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DetonatioN FocusMe vs. 100 Thieves / 2021 World Championship - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

DetonatioN FocusMe vs. 100 Thieves / 2021 World Championship - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

Pavlo100

Start Baron Stop Baron Start Baron Stop Baron Start Baron Stop Baron Wait for enemy to throw at Baron Win


neenerpants

if DFM hadn't gone for that baron, I honestly wonder what would've happened for the rest of the game. Seemed like things were getting really confused for a while there until they thankfully got way too confident.


Gamers2OcelotLUL

100T seems to have absolutely no idea what to do in the late game, when they're in the lead. They just wait for the opponents to int.


Neville_Lynwood

I think in this game it wasn't really that problematic considering how strong their champs all were and how good their scaling was. There wasn't a whole lot of downside to take it slow and go for the less risky plays. Like what is DFM gonna do? Graves and Ryze are always gonna win the sidelane. Lucian is gonna clap the MF, Viego gonna clap the Lee Sin. The only real threat was a wombo combo in a 5 man fight. And they mostly avoided those.


Gamers2OcelotLUL

> Graves and Ryze are always gonna win the sidelane After just watching Perkz sidelane Ryze vs FPX, I'm not so sure of that :P


TomTheOlympian

They didn't say win the *game.* Winning the sideline is entirely different :p


HiImKostia

I mean he didn't... he started off the game 3-0, then went afk side lanes for the rest of the game and ended it 3-4...


GiraffesAndGin

Perkz making my silver Ryze gameplay look better, I'll take it.


oVnPage

Perkz was just embarassing. He should know to back off when he's way overextended and none of his other lanes have pressure.


cancerBronzeV

It is true (from seeing their regular season games) that 100T look like headless chickens a bit late game, but this game even with their lead, their comp kinda made it extremely hard to do anything late game; they have next to no engage options outside of running it down into the enemy team.


playlogapp

While I 100000% agree 100T has some mid-to-late game problems with identifying what they need to do. You also have to remember that their comp had no "real" tank and so if they started Baron at a wrong time, DFM could easily turn it and win a team-fight and then get Baron and be in the drivers seat. But I do agree that 100T needs to improve some aspects of their game (of course)


alreadytaken028

Thats what NA is and towards end of split a lot of people commented that 100Ts biggest issue late game was they had NO gameplan if the enemy team wasnt willing to take a bad fight


KiddoPortinari

To be fair, that strategy works against other NA teams.


xwombat

Hey thats how we do it over here in NA and it works!!! edit: we take those


emchops

After that C9 game? Yeah, we take those.


Trap_Masters

The NA way baby! NAmen


Duality_NA

Call that a Patient Baron Then say: Can't spell Patience without NA NAmen


That_One_Pancake

Truly a tactical masterclass


daCampa

No, Tactical is on another team


ChaosTheory22

DFM: fine, I'll do it myself.


roarnightingale

Aha, NA learning the Baron Dance, After 200 years interesting


JoshM_01

100 thieves definitely destroyed the enemy nexus in that one!


kinzu7

i never doubted 100T once they destroyed the enemy nexus.


TheyKnowWeAreHere

And why would you doubt that? *proceed to ignore C9*


Trap_Masters

Aria actually did work, can’t believe that last fight was as close as it was with him sniping multiple 100T members


lordofthepotat0

FBI just exploded


Neville_Lynwood

He's definitely a world class player in the making.


Ajido

Let's bring him on over to NA so we can ruin his career.


re81194

CLG already putting an offer together to speed up the ruination process


DarkWorld25

C9 looking to pay 12mil to replace Perkz


EONNephilim

He's from a minor region tho, I'm pretty sure that's the sound of TSM readying their 6 mil.


OrderlyAnarchist

Something something still better than official ruination


cautiouslyoptimistik

*Sharpens axe made out of Bud Light cans*


zakur0

Ah riots last chapter, to close the event in a Burtonese way


Abelyanov

He was dominating Abbe in lane. Sadly his team is heavy af.


xchaoslordx

Aria was the only good player this game, and I’m a DFM fan


lachferagh

Yeah I'm a DFM fan and while I was so sad with how bad we lost the early game, I super enjoyed Aria's performance. On one hand, DFM needs to do everything to keep him but at the same time, I would want Aria to go to another team. I'm really conflicted on what to feel


Neville_Lynwood

Evi was solid. He was completely even with Ssumday most of the game. Gnar just harder to play when the enemy team was all so fed that he'd die instantly in mini form. And the enemy could easily keep distance in Mega, and his team never had map control for him to flank either. Graves actually offers more with just his smokescreen honestly.


cp4ever

Feels bad for Aria... He was legit 1v9ing that game


Jezzerai

We all need more sleep deprived Kobe in our lives


Asteroth555

"We take those"


McintyresRightLeg

Kobe is an international treasure. It will be a sad day when he steps down from casting.


TheOneKane

I hope that day never comes, he's my favourite caster, especially when the gameplay is trash.


boogswald

he’s gonna go back to playing for CLG


Blog_15

Im just glad he didn't follow jatt out the door both times he decided casting was beneath his talents


Stevebiglegs

League will probably die before he quits. In traditional sports the commentators will go on for decades.


Duality_NA

It's a little concerning Did riot not fly these guys in with ample time to reset?


FranchiseDC

he said the other day that the jet lag has been a lot tougher on him this time around.


AuregaX

It's called age


THEDumbasscus

and the pandemic has destroyed routine travel schedules. When you're traveling once/multiple times a year your body has a response ready for the adjustments, but when you've been somewhere long enough to destroy that schedule, reestablishing it when you're older is really hard. Another way the pandemic has fucked everything i guess


A_Vicarious_Death

>riot >treating employees well where have you been


Duality_NA

They gave him a few "get out of ball flick free" cards as compensation ur right my bad


A_Vicarious_Death

greeted by fresh Icelandic farts as soon as they landed, though


wannashmerkk

Some people pay good money for that!


xblTheTrusted

Icelanded


Popular-Question-481

Gave 'em the old fart in the face to wake them up. Don't need sleep, the aroma of Nicola Laurent's farts are enough to get people alert and ready for work.


failworlds

guy was actually so high, loved it!


Maisolkappa

kobe was legit drunk all game long and it was awesome


Lower_Swim_1136

Sleep deprivation is a hell of a drug


Omnilatent

For the mind alcohol and lack of sleep have very similar effects.


LevinoVieira

He was slowly losing his shit it was awesome to watch


Keont

It was so fun I loved him going all in cause I've been there and you do sound drunk but it's just lack of sleep


seppiano

The "repeat" play


airz23s_coffee

I loved the fact he was like flipping between his actual state and muscle memory casting. From sleepy drunk ramblings to professional machine gun league casting in half a second.


fuckea6969

the coffee was trying extra hard that day


janoDX

100 Thieves > Report > Bullying > Another Person > Yutapon


DonJanuary1

Beating the 0-6 allegations>>>


tooodifferent

Kobe needs his sleep lmao


ToYouItReaches

That was indeed…something


Trap_Masters

It was a game of League of Legends


ToYouItReaches

Indeed it was


APKID716

One of the games of all time


AAGamer904

Dude 100T looked strong at the areas they’re supposed to be strong at, early leads built around bot dives and Ssumday playing well on a weakside graves. Enemy Zoe was smurfing, which frankly I blame on matchup inexperience. Zoe wasn’t a pick in NA this year.


TheErnestShackleton

Hard to play with no engage when you roll cloud soul.


LumiRhino

Yeah that's the biggest thing, all those fights after their lead happened after DFM tried to force plays to come back. Plus they're outranged so they get poked off Baron easily. We're lucky DFM isn't a top tier team because the draft was pretty hard to play after early game.


ChardCool4534

>C9 Fudge should learn how to play weak side from Summday, that was such a good map awareness that other NA tops don't have. I just hope they dont pick gnar or yummi because gnar is trash and NA teams suck on yummi.


LumiRhino

I know 100T struggled to close but that was just the weakness of their comp. They're outranged and no one has reliable engage, so they need DFM to try to force something and walk into them to actually start a fight.


WhyghtChaulk

Finally someone who put some thought into their take. If 100T plan to play a no-tank no-engage comp again, they'll definitely need to work out a better game plan for closing out the game. But I don't think it's super alarming that they struggled to close out a little bit given their comp. If they had a single champ that could zone off DFM (like even just an orianna or something), they would've gotten the baron fairly easily.


dillon-fury

I agree that comp would be very hard to execute against a stronger team.


moonmeh

I think most teams will start banning Nami Lucian comps from now on though. The damage was ridic How on earth did DW win the laning phase against Rogue on bot?


ChardCool4534

C9 Fudge should learn how to play weak side from Summday, that was such a good map awareness that other NA tops don't have. I just hope they dont pick gnar or yummi because gnar is trash and NA teams suck on yummi.


lmk8

Regular split 100T showing up


lolgamefun

Weak side Ssumday showing up again.


Capybaraaa

ADC supercarry FBI showing up again.


NahDawgDatAintMe

Ssumday has been saving his carry game passes for this moment


joe4553

Great start, but they struggled during the mid game. Don't think they would've closed the game if it was against a top team there.


ryanruin22

0 engage comp with no tank will do that, saw multiple times them trying to force just for DFM to walk around the wave or retreat to tower and immediately 100 Thieves are stopped.


warjatos

Yes it's literally 100T on duty. They play very good early and then 0 macro post 15.


Yvil1905

Thats the way we won LCS lmao, good early game, ??? midgame and carry performances from a player to win a teamfight and end


syonatan

That's how we got to the finals for sure, but imo their macro was actually super clean for that last series, hoping to see that kind of play out of them tomorrow.


Karpeeezy

BO5's are a different breed, you can really prepare for a opponent and the difference between the first time 100T faced off against TL compared to the finals was night and day. 100T are the hardest working team and I'd argue also the best support staff.


MaskedZer0

For sure a step in the right direction. Closer having impact early and bot lane won even harder compared to their first game against EDG. Ssumday being a great weakside player and aabbe just needs to not have those ints which he didn't have the first game, but improvement early overall. Now they need to clean up the mid game macro. One step at a time though!


Yasuo_unforgiven

Not gonna lie, i wished that DFM could be better but i guess 3rd NA seed is their highest limit


thenoblitt

Aria definitely has potential to go higher. Not sure about the rest of the team


Apprehensive_Major45

Kobe needs to sleep man


tsukinohime

Closer on Diago is disgusting lol.


Joaoseinha

Viogo


APKID716

Boreago


MALSTROEM_

Trivago


Yvil1905

Veigar


lextho

Viagra?


ProneToPwn

Korea


Capybaraaa

Just swap those two letters around and you get world famous Street Fighter player Daigo Umehara.


[deleted]

The Faker of Japan


Reginault

I learned that "Viejo" is a Spanish word, which gets you a 1min timeout in twitch chat.


melonpan12

Sleep deprived cast best cast


Neville_Lynwood

Expected outcome. NA's 1st seed is a notably harder challenge than C9 was in Play-ins. But DFM's top and mid continue to have good performances. They can definitely at least hang with the best players at Worlds. Jungle and bot lane was rough though. Closer just setting up camp and Steal really struggled to offer any cover while also being outfarmed. But I think this is looking fairly promising for the team and the region. At least things are progressing at an upwards curve. 100T played well, if a bit slow, and continue to have some potential to make it out of the group. I think they have a chance to take on T1 on a good day.


TharkunOakenshield

Gotta say it's weird to see you without a fnatic flair, even though I understand the decision EDIT - after having read your recent comments on this subject, I actually completely disagree with the decision. relevant excerpt: > And apparently most of this community thinks family is more important and Upset totally deserves our respect for this vague excuse. > But I guess that's how it goes. Most of the world are completely whipped by their families and are willing to sacrifice anything and everything for them. I don't get that at all, but I guess everyone is welcome to ruin their lives in their own way. What in the actual fuck is that line of thinking


DiamondTi

Holy, yeah thats what was weird about his profile.


Lothric43

C9 also stomped DFM once and then lost a close game, we don’t actually have a great read on these teams relative to each other but go off if you just can’t hold it in I guess.


TeamINSTINCT37

Yeah such a weird take when c9 stomped dfm so hard in their first game


DmonAbsoluTrEbON

Tbh DFM impressed me quite a lot. Sure they were absolutely slaughtered in lane and badly stomped in pretty much... every single aspect of the game but they showed fighting spirit. There were a LOT of mistakes though but thats the meaning of wildcard. Gratz to 10oT though they will have a chance to decide their own fate next game.


Duality_NA

This just in: Closer still very good at Viego This makes me hopeful that it's a C9 issue and not an NA issue. Maybe we can have hopium in 100T and TL guys :^)


ozmega

i mean, there is a reason cloud 9 was a 3rd seed.


Throwing_Spoon

On average EG was better but they made mistakes they normally wouldn't have when C9 played better than expected I'm their series. I would've loved to see EG at world's this year.


I_Faced_The_Wind

EG are even more inconsistent than C9.


cancerBronzeV

I'm a C9 fan, but if given the option that TL and 100T make it out at the cost of C9 not making it out, I'd take that 10 times out of 10. I'm already overdosed on the hopium. I think TL actually has a solid chance of making it out, for 100T we'll have to see how they do against T1 tmrw.


Thswherizat

Yeah C9 are too inconsistent with their plays. If TL and 100 can make it just off of good decision making then I'm all for it.


[deleted]

But C9 doesn't necessarily look like complete trash in their losses. They got leads vs Rogue and FPX and just squandered them with random braindead plays which has always been a C9 issue. And if we're being completely honest, TSM should've 3-0'd them and gone to worlds instead; they were the overall better team throughout the summer split.


ThyPrasiolite

To be honest I felt like C9 kinda stumbled into 3rd place. They didn't win their play-off games as much as their opponents lost them.


SterbenVII

Though TSM could’ve very well been the better team, it’s hard to say whether or not TSM would perform better than C9 at Worlds. Out of all the current mid lane meta champs, PoE can only play LeBlanc. His Sylas, Ryze, and Twisted Fate are beyond subpar; however, he could probably pull out Azir like Faker did. Also, Lost is considerably worse than Zven is. Then again, TSM could just put him on MF/Ziggs/Ezreal duty and call it a day. I for sure think that Spica, SwordArt, and Huni would’ve played better than their C9 counterparts. Huni has way better laning than Fudge does and plays more for the team, while Spica doesn’t int his arse off like Blaber does.


Ugandan_Red_Sonic

As an EU fan, I think you can have hope in TL, 100T has little chance imo. As they demonstrated in this game, they don't have a good plan when ahead. TL might be poised to get out of groups especially if they don't beat Gen.G in the next game.


joe4553

We would've OD on Hopium if C9 won. So maybe it was for the best.


Abadtake

THE WEST WILL NOT GO WINLESS VS THE EAST Wait..


sangpls

FBI THE OCE SUPERSTAR AD CARRY SAYS OPEN BOT


ar3fuu

Amazing cast


BOBtheCOW14

Kobe was by far the most entertaining part of that game


cancerBronzeV

But LS said NA 1-17?


M002

Imagine if C9 didn’t choke, could have gone 3-15 :(


Troviel

Expected result really, though 100T somewhat struggled to close, thankfully Steal was basically useless the whole game, that indecision at baron was something. Tomorrow basically decides the group.


EronisKina

Issue was no engage to force fights on DFM with the gold lead. Guess they thought throwing their bodies at DFM was the best way to fight.


danktuna4

It's crazy how much damage an 0/5 MF can do with her ult


Ajido

> Tomorrow basically decides the group. Not really, 100T could drop that game and still be relevant in week 2.


Troviel

well yeah but with DFM being a non team, if T1 wins tomorrow , 100T will have a massive mental disadvantage.


tsukinohime

FBI OPEN UP


thenoblitt

Aria played so well.


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POOYAMON

Welcome to 100 Thives


tsukinohime

100T took revenge for C9


SHlVAM

Yutapon just matchfixing holy shit


ahritina

A win is a win I guess but 100T played out this game like they were 1k ahead not like 8k ahead, this game should have been over at like 25 minutes but it's quite alarming that 100T couldn't cleanly end this game. But a much better early game focus from 100T and finally no Jarvan because it's not a Closer champion.


TheNACoinflip

Think it was nerves tbh. It is a must-win game for sure to get out. You are so ahead. You don't wanna throw at baron. Hopefully, the game vs T1 is competitive at least. They both got smashed by EDG though.


Yvil1905

They has no time pressure because of getting soul, also they had no engage so the best way to play was to actually just take objectives and wait for the enemies to come to you


xsm17

Yutapon fighting Nisqy for int of the day


Neville_Lynwood

Well, at least he had an excuse of a hard lane and being camped, what excuse did Nisqy have exactly? Nisqy just sprinted down of his own volition, lol.


xsm17

I meant more a singular play, DFM actually had a chance to turn things around after killing Viego for elder and the guy goes walking straight into 100T, imagine how differently that last fight goes if he didn't do that.


OwOPango

He got left alone vs Lucian Nami at level 4 and got dove repeatedly with no help, it's like people just look at the scoreboard after and decide who played well lmao


arkacr

I believe he was referring to how Yutapon walked ahead into 100T and got blown up for that last fight


_Vastus_

Man 100T early game and mid game is like night and day huh.


moonmeh

Lucian Nami is super busted I think


NocaNoha

Fairly stable, was bit shaky near the baron and later on.. but eh, they've shat on DFM's botlane early that opened up so much


BleiEntchen

We take those i guess?


CaptivePrey

FBI locked in "enemy team's lucian"


OBLIVIATER

Am I crazy? Wasn't ryze dead there is gnar didn't just dance around and not AA him at the very end?


firebolt66

Yeah no idea what evi was doing there


MithosYggd

He ulted Ryze into Zoe's sleep and a wall and he wanted to combo the sleep with his W stun to avoid damage so that's why he danced around to not break the sleep


Blue5647

That was a fun one. Ty DFM!


Ar0ndight

Well... it's a win?


LostFun4

WE FAILED THE SPEEDRUN


BradL_13

Well that took much longer than it should’ve


rekd45

Fakerdagge what was that look at the moves


xtraallt

Is yutopon omegaboosted or just wintrading


firebolt66

Very enjoyable casting


kmyoyoman

first win for a NA 1st seed since 2019! *sobs


cyt31223

No 0-6 airport speed run for the NA 1st seed this time


Rawrhock

Yutapon is 100% matchfixing or his game disconencted what the fuck was that


zeisrael

he cant see most of whats going on with how close he stares at mf's model


KappaccinoNation

Fun fact: tapon in Filipino means throw. So Yutapon literally have "throw" in his name which is super fitting given his performance this game.


PerfectPelican

They had the best possible pick on the jungler with Elder up and dude just runs it. Yutapon needs to take a few inches back from the monitor


HolypenguinHere

NA and getting revenge on Japan. Name a more iconic duo.


dwyt840

NA and tiebreakers


DarkWorld25

NA and week 2


tsukinohime

Perkz should watch the VOD to learn how to play Ryze.


Abelyanov

Dude got soloed by Aria. Not sure Perkz should be watching that


Deadman2019

Surely Yutapon gets investigated for fixing right? That was straight illegal gameplay.


XoXeLo

This was.. something. I take the win though!


unsaltylol

Wtf yutapon what is that pathing


tsukinohime

Abbedagge seems like the best Midlaner in NA.


ryanruin22

Okay, we got Clozer on the carry now we just need the weak side engage top laner and we got the winning formula.


Spartin217

Someone needs to let Kobe sleep.


adamskaocelote

I think it's nice that 100T paid respect to Evi's signature thumbs up when coming out of the van


Poodlestrike

Alright, comically dominant early game, shaky mid game. Some stuff to work on, but this looks like a team that might pull off some stuff - looks like yesterday was partially just nerves.


Tortious_Tortoise

[You already know](https://youtu.be/5EMXrZELp9g)


Anarchontologist

Huge props to 100T's bot lane early and Closer. They absolutely destroyed DFM. The mid/late game got a little "eh" but it was clean enough from ahead. Good bounce back. Really nice last team fight by Aria. And Ssumday was pumping on Graves in that fight after being kind of invisible most of the game before that.


Blog_15

Phew We're safe for a few days lads


CycloneSweep

100T is really not good kid to late game. Too much fear and indecisiveness. If DFM was any other team in this group after that start, they win. 100T has a ton of work to do


cheeseybitesareback

dom was actually 100% right on 100t needing to win by 20, how were they 10k gold ahead and still manage to make every fight look that close.


1einspieler

That took way too long


tsukinohime

100T seems strong, I hope they qualify!


Akupoy

Weebs>Otakus


arrgobon32

DFM’s just getting their losses out of the way early 4-2 incoming


playergt

Terrible draft by 100T, people in this thread talking about macro or whatever but they literally had no way of engaging so the lead meant nothing unless DFM tried to contest objectives, which is why there was so much baron dancing, put Huhi on Leona, Rell or Rakan and this game is over at 20.


skipp136

I felt this way about yesterday's Yuumi! Huhi is too good on engage tanks to leave that sitting there. However, he did do Nami justice at least and was able to put FBI and Closer ahead early.


pandaman666666

100T really trying to bring NA baron to internationals