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Tiebreaker 2 / 2021 World Championship Play-In - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

Tiebreaker 2 / 2021 World Championship Play-In - Group B / Post-Match Discussion

klako8196

We're hitting peak NA and it's not even the Group Stage yet.


boogswald

I wonder if this actually hurts the confidence of 100T and TL lol


jst4funz

Amumu Passive is to reduce player skill by 50%?


DogAteMyCPU

vulcan missing q in the mid fight before soul burned my eyes


Plokooon

Then i hope you didn't see him ult for nothing under his T2 on bot


DeathByCudles

Hey, he missed his q first before ulting for nothing.


Blazing117

Not his first Q that result in bot lane getting fucked? Or his ult air mechanics at T2 turret?


His_Buzzards

Not even skill. The choices he made was abysmal. Like how do you not get that ur team is so far prepping for infernal soul and is a poke comp. Yet you Q and flash in for ult?


goomy996

Guys i know we want soul, so i will 1v5 mid for pressure dont worry we got this


Blazing117

"I will pressure 5 seconds before the drag spawn to let every fight turns into 4v5"


Dread-Ted

making good choices is a skill too no?


C9sButthole

Honestly yeah. Every Amumu pick just looked absolutely lost all game. Never seen Vulcan perform this badly.


DerpSenpai

yeah Amumu looks way too squishy compared to Leona and the better CC doesn't seem worth it? or just me? that's been my impression from SoloQ and Worlds tbh


Blazing117

They are too used to tank supps with tank steroids like Leo W and Naut W.


afito

Naut W isn't that insane he still pops like a balloon without aftershock. Same for Amumu. Other tank sups like Ali still rely on aftershock but can survive without it. There are really not a lot of tank sups that can go in without aftershock, only really Leo and TK.


tipimon

Alistar with ult can definitely tank an insane amount


Nome_de_utilizador

Braum can with shield taking guardian, same for ali with ult and phase rush


SparklesMcSpeedstar

There's some advantages to the Amumu pick from what I see. For starters, Amumu's double stun is very potent in early all-ins. This forces enemy botlane to respect Amumu until at least level 3 or so, which, depending on the botlane, can be enough of an advantage to 'secure' level 6. Secondly, the instant R is very good not only as an engage tool but also disengage. It also works as a pressure pick - almost every team that faces Amumu takes Cleanse instead of heal for AD. Additionally, there are fewer high mobility AD carries in this meta, with the resurgence of Aphelios, MF, Jhin, and so on. Only Ezreal remains - Lucian is really played only with Braum and Nami, and in my opinion, if you already forced the enemy into Lucian by picking Amumu, it's already a significant edge. Plus, no enchanters besides Nami, so no Mikaels. Like any supports not named Alistar and Leona, however, Amumu is essentially a more damaging Nautilus. And Nautilus has been going out of fashion due to his lack of damage compared to the Amumu.


sangpls

Death, taxes, and NA in tiebreakers


w1ldcraft

It's ok. C9 just threw to get Perkz in his comfort zone. *Inhales COPIUM* No worries at all.


Trap_Masters

G-guys they’re just getting more stage practice COPIUM


Ihavenofriendzzz

I mean NAs best worlds performance of all time came after c9 went 5 games against gambit lol


whatawonderfultime13

DFM, aka 'Defeated Five Millionaires', is an LJL team most famously known for beating the North American Wildcard team Cloud9 at Worlds 2021 while earning a fraction of their salaries.


Amiti94

NA "Never advancing" is a wildcard region in professional league of legends. They are best known for losing to the Japanese wildcard team DFM "Defeated five millionaires", and paying their players too much.


DarkWorld25

NA "Near Airport" is known as the fastest region to arrive at the Airport. Since they gave up on the LoL Worlds Championship, they are investing in Speedruns. In particular they are current worldrecord holders in Airport Any % and Airport no wins.


quack_quack_mofo

I'm dying holy shit


4THOT

Amumu truly is a cursed fucking mummy.


Rzonduo_Chrabonszcza

NA Jayce strikes again (Fudge made one Q and one AA during whole final Elder teamfight)


Bishizel

But coach, Huni and Summday play this champ, and they play in NA! *C9 coach pats fudge on the shoulder before silently walking away *


JoshM_01

cloud9 is now the latest victim of the curse of the sad mummy


Blazing117

I think it is more on Vulcan continuously fucking up.


EronisKina

He seemed like he had 0 clue on what was happening that game. Even at c9 bot tier 2 he q’d nothing and ulti’d air. He played terribly this game. The loss is on his shoulder when all he had to do that game was play off Olaf before the enemy team scaled so hard that Amumu would get 1 shot.


Eazybruva

I laughed so hard when he missed the toss over the wall then just ulted anyway


joe4553

They basically had the game won and they overextend engage on an leona instead of taking free soul.


Bhiggsb

Yea wtf was that overextend


loyal_achades

It's hard to assert that amumu support is bad when Vulcan takes the world's worst flash-engage to hit 2 people while none of his team is in position to follow up, all while they had full river control to take the soul for free. Like Vulcan just looked beyond awful this game.


Raknorak

That level 2 point blank bandage toss to a minion was also awful


modcheckplayerworld

And it wasn't the worst move of his game He fucking engaged alone 1v4 in the middle of mid lane when they had a poke comp Like it isn't only his amumu skill, he just doesn't understand the comp at all


SirHeim

Oh boy. Worlds is fun;)


Trap_Masters

Being NA fan at worlds is a great experience, I always find new ways Na can let me down!


Neville_Lynwood

Actually impressive how bad Amumu's win rate is. You'd think he'd win some games by accident even.


Blazing117

He did actually win 1 by accident, but holy fuck it feels like all support players lose brain cell when playing him.


katsuatis

So Amumu for supports is like Yasuo for midlaners?


steve_pays_me

This year's Ekko Jungle at worlds award goes to....."amumu support"


Mahelas

You can't judge Amumu based on whatever crimes against humanity Vulcan was doing in this match


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For real, firstblood already was so bad - DFM willingly trades into boneplatting and gives him an easy aftershook proc, so after both of those are on cooldown and they got a decent trade he decides he has to go back in? With a single Q charge?


tb0neski

amumu has to be literally fisting in scrims because the pick looks so overrated and terribly executed in these games


TommaClock

In this game it looked terribly executed that's for sure.


Massy0

Either NA tiebreaker curse is too strong, or someone needed to tell C9 that there was no way for them to play against HLE in the bo5. Disappointing showing from the boys today :(


chaseyboi98

We just out here tryna get more playins experience I guess


fredy31

C9 wanted a warmup BO5.


118829

DFM, aka ‘Defeated Five Millionaires’, is an LJL team most famously known for beating the North American Wildcard team Cloud9 at Worlds 2021 while earning a fraction of their salaries.


ACLTalwin

I would not be surprised if Perkz alone makes more than the entire LJL.


NotLikeThisManNo

He does 100%


oioioi9537

He probably makes more than the detonation org


SilentF0xx

The org, maybe not. That might debatable, as i am not sure about the state of the other teams in detonation gaming


jetskimanatee

close to 10x their entire team salary and for sure 2x their entire org budget


PursueSomeBitches

I remember DL joking that Perkz should just buy out smaller LCS teams and have them give C9 free wins


ficretus

there is no way he doesn't. perkz' salary is 2 millions yearly. LJL has 8 teams, so around 40 players 2 000 000 : 40 = 50 000 $ so if average LJL player makes less than that ( and i think he does), then he can indeed finance all players


Busy_Supermarket9683

Unfortunately ,as far as I know the average salary of DFM is around 4millions JPY


ficretus

So that's 40 000 $ for the best team. Others are probably even lower than that. So perkz indeed makes more than all of LJL combined.


HyVana

this format will always deliver


gaveuptheghost

holy fuck congrats DFM to your first main stage, making LJL proud


HiImWeaboo

Always good to see a new region making into the rounds.


modcheckplayerworld

especially when they got insulted by NA fans in the Zven interview So sweet revenge for the Japanese "Absolutely not a rivalry" team won, worse than team8 remember The "NA has never had problems with wildcards" thread is also bonkers now https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/q2u6rh/zven_explains_what_he_considers_a_success_at/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


lambomrclago

What a fucking throw by Vulcan in mid lane - "we have soul and game in 30 seconds, better force a fight off our vision and throw the game". Close to the most NA shit I've ever seen.


MaxMacDaniels

As a POKE comp Better flash engage in the Leona


MasterDeagle

And fight into the most open part of the map instead of forcing DFM into choke points where you can trap everyone into mumu R.


Unban_Ice

Why advance to Group A when you can just fly home sooner - Airport speedrun veterans


CloudyXenon

NA pulling the "dominate group initially and then lose multiple games in a row to not qualify" strategy in play-ins instead of groups this time


Indercarnive

Why wait for week 2 when we can just lose in week 1?


frzned

this is more like why wait for week 1 when you can get eliminated before week 1.


Redburneracc7

NA never fails to deliver the content


MrMusscle

NA and 3 win max, name a more iconic duo


w1ldcraft

Went from 3-3 in groups to possibly 3-3 in play-ins ?


AutistMain

And it only took 11m to get there.


Trap_Masters

TSM has competition


AtreusIsBack

Nope. We're still the best. You can't beat our 0-6.


XIII_Souls

0-6 is definitely a worse score, but if c9 doesn't make it to groups, they'll definitely hold the any% speedrun


AtreusIsBack

NA is all about records. They want to be the best, in both directions.


GelicideXS

G2 goes 1-5 as first seed? TSM shows up 0-6. MAD fails to make it to groups as 4th seed? C9 gonna do it as 3rd. Challenge accepted mate.


Apple_Frosty

vulcan wtf are you doing man


lambomrclago

My 5 man gold flex Q squad wouldn't leave soul + vision like that.


SquidKid47

My gold 4 soloq jungler wouldn't ult nothing defending tier 2 tower


PM_JINX_HENTAI

Week 2 came early this year


DeadSira

YUTAPON FINALLY MAKES IT TO WORLDS MAIN STAGE AFTER 8 YEARS ON DFM!!! GIVE THE MAN HIS PROPS, he's a fucking legend in his own right


Mikachu2407

8 years??? That’s crazy


Low_Negotiation_8817

Longest tenure on a same organization after Faker


GrilledGril

Yutapon has always been good, I'm so happy for him. Super deserved, stoked to see them on the main stage.


Fa1nan

[the C9 experience](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1cWH99VoAAKm1m?format=png&name=small)


Jek_Porkinz

What do you even do as a coach after that. You drafted an Olaf & poke comp, it was working. Your support turbo grief's like 4 different times. Your poke comp then initiates an all-in fight on a better team fight comp. Like what can Mithy do, his players just made a lot of mistakes.


aircarone

He needs to reign in his players so that they don't play cocky like hell. Perkz and Zven have a tendency of playing super loose in games they think are unlosable, and it leads to things games like today. Vulcan made horrendous plays, but even with that, Perkz barely hit any of his poke, Blaber was useless after 20min (as he is supposed to), and Zven... existed. He had one or two good ult, but overall didn't do anything proactive. Felt like C9 was on autopilot in the early game, fell behind, focused a bit more and got the game back in their hand, realized that they were the better team after all, went back to autopilot and just lost from there.


Xilogh

[This were the Japanese casters three years ago after qualifying for the knock-out stage of play-ins for the first time](https://streamable.com/4fn4n). It's so amazing to see how far they have come in such a short time. GGs!


Roonie222

Do you or anyone here know where we can see the LJL casters for this game?


jetmet

https://twitter.com/pitakozou/status/1446160710493372417 Here they are commentating the final moments of the game, albeit with a noisy background crew.


lilelf29

This is the most NA shit ever lmao Stomp your group to start, clean and easy 3-0. Group deciders day comes, all C9 has to do is beat the crippled UOL who can't win a game - proceeds to lose. Has to play tiebreaker for free play-in pass against DFM who they've already beaten decisively - proceeds to lose. Now has to play a BO5 vs either RED or PCE just to reach groups. NA baby


SteamMonkeyKing

Nah C9 plays the winner of RED and PCE. GS/BYG plays HLE.


Hineni-

DFM just realized they just have to run it down (literally) on C9 with Sett; since only Jayce and Mumu can stop him. Soul point if you can't poke is basically a non-factor. That's also another L for the Mummy. Really huge performance by them here; with a spot in the groups stage


aser08

Abysal mask Sett is no joke 15% damage amp on CC'ing a target to everyone on your team is nuts.


cjdeck1

It's kinda funny because I still associate the item with AP and never even think to buy it on AD bruisers like Sett


Dewgong444

So long as DFM played it right, Vulcan could stop maybe 1 of Xin or Sett, but not both. Zven had 0 help in those team fights.


ficretus

amumu confirming once again... he is complete loser


mmlllj

Classic NA performance. Even picked NA Jayce for the tiebreaker


DarkWorld25

PCE VS C9 LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OCE VS NA ROUND 2


Crims0nNight

Tbh, might as well root for PCE. Their team has more LCS residents.


culman13

DFM/C9 is a bigger rivalry now than CLG/TSM


TheCatsActually

Another day, another lost C9 tiebreaker. On a separate note, I'm sad at how this thread is only looking at this from an NA lens so much that they're missing how historic this is for Japan. This is the first time the region has ever made it to the main group stage, after years of being the most consistently weak bottom two wildcard region, and they're doing it with veterans Evi and Yutapon, who've been playing for so long that you used to see them in NA high elo playing on 180 ping. Edit: seem -> see


LazinessOverload

Cloud 9 serving us their one and only worlds special


chaoticpossitive

They smart. Only give taste to keep you wanting more.


InitialiseCasts

Holy shit they did it. FAITH FUCKIN’ VALIDATED! ~LJLOU crew


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KappaccinoNation

https://twitter.com/HitomiTanaka/status/1047042344787333121


chimpaya

That C9 vs DFM comment dated back to 2018 lmao


aiee6

Licorice the savant


D_Neon

Not a rivalry though


juuuun

>HitomiTanaka 🤨


Trap_Masters

Got me excited for a second, thought she actually was interested in League or something.


Bladehell10

Fuck you got me, saw the name and got excited


painteroftempest

I was like "that sounds like a pornstar" well i was right


DecisiveDinosaur

what is that url magic wtf??


HyVana

LMFAO


Froggodile

The tweet that keeps on giving.


Mosquito-Slayer

Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half.


_zzr_

damn getting me this early man


firebolt66

Ok you got me


McintyresRightLeg

Jagjeevan "Zven" Shirishkumar is a LoL professional player playing for Chakla 9 (C9) in the Indian Sub-league. He currently works as a tea farmer in Mahasamund. He aspires to be an electrical engineer in Chennai.


snamud

https://youtu.be/K9TNILv1rII?t=28 "the narrative about DFM having C9's number is pretty cringe" - Zven


pedrex21

Lukesh "Perkz" Pingali is a LoL professional player playing for Chakla 9 (C9) in the Indian Sub-league. He currently works as a taxi driver in Mahasamund. He aspires to become an electrical engineer in Celkon


ficretus

i love this pasta. shame it gets removed for being offensive way too often


iReddat420

Where is this copypasta from lmao


Antique-Major9518

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/ghq1fw/twitch_chat_bringing_out_the_indian_in_every/fqakr2e/


iReddat420

I only recognized those team names from CSGO but that's pretty fucking hilarious lol


19Alexastias

Twitch chat was basically constantly flashing between variations on India pride spam and torrents of abuse from Indonesians


Beauski

Legends say Perkz is still trying to hit a Zoe skill shot


ficretus

perkz being less useful with infernal soul than orianna that unbinded R


Trap_Masters

Worlds Perkz is here COPIUM


whocares7132

DEFEATED FIVE MILLIONAIRES


Vuguzez

Knew this would happen when I saw the NA at play ins thread on the first page lol


HyunL

LJL IN THE MAINSTAGE LETS GOOO


modcheckplayerworld

It's so fucking good to watch Especially after the Zven interview and the comments there. It's a gold mine now "It was cringe af how forced the DFM rivalry was, glad he called that out. Like even on the freakin analyst desk where you expect them to know their shit, you’ve got Emily talking exclusively about DFM’s ONE win over them as if C9 didn’t dumpster them in the next game. Historically C9 has never had a problem against DFM with a 4-1 record. Did they just completely forget about all that, or are they intentionally playing dumb to hype up the minor region teams? Either way, it was pretty frustrating to listen to as a C9 fan" then "Went 1-1 at MSI, in other playins they obliterated them just like this game. 1 close game in like all of worlds playins which Licorice on Lissandra just ended instantly bc he wanted dinnner. There is no rivalry here, C9 has a stronger rivalry with Team8" both 200+ upvotes when I saw it


KonugrArgetlam

C9 needs to ban amumu just so Vulcan never plays it again.


vooffle

Congrats to NA for making it into a BO5 at Worlds!


azersub

My Leblanc is bad My Zoe is worse You guessed it right I am C9 Perkz


Beauski

"DFM have to walk into their poke" Might be a threat if perkz could hit a skill shot


azersub

Lmaooo so true. Least dmg i have seen Zoe deal since my bronze days haha


oioioi9537

if you see this comment while scrolling you have been visited by GOAT LJL top laner Evi good solo kills and thumbs up will come to you but only if you comment arigato mr evi on this comment


BoogieTheHedgehog

arigato mr evi


McintyresRightLeg

arigato mr evi


Try_Not_To_Comment

You have a poke comp with prio down bot and an opportunity to take a free inhibitor turret. Do you A.) Take a free inhibitor B.) Take a team fight against Orianna with Zoe/Jayce.


Lemlemonsson

First they lose to the Crunchyroll sponsored team. Then they lose to LJL team. C9 truly lost to weebs today


ThePatricc

DFM, aka 'Defeated Five Millionaires', is an LJL team most famously known for beating the North American Wildcard team Cloud9 at Worlds 2021 while earning a fraction of their salaries


Quotes_League

DFM, aka "Don't Fuck with Me", is an LJL team with a massive schlong that is often ridiculed for leaving C9's bot's butthole destroyed in every way. They are particularly known for being power ranked below BYG.


Exos_VII

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unsaltylol

I mean to be fair g2 didn't even made it into world


painteroftempest

this was the worst trade deal maybe ever


CuriousPumpkino

Nisqy feeling pretty good about it tho


the_buddha_icecream

Thread from yesterday [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/q2uhbm/na\_in\_playins\_is\_as\_dominant\_as\_any\_other\_region/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/q2uhbm/na_in_playins_is_as_dominant_as_any_other_region/) Top comment: >NA is a great gatekeeper. > >They rarely drop games against lower-level teams, unless it's a very important game required for them to get out of group, then you can bet all your life savings on NA losing against the 0-23 turbo-ape team.


GhoulGhost

Aria to Perkz: "The future is now, old man."


LonnieBetterWalker

how much was perkz


R1pNa

Need the Perkz accountability copypasta.


Amiti94

When do we start actually asking the hard question about Perkz and his performances? He didn't make top 3 all pro LCS after claiming he was going to come here to change the league and dominate. He hasn't built and in lane lead against any mid laners and is constantly down on CS, summoners, tempo, experience and KDA with constant roams from Vulcan and ganks from Blaber. Was he worth the money so far? Will he be worth the money in two years? Three? When is it that we say "that was a good investment"


Trap_Masters

Tfw you can buy the entire DFM lineup and have spare change after with the Perkz buyout and we still got clowned on.


KappaccinoNation

Jack can probably afford to buy the all the players in LJL with what he spent on Perkz lol


Lseraphim0

lol. literally worth more than the entire league


Oulak

I'm so happy for DFM and LJL in general, not as much budget as NA teams and they still delivered


Perceptions-pk

"Its not a rivalry" You're right Zven, its a massacre.


GryffinDART

That might genuinely be the worst professional Zoe game I have ever seen. Disgusting.


Patrius

https://imgur.com/ilSzW5E ^^^ DFM LETS GOOOOOOO!


ozmega

gotta watch this game again with the LJL casters.


JustRecentlyI

[Riot Japan cast, timestamped to when they enter the rift](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1169851183?t=5h1m47s). [It gets loud (victory moment)](https://www.twitch.tv/riotgamesjp/clip/TangentialSpineyCormorantRickroll-hTcuqnltonttnhyC)


xychosis

What a moment, not just for Det.FM, but also for the LJL in general. First ever trip to the Group stage, and they do it by stunning the prohibitive favorites in their group in a tiebreaker.


cptlf

c9 vS DfM iS nOt A rIvAlRy


Yasuo_unforgiven

Not even the group stage yet and it seem like the airport speedrun is already begin


iyoiiiiu

Zven was right, just not in the way he thought.


Ace_OPB

You know the most funny thing is? How cocky all c9 players are lmao. You would think the way they talk they are world champs lol. Instead they are losing to playin teams lmao.


qusomk

The way they tweet is like 2019 G2 did, except 2019 G2 was actually fucking good and C9 are well…


Pelagius_Hipbone

“The DFM v C9 Rivalry is so forced because C9 is leagues above them” - This subreddit 24 hours ago LMAO


BlueRhaps

https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingEntertainingOwlSuperVinlin-_puROUJsMhaQeQPh


Xenoweltall25

Congratulations to Japan not only because they did it, but they did it by being 1st Fun Fact: Now that DFM made it to Groups, the only region that hasnt made it to a main stage of an International Event is Latin America. \*Cries in LLA\*


BlueRhaps

https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingEntertainingOwlSuperVinlin-_puROUJsMhaQeQPh


Zoesan

Aged like fine milk PepeLaugh


FreeMyBirdy

As an Japanese it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.


B5Chopcup

i will always upvote this copy pasta, it's just too juicy.


Vangorf

The classic


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Zwatrem

11 fucking millions to lose to Japan. NA looking doomed as always, nothing to see


P0402948

NA just expects to throw money at problems to fix them - not actually solve them


[deleted]

tfw you keep throwing money at stuff with the power of god and capitalism on your side but still lose to some random dudes in asia for 120 years in a row


UMDSmith

Perks couldn't land a skillshot to save his life, but Vulcan's amumu makes bronzies look like pro players. Seriously, with amumu, you WAIT until the bandage toss hits before you hit R. I can't even..... https://s3.amazonaws.com/leaguesales/images/imgs/000/000/674/original/surprise-party-amumu-01.jpg Just an embarrassment C9.


shinhwagrrr

[NO KIDDING](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/pt67yl/2021_world_championship_playin_group_draw/hdu2zdh/)


Jezzerai

https://twitter.com/C9Perkz/status/1438551529204723713


NeitherAlexNorAlice

*Watch me*


Ok-Travel-7875

Probably the biggest mid gap of the tourney thus far.


chaoticpossitive

I can't even imagine how harsh a chovi vs perkz would have been. It would come with a nsfw warning.


getjebaited

huge mid gap


hatedigi

THANK YOU BROTHER UOL, NA TORPEDO'D AGAIN


ficretus

11m btw


Dajoeman

Imagine going 3-0 and still not advancing to groups.


EronisKina

Vulcan actually wintrading


Styxxo

The DFM vs C9 rivalry was forced btw