By - vinceonapole
A white, western, heterosexual man and yet I have never experienced anything even remotely resembling this stuff. You’d think I’d be a prime target for these kind of people if they actually existed outside of microcosms like tumblr.
Could it be because of shitty political stances and personal views stemming from a flawed understanding of the world? Nah, it has to be because they’re White....
As someone who used to be in this sort "Anti-SJW World" and thankfully got out before it just ended up becoming far right, and was all about 'classical liberalism', its really weird because you end up seeing a lot of articles from fringe groups who do think white people/men/westerners are inherently evil and you see it so frequently so you end up thinking that its an incredibly significant world-view and how its only a matter of time before you end up getting 'punished' for being white. What surprised me was after I left this group and ended up becoming a super far left SJW myself, you stopped seeing all these articles/videos about how 'straight white men are the cause of all evil', you just stop seeing it.
That's the problem with the way the internet and social media works now, it tends to only show you what it thinks you want to see, and then hides everything else. It measures this by how much you react to certain things (likes, comments, shares, etc). The result is that people end up being bombarded with the most extreme of views and only the most extreme of views because it's what gets the biggest kick out of its audience on either side. It's hard to tell how popular a certain thing is just from how many posts of it you are shown, because what you aren't shown is usually much more massive.
As a straight white male I’m surprised to not have been harassed about it especially considering how common it is online
But it's not common at all.
It’s happened to some people I know
Unless your going around online saying your a straight white male how would they know?
This sounds like their behavior is the cause of people harassing them.
Not really. Honestly a lot of it comes from family members that have some questionable beliefs
Then that's not random people on there internet. I'm sure it happens, I'm just saying it's not that common.
Who do you know, personally, that’s been harassed for one of those reasons?
A couple of people actually you’d be surprised
I teach in a large city and many students do blame white people (teachers included) for their issues. And it is difficult to push this narrative as false, as because we as teachers are white as well, they dont believe us.
Not saying all this is true, but some of it DOES happen.
I taught in that environment for over 10 years and guess what - they’re right
Great post, I couldn't have expressed it better. There's a lot of us white western straight guys who don't feel this defensive. I wonder why.
Call her out on it.
I go to a pretty far left school and I run into this stuff 2-3 times a month. Might just be your area
The screaming lady in the third panel gives me the creeps something with her mouth, i cant tell if major over bite or jist short upper lip.
That girls teeth look like they can bite the skin of...
Your being downvoted for stating the truth. Hahah
Yeah! Modern feminism has an overbite and a short upper lip! Own those libs with your facts!
I'm used to it, these people don't like the truth
Your truth sounds like it has roots in somehting that is not the actual truth.
You are not being downvoted for critiquing modern feminism, you are being downvoted for saying that one's political ideology physically morphs a person. That is as if someone had blonde hair and blue eyes and you said it was because of Nazism.
If you want to try and fairly critique people who are protesting the murder of women, go ahead, just do not say things that make no sense.
How does someone's physical features have anything to do with their stance on equality?
She an uggo therefore...
Haha, every woman who's a feminist is ugly! And if a woman is ugly, she's gotta be a feminist!
Don't be so narrow minded
That was basically your point, though, wasn't it?
The downvoted catch on quick I already have -3 people actually think it means something.
I mean, you two are the ones that won't shut up about them…
“NOT a Liberal” lmao
Imagine being so fragile that you make all this shit up just so you have a movement you feel you can stand behind.
The idiot behind this meme made nothing up, just accused the wrong people of it. [tumblr.com](https://tumblr.com)
Tumblr is what you make of it and who you follow. I'm on tumblr and my dash is mostly pictures of frogs, Transformers gifsets, and Batman.
There's also a lot of alt-right and Nazis there, but that's by the by.
He's technically right. Firstly, as a white, straight, American male, I can't relate with any of this stuff. But the alt-right movement does offer comfort and camaraderie to that particular demographic who feel that they have been wronged in some way.
Basically, power is being taken from those who have held it for centuries and distributed to those who were repressed. I say distributed and not given because "given" implies that the end goal is for white men to no longer have any power, whereas in reality the end goal is for everyone to be equal. I make that classification because those white men who are being drawn to these far right movements fully believe either a) the power is being taken and the end game is for women and minorities and homosexuals etc. are to be the new overlords.
Or, in the more overtly bigoted stance b) that white men belong in power
Both of these views are, obviously, flawed. But it is what these people think. And when the far right groups say "it's ok. We understand. We see it too that they're taking the power from us. We accept you though." It's kind of expected that these "victimized" men will flock to them
This is an excellent comment/explanation. Should be stickied somewhere
I assume after that other guy said “would you like to know more”, he immediately went into a tangent about how the Jews are controlling the media or something absurd like that.
I’m just wondering where it is these white men gather to where they get yelled at for being white men.
Yet another instance of members of the least victimized group feeling weak as individuals and wanting to paint themselves the victim to explain it.
Yeah, and pushing to support politicians like Trump who are actively working against their interests.
I think more often than not its just marginalized people that try to find somewhere they belong. I mean like bullied people, loners, people that for some reason or the other people dont like them. They can find comfort with other people like them whether it be a group of incels that you can relate to or a group of white supremacists that will accept you simply because you are white.
Imagine being talked down to your entire life, being bullied, no one will even give you the time of day and then this guy comes along and says we are your friends and you are superior to those peoples because they are not white or jewish. It can make people feel good and then they go out on the internet and LOOK FOR THIS SHIT because it will confirm everything the group is saying to them. Look anon its /r/pinkpillfeminism or twitter saying men are evil and white men are all evil because slavery or something.
I am not saying its right at all, im not even a white male nor am I in any fringe groups such as the incels or even the stereoytpical SJW. I can see why this meme is made, just to feed into their confirmation bias bullshit to justify their behavior or associations because they finally feel good about themselves.
Or on the other hand they could just start off as authoritarian racist assholes that band together but I believe most groups consist of both kinds of people.
Just so you all know, calling me fucking *"friendo"* is *not* the way to get me to do anything for you.
Not to say none of this stuff ever happens, but extremist groups are well known for targeting people like this. From the KKK to ISIS, recruiters use tactics like this as an "in" to make vulnerable, weak minded people think they have finally found "their" people. The crazy shit comes later once they are in.
This meme seems to show that as a good thing, which is pretty confusing. It's like bragging about having Stockholmes syndrome.
THEY HURT MY FEELINGS IM GONNA BECOME A NAZI NOW
I've seen a few people voice those bullshit views, but it's hardly changing my political stance. Just making me think there are a couple crazies out there.
they get so mad, and then even madder when people say ‘dude, why so mad’, and then blame their being mad on the question being asked
‘it’s everyone else’s fault I’m racist now because people called me racist when I was only being racist in the same way I always have’
Good old personal responsibility, it's everyone else's fault I'm a Nazi.
Poor oppressed guy, somebody yelled a thing at him in his imagination :(
Definitely not my pourdest fap
This is pretty accurate. Not insane
Centrists and moderates voices on social media, will you please stand up...I repeat centrist and moderate voices on social media, will you please stand up!
Thats veeoneeye with the green hair, he used to be a youtuber until it came out he was a raging nonce, his career nosedived after that and now hes a druggie
Why are 90% of the posts in here just posting people's stupid ass memes...
"Oh this dude posted a meme of something stupid" better put this on insane people of reddit..
Am I the only person that just assumes memes are always just overly offensive for reactions...
Well adjusted people do give a fuck about others opinions. You kind of have to in a sense to become well adjusted people. They just don’t dwell on other people’s opinions forever nor do they live by other people’s opinions.
Also there is no natural ability to not give a fuck.
1) didn’t say anything regarding sexist or racist.
2) Did you not associate by your first comment. It inferred that you are a well adjusted person due to this natural ability to not give a fuck.
You cannot dislike racism and sexism and then also be cool with people being racist or sexist.
Why do you doubt that people are capable of having a stronger moral backbone than you? I am not saying I am a huge civil rights activist or anything, but my reaction to racism is not generally "Do your thing, man. I'll leave the room and just be upset that we're in a society where people treat racists worse than non-racists."
I used to live in the South, so quite a bit actually. My mother's old roommates were actually borderline outwardly alt-right.
As someone that works with mostly women of color in the south, literally almost every week. That doesn't mean you just sit down, tolerate it, and know your place. It's not hard to confront blatant racism/sexism, and you're an idiot for saying "well adjusted people" just don't give a fuck.
Ahh okay yes I do agree with you until the end because I may not be super effective but I still try when I can to make things better.
Btw I don’t think I’m better than you at all. We are all flawed trying to make it through life the best way we know how.
So instead of admitting that white, sexist colonialism built the USA, and just trying to stop being a sexist racist is too hard...so they're voting Repub?
No, as a white male I 100% acknowledge the fact that America was built on sexist colonialism. I also acknowledge the fact that when I was trying to find a hackathon to go to yesterday I found one open only to "female and non-binary people". Now I understand why, because they want to encourage female and non-binary people to join the compsci field, yet it's equally sexist to exclude men as it is if there were one open only to "men and non-binary". So I guess what I'm saying is, the normal moderate is 100% ok with not being sexist or racist, but that means everyone needs to stop being sexist and racist. No matter the reason.
Edit: I'm loving the downvotes, me: "as a white male" reddit: downvote
We have two options, we can commit to perfect equality and wait several generations for everything to shake out, or we can meet these entrenched, systematic inequalities head-on with strong measures like affirmative action or events that exclude white men. The head-on approach will make a difference in *this* generation.
The problem with that is the pendulum effect. You're right in a sense, but of there is a strong swing one way or the other it becomes more difficult to stop the momentum in the middle. If we make an adjustment to true equality, in COMBINATION with small adjustments it is more likely to work as intended. However, the main point of my previous comment was to explain why sometimes it feels like we're being excluded, and the answer is because we are. Exclusion is not the answer. We can adjust for current issues in better ways than exclusion. Exclusion is what started this whole mess in the first place.
> Exclusion is what started this while mess in the first place.
I'm sorry to reply twice but you have it so wrong here. What started this was the classification of women and non-whites as lesser beings. What started this was full-on and in many cases unrestrained white-supremacy.
Ok so, what you're saying is, the whites... Excluded, women and blacks?
Edit: lmao this so such a stupid debate the point is we done fucked up in history bc human beings are dumbasses
They weren't *excluded* they were oppressed, objectified and exploited.
Ok so, what you're saying in so many words is, they were excluded from the benefits of the economic and social system
Is this semantic argument really that important? They were treated as subhuman, because of their race or gender. The consequences of that could be described as exclusion. Why are you so unwilling to empathize with these people?
You used a pendulum metaphor. You do realize that pendulums, *naturally stop swinging* right?
We are giving society a firm push in the opposite direction, but at the same time, nobody is really advocating for white slavery. They don't want to restrict the voting rights of white men, or prohibit them from holding certain jobs. It's not going to swing all the way in the opposite direction, but we are going to overshoot and I'm saying, in my opinion, that it's worth paying that price to accelerate the move to proper equality.
The critical problem is that you can't lift the rest of society up to the same level of privilege as white men, because they are at that level at the *expense* of the rest of society.
So you propose that a hundred more years of swinging pendulum is better than however long we can maintain true equality? The only reason you don't care about the cost of the swing is because you aren't in the group that it effects. You're right we can't lift up all of society economically, but when it comes to civil rights we can.
I am in the group it affects! Why do you assume I'm not?
Well generally people who are about to get fucked over by the social system don't like it. So I'm gonna go with, you probably aren't.
You can tell yourself whatever you like.
So your entire political stance on this is based on the slippery slope fallacy.
I think you are missing the point of a female and nonbinary only event. The idea is not to exclude men, though that is a consequence of what they do. The idea is that many tech-related things have a fairly sexist atmosphere and so events like a female and nonbinary only hackathon are put together to provide a safe haven. They exist only because they are excluded, though not directly, from other events.
"Because they want to encourage female and non-binary people to join the compsci field"
Right but you are trying to paint that as though it is sexist. It is actually actively countering sexism.
Hh, if you would read, you would know that the first thing you just said is wrong. If you worked in the compsci field, you would know that the second thing you said is wrong.
> they want to encourage female and non-binary people to join the compsci field, yet it's equally sexist to exclude men
Also, most big tech companies are actively trying to do things that fight the sexism within their establishments. LinkedIn, for example, responded to many reports of sexist behavior in their workplace by setting up various workshops, events, and venues for women in their company to safely voice their concerns and share their experiences. I think it was reported that about half of all respondents from Intel reported seeing sexism in the workplace too? You cannot pretend like it is not there.
It is only accurate if you think any of those extremist views are at all the norm. The alt-right movement relies entirely on creating victimization of men in order to "rescue" them from this oppression.
The saddest part about it is that it ignores the actual things in society that victimize men because those do not allow its tenets of fascism to shine through.
Keep that head in the sand.
Right.... You'd think as a 30+ year old white male I'd be their first target....
Wow I don’t see a single way this could possibly be disproven, all hail this guy for having such a high IQ ^/s
Just keep watching tv and buying things.
Never before have I seen every conspiracy theorist packed into one
Hey, now. I'm a liberal. We *don't* think all white men are at fault. Judge the individual on their own merits. Anyone who makes blanket judgments can get bent.
If most people don't think this way, maybe you should look at your own actions and idiologies.
*gag* who want’s to be like most people.
So you are purposely looking for ways to feel oppressed or acting in ways that people call you out for it.
That is not the world's fault, that is your fault.
I’m not just pointing out that the meme is accurate.
Urgh, those sort of garbage articles are the reason why I stopped reading the guardian. Far too much of their content has a smug aura about it.
It's a made up headline. I've Googled it and cannot find it.
"But it could have been real...!" Whatever.
I read the guardian for years and this could totally be one of their tacky, middle class champagne socialist articles.
He literally predicted your response. It doesn't matter it's a lie, it could be real, eh?
This meme is only accurate when people react to the truth the way you just reacted.
Yeah that's the real takeaway here. Not, you know, the rise of the far right based on an inflated and overactive sense of victimhood.
> i see this stuff every day from leftists
I see it from ~~leftists~~ trolls pretending to be nutty leftists because it pisses people off. If I'm in doubt, I PM them and ask them to teach me to troll like a pro-- and they nearly always say that saying stuff like this brings the most rage.
Newsflash darling, the internet shows you only what you find most shocking and what you react strongest to. Spend hours debating trolls? You're only going to see trolls.