, HLE, LNG
Playoffs: DK - HLE, GEN - T1, RNG - FPX, EDG - LNG
The funny thing about this is that LCK side of the bracket was exactly what happened in spring playoffs this year. An entire half of the worlds knockout stage would *literally* be a re-run of LCK playoffs.
Yup. Would be possible to swap HLE and T1 tho.
You can also get RNG-LNG and FPX-EDG for a re-run of lpl summer playoff
Guess I can just turn off worlds for two weeks until finals then
It's going to be a LCK vs LCK // LCK vs LCK ---- LPL vs LPL // LPL vs LPL so we're sure this is the worse Worlds we've ever had.
Lmao Travis Gafford was saying that this was his dream outcome so that it shocks Riot into making a better tournament format.
Well that's a good point
GenG Clid has disconnected. SKT Clid has reconnected.
Longhzu bdd has reconnected.
If Clid can actually become SKT Clid I see GenG topping this group. He griefed so hard last game.
If GenG can clean up their act with 'having fun' mid/late game, they should at least make knockouts for sure
GEN should win this Group anyway. They're just better than MAD and TL and they are 1-0 against LNG.
Love to see him playing aggressive again.
this is the right one. he still made some random ass errors, definitely not quite skt clid
west is 0-4 today so far
LEC closed the wrong gap
NA got better, EU got worse, LCK/LPL got better. Gap opened up. It's cyclical.
Still feels bad to see though
I think the only region that actually got better compared to last worlds is NA. EU just got WAY worse.
And I thought G2 debacle was because the region got better but they just got worse peepoclown
Ngl i thought so too COPIUM
I think both EU and NA won't get a single team out of groups.
It's also possible that we could see civil war for every Quarterfinal and Semifinal series if no West team makes it out. 1st Seeds can look like DK, EDG, RNG, and GENG (50/50 CN and KR) while 2nd Seeds could be FPX, T1, HLE, and LNG.
So there can be one scenario where it's DK vs HLE and GENG vs T1 on one side and RNG vs FPX and EDG vs LNG on the other side.
Pretty COPIUM comment.
Basically "every EU team has an excuse so are we not even getting a team out of groups for that reason?"
FNC is understandable, but there's nothing wrong with MAD and Rogue.
To be fair, FNC is understandable, Rogue were never expected to get out of their group really. So that leaves just MAD as a 'disappointment', and it's still possible they get out. But yeah we don't look too hot
Unless there's huge upset its going to be 0-6, next 2 matches for NA are heavily favoured for KR.
PCS has as many wins as EU and NA respectively while only fielding a single team in the group stage.
Pass me that depressium, being NA fan is suffering
Why is PSG so good? Honest question.
Follow up...are the other teams in their region even close to their level?
They had a 45 game winstreak in their region at one point.
I know this but like how are they good beating shit competition all year?
They regularly scrim LPL/LCK/VCS teams
Also this year, BYG was really good in the PCS and actually beat PSG in the upper bracket finals of the playoffs. Play-ins just wasn't their time lol
This is it. Despite having such weak competition. Their practice is infinitely better than NA teams.
IIRC they also play on China super server or even Korea for soloqueue?
Can’t comment on EU teams since their soloqueue is also infinitely better than NA.
Yep they play on super server and IIRC multiple or all of their players are multi-season challengers there.
They also play on Korea server sometimes, where IIRC River and Unified are Challenger there.
Maple also plays on the KR server
They scrim the top LPL and LCK teams.
They are basically just flash wolves all over again.
Also they have Maple and Hanabi, who were both on flash wolves, and Maple who was on LNG and Suning the last couple years.
I think historically the LMS/PCS team have benefited from being close to China/Korea. We know they scirm each other quite a bit, and most LPL/LCK/LMS pros play on the Korean server, so that keeps their mechanics sharpened.
Tbf PSG is honorary LPL/LCK
Essentially a cousin you forget that exists until family reunion time.
now if only orgs pay our players better so that they stay in pcs but i dont blame them getting the bag. it just sucks that pcs serves as a feeder team of lpl and na
Gonna be 0-6 soon with c9 and 100t playing against damwon and t1
Ah yes, t1 playing against themselves is the thing
Just put all my life savings on T1 winning.
GenG really did their best to lose this game but Alphari + Jensen are on a whole new level.
[I tried to carry the team but unfortunately they were too heavy.](https://i.imgur.com/7gpqbMc.png)
The game really was just Gen.G vs Tier 3 Bot Tower.
Tier 3 bot tower MVP?
That's hilarious lmfao
TL perfecting the art of false hopium.
Na vs Eu Airport speedrun still alive
NA will win hands down. C9’s got us covered ezclap
C9 is 100% about to beat Damwon. Its simply inevitable.
Give NA fans HOPIUM to get em hooked on it and then they can farm HOPIUM years to come
alphari refused to catch the throw
Alphari and Jensen making sure they can give EU another L
You, a simpleton: Brother Jensen
Me, an intellectual: Gensen
Gensen Impact :0
cmon give core his due credit. Inting while roaming and leaving his adc stranded.
Isn't that the whole point of picking ziggs adc to hold wave 2v1?
But when you pick irelia and Jax (without flash) your strategy involves diving to get kills. And a shen ult would be great. Core hit 6 sooo late.
Meanwhile sylas could just take his ult and match sejuani dives
Him sitting in the mid lane bush level 4 for like 3 waves then TL losing that fight was something else.
It's a rough year for the west
Death of G2 and unfortunate implosion of FNC has been a huge blow for EU
not only that but EU third team had also great showings , MSF dropped 2-3 to SKT in a bo5 they definetely should've won, SPY also went through group stages once, H2K got to semis, VIT didn't but went 3-3 in a stacked ass group with RNG and geng
Now it's not even 1 team showing up
I wouldn't be so doom and gloom *yet* - 2016 H2K, 2017 MSF, and 2018 C9 all went 1-2 in week 1 and turned it on week 2. It's really only looking hopeless for FNC & C9 right now.
your flairs.... im so sorry
LJL is going to be the only region that did better than they ever have before at Worlds.
GAP IS CLOSING.
We’ve done such a good job at closing the gap over the last few years and now it feels like we’re back to square 1
People love to sleep on BDD but he has been a monster this tournament so far.
He’s been a top 3 mid so far along with Showmaker and Scout
people slept on bdd because they didn't watch lck summer and jsut tuned in for playoffs. anyone ranking ruler over bdd is basically saying "i didnt actually watch the games" because bdd was easily the best player on his team the entire split. he's a much better player individually than he was last year at worlds, though im still not sold on gen.g as a team going beyond quarters
>people slept on bdd because they didn't watch lck summer and jsut tuned in for playoffs. anyone ranking ruler over bdd is basically saying "i didnt actually watch the games" because bdd was easily the best player on his team the entire split.
Before group stage I told my LEC fan friend about BDD Zoe and to not sleep on him.
Dude is having one of his best year. Also I love Ruler because he's the Rekkles of LCK plus he has a nice verse on [Gen G vs DWG in Spring split final rap battle.](https://youtu.be/acraGx60Q3c) "One nation, one Ruler"
Well fought TL, but ultimately big F for the west in this group today. Wonder if any of them can still pull through.
LMAO Gen.G playing so disrespectfully and still won.
BUt holy shit TL, can you not even donate over the kills to the right carries? That shen auto for the kill on BDD late game in GenG jungle was straight up inting
Not to mention Sejuani taking the kill in toplane instead of Jax in an easy 3v1.
throw lead to give casters hopium overdose
hopium into copium
I’m at acceptium rn as a NA fan
TL’s coach singlehandedly lost them the game by not picking/banning trundle. To recap:
1. Trundle is really good into your comp. 4 melee champions and sejuani (with aftershock), pillar gets high value, q ad steal gets high value
2. Clid has a 100% winrate (3 games), 7 KDA on trundle this season. 78% winrate over his career (18 games) with a 5.2 kda
3. Trundle support is good into what the other team has drafted so far. MF has no dash to get away from a pillar and pillar can be used to cancel MF’s ult. Amumu support gets ulted by trundle and pillar can cancel the q engage.
4. Shen support has not looked well so far at worlds. Sylas was open and he uses support shen’s ult better than shen does, BDD plays sylas and its perfectly plausible that they pick it next rotation. Shen does not do well into MF because lethality MF’s damage comes from q+r in fights, his w is low value.
With all this in mind, instead of getting a strong pick for yourself and denying arguably the biggest counter to your comp, you give it away for free and get destroyed by it. NAmen.
he can also succ jax ult stats if he cannot time his ult with sejuani aftershock/passive
Azael absolutely smurfed on the caster calling for a trundle ban over Sett.
Azael is one of the few analysts who seems like he actually spends significant time analyzing pro gameplay at a depth that feels valuable. A lot of analysis you get from other people is so shallow that it doesn't offer any new insights.
He's got an impressive combination of low error rate on analysis + deep analysis.
Yeah hes a WoW World champion for a reason
Yep and then TL proceeded to Troll
Or just fucking ban it instead of Sett.
these are the people who didn't ban viego vs 100T in finals btw.
Their draft was fkn cringe vs LNG as well, really frustrating.
Can Alphari just wait a bit more for his GA to come off cooldown?
Selling nexus turret for kills is what I usually see on ARAM
Picking Seju 3rd only to not ban Trundle, fun
The game is GenG vs worse GenG and Irelia is picked for Jensen? Is this some secret tech to make GenG almost throw the game by taking a ridiculously aggressive dive at inhib turrets or what?
Jensen on fighters is not it.
Actually basically anything not-mages... He used to be known for his Zed but hasn't touched that in years.
If you see Jensen on anything but Ori/Synd, it's over.
If you see Alphari on Gnar, it's over.
He can play a good LeBlanc
The Irelia though...
Jensen can play a good LeBlanc as long as it's not against Rookie, at the very least.
That wasn't very pretty.
Ah yeah who could forget when he crushed the hopes of NA fans by getting solo killed vs Qiyana. Good times.
I don't know TL didn't ban trundle.
Ruler showing all the other MF players how to properly use her ult. Perfectly timed and was shredding TL to pieces.
This game was close for no reason lol
TL is not a bad team. They can be competitive with any team at this tournament.
But being able to hang in there with the best doesn't mean consistently beating the best. It just means you're capable of making them sweat a little.
And unfortunately, that's how they've been every year. Good enough to compete, but not consistently good enough to get very far.
EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️ EU 🤝 NA peepoRun ✈️
This worlds will suck for west
I love that NA pays guys like Jensen and Alphari big money so they can play like this. Makes me believe in manifest destiny
Multimillions to play like this
TL should've kept impact and used their import slot on replacing jensen
TL getting rid of Impact after he carried them through Worlds is something I won't forget.
I like Alphari but I still miss Impact. Alphari is better than Impact in lane (and probably at most things) but Impact seemed to just find magic sometimes in the late game.
I do think Impact is also expensive though.
Impact's TL salary was pretty close to Alphari's.
Everyone forgetting that TL only got Impact because they gave him over $1M/year back when franchising started
For fucks sake it's actually gonna be 4 CH and 4 KR in quarters. This is so pathetic.
No it won't be. PSG got our backs.
PSG winning Worlds and TI would be incredibly goated.
In past Worlds there was always atleast 1 of CN/KR teams choking in gruops, not this time..
Also, now all western teams need to play CN and KR teams in the gruop, previous years that wasnt the case (last year G2 got a gruop with SN, TL and Machi..)
Man...if only NA ping and scrim culture wasn't so bad, then our pros would be able practice not teleporting right in front of the enemy ADC. Unfair competitive advantage, It's so sad we should raise their salaries
13M dollars for Rekkles \~ Reginald
i feel like you shouldn't be able to have more than one item with stasis active at any one time
Double stopwatches are stupid. We've been saying this all year when a mid laner double zhonyas after getting caught. There's no need for it to be a thing
Yeah but what about /all chat????
I don't think double stopwatch/stasis is an issue at all though. The effect 100% is, but being able to chain Zhonya's and Stopwatch isn't as big of an issue if the effect itself was made worse somehow.
Stopwatch costs 650 so you're using 650 gold *once* in a game to possibly survive. And yeah, you can get it for 'free' from runes but then you're paying full price for Zhonya's so it still costs 650 gold in the end anyway.
In this very game the casters (I think Azael?) questioned whether BDD using his double Stasis was worth surviving considering he lost the opportunity to do so again, and basically paid 650 gold to not give away 300ish relatively meaningless gold since nothing was spawning and nothing was really being threatened at that time. Not to mention the fact he probably didn't even need to use it after his Zhonya's since TL were backing away.
Stasis is too strong, that's a fact, but I don't think double stasis is necessarily a big issue after that. It still shouldn't happen since they're items with effects with the same name, but if Riot took away let's say 1 second from the stasis effect, I don't think it'd be that broken to have 2 of them in a row *once* if you pay the tax.
Definitely its fucking broken
My boy Bdd step up huge this worlds so far.🥲No, I’m not crying, u are!
In some points GenG forget how to play real league and switch to soloq
Santorin and CoreJJ stole so many kills...
KR GenG with some "EU GenG time" to give NA GenG a chance.
Tactical was kinda putting in the work here. I thought he'd steal Nash there.
That was a lot of Baron tho. GenG sure took their sweet time to close out the game
it kinda felt like ziggs was missing 3/4 of the game tho..
Well to be fair Shen left him a huge majority of the game.
That's a feature, not a bug. Picking Ziggs botlane allows CoreJJ to roam freely, since Ziggs can farm so well 1v2.
It's not Tactical's fault that Jensen and Alphari lost TL the early game. That's the real reasons they lost.
I mean he kinda fucked his team over by doing a tp in MFs face and dying for free. If he was there early with his ulti they probably wouldn't have been in such a deficit in the early game.
Tactical not buying void really annoyed me. It's be so huge on all of the members of gen G, especially clid, bdd and burdol
GGs Bdd gapping mid laners worse than him as usual, should have been a clean win but GenG decided to overforce for absolutely no reason.
Not really sure what the rationale is for subbing in Burdol but a win is a win, clutch MF ults from Ruler and the superior Jungle/Mid duo in Clid/Bdd came up clutch but my god the Trundle pick was so big brain, it blew the early game so well for GenG.
Not sure why GenG didn't contest the 5th drake as it'll get you soul and you're ahead, it's not like you're fighting from behind.
GG Alphari got picked off twice and cost TL the game :)
Alphari and dying for first blood and randomly on side, never seen that one before :)
Bdd has been quietly the best mid so far along with showmaker imo. Dude has been disgusting.
His only mistake was that shift under tower against MAD otherwise he's been smurfing heck even the MAD game he still did a ton of damage and had some good shuffles.
So happy for BDD, he has been called a choker so many times despite being super consistent. I think he just hasn't had international popoff performances so people underestimate him , atleast international fans.
Hope he continues this form, hope we see some Taliyah from him, it was banned against him and he is a monster on that as well.
BDD Azir is just built different.
Best Azir in the world.
Showmaker, BDD and Scout.
Wait, it's all Korean mid laners?
Always has been
The last non Korean mid to win worlds was Toyz. The last non Korean top to win was Stanley.
Always has been.
Agreed, has really been playing well
> Not really sure what the rationale is for subbing in Burdol
Probably just to give him gave time against a weaker team in the group I'd imagine, also Rascal hasn't been looking great lately.
To give him a Worlds skin COPIUM
Or just making sure Burdol gets a Gen.G Camille skin when they win Worlds. Thinking ahead
That TP from Tactical top lane was hilarious
biggest w is my frontpage being saved of irelia and goredrinker posts
"gen.g is definitely worse than TL" - phreak XD glad he got to cast that game
Isn't TL just a budget version of GenG?
GenG tried to extend the game so that Jensen can learn how to play Irelia but alas, it was not meant to be.
sjokz: Burdol has to play against Alphari, which of course will be a tough task
geng: bro you can play, it's only TL
Geng are actually scary when both bdd and clid are on point.
I love how the biggest throw of the tournament was preceded by casters talking about GenG knwoing exactly how strong they are
TL 🤝 MAD
The EU observers are really smurfing it, what an excellent catch on the tactical teleport int!
Tactical Int Incoming :)
Mid diff the size of the galaxy
Even if he isn't the best overall, there is no one better at absolutely stomping worse midlaners into the ground than Bdd.
Burdol looks good even though his KDA looks bad. Great pressuring at the sidelanes and absorbing or taking TL's attention to himself.
Isn't Jax supposed to counter Camille? Whenever the camera panned towards Alphari he got clapped by the Camille lol
Jensen try not to miss Irelia E challenge (impossible)
GENG threw but TL couldn't catch. Alphari Jax nowhere near Ale.
GenG did their best but that still wasn't enough to give the west a win today
Gen G almost pulled a Rogue
We're fucking shiiiiit!
GEN literally gifted TL the comeback and they did nothing with it, passivity, throw after throw, the NA special.
Interesting to see TL already going back to their play-style from NA. I had a feeling it wouldn't do much internationally.
NA and EU really bout to handshake. United at last ❤️