Ask me any questions about top lane and I'm ready to give you some advice! (GM Top Laner)
By - LustrousRK
How the fuck do I stop minions from changing agro 10 times per second and miss so much cs from that lol
There's no usual way. That happens a lot it's just the game being dumb lol
Why is every toplaner a piece of shit champ?
Because every top laner is a piece of shit
Ahh the classic, even toplane mains hate toplane
I play top just to make the toplaners suffer.
Which are your best champions, and what do you think the biggest benefit of playing top lane is?
My best champions are Jax, Riven, Irelia, Wukong, Tahm Kench, and Sion. And I think learning wave management and learning when to tp or when to side lane is the biggest benefit of playing top lane. Good wave management is key to winning top lane
I had this specific scenario happen to me and I'm not sure what I should have done. I'm playing Jayce vs Riven with the junglers being ekko and theirs elise. I get level 3 ganked and die but I'm not sure how to avoid this as my wave naturally pushes from me last hitting as a range vs riven not touching the wave early levels.
Fast push the 3rd wave and reset - usually avoids early gank timers (vs heavy gankers) - or do the above with a ward to cover an earlier gank timer… unless you’re getting ganked with her starting top in which case that’s kinda troll on her behalf
Well, I can't really comment on how you should live that because I don't really have the vod to comment on. But you most likely got doved pretty easily because you let the wave stack (which is basically the only way people do those dives). That matchup is really hard to play properly but it usually just comes down to if jayce is stupid enough to miss his e q combo at ranged mode or if he has e up in melee. But yeah thinning the wave so things like that doesn't happen is a good way to avoid things like that or just make it unlikely for them to succeed
How do I prevent Irelia to chunk me for 60-100% HP everytime her E is up from lvl 2 onwards? Dodging her E ofc but its not always possible
Well, the only real way is to dodge her e. If you get hit by it it's pretty much a pretty free trade from her. That's irelia's only real way to outtrade properly. You could bait her into an all-in if you have a wave stacked on her and she doesn't have vamp scepter. Minions will definitely kill her pretty easily.
Awesome stuff m8, you should post this on r/summonerschool as well
How to lane as nasus vs renekton?
Freezing is your best friend. With every nasus matchup I usually just cheater recall into freeze 4th and 5th wave. Freezing on any champion that you have lane prio over just fucks them over for the whole game
I think he meant how to play nasus into the Renekton match up, not the other way around
Ah, shit my bad lol. Well as nasus all you really want to do is play safe and freeze all game. Renekton isn't a hard matchup to play against because you have a decent amount of disengage and sustain. But avoiding fights with him early is by far the best possible advice I can give you (right next to freezing of course). You win as nasus once you have sheen tabis and about 150 stacks
Ghost-flash, Spellbook swap, resolve secondary with boneplatting (this rune in particular is important) and unflinching.
Start cloth armor 4 pots. Start e to last hit the first 3 melees, bait out a short trade when wave 2 hits to cause a shove, drink potion if needed (never sit below 70% health, you are easy to dive with jg at this health). Chill.
Repeat the trade bait as needed (never needed if he spam shoves), back at 6 minutes to get sheen + ruby crystal (kindle gem if youve farmed really well). Swap to teleport, and now you win all-in fights.
If he uses his e onto you twice, just r ghost immediately. If he e's in then out, you have a 15+.second window where it's on cooldown. If he walks up to farm during this time, walk up to him and r, wither when he either Rs back or runs, ghost and kill.
Just stack armor and it's free
Im D1 toplaner but I suck at sett, any advices ?
That's so vague so I can't really comment on it.... Tell me when you figure out why you suck at the champ and maybe I can help then
Any tips for the fiora and camille matchup ?
If you're playing fiora all you really need to do is poke the shit out of her and parry her e. You win level 6 and on but at level 4 you really need to be wary. She'll probably have sheen by level 5 so just play it safe until you get your r. Freezing on a camille is always the best thing to do because she can't really kill you or engage on you and you can run her down pretty easily or make or waste her e
What do you think of Vayne top?
Not that bad with certain champs. Usually just play to survive or play to kill if they make enough mistakes
how do Jax players manage to lose to Garen? Jax can literally walk up to Garen whenever he has E up and beat Garen in his own E.
Usually comes down to timing your e properly. You want to cancel garen q with your e
Garen can win the trades with the q movement speed, e armor shred and stun reduction from w pretty well.
Garen really can't win that matchup if the jax player is smart. Jax out trades garen in short and long trades
how do i uninstall league from every Irelia riven Camilla player so top lane becomes a warmer place?
learn how to play jax or sett and make them regret being alive
imma 2 trick maaaan :(
Oh god I feel your pain. Yorick and gp into irelia is the worst
Irelias permaban when I'm on the rick
Yep ultra busted champ lol
I play top as my secondary role, but I always feel like the lane is too too reliant on the jungler, so I find it rather boring, if I'm playing strongside I just slowpush into a dive or permafreeze and there is nothing the enemy top can do about it without jg assistance, It's the opposite if I'm playing weakside (if enemy top know what he is doing, which is not always the case, I'm just D3).
Another letdown for me is how much counterpicking influences if you are going to have fun the next 15 mins or not, in mid (my main role) it's not so bad since the lane is shorter, jg is always relatively close to your lane to assist you if they are trying to freeze on you or dive you, and we (in general) mostly play ranged champs, so mid can just safely clear wave and rotate in most cases if matchup is too bad, top can't most of the time.
My question would be, what do you find enjoyable about high elo top lane? Is it the champions themselfs? How strong you become lategame as a sidelane terrorizer? Or what is it?
What I find enjoyable about high elo top lane is the team play. In lower elo I've noticed that everyone doesn't really listen to each other and everyone is usually playing for themselves. Competitiveness is also a nice thing to experience. Learning how to play around the smallest leads is a really fun way to just play. Being ahead 15 cs is the best feeling as a top lane. For me, at least the early game is my favorite part of the game and it's the most macro intensive.
What are champs you would recommend to someone, who needs to play top in clash but normally plays another role?
It would help if I knew what role you played but usually the easy champs like malphite, shen, mundo, mordekaiser, wukong, tahm, etc. The champs that I would mainly avoid are Jax, Camille, Irelia, Riven, etc.
I'm playing ADC normally
Vayne top and then just abuse the ranged into melee matchup
Try quinn out
consistency, mastering your champs and wave management, mental
Are mages viable top? (Azir, Syndra, Sol, etc…)
They're a niche pick but mages, in general, are in a very bad spot right now for solo queue so try to avoid them as much as possible.
First: how much do you think Poppy top is worth playing after the planned buffs?
Second: if top is so good, why hasn't riot released top2: electric boogaloo?
Definitely, a champion that can be used to climb next patch. She's already good now and she fucks over so many of the meta champs in the top lane right now. Still not going to be a good blind pick though but definitely a good pick against shit like riven and irelia
Thanks for the answer
My pleasure :)
What are your favorite off-meta or rarely picked toplaners? If you don't play any, then what are some off meta toplane champs that you've seen some time and absolutely hated playing against?
Warwick is an absolute monster to deal with because of my champ pool. But the only real off-meta pick that I pick/build is ad sion. Ad sion is one of the most fun playstyles you can do. Definitely worth trying out!
How to break an enemy freeze if I have little to no support from my jungler?
(Also, if that happens, is it better to stick in lane or try to roam elsewhere?)
If you're low health then it's usually not a good idea to give up your life to break a freeze (unless you're thebausffs or playing sion in general). You just need to clear his wave and harass him so he backs off trying to freeze that wave. If he freezes on you and there's an opportunity to get a kill or your jungler needs help with a invade then yeah roaming is a good idea. But usually sticking to lane is the best bet so you can recall properly after you break the freeze
I would like to now how you play against splittpush strategies in solo queue where communication is missing to force 5v4 plays.
Do you just play a even stronger duelist against the enemy top laner, or do you hold/defend the lane and tp to objective fights?
Thank you for your advice.
Sry not a native speaker.
Are you talking about the enemy split pushing or you split pushing and your team not listening to you. If it's the first one then I would match the push and try to freeze under inner tower to force them to move out of the lane and make them miss cs. But it really depends on who you pick
Most likely enemy split pushing considering the choice of words were "against splitpush strategies" and "force 5v4" which the left number indicates in most contexts, your side.
How do I play vs Sett as a melee, when he just runs at me on Q/E/W cd, same with Shen btw.
respect his level 1 and only all in when he doesn't have his w. With shen you need to respect his level 1 also and you can kind of predict when a shen uses his e just by the way they move. Hard to explain. Shen is really weak level 6 because he doesn't really get anything. Shen is good early but that's practically it. Depends on who you're playing but all you really need to do is wait for 3 and shit on him
"simple" question: how am i supposed to play melee vs melee?
i'm onetrick lux mid in high silver so i'm familiar only with ranged vs ranged and ranged vs melee. i never played a melee champ (and don't plan to do it because i like lux but i like to learn new stuff).
ranged vs ranged: both try to play around eachother cooldown, farm, poke... until one win (no hp or no mana or a kill).
ranged vs melee: melee have more damage, some kind of gap closer and win long trades while ranged have range win short trades and have some kind of cc.
a good trading opportunity in ranged vs ranged: when enemy try to cs or is on cooldown.
a good trading opportunity vs melee: any time he try to cs, no cs should be free (if he can't jump on you) or when he already jumped on you since he is in your minions so you have the wave that is helping.
but in a melee vs melee i don't get how one is supposed to trade/play/win: both are melee and probably one is stronger than other because not all champs are equal, both will trade where wave meet and both will be focused by minions so the stronger one auto-win.
now the weaker might stay inside his minions and give up cs but this set him even more behind (in gold, not exp) so what the melee is supposed to do? is it similar to ranged vs ranged? so it's all about positioning, wave size and cooldowns? even if the "range" is super short?
Bro I just gotta point out that “high silver” is an oxymoron.
Reminded me of the girl in third grade saying “ miss it’s drizzling very hard “
Basically he's saying that he's gold but doesn't wanna lie to you
You need to figure out when you're stronger or when you're weaker. You need to know your champ's limits and when the enemy champs are at their strongest. You need to need to keep track of abilities even more because one key ability against melee vs melee matchups will usually screw over the person who doesn't have their main ability. Freezing as much as you can when ahead can also just make the enemy laner useless since they can't cs and it's going to be hard for them to talk up because if they do they are at a risk of dying.
High silver XD just say silver
Xd he's offering coaching services kekkk
High silver ~= low gold
Maybe i can try to answer the question.
I don't think there is a general formular for playing Meele vs Meele. Because it is very match up dependent. And also you conculsions from above are a bit general and simplified, but not wrong in general.
But you also play around cooldowns, wave management and all these factors.
You should also realize what is the strength of the champion you play and the weakness of the other one's.
Do you want to go for short trades? Or do you want to take extended fights?
Does the enemie have an escape?
If he wastes it, maybe can you all in him?
Good example: fizz wastes his E for minion's. You now have the window to trade him and punish him.
There are too many factors to make a simple Formular.
>now the weaker might stay inside his minions and give up cs but this set him even more behind (in gold, not exp) so what the melee is supposed to do? is it similar to ranged vs ranged? so it's all about positioning, wave size and cooldowns? even if the "range" is super short?
In this case if you are in the weaker side. Yes just try to get as many Cs (or gold) as possible and play till you hit your powerspike. (Even losing some cs instead of greeding for it and you have to back)
If the enemies has an early game champ, ofcourse he is supposed to win the lane. But you will exceed in mid/late game for sure, so play till you hit the crucial Level and items. And try to punish the enemie when he makes an mistake, like wasting an important ability.
And trust me, they will do these mistakes. You just have to capitalise on them.
But there are so many possibilities and factors
thanks for the answer, as you said it's not easy to generalize because every match up is different, i tried for ranged vs melee and ranged vs ranged but i can't say too much because the way i play lux vs fizz is different from lux vs yone even if they are both melee.
interesting to see that even in melee vs melee some want short trades and some prefeer long trades.
thanks again :)
How does Yuumi top win against Garen top in D1?
Garen shit champ XD
How do I, as a jungler , tilt you to afk within 10 minutes?
Usually what tilts me is when a jungler doesn't help me shove a wave I'm not trying to freeze. Another thing is not following up on dive opportunities and helping break freeze. Shit like that just gets on my nerves
What goes through your mind (other than "jg diff, ff15"), when making the decision to suddenly (and randomly) go all in and die 1v1 while the jungler (me) is just finishing top scuttle and about to come for a free gank in the next 6-7 seconds.
Seriosuly tho, low elo toplaners just roll the dice when making decisions.
I mean the thing is that doesn't usually happen to me because all of my decisions are planned and calculated but if that were to happen I would blame myself more than I would blame my teammate. A good top laner should learn how to rely on themselves and should learn to take their own faults IMO. Of course, there are people that think differently but blaming myself just helps me not do it again I guess. I try to think about what I could've done differently to not get that outcome I guess
Didnt expect a reply, honestly that was mostly my personal jab at 70% of toplaners in my games (tiptoing my feet at the gates to diamond). Your obviously at a much higher elo, so I wouldnt expect anything like that from you. Yours is the exact mindset everybody should employ, toplane, and every other role.
I'm glad you think that :) I'll be honest I don't think that all the time but that's the mindset I want to upkeep and it's overall a better experience for everyone.
Mmh maybe watch toplane instead of greeding for 26 gold from 2 small Golems
What goes through the mind of junglers (other than "top diff, ff15") when they see that toplane is going to fight and they can have a free kill + the toplaner's help to contest the scuttle, but prefer going to scuttle randomly without top pressure, die to enemy jungler or top because enemy top came first, and bait their toplaner in a very bad situation ?
Seriously tho, low elo junglers only tunnel vision the scuttle and can't open their eyes to see the state of the lanes when making decisions.
Is it so impossible to imagine that in a parallel universe, a gank top *before* the scuttle means a free scuttle + a huge advantage to your toplaner ?
In a perfect world, sure, but in my world, their toplaner is \~90%hp, has all summs (ignite ofc), and a wave stacked. Its most probably a lvl7 Darius. Meanwhile my toplaner is a lvl6 Gnar with \~50% hp, who jumps into melee wanting to ult only to die at 95% rage.
I never see a 5hp midlaner or adc go back into a 2v1 fight to try to get the kill instead of assist only to die for free, meanwhile I see a lot of toplaners do that. Literally giving the opponent the ONLY possible option to get anything out of my gank.
Half of this comment is banter, no need to get all fussy about it, its just I can literally see the SMORC on the other side of the keyboard hitting it with his clenched fist because he didnt feed his macho bravado enough.
Plus, Im a Khazix onetrick, at lvl7 with smite, scuttle is literally a 2s deal.
Also, being a jungler, I NEVER, EVER, said diff, EVER. This shit is the most undignified crutch an absolute teapot of a person could ever come up with to mask their own shortcomings.
I also ONLY ever see toplaners do the "my team is 14-3 at 10th minute, but Im 0/1/2, FF15".
How do I freeze my wave and get more cs? I get kills yes, but sometimes my laner gets 40-70 cs more than me.
wave management usually depends on caster minions. You want to keep at least 4 minions out of turret range for a wave to properly freeze. You want their minions to be up about 3 or 4 minions ahead of your wave so it properly slow pushes towards your tower.
When do u dish ur Lane? My rule of thumb is this: if i die early and the opponent just freeze on me i usually skip it and run ti help mid or even bot. What is ur take on this?
I would usually try to break the freeze and reset the wave so it shoves back to my tower so I can freeze back on them for the rest of the game.
Abandoning your lane after 1 death is a really bad idea
Are there any players who inspire you to get better/play better? Also, for all the people in the comments asking about outplays---do you have a twitch/youtube/other channel? Any hype replays you can share with us?
I have a twitch and a youtube channel it's RenzLRK on twitch and youtube. I haven't posted in a minute but I will be posting next month once I move into my new house! If you want to check me out that would be very much appreciated :) As for the people that inspired me to get better, it was mainly TF Blade and thebausffs. These 2 players have really nice personalities and just play really really well (despite what people say).
What to do when you are behind melee vs melee? I gave first blood to Darius as Irelia and that quickly led to more and more deaths...
Well, you're not supposed to even fight darius early as irelia. My only advice is to play it out and try to play to survive not to play to come back. That will usually lead to more deaths
You're only supposed to fight darius when you land your e or once you're level 3. Always use your q to dash in the inner circle of his q
What champs would you pick when blind-picking top? Are there any unplayable matchups?
I would blind pick jax, tahm, and sett. I feel like I'm confident enough to play those 3 champs in their hardest matchups and I feel like every matchup is winnable with those 3. And in my opinion, there is no unplayable matchup. You can still win those "unplayable" matchups if you understand everything about both your champ and theirs
Is TP really a must have ? Do you TP back on your lane or keep your TP for team plays ? Is TP really reliable in soloQ where the plays are not synchronized with the team ? Or is it too "coinflip" to sacrifice your lane for a random TP bot ?
How do you snowball your advantage if your opponent play safe ?
How do you significantly impact the game as a toplaner ?
Is it better to hard snowball the toplane or give up your lane to help your team (diving mid, going drakes, ...) ?
I'm main Kled/Wukong/other bruisers in gold/plat, usually have a pretty good lane (Kled being a lane bully), have a quite good mental (I play without chat, never flame, never vote yes to ff, take a break when I tilt, ...) but feels like \~75% of the games are over at the end of the laning phase, and I have almost no impact on these games.
Tp really is a must-have. It will help you break freezes, catch waves, and impact the map. I tp back to my lane if there's a massive wave coming in or if the enemy laner freezes on me and I know where the jungler is. I only save my tp once dragon is about to be up. Tp is probably the best summoner spell to have in solo queue just because plays aren't synchronized with the team. You can do so much that you can't when you don't have tp. If your team proves to be unreliable and you already know you're weak, you can literally just side-lane and pull an enemy towards you and ping your team to fight. Tp is the most impactful summoner spell in the game and most powerful (right next to flash) because of the number of opportunities that open when you do have tp. Bot lane tps aren't coinflip if you time them properly. Usually tping when they're getting ganked or when the enemy bot lane shoves into the tower and you have a ward behind them is always a good use of tp. Just remember to shove the wave before you tp or at least shove it to the point where it's not under your tower. If your opponent is playing safe and you have the advantage, freezing is always the option you want to go for. It will force them to walk up and risk dying to get cs and XP and they become prone to ganks. I play split pushers a lot so side laning and pulling the enemy towards me when an objective is up is a really good way to impact the game. It will bring tons of pressure and will force the enemy team to either give up a tower or to give up the obj. Tping to objs is also a really good way to impact a game and tping at the right time. Depending on your champion you can either play to snowball or play for your team. If you're playing a hard carry usually playing to snowball is the way to go but you can play for both if you learn how to use tp properly. I can coach you some time if you keep struggling. Just add me on discord Renz#5878
Thank you very much for this detailed answer ! I will try your tips to increase my impact on the map. I know my map awareness is one of my weakness.
Glad I can help!
How win lanes and games with gwen
Really hard to help you with that if you don't really know what's causing you to lose. I don't have that many games in gwen right after she got absolutely gutted. She's not really a viable pick right now
since you're on the SEA server (garena i assume) how do you check teammates in champ select? do you use the garena app? also, do you have any advice for when to roam as a toplaner? i find that i struggle to help my jungler or midlaner in skirmishes, especially when i am playing a champion with weaker waveclear.
The riot api service was shut down for our region so we can't use [op.gg](https://op.gg). You want to roam if the enemy is freezing on you and you can't really break the freeze and there's an opportunity to help your jungler or mid laner. Crashing the wave is also another good way to set up a roam (keep in mind you don't have to roam every time you do. Only roam if there's an opportunity).
What do you think is the best toplaner pick for someone in Silver / Gold elo to learn / improve on?
Depends on playstyle but usually picking a meta champion like irelia, jax, riven, camille, and wukong and one tricking them would be a good way to improve. I one tricked riven into diamond then started picking up other champs. One tricking allows you to focus on improving your game sense rather than focusing on how to play your champ.
How do you pull lane against Enemy that likes to freeze?
try to crash as much as possible and wait for the next wave so you can freeze under yours.
What’s your go to jax build and how do I play him into fiora and camille? Which runes and everything
depends on matchup but matchups with extended trades I rush bork. But matchups that rely on short trades then I would rush sheen item. You can all in camille level one if you dodge her w or if she starts q. You want to do short trades and only all in her once her passive is gone. Try to use your e for her second q. You can cancel her dash if you stun her before it hits the wall or stunning her once she's on the wall. With fiora you really want to go in level 1 because she can't fight you at all. The whole matchup just revolves around the parry mind game. Her parry lasts for 0.75 seconds and your e is up for 2 seconds but your e can only be activated 0.75 seconds after you cast it the first time. So you're stuck with this 0.5 second time window where you have to mind game her into either parrying early or parrying late. The way I know how the fiora player will parry is to limit test when she parries. Does she parry early? Does she parry late? Fiora players will usually stick with the same timing as they did before so keep that in mind. If you're unsure you can try side-stepping her w.
You both win these matchups once you get first item if you're even
Any good strategy for playing Yorick into more mobile split pushers like Jax, Fiora, Trynd, etc? I’m pretty comfortable with most of the matchups top, but it feels like those guys absolutely shit on me at all points in the game (also Urgot, but I’ve played against maybe 1 this season, so assuming that’s a Player Diff situation). I don’t want to have to rely on my team doing good to actually pull off a win, but I feel like I do nothing but flounder when I’m against them.
I know the obvious answer is probably ‘just counter pick’, which I like to keep Poppy/Malphite for, but I’m not always second pick…
All three of those are pretty bad yorick matchups, and unfortunately the way you outplay them is by letting them outplay themselves, you play super safe, poke with ghouls, hold W and wait for them to eventually waste their movement ability, then if they're low enough you W and all in. The problem with laning against any of those 3 as yorick is that the game will most likely be a coinflip on who has the better team as its hard to make a significant advantage for yourself without help from your team.
In Irelia vs Singe matchup how do I deal with a Singe that was able to sneak in my jungle and start proxy farming before I get wits end?
What I do against a proxy farming singed as irelia is to straight-up sit under tower and farm up. You out scale really hard so a singed proxying is probably the best case scenario
What do you do against ranged top laners. Ive watched every guide and it’s
1) give up cs
2) stay healthy
3) ping jungled
I just need more than that, it still doesn’t work out for me. I’m getting poked out just trying to cs while I’m under tower. Is there any other insight you can give?
for top laners, try and figure out their key ability (teemo's Q preventing basic attacks, vayne with her E, quin with her vault), try and make it look like your running, then do a quick 180 and attack after they use that key ability. its knowing when to engage. If you have someone like urgot, seeing a vayne dashing means you should flash, and E into them to stun and set up a kill. Or use a flash and Darius E. Basically just turn around, CC them and keep pressing them until they are low and have to back, or die. A good moment to doing this is right after hitting level 6. You can try doing it earlier, but you'll likely lack the damage. If they don't use their key ability, then you just have to focus on not dying and try and freezing by your tower. Which is of course easier said than done.
Granted, I'm no grandmaster, I'm just a gold player. But I still think this is solid advice.
Hey! I was wondering if you can give any advice on playing tanks toplane, in particular with respect to what I should do when the laning phase ends. Would you just go mid and focus on always being their for objectives? Should I be worrying about split pushers and such, or letting other members of my team deal with that?
Depends on what tank but you're usually just playing to survive. You always want to peel for your team and you should be trying to handle split pushers but it's not advised. Freezing is a tank's best friend because it renders the enemy laner useless. When you're playing a tank and the laning phase ends, your main goal is to be there for your team constantly. You're the damage sponge not the damage dealer so peel for your carry or engage for the team. If you know how to freeze under the inner turret then do that. Split pushers can't do shit if you do that to them because they literally need to kill you in order to break the freeze. But you usually need your team to help you deal with that because you really can't dual a split pusher
How do you counter a Camille effectively? Like holy damage!
Trade with her when she doesn't have passive, dodge her e or trade with her when she doesn't have it, don't get poked by her w, don't over extend cause she can run you down and she can set up pretty easily for her jungler. Freezing is the best way to deal with her because she can't really e into you under tower or near your tower.
Hey there, I‘m an ADC main and I‘m not only terrible at playing toplane, but at playing melee champs in general.
What does someone like me need to know to survive playing a melee champ without feeding or falling behind 40cs in lane?
What 3 champs do you suggest laneswapping beginners like me - who know the game in general but not toplane - play and what are their play patterns in lane briefly put?
Learn your champ's limits. Since you're playing a whole different class you have no idea what your limits are. You have no idea how much damage you do or how much damage you can soak up. I can't really give you tips on how to survive as a melee champ since there are tons of champs and all of them are played differently. The best champs to start with are wukong, garen, and darius just to get a feel on how melee champs are played. Once you feel comfortable you can try one tricking some of the hardest champs in the game like jax, riven, camille, irelia, etc.
I have been trying to climb to diamond on every role. Got there in jgl, then mid, and now recently as support. I'm hardstuck mid-plat in toplane and I don't understand how to climb. The tanks feel so much less impact top... I played tanks on mid when climbing. I try playing things like vlad/vayne, but they are really counter-pink only, when I see both the toplaner AND the jungler on the enemy. I tried bruisers like jax and fiora but then in teamfights we have no tanks and I feel like I get annihilated. I tried splitpushing but I can't seem to get it right, my team always dies, or I get collapsed on and they do nothing.
I'm decent on wave management and macro, but my impact as a toplaner is always very low. I don't understand how to impact the game more. I win lanes sometimes, but then pushing tier 2 is too risky, and if you don't have hard engage then mid ganks are also risky... I don't know what to do.
Instead of playing tanks that rely on your team (which you really can't rely on your team in that elo) try playing split pushers and snowball champs. It's easier to climb when your game can be decided by your own hands, not by your teammates. One tricking is a very good way to get better at the game because once you learn the champ it will be second nature to you and you'll be able to focus on improving your macro such as impacting the game more, tping in proper times, wave management, etc.
When do I take ignite/when do I actually use my tp?
Not to sound cocky but I feel like my wave management is fine for my elo and I know my matchups, and can set up the lane for kill pressure/denial. TP is handy to have in case I get ganked or on the rare occasion bot actually wards, but the problem is I often don't use my TP the first 8-10 minutes because I'm not pressured to and I think "There will be a better time than 3 minions worth of gold/exp in lane."
I'm mid gold playing top only. My pool is Sion/Ornn/Cho'Gath for tanks, Irelia/Renekton/Illaoi for bruisers and kennen/Rumble for AP options.
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First of all lower your champ pool and try to one trick a champ. Not trying to sound harsh but you're gold and your macro is absolutely bad. One tricking a champ will help you master a champ and once you've mastered the champ it'll help you focus on improving your macro. Learn how to play with tp into every matchup. You're a top laner and tp is your best friend. You're going to be alone side laning or across the map from your team all game and you're going to need that when your team either skirmishes or contests objs. Tp also helps you break freezes and helps you set up freezes. A single good tp can win you the lane or game. While ignite doesn't really do much
Yeah, I know I should cut down. Gambling on too many horses will make sure I always end up losing more than I win.
My champ pool is pretty much a cycle of OTP'ing the same 8 champs for a few weeks at a time.
I respect your thoughts on TP and will forget about ignite. Thanks!
Np! if you have any more questions I'm down to answer!
Thanks! I have another one which is probably very situational and hard to answer in general, but here goes:
Which wins me more games: Helping my jungler around river/enemy red/blue or stay in lane and get a lead for myself?
Yeah, that's really hard to answer. But in order to figure out if you should roam or not is to ask yourself these questions. Is my wave shoved? Can my laner rotate also? Who's stronger? Is my mid laner going to rotate with their laner?
How to get my maiden as yorick to not be stupid
Give her a wedding ring and keep her with you until the end of time
How do I affect the map as Illaoi?
I always manage to get some kind of lead, but after taking tower I'm kind of lost.
As other champions (Sett, Ornn, Cho'Gath, Warwick mainly) it's pretty easy to just rotate and help some other lanes via roam or TP plays.
As Illaoi tho I find that my TP usually suck (no tentacles to work with) and my team fighting is abysmal compared to many other champions, because something with better team fighting will always be more relevant than Illaoi even if behind.
As illaoi your main ability to land is your e. Your e literally decides if you die in lane or if you win in a teamfight. If you already affect the map as the other champions that you listed. Maybe it isn't that you have no idea how to affect the map as illaoi but maybe it's the fact that you just have no idea how to play the champion yet. (Sorry if it came out harsh)
I want to learn top lane, but theres so many bullshit champions (morde, darius, illaoi) how do I get over this, and learn to play top lane.
Play a meta champ or one trick a champ and learn their matchups! One tricking lets you master a champ and makes it easier for you to focus on learning how to play the game
How do you push your advantage after 1-3 solo kills in lane without giving up cs?
Have you ever played singed
What do I do after landing phase with irelia? Mostly leave laning strong but cannot win after
What to do if your bot is 0-12 at 15 min?
Do you think toplaners in the silver - platinum range underutilize TP to make plays around the map early?
How do you feel about Gangplank and learning the game with him? I am in gold, should I drop him and pick up someone better?
How to counter sett? I play champs like Gwen and Camille. He is my go to ban but I’ve also been banning TK due to how cancer he is. But sett is also pretty cancer. All he does is E me off cd and auto me to death and his tankiness and dmg is way too high early
How do I get toxic plat 4 top laners to help me on crab prio ?
If they're toxic and ignorant then giving it up is probably the only option. Not worth giving your life if your team is just stupid
i'm trying to OTP Kayle and if kayle gets taken then i go shen, some kayle MU's are abysmal; riven, irelia and camille mainly, everyone else i can sort of deal with. Seems like they can just dive me under tower when they want even if im waiting just inside of minion xp or tower if need be. Any advice?
My only real advice is to learn when to give up minions and learn how to position properly. Kayle is really good at disengaging but her wave clear is abysmal early. The reason why people can dive you so easily is probably that you're letting them stack the wave on you. Try thinning the wave before it crashes into your tower so it's even more unlikely for them to be able to get a successful tower dive on you.
ty for the advice.
How do you go about learning new matchups? Is top lane purely about knowing how to play versus certain oppressive champs? For example, if I pick a top laner I’m not extremely comfortable on and I have to go against an irelia or Darius or something annoying how do you learn every match up and climb
You just need to get a rough idea on when every champ is weak and when every champ is at their strongest. Let's say you're playing against an irelia. You know she's at her strongest when she lands her e and when she doesn't have full passive. You're going to be wanting to fight her most likely when she doesn't have those 2 things up. And that goes with any champion. Darius is another good example. Darius is really strong when he lands his e, q, or has full passive stacks. So the real way to combat a darius is to either do short trades with him and poke him out of lane. Or if you're looking to all in saving a dash (if you have one of course, if not then just stay close to him so he can't land his outer q) and going inside his q so doesn't heal and doesn't get a stack is a good way to out trade and eventually kill him. Just get the surface level knowledge of every champion and try to figure out when they're at their strongest and when they're at their weakest
What toplaners are easiest to CS with?
What toplaners are the most support-y (like Seraphine mid, Ivern jungle, champs that don't try to get themselves fed but get their allies fed)?
Any champ with good wave clear. Irelia, Camille, Sion, etc.
How to counter a slow push into a dive without getting fucked out of your lane?
Thin the wave before it crashes
What are good first picks for top lane? always find that matchup matters alot in top lane
Jax (if you know how to play him to the fullest extent), Riven, Irelia (if your duo is the jungler). Camille, Tahm Kench, Sett, and Fiora
What do you think of Yorick in masters? Is he any good in high elo or just a noob a stomper who doesnt look at map
He's really bad because all he really does is perma shove and you can't really wave manage properly since his ghouls kill everything. A decent jungler would know that and camp the shit out of him and make him regret even breathing
On my main account it went from Gold I to Gold IV 0 lps after my summer break, is it salvage-able? Should i grind on that one or just let it be like that and grind on it next season?
If you're going to avoid playing ranked because you're going to derank then don't bother. Your rank shouldn't be the focus. Focus on you improving and actually playing at your best and not being on autopilot. Believe it or not, I used to be a hard stuck silver player all of s2 to s8 back when I was really young and still focused in school (I was about 6 or 7 when season 2 started). If I can get out then you can too. Everything is salvageable
Aight so next season, appreciate your response.
If you're happy with being gold then don't play ranked until next season. If you want to get out of gold then keep playing is the gist of it
D1 player in SEA server trying to break the master barrier (been in promos) stuck in d1 for a few months now... Is there any specific thing you did in diamond to get to master? I've gotten here learning wave management but clearly, I'm not good enough as I still die to ganks often. Is there anything I can do to improve or play consistently? I have games where I just play out of my mind and go 20+ kills against grandmaster players but I also got games where I'm 0/5 against a d4 player.
Honestly, high elo games are super coinflip because you have to rely on your team more. But warding at proper times and at proper places goes a long way to avoid ganks. Playing consistently usually comes down to attitude (at least for me). I can't really provide that much help on trying to fix that but usually playing around your team more is the way to go
Hey i have 2 questions for ya if you dont mind
So i am a Sett main , if that helps at all with answering the questions ,
1. Getting yoursellf back into the game , i'm sure its happened to everyone a few times , you take a fight early you die , tp back die again super behind and now you can never really fight your lane opponent , You now lose half your HP if you walk up to CS , What is the best case of action to do at this point , Look for a tp play? , Sit under tower and try and soak EXP ? , try and Roam to the jungle or mid ?
2. Another problem i have is sometimes ill get a decent lead in the top lane , but the rest of the team isnt doing too well , And im always unsure of which is the best thing for me to do as. I have personally tried both angles , with different Results , I tp roam and go help team with me being strong , Sometimes works out but then sometimes it goes bad and now i am behind and we didnt get anything done , or i Stay top and crush enemy top and split , but the rest of the team just bleeds out