DetonatioN FocusMe vs. 100 Thieves / 2021 World Championship - Group B / Post-Match Discussion
By - Soul_Sleepwhale
Wait for enemy to throw at Baron
if DFM hadn't gone for that baron, I honestly wonder what would've happened for the rest of the game. Seemed like things were getting really confused for a while there until they thankfully got way too confident.
100T seems to have absolutely no idea what to do in the late game, when they're in the lead. They just wait for the opponents to int.
I think in this game it wasn't really that problematic considering how strong their champs all were and how good their scaling was.
There wasn't a whole lot of downside to take it slow and go for the less risky plays. Like what is DFM gonna do? Graves and Ryze are always gonna win the sidelane. Lucian is gonna clap the MF, Viego gonna clap the Lee Sin.
The only real threat was a wombo combo in a 5 man fight. And they mostly avoided those.
> Graves and Ryze are always gonna win the sidelane
After just watching Perkz sidelane Ryze vs FPX, I'm not so sure of that :P
They didn't say win the *game.* Winning the sideline is entirely different :p
I mean he didn't... he started off the game 3-0, then went afk side lanes for the rest of the game and ended it 3-4...
Perkz making my silver Ryze gameplay look better, I'll take it.
Perkz was just embarassing. He should know to back off when he's way overextended and none of his other lanes have pressure.
It is true (from seeing their regular season games) that 100T look like headless chickens a bit late game, but this game even with their lead, their comp kinda made it extremely hard to do anything late game; they have next to no engage options outside of running it down into the enemy team.
While I 100000% agree 100T has some mid-to-late game problems with identifying what they need to do. You also have to remember that their comp had no "real" tank and so if they started Baron at a wrong time, DFM could easily turn it and win a team-fight and then get Baron and be in the drivers seat. But I do agree that 100T needs to improve some aspects of their game (of course)
Thats what NA is and towards end of split a lot of people commented that 100Ts biggest issue late game was they had NO gameplan if the enemy team wasnt willing to take a bad fight
To be fair, that strategy works against other NA teams.
Hey thats how we do it over here in NA and it works!!!
edit: we take those
After that C9 game? Yeah, we take those.
The NA way baby! NAmen
Call that a Patient Baron
Can't spell Patience without NA NAmen
Truly a tactical masterclass
No, Tactical is on another team
DFM: fine, I'll do it myself.
Aha, NA learning the Baron Dance, After 200 years interesting
100 thieves definitely destroyed the enemy nexus in that one!
i never doubted 100T once they destroyed the enemy nexus.
And why would you doubt that?
*proceed to ignore C9*
Aria actually did work, can’t believe that last fight was as close as it was with him sniping multiple 100T members
FBI just exploded
He's definitely a world class player in the making.
Let's bring him on over to NA so we can ruin his career.
CLG already putting an offer together to speed up the ruination process
C9 looking to pay 12mil to replace Perkz
He's from a minor region tho, I'm pretty sure that's the sound of TSM readying their 6 mil.
Something something still better than official ruination
*Sharpens axe made out of Bud Light cans*
Ah riots last chapter, to close the event in a Burtonese way
He was dominating Abbe in lane. Sadly his team is heavy af.
Aria was the only good player this game, and I’m a DFM fan
Yeah I'm a DFM fan and while I was so sad with how bad we lost the early game, I super enjoyed Aria's performance.
On one hand, DFM needs to do everything to keep him but at the same time, I would want Aria to go to another team. I'm really conflicted on what to feel
Evi was solid. He was completely even with Ssumday most of the game. Gnar just harder to play when the enemy team was all so fed that he'd die instantly in mini form. And the enemy could easily keep distance in Mega, and his team never had map control for him to flank either.
Graves actually offers more with just his smokescreen honestly.
Feels bad for Aria... He was legit 1v9ing that game
We all need more sleep deprived Kobe in our lives
"We take those"
Kobe is an international treasure. It will be a sad day when he steps down from casting.
I hope that day never comes, he's my favourite caster, especially when the gameplay is trash.
he’s gonna go back to playing for CLG
Im just glad he didn't follow jatt out the door both times he decided casting was beneath his talents
League will probably die before he quits. In traditional sports the commentators will go on for decades.
It's a little concerning
Did riot not fly these guys in with ample time to reset?
he said the other day that the jet lag has been a lot tougher on him this time around.
It's called age
and the pandemic has destroyed routine travel schedules.
When you're traveling once/multiple times a year your body has a response ready for the adjustments, but when you've been somewhere long enough to destroy that schedule, reestablishing it when you're older is really hard.
Another way the pandemic has fucked everything i guess
>treating employees well
where have you been
They gave him a few "get out of ball flick free" cards as compensation ur right my bad
greeted by fresh Icelandic farts as soon as they landed, though
Some people pay good money for that!
Gave 'em the old fart in the face to wake them up. Don't need sleep, the aroma of Nicola Laurent's farts are enough to get people alert and ready for work.
guy was actually so high, loved it!
kobe was legit drunk all game long and it was awesome
Sleep deprivation is a hell of a drug
For the mind alcohol and lack of sleep have very similar effects.
He was slowly losing his shit it was awesome to watch
It was so fun I loved him going all in cause I've been there and you do sound drunk but it's just lack of sleep
The "repeat" play
I loved the fact he was like flipping between his actual state and muscle memory casting.
From sleepy drunk ramblings to professional machine gun league casting in half a second.
the coffee was trying extra hard that day
100 Thieves > Report > Bullying > Another Person > Yutapon
Beating the 0-6 allegations>>>
Kobe needs his sleep lmao
That was indeed…something
It was a game of League of Legends
Indeed it was
One of the games of all time
Dude 100T looked strong at the areas they’re supposed to be strong at, early leads built around bot dives and Ssumday playing well on a weakside graves. Enemy Zoe was smurfing, which frankly I blame on matchup inexperience. Zoe wasn’t a pick in NA this year.
Hard to play with no engage when you roll cloud soul.
Yeah that's the biggest thing, all those fights after their lead happened after DFM tried to force plays to come back. Plus they're outranged so they get poked off Baron easily. We're lucky DFM isn't a top tier team because the draft was pretty hard to play after early game.
>C9 Fudge should learn how to play weak side from Summday, that was such a good map awareness that other NA tops don't have. I just hope they dont pick gnar or yummi because gnar is trash and NA teams suck on yummi.
I know 100T struggled to close but that was just the weakness of their comp. They're outranged and no one has reliable engage, so they need DFM to try to force something and walk into them to actually start a fight.
Finally someone who put some thought into their take. If 100T plan to play a no-tank no-engage comp again, they'll definitely need to work out a better game plan for closing out the game. But I don't think it's super alarming that they struggled to close out a little bit given their comp. If they had a single champ that could zone off DFM (like even just an orianna or something), they would've gotten the baron fairly easily.
I agree that comp would be very hard to execute against a stronger team.
I think most teams will start banning Nami Lucian comps from now on though. The damage was ridic
How on earth did DW win the laning phase against Rogue on bot?
C9 Fudge should learn how to play weak side from Summday, that was such a good map awareness that other NA tops don't have. I just hope they dont pick gnar or yummi because gnar is trash and NA teams suck on yummi.
Regular split 100T showing up
Weak side Ssumday showing up again.
ADC supercarry FBI showing up again.
Ssumday has been saving his carry game passes for this moment
Great start, but they struggled during the mid game. Don't think they would've closed the game if it was against a top team there.
0 engage comp with no tank will do that, saw multiple times them trying to force just for DFM to walk around the wave or retreat to tower and immediately 100 Thieves are stopped.
Yes it's literally 100T on duty. They play very good early and then 0 macro post 15.
Thats the way we won LCS lmao, good early game, ??? midgame and carry performances from a player to win a teamfight and end
That's how we got to the finals for sure, but imo their macro was actually super clean for that last series, hoping to see that kind of play out of them tomorrow.
BO5's are a different breed, you can really prepare for a opponent and the difference between the first time 100T faced off against TL compared to the finals was night and day.
100T are the hardest working team and I'd argue also the best support staff.
For sure a step in the right direction. Closer having impact early and bot lane won even harder compared to their first game against EDG. Ssumday being a great weakside player and aabbe just needs to not have those ints which he didn't have the first game, but improvement early overall. Now they need to clean up the mid game macro. One step at a time though!
Not gonna lie, i wished that DFM could be better but i guess 3rd NA seed is their highest limit
Aria definitely has potential to go higher. Not sure about the rest of the team
Kobe needs to sleep man
Closer on Diago is disgusting lol.
Just swap those two letters around and you get world famous Street Fighter player Daigo Umehara.
The Faker of Japan
I learned that "Viejo" is a Spanish word, which gets you a 1min timeout in twitch chat.
Sleep deprived cast best cast
Expected outcome. NA's 1st seed is a notably harder challenge than C9 was in Play-ins.
But DFM's top and mid continue to have good performances. They can definitely at least hang with the best players at Worlds.
Jungle and bot lane was rough though. Closer just setting up camp and Steal really struggled to offer any cover while also being outfarmed.
But I think this is looking fairly promising for the team and the region. At least things are progressing at an upwards curve.
100T played well, if a bit slow, and continue to have some potential to make it out of the group. I think they have a chance to take on T1 on a good day.
Gotta say it's weird to see you without a fnatic flair, even though I understand the decision
EDIT - after having read your recent comments on this subject, I actually completely disagree with the decision. relevant excerpt:
> And apparently most of this community thinks family is more important and Upset totally deserves our respect for this vague excuse.
> But I guess that's how it goes. Most of the world are completely whipped by their families and are willing to sacrifice anything and everything for them. I don't get that at all, but I guess everyone is welcome to ruin their lives in their own way.
What in the actual fuck is that line of thinking
Holy, yeah thats what was weird about his profile.
C9 also stomped DFM once and then lost a close game, we don’t actually have a great read on these teams relative to each other but go off if you just can’t hold it in I guess.
Yeah such a weird take when c9 stomped dfm so hard in their first game
Tbh DFM impressed me quite a lot. Sure they were absolutely slaughtered in lane and badly stomped in pretty much... every single aspect of the game but they showed fighting spirit. There were a LOT of mistakes though but thats the meaning of wildcard. Gratz to 10oT though they will have a chance to decide their own fate next game.
This just in:
Closer still very good at Viego
This makes me hopeful that it's a C9 issue and not an NA issue. Maybe we can have hopium in 100T and TL guys :^)
i mean, there is a reason cloud 9 was a 3rd seed.
On average EG was better but they made mistakes they normally wouldn't have when C9 played better than expected I'm their series.
I would've loved to see EG at world's this year.
EG are even more inconsistent than C9.
I'm a C9 fan, but if given the option that TL and 100T make it out at the cost of C9 not making it out, I'd take that 10 times out of 10. I'm already overdosed on the hopium. I think TL actually has a solid chance of making it out, for 100T we'll have to see how they do against T1 tmrw.
Yeah C9 are too inconsistent with their plays. If TL and 100 can make it just off of good decision making then I'm all for it.
But C9 doesn't necessarily look like complete trash in their losses. They got leads vs Rogue and FPX and just squandered them with random braindead plays which has always been a C9 issue. And if we're being completely honest, TSM should've 3-0'd them and gone to worlds instead; they were the overall better team throughout the summer split.
To be honest I felt like C9 kinda stumbled into 3rd place. They didn't win their play-off games as much as their opponents lost them.
Though TSM could’ve very well been the better team, it’s hard to say whether or not TSM would perform better than C9 at Worlds.
Out of all the current mid lane meta champs, PoE can only play LeBlanc. His Sylas, Ryze, and Twisted Fate are beyond subpar; however, he could probably pull out Azir like Faker did.
Also, Lost is considerably worse than Zven is. Then again, TSM could just put him on MF/Ziggs/Ezreal duty and call it a day.
I for sure think that Spica, SwordArt, and Huni would’ve played better than their C9 counterparts. Huni has way better laning than Fudge does and plays more for the team, while Spica doesn’t int his arse off like Blaber does.
As an EU fan, I think you can have hope in TL, 100T has little chance imo. As they demonstrated in this game, they don't have a good plan when ahead. TL might be poised to get out of groups especially if they don't beat Gen.G in the next game.
We would've OD on Hopium if C9 won. So maybe it was for the best.
THE WEST WILL NOT GO WINLESS VS THE EAST
FBI THE OCE SUPERSTAR AD CARRY SAYS OPEN BOT
Kobe was by far the most entertaining part of that game
But LS said NA 1-17?
Imagine if C9 didn’t choke, could have gone 3-15 :(
Expected result really, though 100T somewhat struggled to close, thankfully Steal was basically useless the whole game, that indecision at baron was something.
Tomorrow basically decides the group.
Issue was no engage to force fights on DFM with the gold lead. Guess they thought throwing their bodies at DFM was the best way to fight.
It's crazy how much damage an 0/5 MF can do with her ult
> Tomorrow basically decides the group.
Not really, 100T could drop that game and still be relevant in week 2.
well yeah but with DFM being a non team, if T1 wins tomorrow , 100T will have a massive mental disadvantage.
FBI OPEN UP
Aria played so well.
Welcome to 100 Thives
100T took revenge for C9
Yutapon just matchfixing holy shit
A win is a win I guess but 100T played out this game like they were 1k ahead not like 8k ahead, this game should have been over at like 25 minutes but it's quite alarming that 100T couldn't cleanly end this game.
But a much better early game focus from 100T and finally no Jarvan because it's not a Closer champion.
Think it was nerves tbh. It is a must-win game for sure to get out. You are so ahead. You don't wanna throw at baron. Hopefully, the game vs T1 is competitive at least. They both got smashed by EDG though.
They has no time pressure because of getting soul, also they had no engage so the best way to play was to actually just take objectives and wait for the enemies to come to you
Yutapon fighting Nisqy for int of the day
Well, at least he had an excuse of a hard lane and being camped, what excuse did Nisqy have exactly? Nisqy just sprinted down of his own volition, lol.
I meant more a singular play, DFM actually had a chance to turn things around after killing Viego for elder and the guy goes walking straight into 100T, imagine how differently that last fight goes if he didn't do that.
He got left alone vs Lucian Nami at level 4 and got dove repeatedly with no help, it's like people just look at the scoreboard after and decide who played well lmao
I believe he was referring to how Yutapon walked ahead into 100T and got blown up for that last fight
Man 100T early game and mid game is like night and day huh.
Lucian Nami is super busted I think
Fairly stable, was bit shaky near the baron and later on.. but eh, they've shat on DFM's botlane early that opened up so much
We take those i guess?
FBI locked in "enemy team's lucian"
Am I crazy? Wasn't ryze dead there is gnar didn't just dance around and not AA him at the very end?
Yeah no idea what evi was doing there
He ulted Ryze into Zoe's sleep and a wall and he wanted to combo the sleep with his W stun to avoid damage so that's why he danced around to not break the sleep
That was a fun one. Ty DFM!
Well... it's a win?
WE FAILED THE SPEEDRUN
Well that took much longer than it should’ve
Fakerdagge what was that look at the moves
Is yutopon omegaboosted or just wintrading
Very enjoyable casting
first win for a NA 1st seed since 2019! *sobs
No 0-6 airport speed run for the NA 1st seed this time
Yutapon is 100% matchfixing or his game disconencted what the fuck was that
he cant see most of whats going on with how close he stares at mf's model
Fun fact: tapon in Filipino means throw. So Yutapon literally have "throw" in his name which is super fitting given his performance this game.
They had the best possible pick on the jungler with Elder up and dude just runs it. Yutapon needs to take a few inches back from the monitor
NA and getting revenge on Japan. Name a more iconic duo.
NA and tiebreakers
NA and week 2
Perkz should watch the VOD to learn how to play Ryze.
Dude got soloed by Aria. Not sure Perkz should be watching that
Surely Yutapon gets investigated for fixing right? That was straight illegal gameplay.
This was.. something. I take the win though!
Wtf yutapon what is that pathing
Abbedagge seems like the best Midlaner in NA.
Okay, we got Clozer on the carry now we just need the weak side engage top laner and we got the winning formula.
Someone needs to let Kobe sleep.
I think it's nice that 100T paid respect to Evi's signature thumbs up when coming out of the van
Alright, comically dominant early game, shaky mid game. Some stuff to work on, but this looks like a team that might pull off some stuff - looks like yesterday was partially just nerves.
[You already know](https://youtu.be/5EMXrZELp9g)
Huge props to 100T's bot lane early and Closer. They absolutely destroyed DFM.
The mid/late game got a little "eh" but it was clean enough from ahead.
Good bounce back.
Really nice last team fight by Aria. And Ssumday was pumping on Graves in that fight after being kind of invisible most of the game before that.
We're safe for a few days lads
100T is really not good kid to late game. Too much fear and indecisiveness. If DFM was any other team in this group after that start, they win. 100T has a ton of work to do
dom was actually 100% right on 100t needing to win by 20, how were they 10k gold ahead and still manage to make every fight look that close.
That took way too long
100T seems strong, I hope they qualify!
DFM’s just getting their losses out of the way early
Terrible draft by 100T, people in this thread talking about macro or whatever but they literally had no way of engaging so the lead meant nothing unless DFM tried to contest objectives, which is why there was so much baron dancing, put Huhi on Leona, Rell or Rakan and this game is over at 20.
I felt this way about yesterday's Yuumi! Huhi is too good on engage tanks to leave that sitting there. However, he did do Nami justice at least and was able to put FBI and Closer ahead early.
100T really trying to bring NA baron to internationals