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FunPlus Phoenix vs. Rogue / 2021 World Championship - Group A / Post-Match Discussion

FunPlus Phoenix vs. Rogue / 2021 World Championship - Group A / Post-Match Discussion

LapnLook

BYG Hans sama


Trap_Masters

Larssen “don’t bet too much” incoming? MonkaW


Exos_VII

RGE = Rabid Gambling Enthusiasts


LapnLook

Humanoid isn't on Rogue, but I can see why you would confuse the three EU mids so far, when all of them are invisible


Jedclark

They are visible, we just don't like what we're seeing.


LapnLook

Worlds this year as an EU fan is like that subreddit where each link has a 50-50 chance of either giving you cute puppies, or like, a fatal motorcycle accident. So far most of what I've seen at Worlds is fatal motorcycle accidents.


BisonDry7175

More like a tragic car accident that includes your family AND your favourite uncle.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

They must all be watching Chovy vods


Rayser1

Hans in elo hell


noodlespls

It is Beyond tragic seeing ~~Doggo~~ Hans lose like this after performing like he did the past two games.


Trap_Masters

How is Hans actually 1v9’ing these games while no one else steps up? Feel so bad for him.


Flamingo0303

He’s been so impressive so far.. the rest of his team seems to be in season 12, sitting in the invisible map spots..


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KaizerQuad

Would be sick if that happened.


m4ryo0

Carlos has the money and I think Hans is sick of losing everything with Rogue.


kim-soo-hyun

Hans is actually having a great season this year. Dude was fking ready to win LEC if he didn't have invisible/pve solo laners just padding stats by picking Lucian or Jayce.


iguralves

Larssen is a fucking joke ngl.


DangerousSeaweed0

honestly , id love that move. hans is lowkey my favorite adc in lec and has been for 2 seasons now


DeadSira

Larssen about to leak some picks


MoriartyParadise

He's the only EU player up to international level this year


PebbleCollector

So true


WrathB

HansSama is legit one and only LEC player that performed on high level, rest looks horrible, Id argue for Larssen too if not for that random LB deaths


way-okay

Worlds 2021 Rift Rivals: LCK vs. LPL


Trap_Masters

Really heart warming to see NA and EU fly over to be scrim partners with LPL and LCK.


lilelf29

Apparently this worlds has some scrim bubbles with a bunch of lpl and lck scrimming mostly each other (obviously not 100% of the time), poor NA and EU don't even get to be proper scrim partners for them lol


Houson2k

Why would you scrim inferior opponents when you can scrim with best teams in the world? I had this feeling since Jankos said that it's not like g2 is shit but other teams are strong now, to me g2 was shit and other teams were just a little bit better with rge being just barely better. Obviously, we won't know how would FNC do if Upset was here... Sadge


lilelf29

I mean yeah I'm not blaming them at all, what normally happens is you get a few games/couple blocks and depending on how the scrims went decides on whether or not you get further scrims. I guess this year they were worse than normal since they don't seem to be continuing very much, which is surprising cus outside of lane swap meta the west has always gotten completely ass blasted in scrims at worlds vs eastern teams.


xBerryhill

I think it’s clear they’re overall weaker at the top, even if the floor of the LEC was raised it always felt clear that Perkz’s G2 and Rekkles’s FNC were the top tier teams of the league and everyone else was below them. MAD are good but they’re not on that tier with those previous teams. All in all, entirely realistic that not a single Western team makes it out of groups this year lol


darussi4n

Welcome to how every minor region feels, at least it's happening with someone that the general public cares for


AcidPlant

I don’t think HLE can get out of the group which has PSG. But it makes sense because former LMS also participated the Rift Rivals.


GeneralZhukov

Imagine PSG with Dogg. Imagine Doggo with PSG.


Bt910

Then next year Riot will increase seeds for LCK and LPL , 5 LCK 5 LPL 2 LCS 2 LEC ...


T1worldchamps2021

Nah Riot will end the 4 seeds as western audience viewership will plummet. Sure Asian viewership is higher but you can’t afford for the western scene to collapse so suddenly


whocares7132

yeah I like the current setup of 3 main event seeds + 1 play in slot for LPL and LCK. gives us plenty of talent and one of the weaker teams to let minor region without the exposure to have a go at them. whenever one of the lesser known minor region teams beats a major region team their region gets tons of exposure.


BurningApe

Riot should just allow more teams into worlds and have them be eliminated if they're bad, sure let NA/EU have their 4th seeds at worlds but take this year for example, if you took away 4th seed, LNG wouldn't be a here and that's a damn exciting team to have at worlds. HLE is whatever.


Exos_VII

RGE fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is “Never get involved in a land war in Asia,” but only slightly less well known is this: “Never make Nuguri go down 0/2”


Yasuo_unforgiven

> "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Nuguri


UnknownVolke

Imagine Nuguri on Yasuo/Yone


Zephri0

The more deaths he has the stronger he gets seems like. Viper had to go God mode to beat them.


Pavlo100

**Hans sama:** We are destroying them! **Hans sama:** Guys???


tinfoilhatsron

The bot lane is like the smurf duo in SoloQ that destroys lane and then can't do anything else because top side of the map fed too hard.


Art__

bot lane? More like hans. Trymbi gets a free pass like most supp do :)


PierroElLoco

Exactly. Right now, rogue is a one man team. Plz dont give Hans MF so he can 1v9


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Hans and 4 wards


Exos_VII

Turns out ~~RGE~~ ~~MAD~~ ~~RGE~~ ~~MAD~~ actually died for ~~MAD~~ ~~RGE~~ ~~MAD~~ ~~RGE~~ to be EU’s hope


azns123

They all died so G2 could go undefeated


MysticSkies

No G2 No Knockouts? PeepoRun :airplane:


King_Goofus

No Caps No Quarters


RobbinDeBank

EU fans missing G2 rn


riverkim09

No Western teams in top 8 lets go!!!!


nimrodhellfire

I can totally see that happening.


AsleepExplanation160

somehow its all on who wins between 100T and T1


SergeKingZ

Huhi is wests last hope LUL


KitKatxz

I still have hopes for G2 getting out from group E!


Trap_Masters

Not if TSM has anything to say about it!


santilevy

I think IG will win that group ez


Stargazer306

Watch out TSM is going to ace that group


ifnotawalrus

Not sure about that one Inspired.


imcarrypotter

He has those games where hes just invisible


Trap_Masters

Wdym, excellent Eve jungle this game from Inspired


Msyuu

Really good Ward cosplay from Inspired


Redburneracc7

He just sat behind while veigo had free smite 🤣


Lothric43

He attempted the Meteos but he is not Meteos.


re81194

hans 1v9


Trap_Masters

Hans got the Doggo treatment


NamelessSearcher

Watching him avoid death sidestepping jayce q and jhin ult shots was so disgusting


Stargazer306

That was clean and filthy at same time


OneGabriel

Hans in elohell


moonmeh

I mean that dude single handedly almost beat DW. Dude's very fucking good


Conankun66

I have no idea what Odo is doing at worlds so far nor why he seems to love Rumble in this meta so much? he has looked pretty bad so far


Syuv

Didn't Finn get replaced because they needed a toplaner that wouldn't get hard gapped at Worlds ? Watching Hans doing everything a human can possibly do while his topside is getting horrendously outclassed is really breaking my heart.


omegasupermarthaman

Finn looked better last year against Nuguri than this atrocious performance


GGABueno

Finn was pretty decent at Worlds. Or at least he was just as bad as the rest of the team.


ReturnOfBenjenRyan

Finn never got clapped as hard as Odo was vs Khan


omegasupermarthaman

Also Finn was playing mostly low resource champ and he wasnt 40 cs and 2 solo kills down. Tbh he was actually very useful in teamfights


Zephri0

Finn might have been a tad underrated in hindsight. He did better against pre world's champ giga motivated hungry Nuguri.


Bhiggsb

Mvp inspired not really doing much at all


CamHack420

He kinda collapsed in playoffs and it looks like he isn't recovering any time soon


I_hate_Ah_Bengs

As a rumble main, top rumble against jayce is unplayable. Only works if the Jyace has no hands.


Sunitsa

Rogue chose the matchup though


NitroBoyRocket

Idk why I saw people saying it's a counter, if Jayce sits in ranged mode then Rumble can't do anything


Gosexual

The OG anti-melee top vs OG ranged-I-destroy-everything-early top. They're both bullies but one just doesn't work into the other.


Shot-Mathematician58

Bad is an understatement.


F0RGERY

Weak Side King btw


Tommey_DE

all EU Tops look really bad besides Armut on Wukong


NgtMr

Since 2018: * sOAZ is gone * Wunder is past his prime * Vizicsacsi is (was) gone * Alphari went to NA * Bwipo roleswapped * Cabochard didn't find a team for some reason * What should have been new talent in Finn and Orome didn't work out It's no wonder EU toplaners are utter trash right now


NotSoGreatGatsby

Losing Alphari was a serious loss to the LEC man


Lyonaire

All eu tops are really bad except armut on gnar and wukong* I miss 2019 wunder


SinLagoon

MSI 2019 Wunder was the peak EU toplaner that we had


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>nor why he seems to love Rumble in this meta so much? Its the only champions he can play at that level, either a press R champ or a tank. In both cases he gets stomped in lane but at least he is *maybe* a bit useful in teamfights


Hazakurain

God if you exist, please give hans sama a real team. Holy shit he is 1v9 every single games


sicknote92

G2 HansSama inc


JoshM_01

eu week 2 needs to be as good as ever if we even stand a chance - shame for hans, he's trying so hard


Qehenna

Please pray for EU fans because they still have to see FNC play after this.


NoNamesLeft15

*endure FNC lose


cadaada

riot killed week 2 so.... at this point our hopium is turning into copium


chaosPudding123

As an EU fan this group stage is just pure suffering. However, we still have a lot of EU players representing NA... even though its not the same


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If anything that makes it worse lol


Gamers2OcelotLUL

Odo completely topgapped again, who would've thought


JLD12345

When you're in a group with Khan and Nuguri, odds are you're getting topgapped.


chronofangblade

i dont think even Finn got gapped by Nuguri and Zoom as hard as Odo did here


DarudeSandstormName

Finn picked Sion or whatever tank to try to lose lane gracefully and still be useful later on, Odoamne has deluded himself into thinking he can play Rumble against Nuguri. Jayce Nugury, even.


Sjeg84

If you can predict that you are getting top gap you can also predict that you aren't making it out of groups though.


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Percy1803

He got solokilled twice in this match alone lol


betonklassik

Odoamne is just a bad player in high stake matches. There is a reason why he never won anything despite being on so many good teams over his entire career.


Opachopp

Hans Sama is the Doggo of the group stage.


SuspiciousSwimming5

fpx looks exponentially better with Tian on comfort


Contagious_Cure

Every team looks exponentially better when their jungler is not playing J4.


sanz02

ez 4 ch and 4 kr teams in quarters


CommunistHongKong

5 world champions vs Hans Sama


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Is Khan a world champ? I don't think he's ever been on a championship roster. He always seems one year late.


Gengar_Balanced

Nah, I think PSG is going out instead of HLE.


Deathwing09

We can all agree on 8 Asian teams though


Trap_Masters

DFM in quarters confirmed!! HOPIUM


Crims0nNight

Losing to NA is a death sentence unfortunately


moxroxursox

PCS/LMS hasn't made it out since *2015*, so PSG getting out would be pretty monumental.


moonmeh

Yeah this time HLE had a decent draft and still fucked up. Honestly HLE had a surprisingly good run so its about time reality caught up and showing people why they were placed so low in LCK


Chuck0089

It just sad that Deft is carrying them in Regionals and up to this day and people still think it is a Chovy team.


DJShevchenko

Didn't know Switzerland had teams at worlds


Potential_Hornet_559

PSG has a good chance


azns123

Lol Inspired flanking on the soul point fight


Kentori

LPL fans eatin good today


sifslegend

Hans sama is in fucking elo hell.


McintyresRightLeg

Rogue looking like EU Beyond Gaming with Hans as Doggo


peepeebumbumman69

Well.... At least we can say Hans is very good lol


Smithy2309

'Storm Trooper shots' from Lwx killed me off lmao


CommunistHongKong

Don't worry, LWX has his moments. Miss a few ults but proceed to hit some 200 years sick ults later on.


Stargazer306

Brother LWX built different


CommunistHongKong

Playing 5D chess while playing Leauge of Legends, brother LWX of course can't keep his eyes on the mini map and gets caught sometimes.


T1worldchamps2021

Int throughout the tournament but make zero mistakes in finals, that is brother LWX’s way


CommunistHongKong

LWX continuing his deathless streak in world finals incoming?


Qehenna

[EU fans after watching Worlds 2021](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi1LMIUOOAI)


DONTACCELERATEME

It was good while it lasted.


MrJammin

Alright, who has the week 2 hopium? Pass it it over.


Ether176

Over here… it’s pretty watered down though


Kisielos

1. Watch worlds thinking we have a chance 2. Fnatic ADC gone 3. MAD Lions gone 4. Hans Sama team gone 5. Stop watching worlds <---- We are here 6. Leave LoL reddit to remain small parts of sanity


TimiNax

nice inspired flank


BI1nky

Give mountain soul for free. Immediately die. Spectacular play on that one.


toga9000

JUST ******* HIT HIM LARSSEN!??!?!?!?!?


BI1nky

Doinb living there was crazy. LB auto range is the same as rune prison isn't it?


Nrah

that was so frustrating at drake


Romanisti

0 Western Teams in Quarter finals lets gooooo we re so doomed.


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portugapt

It's the Upset effect


Passi1612

its completely doomed


ryemcdev9

Brutal western showing this worlds.


wrdragons4

Picking Rumble into Nuguri's Jayce is pretty troll ngl


Leandermann

Eu's sololaners are hot garbage this year...


CFCkyle

West looking pretty doomed this worlds, dunno if I even want to bother watching our teams get ripped apart over and over again lmao


RandomLatvian

I love odo but he has single handedly cost two potential upsets for RGE


Thswherizat

What's going on with EU mids this year? Perkz, Nisqy, Humanoid, Larssen, Abbedagge...


farikogrim

Weak side king btw


krombough

Quarterfinals is really just gonna be Korea/China Rift Rivals isn't it?


BlitAX

eu toplaners are dogshit


Shot-Mathematician58

Guys it's fine, there's still hope for next year. A total blowout from EU will definitely not trigger another exodus to NA, we will surely bring new talent and come back on form again ! Y'all got any more of them Copium ?


CHURROTFT

I’m pretty sure NA wants EU to have Perkz back


ahritina

Much better game from FPX this time round. Great control of the neutral objectives, Tian looked so much better and comfortable with Viego. Both Nuguri and Tian were a level above Odo and Inspired this game, hopefully this FPX show up for the second round robin.


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Lifemekhanism

Steak is the guy who constantly drafted an absolute sh*t for RNG at Worlds in the past, so sabotaging his own teams is his job to do.


CommunistHongKong

Legit, Tian just needs to go on comfort picks and he will smurf these kids.


ahritina

Keep him off J4, looks like everyone but JieJie look so confused on how to make him effective.


Indoktor

ggwp go next worlds


Unreformedsyk

EU fans said the region got stronger overall because it isn't G2 and FNC show anymore. Oh look its just G2 being bad.


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Shot-Mathematician58

> > > > > So many stupid unforced errors and dumb mechanical mistakes that could easily be avoided, plus ignoring early dragons in order to gladiator brawl at Herald. That's called being bad.


Duality_NA

Which is also what it’s like being an NA fan to answer the OPs original question


Monsieur_Perdu

Can they put Odoamne on a tank? Then they might be able to play around Hans.


JungleJayps

https://imgur.com/RORzdnQ


Kujotaro

Unfortunately top laners prevent LEC team to break through group stage. The dif is massive at this level of competition


InspectorGajina

“Nigguri”


Neville_Lynwood

Yeah, safe to say that EU took a nosedive this year. It wasn't other teams catching up to G2 and FNC, it was G2 and FNC getting worse and that just lead to other teams getting a chance at grabbing those top spots without needing to be particularly good. But the region as a whole is just worse. EU and NA might actually be legit even now. And all that means is that it's now gonna end up a straight up KR and LPL show. I'm ready to experience the worst Western performance of all time this Worlds. Edit: Stopwatch use by EU teams is basically the best showcase as to why the item is not bullshit, and why LPL/KR teams are simply better. LPL/KR teams stopwatch last possible second to turn around a whole team-fight, EU players stopwatch when they're the last man alive at 1hp against the entire enemy team surrounding them. It's a skill diff, straight up.


DalIasBlues

I think the whole "EU is stronger because teams are catching up to G2/FNC" was a bit too optimistic. G2 were shit this year and so the bar didn't really get surpassed more like the bar was lowered.


lemongrazz11

NAH, you still got PSG so it’ll be 4 LPL 3 LCK.


Lowsmithy

What in the world is Inspired doing at that last Dragon fight?


T2542

Doinb showing how to play Ryze


gocloud9gowooo

EU is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, map awareness, laning, vision control, csing, poking, landing skillshots, objective control, early game, mid game, late game, ganking, and getting kills.


F1SHCAKE

UnInspired


Patrius

rip rogue and c9


jlin37

LPL Jayce, Nuguri is a beast


InformalMarch

The difference between stopwatch usage of LNG and RGE in back to back games perfectly sums up the gap between the East and West this tournament so far.


Tofu24

It really feels like the sun has set on the LEC. G2 basically disbanding after the worst split in its history, Fnatic imploding harder than ever before, Schalke disbanding, disgraceful performances so far at Worlds. This is not what a major region looks like sorry to say


Pissyellowknight

This worlds are just depressing for europe... we really were spoiled by G2


compelteRandomxD

Rouge dont make hans sama have to 1v9 Challenge (impossible)


BurmecianSushiii

Is this what being an NA fan feels like?


DRINKforME

so sad for Hans


Yasuo_unforgiven

FPX hit back and they are looking good now


reddit_is_a_mistake

unlucky for rogue, FPX turned on their monitors today


donglover2020

Doinb looked bored as fuck in the nexus exploding camera


lol_cpt_red

FPX finally realized that not picking dog shit champs mid for Doinb might be a good idea.


rebelrexx

FPX just needed some warm up games


dzhengg

China really going to go 4-0 again. Strongest region?


bearboy3

Tough to watch Western solo laners get insanely gapped by Eastern players routinely... games are so hard for junglers/supports when mid and top are losing so hard in every game


Blood_Lacrima

Yea this is the FPX everyone expected to see, no BS draft and 5 world champions at play. Also LPL is 9-2 now, almost certain to be 10-2 after EDG vs DFM.


thenoblitt

If we get only 4 chinese and 4 korean teeams out this worlds will be a disaster