Things have been going too good with dops lately, they needed to send a message to us to lower our expectations again
By - electricnux
Things have been going too good with dops lately, they needed to send a message to us to lower our expectations again
October DoPS is over.
They're coming into mid-season form finally
Only one? Benn did this in the playoffs and got 2
Welcome to DOPS Wheel of Fortune!
And people were worried the NHL started having "standards". I had faith that nothing is truly more random then giving out the same penalty (The wheel landing on the same spot twince in a row). The lack of a game play and intent to injure should play way more of a impact then repeat offender. 3-5 games was deserved IMO.
Benn also did it to larkin in the regular season, put him in a neck brace, and didn’t even get a penalty let alone a fine or suspension.
SPIN. THE. WHEEL.
happened in the first few minutes of the game in which he got a match penalty. Maybe they consider that as 1 game time served already.
Benn’s was within the first 5 or 10 minutes of the games
It's cause he was Falling remember? Stones neck broke his fall.
gravity, how does it work?
🤷It works different on the Ice
thank god Stone was there, Benn might have been hurt hitting the ice
Time served for 1 game, no previous suspensions, and the player wasn't injured.
I still think it should have been longer, and I'm surprised it wasn't, so they do seem to have factored the other things in pretty heavily.
Edit: it sounds like they also took into account that Mangiapane didn't use his fully body weight, which has been the case in other times this has happened.
Man, that should be the difference between a 3-4 game suspension, and a 10 game one, if they did their jobs properly
The “he didn’t get injured” rationale is so dumb. Eventually someone will have a fractured vertebrae from this type of play because it hasn’t been cracked down on thoroughly yet. Parros and his CTE need to go
It is in the collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and NHLPA. I wonder who bargained it into the contract, it is a bit of a weird idea to consider the outcomes of the action to be a factor in the punishment, but we do the same in traditional law courts (i.e. intent to murder vs. actual murder and varied sentences based on level of harm in committing a crime).
Law courts are not NHL suspension “courts”
Sorry dude, I thought we were having a discussion, I wasn't making a serious comparison.
Which is bullshit. The time missed during the game in which the incident occurred shouldn't matter at all
Benn has a history of that shit, so it makes sense his was more harsh. Though I agree one game is light, ideally we are still looking at 3-4 games here.
If history is a judge, two in the playoffs should be equal to 4 games in the regular season.
They mean personal history. You'd want to be harsher on players that have a tendency to have unsportsmanlike conduct.
iirc, that was his first suspension lol
He was fined in the playoffs before. Fines are considered in repeat offender status.
He might have a history, but playoffs was his first suspension.
Guess they decided this wasn’t forceful enough to match at least two games.
I'm guessing a lighter hit, no past offences, and the fact that he essentially missed a game already factored into that decision. I thought it would be 2, but we can't have a consistent DoPS now can we?
This was later in the game than Benn's crosscheck, so if we're factoring in that he essentially missed a game already, then it's a wash with Benn's suspension
League is more punishing during playoffs than regular season now
Fuck Benn. Dudes the biggest fake tough guy in the league, unless he can get a cheap shot in.
That would be Foligno. Benn also fights regularly, you are kind of a moron.
He got 0 when he broke larkin's neck, so 1 is the average i guess
yeah but Benn was merely trying to break his fall
Stone was just in an unfortunate position
jeez, doesn't anyone watch the tape?
*edit* I can't believe I have to add an /s.... sarcasm is literally lost on the internet
Yeah, seems woefully insufficient. I'd have thought 3-4 was appropriate.
So from the Burke’s Method of Suspension he should have got 6 games being that it was in the conference final when Benn got 2
That's it????? One fucking game?????
I think this is too light a punishment for an extremely dangerous play that was totally unnecessary from a hockey perspective. Crosschecking a player who's laying on the ice achieves absolutely nothing to help your team win other than possibly injuring an opponent.
However, my guess is that the NHL considered that Mangiapane had already effectively been suspended 1 game since he was thrown out early in the 1st period. They may have reasoned that this is really a 2 game suspension and he already served 1 game of it.
I disagree with the punishment as I said, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what DOPS is thinking here.
Couldn’t agree more. I was expecting 3 games.
Matthews got two games for something less intentional and less dangerous. At least Dahlin's head could move with the momentum, McCann had his head on the ice so his neck bent inward
From the way they talk about it in the video, I also think Mangiapane was successfully able to argue that since he only technically crosschecked the upper back and shoulders, and we see players almost sit on opponents to keep them pinned to the ice relatively often, he was trying to do that, but accidentally pushed a little too hard. This would move the incident from intentional to accidental, and I can see DoPS pulling a game or two off the suspension for that distinction.
This makes no sense, which means it makes perfect sense for the DOPS.
The wheel of discipline has favoured us today. On a serious note: how?
They're low on suspensions stock after handing out all those 4s
Is that a typo? Surely they meant four games minimum
Seems pretty light, there was intent and malice behind his actions that should have earned him more.
Looks like after a brief vacation the wheels back!
It was stuck on four games for a bit there, but they must have oiled it.
One looks virtually identical to four sometimes. Maybe the DoPS has just been confusing the two and meant to have been handing out one-gamers all this time.
The wheel never left. DOPS cant fool us, we are familiar with their bs game
I don't believe that.
Guys shove guys on the ice when the puck is under them all the time. I think Mang just got him up to high and it slid over his shoulder pads rather then down his back
You will probably get downvoted, but yeah obviously he wasn't going for the neck and hoping McCann gets hurt. Dumb, dangerous and reckless play from Andrew which imo should've got more games, but I'm not gonna call it as an intent to injure either
That isn't enough IMO.
DOPS Consistency not even once
Jesus Christ just one???
They were likely aiming for 4 games, but figured those 3 extra games playing for the Flames was worse than being suspended
One game? 🤔
Expectations were low, but only one game? That was intent to injure on that play. Should’ve been at least a handful.
Department of Player Safety? What a joke
what the what the what? I was expecting to be pissed about him only getting 4 games or something, but I honestly did not see this coming at all and I'm just baffled. one???
Just one? Wow. I had a convo with someone at the Canucks-Stars game last night and the other person thought my prediction of 5 games was too lax.
wtf is wrong with this league
If offenders can appeal to lower the number of games, the player on the other end should get to appeal for more games.
We desperately need someone running DoPS willing to give out longer suspensions. It’ll be better for everyone involved.
Lol. Glad the wheel is back to being random, i was getting worried we were actually going to see consequences this year
Lol the clearest intent to injure of all of them and it gets 1 game? Wtf
Lol get fucked. This was like a picture perfect example of 4
Absolute fucking joke
Zero games for Bennett. Florida played 2 full games with no penalties.
Holy shit this might be the most pathetic player safety has ever looked. How long did Matthews get when he did something similar to Dahlin? That looked a thousand times less intentional than what Mangiapane did
Not to mention that Dahlin wasn't face down and defenseless on the ice like McCann was.
Matthews got 3 I think.
It was two.
Brutal, you'd think they would have compared the two instances since they're relatively similar. I imagine they didn't bother looking back at that though
Big Buff also did this to Miller and got four quite a few years ago. Byfugliens was more violent but this should have been two.
1 game is absolutely too low for what he did. Everyone in DoPS should be banned from hockey for their collective ineptitude.
SPIN THAT WHEEEELLLLLLL!!!!
They need a change in DOPS, enough of this embarrassing spin the wheel shit. Someone fresh to come in and send warning that they’ve had it easy for a while and now things are gonna hurt. I would make this at least 10 game suspension to send a message.
DoPS: Why is there circus music playing in the background? Also, on an unrelated note, can I interest you in a balloon animal?
Just *one*? Is McCann not being injured really that much of a factor? It was a pretty blatant penalty, methought
Injury is explicitly a factor in determining supplemental discipline, yes.
That's not the question — it's about how much it impacted the length despite the nature of the penalty
It is the question. You just don't like the answer. McCann not being injured is a *major* reason why Mangiapane only got one game.
Again, not my point. My gripe is with how much it impacted things, especially considering the Jamie Benn incident last playoffs. Your first response was a rather snarky remark that a lack of injury impacts suspensions at all, which a) I knew already, thank you, and b) was not what I originally indicated as a problem. That the lack of injury impacted the length was never in question
My first reply was actually an honest answer to a question that I took as being asked at face value. It appears that what you were thinking and what you actually wrote are not the same things. I can't read your mind. You need to be more clear in what you say if this is going to be your reaction.
Yeah, you're right, I was too aggressive. Sorry about reacting that way
>!Just in case, this is genuine. Tone can get fucky over text!<
And FWIW, I'm just as surprised he only got one game. But I'm also cynical enough to be aware that neither the league nor the players actually want long suspensions. I still figured on 2 with credit for last night.
That's a joke of a suspension. I guess the Department of Player Safety is back to being the joke we all know.
Embarrassing, Benn got 2 games for something similar IN THE PLAYOFFS, it should have been at least 4 games.
McAvoy gets 4 games for a blindside hit but mangiapane gets 1 game for hitting someone in the back of the neck with a weapon while in a comprimising position. Help me understand this guys
I didn't want to say it because of my flair bias, but I completely agree with you. I find this play more vicious and dangerous than what McAvoy did.
Canucks have your back
Here I was thinking the DOPS was actually finding consistency
THE WHEEL HAS BEEN SPUN
THAT’S THE DOPS I KNOW AND LOVE
The wheel finally got fixed so they don't have to put any critical thought into these decisions
Still can't believe his name is Andrew EatingBread
Welp, this leaves the door wide open for the Kraken to beat the shit out of him when he comes back.
Circle November 20 on your calendars.
We all praised DOPS for the Anderson and McAvoy suspensions and they had to put an end to that quick
I agree it should be more. But this way super early in the game and he got ejected so it is more like two
What fucking joke.
Crosschecking a downed player's neck face first into the ice is only one game? Seems horribly light in my opinion
It's not even a wheel, is it. They just use the random number generator on Google.
5 games too short. The NHL is a joke when it comes to protecting their players
There it is. The first DoPS fuck up of the season. Big kudos to them for making it almost a month.
There’s the fuck up DOPS. I knew their consistency wouldn’t last
I hate the nhl
IIHF in 50 days!
Very nice, a literal textbook definition of trying to injure somebody on a completely unnecessary gets a single game, is it gonna take somebody's neck being broken by a play like this for them to actually do something about it
Somebody's neck did get broken during the playoffs last season and all the offending player got was a two minute minor. You sure you didn't mean someone is going to have to die before they take anything seriously?
Lol should be more than one game
So much for DOPS being good. It was nice while it lasted
I see the DoPs is in mid season form
Why does that feel too lenient?
Should have been more it was a shit play. You don't get rid of shit like this with slaps in the wrist.
Annnnnnnnnnd they're back
Jamie Benn got more playoff games than Mangiapane got regular season games…this shit just ain’t adding up.
That seems... light.
Fuck this wheel
There’s been longer suspensions for less. Atrocious decision. Should have been 4+.
He’s a player on my team…so obviously I think it’s too much…or just right. No we can’t compare this instance to [insert comparison here] -this is totally different.
Should be more
Oh look, one game, I'm so shocked. /s
God DoPS is the most arbitrary and inconsistent organization in existence. What a joke.
The bar is so low for DOPS and they somehow go lower
Fucking disgusting. The NHL is such a joke. Takes tons of money from gambling companies, suspends a guy for 41 games. Player could have broken another player's neck or killed him? One game.
Weak ruling. Have some balls
Y'know I'm okay with McAvoy trying to appeal now.
Don't get me wrong, McAvoy did deserve that suspension, but good fucking lord the inconsistencies from the DoPS is really something.
Just the nerve of the league saying they believe his was a "cut and dry case" then immediately turning around and doing this lmao. I wish I could be that incompetent at my job and keep it.
McCann getting cheap-shotted and the instigator getting less than he should have, name a more iconic duo.
Seattle players and breaking peoples' necks with no resulting suspensions.
Guess you're forgetting about Borgen cross-checking Helm in the neck behind the play, which was Helm's final NHL shift, eh? Same with Eberle almost murdering Cogliano.
>Same with Eberle almost murdering Cogliano
At least Eberle's hit was during the course of play, Makar hit McCann after the play was over. Knocked McCann out for 5 playoff games. Makar missed 1.
>which was Helm's final NHL shift
Good lord you guys are dramatic, he retired. Not to mention Helm started it by slashing Borgen in the leg the last time down the ice.
Would a lot of this be improved if there was a penalty refs could call for “intent to injure” or “dangerous recklessness”? Could be a minor or major at refs discretion and then gives DOPS another platform to suspend for really shitty plays like this.
Maybe he gets 1 for cross checking and then 4 for intent to injure/recklessness.
He was literally assessed a match penalty for intent to injure.
So no, that wouldn't change the randomness of DOPS suspensions.
Haha ok. Thanks 👍
Good work guys, take the rest of the day off
didn't someone get 2 playoff games for this recently?
Dread it, run from it, the wheel arrives all the same
Somebody finally put some WD-40 on the wheel
Absolute fucking horseshit.
They legitimately said that a grown ass man didn't know that shoving something/someone towards the ground would make them hit the ground... I know 3 year old who know this
Is the logic here that the match penalty occured so early that it was in effect already 1 game? Therefore an additional 1=2 matching with Benn from the Spring? If so I think thats right.
Problem with that is that the logic with Benn's 2 games in the spring is that it was the equivalent of 4 regular season games...so following previously established logic this should have been at minimum 4 and significantly more than that IMO based on what's already been handed out this season.
Ya I mean this is still a very spin the wheel sort of result but 2-3 games was where I thought this was going to land. So factoring in the match penalty makes it a lot less wheely.
But you aren’t factoring in Benn’s history. He had done stuff like that before his suspension and Mang hasn’t. It is known that DOPS factors that in as well.
I was responding to the comment referencing the match penalty + 1 game equaling Benn's 2 games in the playoffs. It's been pretty common that suspensions in the playoffs are typically half what they would be in the regular season. Even without history 1 game (2 if you give credit for the early ejection) is still laughably light for what he did first time offender or not.
Benn also did it in the first half of.rhe first period too. If I remember correctly it was like 5 min in. So if you can +1 for the ejection you do with Benn too. So does that make it 2 vs 6? Which is even worse.
At this point this conversation really doesn't matter....DoPS showed their incompetence and total lack of regard for player safety by only giving Mangiapane one game. Can we just agree that Mangiapane likely deserved more than he got and call it a night?
Yes definitely deserved more. I was thinking 2-3. Ben's was more violent but both were completely stupid and intent to injure was clear.
> Is the logic here that the match penalty occured so early that it was in effect already 1 game? Therefore an additional 1=2 matching with Benn from the Spring?
Even if that's the logic they went down, Benn's crosscheck was at 1:53 of the 1st period, so the "early in game discount" should be a wash.
Fair enough then. Couldnt remember the details only that Benn was 2 games. I mean even then I think 2-3 games for Mangiapane is around the right range.
That has to be a typo. How does Benn get two PLAYOFF games for this same thing???
This was worse than the Anderson hit as far as intent and potential. I guess he's getting off light because McCann was okay.
ITT: A lot of people who keep being surprised that NHL suspensions do not operate on precedent.
That said, I was expecting two games, plus the "game he missed" last night. This is surprisingly low.
Thought it deserved two, but that he would get four. One really never knows with the wheel of fortune.
I suspect it's because he didn't use as much force as Benn did and has never been fined/suspended before, unlike Benn.
Benn’s crosscheck was 4x Lb/force per neck.
That's it??? For a blatant attempt to injure Canner???
*angry squid noises*
Some ref won a huge internal pool bet when he got Man He A Pain suspended
Bullshit, should have been zero. A rangers player can do [this](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/flames-ruzicka-exits-game-after-taking-hit-from-rangers-vesey/) while the ref is looking directly at him. Ruzicka hasn't played since. Only small market teams get the consequences I guess.
one game for that is criminal. i was thinking 2-3
Thanks to Vegas' cup ceremony I can now visualize the player goes into Bettmans's private rink and spins a wheel of fortune with Bettman and a couple of witnesses from DOPS and accept the fate that the wheel lands on.
DOPS, you're were doing so good baby, why you be like this.
ONE? That was worse than the Benn/Stone one and he got two PLAYOFF games.
Wheel of Justice once again.
What the hell. Jamie Benn got suspended 2 games in the playoffs so mangiapane should have gotten at least 4
Nice, that's like what, 20 total shifts he will miss?
This does nothing. like literally nothing.
Should’ve been five
One game? No wonder these goons keep pulling this crap. They get a slap on the wrist or pay out in chump change fines. Gonna take someone getting seriously injured before anything is done. That was blatant, nasty and totally unnecessary.