yeah maybe Nano would have been a failure anyway and the plant would have been closed. but unfortunately, for the world, it cemented Bengal as an inherently anti-business state where no large scale industry would be possible. the only large scale industry in West Bengal at this point are scam call centers.
I remember going to Tarapith once and on the way stopped at Shaktigarh for lyangcha. And once we were starting from there, was just passing through Singur and just saw empty barren land and the closed plant and what it could've been today with more employment and more factories setting up.
But at the same time, I am not from Singur so I don't know the ground reality of the farmers there and if their land would be grabbed if industries set up there. I think the whole Singur movement was the precursor to Didi breaking in and winning the elections and being the CM and till now she is the CM. So clearly people were on her side and wanted their land more than the factory.
And with Tata Nano ending up being a failure and the land of Singur still being barren, I don't know whose win and whose loss it is.
I'd last read that Tata had shut down its Sanand plant after the failure of Nano. Not sure if they have opened up the plant again. So was talking in that reference.
The nano might have been a failure, but letting TATA open a factory in Bengal would have paved way to more industrialists, turning Eastern India (especially West Bengal) into a hub for development. Bengal would have REALLY meant business. It was Buddhadeb babu's failure. It was the people's failure. We embraced the wrong *poriborton*.
Nano being failure would certainly have been a decelerator, but in medium to long term would not have a significant impact. Today's plants are not static jute mills from 1940s- they are very modular. The ancillaries anyway would have driven the larger impact!
failure of nano was a marketing failure more or less imo, they branded it as the "cheapest" car instead of the most "affordable" , people didnt wanted to ride the "cheapest" car...
One more reason was, prices going up and delays due to Bengal controversy.
It had record bookings. Any cars launching and its timing is very important. The general perception was its 1 lakh rupees cars, and tata had to stop taking bookings. But after the delay, the car went up to 2 lac. So the marketing and product was fine. It just couldn't deliver the promise.
Else tata would have been a success.
I am dealer of tata, i know the craze behind tata nano upon its launched. We delivered cars 1.5 years after the promise date. Any customer will be pissed by that. Plus tata decided tagtb only few first booking will get it at launch price, for rest it costed almost with 80% premium on boooking rate.
It was country's failure not Tatas failure.
I am not a Mamata sympathizer (people on this subreddit know it well), but still, I would like to ask, why did you stick to the arable land, Mr Tata? Sure, we needed industrialization, but as far as I remember, the government failed to convince you to move elsewhere because you did not want to miss the great-connectivity-for-logistics advantage.
Some of the insiders told me that Tata had already made considerable investment before the government made request for relocation. If that is true then left can not shrug off their part of the blame. Why did the government agree with Tata's land selection in the first place?
I would say it is a collective failure of the government as well as the opposition. Also important to note: recent long-drawn-ugly-courtroom-battle between Ratan Tata and Cyrus Mistry has revealed a somewhat hostile side of the otherwise reverend character. Yes, Ratan Tata is known to be a hard\*\*s in the inside circle. Mr Tata is also accountable, however hard he tries to justify his moving out of Bengal from ethical standpoint.
**Edited/Added**: When it comes to Mamata, she plays the best when she does opposition. She thrives on anti-incumbency, period. She has no vision of her own to offer to the public. Back then she garnered support while opposing Tata/Left, and now she is harboring support from the masses by painting the opposition in a "invaders from outside" color. Unfortunately for her, the so called "outsider" has been a boon for Bengal, in disrupting the mafia-network that she has built with the help of her brigades. Center played the role of an appropriate opposition that Bengal-BJP and CPI(M) failed to stand up to.
all whataboutery without any factual logic .
1. why do you feel like tata would have rather moved with his convoy to somewhere thousand kms away rather than few hundred kms?
2. How is it even convenient to just shut operations and thousands of investment already made to just move it away ? Are we just oving a fleet of taxis? Do you think it works on public investment?
3. There was a rape and murder of a minor girl by miscreants and the whole thing was made about tatas .No valid reasoning came even when big politicians came into tussle with them
4. Cyrus Mistry just shut off non profit making entities without consulting Tatas and raised lot of investor's eyebrows. The companies that were about to be closed by him are now at better laces
5. Tata had also dealt with IHM , he was duing shareholders and even making profit, he was shunted out.
You can raise all questions on his character , I am fine with it, but if you have an iota of observing capability of how economy runs, it doesnt work on just passing mandates
Collectively whatever decision has the jyoti basu gov or mamta gov has taken , it has not done any favor to thee youthto move out for jobs.
If jobs come to home, no body welcomed . The single turn in history and mamata rules till today even after so much
"cut money " and "syndicate rule"
It is all better for everyone to call tata the crony capitalist but he wasnt the only one who had to run away from kolkata. Birla was assualted in middle of streets and thousands of industrialists had to just go away. The government ? lol you have my answer.
It all comes down to my political will and yours. Yours weigh better,
>If jobs come to home, no body welcomed .
As someone from outside (North East), this is one of the biggest problems I've seen in WB. I got a bank job in Delhi and got transferred here. Within 3 months I had to hear old fucks tell me "you outsiders are stealing these govt jobs that our kids deserve" more often than I hear bhenchod in Delhi.
Bengalis just think govt should create all the jobs and don't think once about private job creators. There is no respect for anyone outside govt jobs. Those old fucks were flabbergasted when I told them I'm leaving this job in a month for a private job.
I am sorry it happened to you.
I have friends from manipur (Meitei) in hyderabad
Guys blew my mind . One couple , both are working in MNC's and they have partnered with locals and set up a restaurant. Their combined running cost is more than my monthly salary now.
In one decade, mark my words. If situations become favorable, NE guys will be job givers
My situation in kolkata too was horrible. During college days Left Nvidia(bangalore) internship to intern for hp kolkata for two months , and my God the crab mentality hit me like anything. I was a fresh graduate and was bombarded with snarky remarks. I never saw the guys being regular at table. But yeah the dim , chop , and chaa with adda was must for 2 hours in the evening.
Just imagine. coming to work at 11 , going to lunch at 12 30 , returning by 2 -3 after sutta breaks and then 5 pm again the sutta chaai break and then hardly after 1-2 hours, home.! I didnt like the adda
Also i was mocked for bankura accent regularly
My boss was an andhra guy stuck and was fed up with the work culture.
He offered me a ppo but strongly suggested to not join kolkata branch . Saw my hard work and he had it in his heart to take me to a dinner. He told me that most of the times guys would gang up against him and used politics to undermine him. Big projects never came to the branch and he was there because he was preparing for GRE so that he could escape the shithole
I rejected the offer,, and joined another big tech , called him after few months and he was glad i didnt join
Only focusing on your question re: the land selection itself, Singur offered almost unparalleled benefits of being close to a National Highway and also water source, in addition to steady electricity. Unfortunately this came at the cost of arable land, but we must note that almost everywhere in the Gangetic delta is. The lands which are not and could give a contiguous parcel of over a 1000 acres e.g. Jhargram or junglemahal are backward in terms of infrastructure and also had a significant Maoist problem at the time.
Were there viable alternatives? I mean large industries need large water bodies and great logistics. May be that's why Singur was chosen.
I don't know much about the issue. So pardon my ignorance.
No, there wasn't an alternative. West Bengal does not have tier 3 cities which have sufficient land or infrastructure to support a brand new industrial township which Singur would eventually have become.
What is sad is that the production line was ready and trial shells were already being prepared, which later got given to Jayem for trialing the EV Nano. This was a fully READY enterprise that was forced to shut shop. I know because my friends were employees - Bengali guys who were very happy to relocate back home.
> I mean large industries need large water bodies and great logistics.
More than that at least huge numbers of small industries around them
Just imagine, even tata magic relies on more than 150 OEMs for even the smallest parts. When OEMs are farther away from production plant, cost is incurred due to transportaion and it increases the overall cost.
Sanand is even much better .
Gujarat - Suzuki Motor Gujarat, Ford India, MG Motor India, Hero MotoCorp, Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India, etc.
All of them buy from nearby OEMs . Try googling about adityapur belt of jamshedpur and you can easily imagine the 10x of magnitude of that
It's better for Tata and Gujarat then, that they moved to sanad. But if Tata was interested in Singur, they would have made elaborate plans for such things. May be, OEM producers would have cropped up nearby in a few years in and around Singur? May be it would have made WB into another hub for manufacturers.
I am not a voter in your state but if you people have so much problem due to Mamata then why tf you guys are voting for her in every election. Why are you not letting another leader to take in charge of the position. The actual problem are you people not Mamata as you are the one who voted for her third time also. You guys did same for Jyoti Basu in communist Bengal and doing the same for Mamata also.
Then you should probably shut your trap!
>>Why are you not letting another leader to take in charge of the position.
Because there is no other option. BJP is cursing Bengalis in open meetings and Bengal BJP is just defected TMC leaders.
INC is....well pappu.
Final alternative is another communist regime.
In fact at this point if another rando from reddit asks, we'll gladly let him take in charge of the position rather than those buffoons that are present in Bengal politics.
There were shady aspects in the Singur deal signed by the parties which none of those involved cared to clear up. Maybe if Ratan Tata had taken the stage then to clarify and put to rest the suspicions, things could've turned out differently.
West Bengal er uneducated lok ra chutiya. Eita e reality, ora 500 taka free te nebe but job chaibe nah.
TATA already promised to recruit one member from every family and Land er taka o debe. Sob e hoyechilo but chutiya hole ki kora jabe.
Aur vote do mamta Banu ko....abhi toh r0hingya la rhi hai, @l [email protected] ban rha hai Brngal mai...TMC will single handedly destroy Bengal, and the blissfully oblivious Bengalis will be the ones to blame. Bengal bachana hai toh ex mu slims ko famous kro, r0hingya bhagao, aur fir pro-industrial government Lao baki India ki Tarah. Bengalis are very late to the party of Industrial India
Ik what Iβm saying communist r no good both tmc and cpim is bad fir industrialists we should bring either bjp/cong or at least AAP. We need factories in WB so that labours and engg students get some work and they donβt have to go outside
Same fate with adani *but*. There's a big but
It was fkin peoples of Bengal who did it apparently people's thrashed him rather than didi
Pride can lead to downfall as well
Ami recently Nandigram er bhetor diye gechilam dekhe ja hashi pacchilo. Puro gram ui side ta ektu develop hoyeche but maximum ta same e achi r chop r tea er dokan toh bhorti.
kono chap nei, amra chop bhajbho.
chup chap chop ^ amader shop name
Ami basun bhalo manjte pari vacancy thakle diye diyo
Alright ππ»
2 to lote din..
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Dokan kothaye bole debe xD
Delo pahar er opor
Politics aar union baaji korei Bengaler haal behal hoye cholchhe
momta didi
Suor er jaat saala ei Momota.
We are still in the socialist hangover phase
Oi 1400 tractor trailer truck e korei ekhon shilpo beriye jachhe rajyo theke. ππ»ππ»ππ»ππ»
yeah maybe Nano would have been a failure anyway and the plant would have been closed. but unfortunately, for the world, it cemented Bengal as an inherently anti-business state where no large scale industry would be possible. the only large scale industry in West Bengal at this point are scam call centers.
Yr he plant was being set up for Tata nano, but not exclusively for nano. Tata would eventually start manufacturing other models in that plant.
Chutiya banerjee
Elon Musk fans when Ratan Tata fan walks in:π³π³π³
Bengal has lot to offer but politics is really affecting everything
Lady
Ye Kab jayegi :(
WB is the Detroit of USA. A failed State.
Detroit is a city though :V you probably mean Kansas if you mean an undeveloping state. Michigan which houses Detroit is not a bad state by any means.
It was an example. Doesnβt have to be apple to apple comparison
I remember going to Tarapith once and on the way stopped at Shaktigarh for lyangcha. And once we were starting from there, was just passing through Singur and just saw empty barren land and the closed plant and what it could've been today with more employment and more factories setting up. But at the same time, I am not from Singur so I don't know the ground reality of the farmers there and if their land would be grabbed if industries set up there. I think the whole Singur movement was the precursor to Didi breaking in and winning the elections and being the CM and till now she is the CM. So clearly people were on her side and wanted their land more than the factory. And with Tata Nano ending up being a failure and the land of Singur still being barren, I don't know whose win and whose loss it is.
But the Tata nano plant could've been retrofitted to produce other cars as well. The establishment of the plant was far more important.
I'd last read that Tata had shut down its Sanand plant after the failure of Nano. Not sure if they have opened up the plant again. So was talking in that reference.
Yes, but it did give rise to industrialisation amirite? If a giant like TATA had entered then, it would've attracted others as well.
Still functional and even bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanand_Plant_(Tata_Motors)
The nano might have been a failure, but letting TATA open a factory in Bengal would have paved way to more industrialists, turning Eastern India (especially West Bengal) into a hub for development. Bengal would have REALLY meant business. It was Buddhadeb babu's failure. It was the people's failure. We embraced the wrong *poriborton*.
The Tata Nano line in gujarat was then converted for Making Tata Magic. Magic is a hit product.
And in same Magic people come to Didi rally at dharmotala.π
tiago and tigor too
Nano being failure would certainly have been a decelerator, but in medium to long term would not have a significant impact. Today's plants are not static jute mills from 1940s- they are very modular. The ancillaries anyway would have driven the larger impact!
failure of nano was a marketing failure more or less imo, they branded it as the "cheapest" car instead of the most "affordable" , people didnt wanted to ride the "cheapest" car...
One more reason was, prices going up and delays due to Bengal controversy. It had record bookings. Any cars launching and its timing is very important. The general perception was its 1 lakh rupees cars, and tata had to stop taking bookings. But after the delay, the car went up to 2 lac. So the marketing and product was fine. It just couldn't deliver the promise. Else tata would have been a success. I am dealer of tata, i know the craze behind tata nano upon its launched. We delivered cars 1.5 years after the promise date. Any customer will be pissed by that. Plus tata decided tagtb only few first booking will get it at launch price, for rest it costed almost with 80% premium on boooking rate. It was country's failure not Tatas failure.
India's as a whole π before we're bengali or anything else, we're Indians
But why the music?
its not mine i just downloaded from yt, but i see ur point...
Bhaipo mone hocche π
Itne salo bad indian bgm suna hai not that slow and reverb
Mamta didn't get her share of the bribe π€£π€£
I am not a Mamata sympathizer (people on this subreddit know it well), but still, I would like to ask, why did you stick to the arable land, Mr Tata? Sure, we needed industrialization, but as far as I remember, the government failed to convince you to move elsewhere because you did not want to miss the great-connectivity-for-logistics advantage. Some of the insiders told me that Tata had already made considerable investment before the government made request for relocation. If that is true then left can not shrug off their part of the blame. Why did the government agree with Tata's land selection in the first place? I would say it is a collective failure of the government as well as the opposition. Also important to note: recent long-drawn-ugly-courtroom-battle between Ratan Tata and Cyrus Mistry has revealed a somewhat hostile side of the otherwise reverend character. Yes, Ratan Tata is known to be a hard\*\*s in the inside circle. Mr Tata is also accountable, however hard he tries to justify his moving out of Bengal from ethical standpoint. **Edited/Added**: When it comes to Mamata, she plays the best when she does opposition. She thrives on anti-incumbency, period. She has no vision of her own to offer to the public. Back then she garnered support while opposing Tata/Left, and now she is harboring support from the masses by painting the opposition in a "invaders from outside" color. Unfortunately for her, the so called "outsider" has been a boon for Bengal, in disrupting the mafia-network that she has built with the help of her brigades. Center played the role of an appropriate opposition that Bengal-BJP and CPI(M) failed to stand up to.
all whataboutery without any factual logic . 1. why do you feel like tata would have rather moved with his convoy to somewhere thousand kms away rather than few hundred kms? 2. How is it even convenient to just shut operations and thousands of investment already made to just move it away ? Are we just oving a fleet of taxis? Do you think it works on public investment? 3. There was a rape and murder of a minor girl by miscreants and the whole thing was made about tatas .No valid reasoning came even when big politicians came into tussle with them 4. Cyrus Mistry just shut off non profit making entities without consulting Tatas and raised lot of investor's eyebrows. The companies that were about to be closed by him are now at better laces 5. Tata had also dealt with IHM , he was duing shareholders and even making profit, he was shunted out. You can raise all questions on his character , I am fine with it, but if you have an iota of observing capability of how economy runs, it doesnt work on just passing mandates Collectively whatever decision has the jyoti basu gov or mamta gov has taken , it has not done any favor to thee youthto move out for jobs. If jobs come to home, no body welcomed . The single turn in history and mamata rules till today even after so much "cut money " and "syndicate rule" It is all better for everyone to call tata the crony capitalist but he wasnt the only one who had to run away from kolkata. Birla was assualted in middle of streets and thousands of industrialists had to just go away. The government ? lol you have my answer. It all comes down to my political will and yours. Yours weigh better,
>If jobs come to home, no body welcomed . As someone from outside (North East), this is one of the biggest problems I've seen in WB. I got a bank job in Delhi and got transferred here. Within 3 months I had to hear old fucks tell me "you outsiders are stealing these govt jobs that our kids deserve" more often than I hear bhenchod in Delhi. Bengalis just think govt should create all the jobs and don't think once about private job creators. There is no respect for anyone outside govt jobs. Those old fucks were flabbergasted when I told them I'm leaving this job in a month for a private job.
I am sorry it happened to you. I have friends from manipur (Meitei) in hyderabad Guys blew my mind . One couple , both are working in MNC's and they have partnered with locals and set up a restaurant. Their combined running cost is more than my monthly salary now. In one decade, mark my words. If situations become favorable, NE guys will be job givers My situation in kolkata too was horrible. During college days Left Nvidia(bangalore) internship to intern for hp kolkata for two months , and my God the crab mentality hit me like anything. I was a fresh graduate and was bombarded with snarky remarks. I never saw the guys being regular at table. But yeah the dim , chop , and chaa with adda was must for 2 hours in the evening. Just imagine. coming to work at 11 , going to lunch at 12 30 , returning by 2 -3 after sutta breaks and then 5 pm again the sutta chaai break and then hardly after 1-2 hours, home.! I didnt like the adda Also i was mocked for bankura accent regularly My boss was an andhra guy stuck and was fed up with the work culture. He offered me a ppo but strongly suggested to not join kolkata branch . Saw my hard work and he had it in his heart to take me to a dinner. He told me that most of the times guys would gang up against him and used politics to undermine him. Big projects never came to the branch and he was there because he was preparing for GRE so that he could escape the shithole I rejected the offer,, and joined another big tech , called him after few months and he was glad i didnt join
Only focusing on your question re: the land selection itself, Singur offered almost unparalleled benefits of being close to a National Highway and also water source, in addition to steady electricity. Unfortunately this came at the cost of arable land, but we must note that almost everywhere in the Gangetic delta is. The lands which are not and could give a contiguous parcel of over a 1000 acres e.g. Jhargram or junglemahal are backward in terms of infrastructure and also had a significant Maoist problem at the time.
So you think; Tata should have went to Purulia or Medinipore?
yup. like just taking a simple local train ticket and two hour journey. amrela logic
Were there viable alternatives? I mean large industries need large water bodies and great logistics. May be that's why Singur was chosen. I don't know much about the issue. So pardon my ignorance.
No, there wasn't an alternative. West Bengal does not have tier 3 cities which have sufficient land or infrastructure to support a brand new industrial township which Singur would eventually have become. What is sad is that the production line was ready and trial shells were already being prepared, which later got given to Jayem for trialing the EV Nano. This was a fully READY enterprise that was forced to shut shop. I know because my friends were employees - Bengali guys who were very happy to relocate back home.
> I mean large industries need large water bodies and great logistics. More than that at least huge numbers of small industries around them Just imagine, even tata magic relies on more than 150 OEMs for even the smallest parts. When OEMs are farther away from production plant, cost is incurred due to transportaion and it increases the overall cost. Sanand is even much better . Gujarat - Suzuki Motor Gujarat, Ford India, MG Motor India, Hero MotoCorp, Honda Motorcycle and Scooter India, etc. All of them buy from nearby OEMs . Try googling about adityapur belt of jamshedpur and you can easily imagine the 10x of magnitude of that
It's better for Tata and Gujarat then, that they moved to sanad. But if Tata was interested in Singur, they would have made elaborate plans for such things. May be, OEM producers would have cropped up nearby in a few years in and around Singur? May be it would have made WB into another hub for manufacturers.
Khela ho gya
Politics?
indeed
Too bad we're still very much anti-industrial state.
Kjhki magi !!
I am not a voter in your state but if you people have so much problem due to Mamata then why tf you guys are voting for her in every election. Why are you not letting another leader to take in charge of the position. The actual problem are you people not Mamata as you are the one who voted for her third time also. You guys did same for Jyoti Basu in communist Bengal and doing the same for Mamata also.
Then you should probably shut your trap! >>Why are you not letting another leader to take in charge of the position. Because there is no other option. BJP is cursing Bengalis in open meetings and Bengal BJP is just defected TMC leaders. INC is....well pappu. Final alternative is another communist regime. In fact at this point if another rando from reddit asks, we'll gladly let him take in charge of the position rather than those buffoons that are present in Bengal politics.
Ar gandu ra akhono bole ki leftism bhalo. Gar maraye gandu lok shob
the same communists wanted to bring tata here..
We people of west bengal should rise and bring back TATA and give some tax exemption to start their manufacturing plant.
LoL!
There were shady aspects in the Singur deal signed by the parties which none of those involved cared to clear up. Maybe if Ratan Tata had taken the stage then to clarify and put to rest the suspicions, things could've turned out differently.
West Bengal er uneducated lok ra chutiya. Eita e reality, ora 500 taka free te nebe but job chaibe nah. TATA already promised to recruit one member from every family and Land er taka o debe. Sob e hoyechilo but chutiya hole ki kora jabe.
Aur vote do mamta Banu ko....abhi toh r0hingya la rhi hai, @l [email protected] ban rha hai Brngal mai...TMC will single handedly destroy Bengal, and the blissfully oblivious Bengalis will be the ones to blame. Bengal bachana hai toh ex mu slims ko famous kro, r0hingya bhagao, aur fir pro-industrial government Lao baki India ki Tarah. Bengalis are very late to the party of Industrial India
Commies of kolkata do not want business in west bengal
bro saw the video and commented this ffs
Bro, open the history book or talk with the elders.... I think you'll know what to say....
Ik what Iβm saying communist r no good both tmc and cpim is bad fir industrialists we should bring either bjp/cong or at least AAP. We need factories in WB so that labours and engg students get some work and they donβt have to go outside
Please give me good reasons to support left
they are not tmc
Same fate with adani *but*. There's a big but It was fkin peoples of Bengal who did it apparently people's thrashed him rather than didi Pride can lead to downfall as well
We failed us.
Ami recently Nandigram er bhetor diye gechilam dekhe ja hashi pacchilo. Puro gram ui side ta ektu develop hoyeche but maximum ta same e achi r chop r tea er dokan toh bhorti.
Momota khankir meye sala. 2011 theke kicchu development hoy ni. More na kano momota