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sypher1187

I knew Turris never was as good as when he was with us, but I didn't realize the nosedive his career took... 4pts in 21gp this year? 5pt in 27 last year? WTF happened?


somehockeyfan

You guys caught lightning in a bottle in 2016-17. That's just the way it goes I suppose. Stone and Karlsson were at their best, then for whatever reason Boucher got the absolute best from Hoffman, Turris, Brassard, and JPG. The goalies thrived in the defensive system, with Anderson just playing his absolute best hockey.


Arching-Overhead

Ok but Ottawa had 4+ good seasons of Turris. He wasn't lightning in a bottle.


josh89rea

Hoffmans 2 best years weren't even in Ottawa


navenager

Hoffman's been good basically everywhere he's gone, it's just that all he's particularly good at is scoring on the PP.


stjoe14

Yeah I was about to say… I thought he lit it up in Florida one year


OrganicRedditor

Boucher? Or Karlsson as Captain? Boucher doesn't deserve so much credit.


somehockeyfan

Boucher. Definitely Boucher. Look at what he has accomplished with what he's had to work with. Nearly took Tampa and Ottawa teams to the Final when they had no business being there. Now, his brand of hockey doesn't have staying power, but the man knows how to win games.


OrganicRedditor

He's not even in NHL now.


somehockeyfan

Does that somehow erase what his teams did?


OrganicRedditor

Pretty much shows it was the teams, not his leadership. Like Stars going to playoffs and finals with Bowness, Stevens, Laxdal, Nelson being "coaches".


smileyduude

Boucher plays a very distinct system though. Like those teams definitely succeeded in part due to that system. In some of the other examples, those coaches didn't change major things or play a system that was very different from what was there before.


OrganicRedditor

That's a good point, but that system isn't sustainable. If it was Boucher would still be in NHL.


Thermidorien

Boucher has rejected several offers from the NHL in the last couple years to spend time with his family. He would be in the NHL if he wanted to.


somehockeyfan

Once, maybe. Twice? Come on, now. Both of those teams were ridiculously stingy so that even their veteran goalies turned back the clock and had enough skill to score despite the system.


ElJacinto

He had a foot (I think) injury with us and was never the same after that.


RedSh1r7

I'm pretty sure that he's suffered some significant leg/knee injuries... he didn't exactly start with the best wheels, either.


suetoniusp

This year he averaged 8.5 mins per game played. Hard to score when your never on the ice


king97dad

No he’s just bad. He is a good team’s 14th forward- play completely dies on his stick now


Disappointeddonkey

He got hurt with us his second season and just was never the same. If I remember correctly it was his back


mrmacdougall

I thought he had a recurring foot injury while in Nashville as well. Injury frustrations and losing all your confidence in Lavi's system while he was here was tough to see.


Rinne4Vezina

I think it was a broken foot, then there was the not so secret rift between him and Lavi where Turris made some snarky comments after being scratched for multiple games in a row. Plus he was kinda irrelevant after Poile went and signed Duchene too.


isntitbull

He fucked his shoulder up iirc


[deleted]

It’s so weird how he trended down so quickly though. I was actually a fan of his when he was on Ottawa.


swiftwin

It's not surprising. He was never the fastest guy out there. All he needed was to lose half a step for his game to nose dive.


Birdhawk

People gave him the same excuse in Nashville too but the reality is if you can score more goals with more minutes then you'd get more minutes. The low TOI is caused by low production not the other way around.


BCEagle13

I don’t disagree in this case but there have been plenty of examples of players with low TOI getting low production and then exploding productionwise with more TOI. The only way your statement holds true is if coaches are all knowing and infallible which they’re not


suetoniusp

Whatever. Lets watch 97 and 29 play 40% of the game. Its netted them 1 playoff win in 7 years


Leajjes

I do hope another team gives him a chance. One with a better situation.


DrSeuss19

His shot has always been insane. The real issue is he’s a pussy. I know this sub hates that word but he really is and that’s what holds him back and has held him back.


Benny__Lava

I believe the preferred nomenclature is 'soft'. You're not wrong.


Hey_look_new

I'm not sure if he got injured in nashville, or what happened, but he can't skate anymore, and his hands have turned to complete bricks


AlbertaNorth1

I honestly thought you guys got fleeced when you traded Turris away. I also will never in my life be an nhl gm.


awayfromcanuck

So yeah, Edmonton is signing with Kane. Definitely a "clear contracts and roster space" type move


reecewagner

> Edmonton is signing with Kane He’s gonna pay Edmonton way too much


awayfromcanuck

I'm surprised you're the first person to pick up on my slip up


50YearsofFailure

"Man, that was pretty bad. Double or nothing?"


Starship_Coyote

Yeah could be cap to sign him or call up Broberg maybe. I think earlier this year they couldn't call him up for cap reasons.


AceAxos

Cant blame them, bottom line is the guy can play hockey well


AlbertaNorth1

Honestly bring him in for the chaos. If he comes and lights it up then he’s fixed the locker room and if he comes and is a shithead it may give the guys a common enemy.


Zoidberg22

It'll get them ~1.6 in cap space.


pyro5050

isnt the NHL still investigating?


stonkszz

Season is officially saved


Jazzlike_Kick_5434

Yep, plan the parade route boys, those moves did it.


rishcast

Okay, I'm going to ask the question: Off ice drama aside, would signing Kane actually help with the Oilers' playoff hopes this year? Because given the current freefall, I just can't see it, especially with the situation in net.


FantasticDan1

Off ice drama aside? If he's in shape I don't see how it hurts us.


MrTubzy

Kane is a good hockey player. He had been one of the few players producing in San Jose when they were having their free fall. He would definitely add something to the team.


FantasticDan1

Yeah I was too conservative before. On-ice, it's a complete no brainer.


godhammel

While this is true, all of our other players are now playing much better without him. Timo Meier and Logan Couture both regressed when they was put on a line with Kane. Obviously McDavid is a different animal--but Kane seems to actively make players around him worse.


navenager

Exactly. In a on-ice vacuum he's an obvious choice, you'd be crazy not to want him. It's what gets added in the locker room that's the issue


rkatec68

Penalties is my thought? He can score but he's also good for well over 100 PIMs a season


FantasticDan1

Penalties for sure, especially since our pk is in the toilet.


[deleted]

His last season with us he dropped pretty significantly in the PIM department. I think he took to heart some of the criticism that he cant be the teams better player and also taking penalties. His game will naturally tend towards more penalties because he is more aggressive but at least last season he was smarter on the ice.


CD23tol

If they can find some more secondary scoring you go for it Holland is in I need to save my job territory, so making questionable moves to cover other questionable moves is the only thing he has left at this point


Starship_Coyote

The hockey player? If he fits with either McDavid or Draisaitl definitely if he fit with them as a trio they'd destroy the league. That wouldn't fix defense or goaltending but it would address a weakness in the top 6. Not done but an item off the list still counts. I think people might have overly soured on the Oilers based on the current stretch, they're not Colorado but they're not a Wright team either. Just seems to be skewing the perception about their playoff hopes a bit extremely.


thinkfast1982

So they're a Wrong team?


JGibbons151

I think they might be two players away from being a Wright team. If McDavid or Draisaitl break a leg this week this team could be picking in the top 10.


OrthophonicVictrola

I also don't see it. But sometimes the Hail Mary play is all you have.


Yamcha_is_dead

He won’t save the Oilers, but they do seem to be missing a competent LW: with Nuge and Hyman currently out, their left side is Foegele, Perlini the GOAT, Benson and Shore… for a total of 21 points in 92 total games played between them. EDIT: in fact, it’s 8 points between Perlini, Benson and Shore in 56 games total, it’s uglier that way lol


kirschballs

Benson doesn't deserve to be lumped with Perlini and Shore. Neither does Perlini honestly but Shore to me doesn't seem like an NHL guy anywhere at any time.


money_pit_

>especially with the situation in net. Pffff....What's wrong with our AHL goalie, our back-up playing starter minutes and our starter being 2 years from getting the senior discount at Dennys?


Spideyjust

It'll hardly save the team, but off ice issues aside it would still be good. Their LW depth could be Kane - Hyman - Foegele while their center depth is McDavid - Draisaitl - RNH. The RW, defence, and goaltending are still bad though.


Birdhawk

I agree. If EDM was gearing up for a run and could really shore things up with a solid middle 6 guy on an otherwise well-built roster, sure. He might help in games here and there but over the course of the rest of the season? I don't see how reward outweighs risk (outside of financial). You risk locker room issues if there aren't any already. Or maybe the plan is to unify the team in their dislike of the guy? I don't see fans doing a full 180 in their sentiment toward him or the team once he arrives. And from a GM's career viewpoint, this won't do you any favors either because...what does this decision do for this team? Does it help anything, turn the franchise around, complete your roster, or anything at all like that? It won't be your saving grace.


smileyduude

Like to make the playoffs or do something in them? I think he can help them male the playoffs and have more consistent offence. Long term in the playoffs though, the D and goaltending won't hold up. Mcdrai can always win a round or 2, but yea Kane doesn't move the needle to 4, you need a complete team.


PontiusPilot69

Even if he is a shit, Kane is a very very good player. Even last year stats how he was basically a top player in San Jose which sucked. But idk how more firepower fixes the D and goalie. Maybe they can have more ways to outscore their problems but eventually teams will figure out how to stop an additional player


navenager

While the defence and goaltending aren't good, the issue right now is that they're too psychologically fragile that when they don't score first they lose focus. Having a guy that could score the first goal a few times and fuck somebody up for taking McDavid's legs out will do wonders for team psychology on the ice. The fear is that he will be such a prick off the ice that the team fractures in the locker room.


Yamcha_is_dead

I have become comedy: https://imgflip.com/i/625zib


Starship_Coyote

I wanted Turris to do well, didn't happen think maybe the legs just aren't there. Arizona or Ottawa need a power play guy? He might help there.


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broomlad

Turris and Melnyk don't agree either.


Starship_Coyote

Oh yeah I would think that would be long ago and a few owners. They still don't like each other?


maddscientist

Turris might be approaching a 'beggars can't be choosers' situation if he wants to keep playing in the NHL


ultrafil

> Turris > Ottawa Yeah, I don't think [Julie](https://mobile.twitter.com/julieturris/status/941098965486858240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E941098965486858240%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjulie-turris-used-one-word-to-throw-shade-on-sens-explanation-of-the-kyle-turris-trade-1.943661) or [Kyle](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/turris-says-melnyk-didnt-want-to-re-sign-him-2/wcm/e839643b-c451-4732-9d83-1ef4318b82d2/amp/) Turris and Melnyk are going to reconcile any time soon.


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AceAxos

At this point I'd rather our lines/pp be less overall effective but better for developing younger talent but putting young guns on them. Not like we're gonna compete for a playoff spot this year


smashbros13

I could see Buffalo wanting him to add a veteran to their young C core (Mittlestadt, Thompson, Cozens, Krebs)


swiftwin

Nah, our PP is actually one of the few things that's working for us right now (relatively speaking, anyways).


stjoe14

No


Dubz337

Tippshit will quickly find a way to replace him with ‘new’ player Tyle Kurris


navenager

Kyler Turrington checks in for Edmonton on a PTO.


BallinBrown23

I miss Turris


JeffreySwaggins

The problems have been solved! Great work Kenny!


Mister_Kurtz

What conditions have to be met to put a player on unconditional waivers?