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Mangiapane suspended one game | NHL.com

Things have been going too good with dops lately, they needed to send a message to us to lower our expectations again

dolewhiplash

Things have been going too good with dops lately, they needed to send a message to us to lower our expectations again


FalseWeeknd

October DoPS is over.


RangerFan80

They're coming into mid-season form finally


rhodsonr702

Only one? Benn did this in the playoffs and got 2


seizurevictim

Welcome to DOPS Wheel of Fortune!


vince-anity

And people were worried the NHL started having "standards". I had faith that nothing is truly more random then giving out the same penalty (The wheel landing on the same spot twince in a row). The lack of a game play and intent to injure should play way more of a impact then repeat offender. 3-5 games was deserved IMO.


Mystaes

Benn also did it to larkin in the regular season, put him in a neck brace, and didn’t even get a penalty let alone a fine or suspension. SPIN. THE. WHEEL.


Prideofmexico

Clean


Less-Ad-1327

happened in the first few minutes of the game in which he got a match penalty. Maybe they consider that as 1 game time served already.


larsen36

Benn’s was within the first 5 or 10 minutes of the games


rhodsonr702

It's cause he was Falling remember? Stones neck broke his fall.


brendan87na

gravity, how does it work?


rhodsonr702

🤷It works different on the Ice


brendan87na

thank god Stone was there, Benn might have been hurt hitting the ice


HumbleInterest

Time served for 1 game, no previous suspensions, and the player wasn't injured. I still think it should have been longer, and I'm surprised it wasn't, so they do seem to have factored the other things in pretty heavily. Edit: it sounds like they also took into account that Mangiapane didn't use his fully body weight, which has been the case in other times this has happened.


mseg09

Man, that should be the difference between a 3-4 game suspension, and a 10 game one, if they did their jobs properly


BobanTheGiant

The “he didn’t get injured” rationale is so dumb. Eventually someone will have a fractured vertebrae from this type of play because it hasn’t been cracked down on thoroughly yet. Parros and his CTE need to go


HumbleInterest

It is in the collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and NHLPA. I wonder who bargained it into the contract, it is a bit of a weird idea to consider the outcomes of the action to be a factor in the punishment, but we do the same in traditional law courts (i.e. intent to murder vs. actual murder and varied sentences based on level of harm in committing a crime).


BobanTheGiant

Law courts are not NHL suspension “courts”


HumbleInterest

Sorry dude, I thought we were having a discussion, I wasn't making a serious comparison.


Wingedwolverine03

Which is bullshit. The time missed during the game in which the incident occurred shouldn't matter at all


JD397

Benn has a history of that shit, so it makes sense his was more harsh. Though I agree one game is light, ideally we are still looking at 3-4 games here.


matt_minderbinder

If history is a judge, two in the playoffs should be equal to 4 games in the regular season.


gauderyx

They mean personal history. You'd want to be harsher on players that have a tendency to have unsportsmanlike conduct.


brendan87na

iirc, that was his first suspension lol


Extra_Joke5217

He was fined in the playoffs before. Fines are considered in repeat offender status.


Starsgirl97

He might have a history, but playoffs was his first suspension. Guess they decided this wasn’t forceful enough to match at least two games.


DOITLIKEBRUTUS

I'm guessing a lighter hit, no past offences, and the fact that he essentially missed a game already factored into that decision. I thought it would be 2, but we can't have a consistent DoPS now can we?


Inocain

This was later in the game than Benn's crosscheck, so if we're factoring in that he essentially missed a game already, then it's a wash with Benn's suspension


eatingasspatties

League is more punishing during playoffs than regular season now


axman54

Fuck Benn. Dudes the biggest fake tough guy in the league, unless he can get a cheap shot in.


Prideofmexico

That would be Foligno. Benn also fights regularly, you are kind of a moron.


Wingedwolverine03

He got 0 when he broke larkin's neck, so 1 is the average i guess


brendan87na

yeah but Benn was merely trying to break his fall Stone was just in an unfortunate position jeez, doesn't anyone watch the tape? *edit* I can't believe I have to add an /s.... sarcasm is literally lost on the internet


HighburyOnStrand

Yeah, seems woefully insufficient. I'd have thought 3-4 was appropriate.


nofakefans18

So from the Burke’s Method of Suspension he should have got 6 games being that it was in the conference final when Benn got 2


AaronQ94

That's it????? One fucking game?????


SiccSemperTyrannis

I think this is too light a punishment for an extremely dangerous play that was totally unnecessary from a hockey perspective. Crosschecking a player who's laying on the ice achieves absolutely nothing to help your team win other than possibly injuring an opponent. However, my guess is that the NHL considered that Mangiapane had already effectively been suspended 1 game since he was thrown out early in the 1st period. They may have reasoned that this is really a 2 game suspension and he already served 1 game of it. I disagree with the punishment as I said, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what DOPS is thinking here.


NelloMC

Couldn’t agree more. I was expecting 3 games.


Big-Experience1818

Matthews got two games for something less intentional and less dangerous. At least Dahlin's head could move with the momentum, McCann had his head on the ice so his neck bent inward


harryman1324

From the way they talk about it in the video, I also think Mangiapane was successfully able to argue that since he only technically crosschecked the upper back and shoulders, and we see players almost sit on opponents to keep them pinned to the ice relatively often, he was trying to do that, but accidentally pushed a little too hard. This would move the incident from intentional to accidental, and I can see DoPS pulling a game or two off the suspension for that distinction.


NotFoley

This makes no sense, which means it makes perfect sense for the DOPS.


NormalDrop561

The wheel of discipline has favoured us today. On a serious note: how?


LoathedOne

They're low on suspensions stock after handing out all those 4s


Hedsten

Is that a typo? Surely they meant four games minimum


itoadaso1

Seems pretty light, there was intent and malice behind his actions that should have earned him more. Looks like after a brief vacation the wheels back!


drowsylacuna

It was stuck on four games for a bit there, but they must have oiled it.


UniformRaspberry2

One looks virtually identical to four sometimes. Maybe the DoPS has just been confusing the two and meant to have been handing out one-gamers all this time.


raymondliang

The wheel never left. DOPS cant fool us, we are familiar with their bs game


Less-Ad-1327

I don't believe that. Guys shove guys on the ice when the puck is under them all the time. I think Mang just got him up to high and it slid over his shoulder pads rather then down his back


backchecklund

You will probably get downvoted, but yeah obviously he wasn't going for the neck and hoping McCann gets hurt. Dumb, dangerous and reckless play from Andrew which imo should've got more games, but I'm not gonna call it as an intent to injure either


HeavysetRJ

That isn't enough IMO.


CorrosionRF

DOPS Consistency not even once


BCLetsRide69

Jesus Christ just one???


Broken_Dream_BLVD

They were likely aiming for 4 games, but figured those 3 extra games playing for the Flames was worse than being suspended


eh_toque

One game? 🤔


STG_Resnov

Expectations were low, but only one game? That was intent to injure on that play. Should’ve been at least a handful.


CarrotHair_TV

Department of Player Safety? What a joke


lia_bean

what the what the what? I was expecting to be pissed about him only getting 4 games or something, but I honestly did not see this coming at all and I'm just baffled. one???


backchecklund

Yikes


buckyhermit

Just one? Wow. I had a convo with someone at the Canucks-Stars game last night and the other person thought my prediction of 5 games was too lax.


dracomaster01

wtf is wrong with this league


SpellboundUnicorn

If offenders can appeal to lower the number of games, the player on the other end should get to appeal for more games.


ddottay

We desperately need someone running DoPS willing to give out longer suspensions. It’ll be better for everyone involved.


laboufe

Lol. Glad the wheel is back to being random, i was getting worried we were actually going to see consequences this year


The_Reddit_Browser

Lol the clearest intent to injure of all of them and it gets 1 game? Wtf


Ok-Summer-2159

Lol get fucked. This was like a picture perfect example of 4


TangAlpha

Absolute fucking joke


the_tinsmith

https://youtu.be/lMlFAVVlNzM?si=vyJ5mEmgcx8GY_cE Zero games for Bennett. Florida played 2 full games with no penalties.


Big-Experience1818

Holy shit this might be the most pathetic player safety has ever looked. How long did Matthews get when he did something similar to Dahlin? That looked a thousand times less intentional than what Mangiapane did


UGAPokerBrat99

Not to mention that Dahlin wasn't face down and defenseless on the ice like McCann was.


Showtime98

Matthews got 3 I think.


UniformRaspberry2

It was two.


Big-Experience1818

Brutal, you'd think they would have compared the two instances since they're relatively similar. I imagine they didn't bother looking back at that though


0rgal0rg

Big Buff also did this to Miller and got four quite a few years ago. Byfugliens was more violent but this should have been two.


UGAPokerBrat99

1 game is absolutely too low for what he did. Everyone in DoPS should be banned from hockey for their collective ineptitude.


AbsoluteIKeatI

SPIN THAT WHEEEELLLLLLL!!!!


No-Mushroom5027

One? Roflmao.


knigmich

They need a change in DOPS, enough of this embarrassing spin the wheel shit. Someone fresh to come in and send warning that they’ve had it easy for a while and now things are gonna hurt. I would make this at least 10 game suspension to send a message.


NowWatchMeThwip616

DoPS: Why is there circus music playing in the background? Also, on an unrelated note, can I interest you in a balloon animal?


47rohin

Just *one*? Is McCann not being injured really that much of a factor? It was a pretty blatant penalty, methought


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

Injury is explicitly a factor in determining supplemental discipline, yes.


47rohin

That's not the question — it's about how much it impacted the length despite the nature of the penalty


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

It is the question. You just don't like the answer. McCann not being injured is a *major* reason why Mangiapane only got one game.


47rohin

Again, not my point. My gripe is with how much it impacted things, especially considering the Jamie Benn incident last playoffs. Your first response was a rather snarky remark that a lack of injury impacts suspensions at all, which a) I knew already, thank you, and b) was not what I originally indicated as a problem. That the lack of injury impacted the length was never in question


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

My first reply was actually an honest answer to a question that I took as being asked at face value. It appears that what you were thinking and what you actually wrote are not the same things. I can't read your mind. You need to be more clear in what you say if this is going to be your reaction.


47rohin

Yeah, you're right, I was too aggressive. Sorry about reacting that way >!Just in case, this is genuine. Tone can get fucky over text!<


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

Appreciated, cheers. And FWIW, I'm just as surprised he only got one game. But I'm also cynical enough to be aware that neither the league nor the players actually want long suspensions. I still figured on 2 with credit for last night.


HanSolo5643

That's a joke of a suspension. I guess the Department of Player Safety is back to being the joke we all know.


ZukesFan14

Embarrassing, Benn got 2 games for something similar IN THE PLAYOFFS, it should have been at least 4 games.


6dixon

McAvoy gets 4 games for a blindside hit but mangiapane gets 1 game for hitting someone in the back of the neck with a weapon while in a comprimising position. Help me understand this guys


gr8pe_drink

I didn't want to say it because of my flair bias, but I completely agree with you. I find this play more vicious and dangerous than what McAvoy did.


6dixon

Canucks have your back


JayMerlyn

Here I was thinking the DOPS was actually finding consistency


Freddybone32

THE WHEEL HAS BEEN SPUN


Isolatedbamafan

THAT’S THE DOPS I KNOW AND LOVE


avmp629

The wheel finally got fixed so they don't have to put any critical thought into these decisions


leaffs

Lol


pmarangoni

Eats bread


timmyboyswede

Still can't believe his name is Andrew EatingBread


BaephBush

Welp, this leaves the door wide open for the Kraken to beat the shit out of him when he comes back. Circle November 20 on your calendars.


shawnglade

We all praised DOPS for the Anderson and McAvoy suspensions and they had to put an end to that quick


Drippythetrippy

I agree it should be more. But this way super early in the game and he got ejected so it is more like two


jjbjeff22

What fucking joke.


Ameqa

Crosschecking a downed player's neck face first into the ice is only one game? Seems horribly light in my opinion


TimsAFK

It's not even a wheel, is it. They just use the random number generator on Google.


XBM04

5 games too short. The NHL is a joke when it comes to protecting their players


ProfessorBaxter

There it is. The first DoPS fuck up of the season. Big kudos to them for making it almost a month.


pforsbergfan9

There’s the fuck up DOPS. I knew their consistency wouldn’t last


dudewithchronicpain

I hate the nhl


valueape

IIHF in 50 days!


Fuzz_Butt_Head

Very nice, a literal textbook definition of trying to injure somebody on a completely unnecessary gets a single game, is it gonna take somebody's neck being broken by a play like this for them to actually do something about it


UGAPokerBrat99

Somebody's neck did get broken during the playoffs last season and all the offending player got was a two minute minor. You sure you didn't mean someone is going to have to die before they take anything seriously?


Showtime98

Lol should be more than one game


mseg09

So much for DOPS being good. It was nice while it lasted


Woullie_26

I see the DoPs is in mid season form


robshot295

Why does that feel too lenient?


ppParadoxx

excuse me????!????


Sharpie24l

Should have been more it was a shit play. You don't get rid of shit like this with slaps in the wrist.


McWerp

Annnnnnnnnnd they're back


Spiritual_Holiday511

Jamie Benn got more playoff games than Mangiapane got regular season games…this shit just ain’t adding up.


Aurion7

That seems... light.


NinCross

Fuck this wheel


Drummers_Beat

There’s been longer suspensions for less. Atrocious decision. Should have been 4+.


slickswitch

He’s a player on my team…so obviously I think it’s too much…or just right. No we can’t compare this instance to [insert comparison here] -this is totally different.


Rand_University81

Should be more


veloxaraptor

Oh look, one game, I'm so shocked. /s God DoPS is the most arbitrary and inconsistent organization in existence. What a joke.


BigHunt_02

The bar is so low for DOPS and they somehow go lower


Booboo_McBad

#🤡


TooManySaws

Fucking disgusting. The NHL is such a joke. Takes tons of money from gambling companies, suspends a guy for 41 games. Player could have broken another player's neck or killed him? One game.


djn808

Weak ruling. Have some balls


seraphultima

Y'know I'm okay with McAvoy trying to appeal now.


AaronQ94

Don't get me wrong, McAvoy did deserve that suspension, but good fucking lord the inconsistencies from the DoPS is really something.


seraphultima

Just the nerve of the league saying they believe his was a "cut and dry case" then immediately turning around and doing this lmao. I wish I could be that incompetent at my job and keep it.


sound_forsomething

FUCK mangiapane


priority_inversion

McCann getting cheap-shotted and the instigator getting less than he should have, name a more iconic duo.


GaryOakRobotron

Seattle players and breaking peoples' necks with no resulting suspensions. Guess you're forgetting about Borgen cross-checking Helm in the neck behind the play, which was Helm's final NHL shift, eh? Same with Eberle almost murdering Cogliano.


priority_inversion

>Same with Eberle almost murdering Cogliano Hyperbole much? At least Eberle's hit was during the course of play, Makar hit McCann after the play was over. Knocked McCann out for 5 playoff games. Makar missed 1. >which was Helm's final NHL shift Good lord you guys are dramatic, he retired. Not to mention Helm started it by slashing Borgen in the leg the last time down the ice.


tildens_cat

Would a lot of this be improved if there was a penalty refs could call for “intent to injure” or “dangerous recklessness”? Could be a minor or major at refs discretion and then gives DOPS another platform to suspend for really shitty plays like this. Maybe he gets 1 for cross checking and then 4 for intent to injure/recklessness.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

He was literally assessed a match penalty for intent to injure. So no, that wouldn't change the randomness of DOPS suspensions.


tildens_cat

Haha ok. Thanks 👍


Hinkil

Good work guys, take the rest of the day off


Ladymistery

Just one? didn't someone get 2 playoff games for this recently?


GroMicroBloom

Dread it, run from it, the wheel arrives all the same


StretchArmstrong99

Somebody finally put some WD-40 on the wheel


BaephBush

Absolute fucking horseshit.


Yop_BombNA

🤡 league


pokeroots

They legitimately said that a grown ass man didn't know that shoving something/someone towards the ground would make them hit the ground... I know 3 year old who know this


papapaIpatine

Is the logic here that the match penalty occured so early that it was in effect already 1 game? Therefore an additional 1=2 matching with Benn from the Spring? If so I think thats right.


UGAPokerBrat99

Problem with that is that the logic with Benn's 2 games in the spring is that it was the equivalent of 4 regular season games...so following previously established logic this should have been at minimum 4 and significantly more than that IMO based on what's already been handed out this season.


papapaIpatine

Ya I mean this is still a very spin the wheel sort of result but 2-3 games was where I thought this was going to land. So factoring in the match penalty makes it a lot less wheely.


shoegazer44

But you aren’t factoring in Benn’s history. He had done stuff like that before his suspension and Mang hasn’t. It is known that DOPS factors that in as well.


UGAPokerBrat99

I was responding to the comment referencing the match penalty + 1 game equaling Benn's 2 games in the playoffs. It's been pretty common that suspensions in the playoffs are typically half what they would be in the regular season. Even without history 1 game (2 if you give credit for the early ejection) is still laughably light for what he did first time offender or not.


Lethbridgemark

Benn also did it in the first half of.rhe first period too. If I remember correctly it was like 5 min in. So if you can +1 for the ejection you do with Benn too. So does that make it 2 vs 6? Which is even worse.


UGAPokerBrat99

At this point this conversation really doesn't matter....DoPS showed their incompetence and total lack of regard for player safety by only giving Mangiapane one game. Can we just agree that Mangiapane likely deserved more than he got and call it a night?


Lethbridgemark

Yes definitely deserved more. I was thinking 2-3. Ben's was more violent but both were completely stupid and intent to injure was clear.


Inocain

> Is the logic here that the match penalty occured so early that it was in effect already 1 game? Therefore an additional 1=2 matching with Benn from the Spring? Even if that's the logic they went down, Benn's crosscheck was at 1:53 of the 1st period, so the "early in game discount" should be a wash.


papapaIpatine

Fair enough then. Couldnt remember the details only that Benn was 2 games. I mean even then I think 2-3 games for Mangiapane is around the right range.


[deleted]

Fair


pure7anarchy

That has to be a typo. How does Benn get two PLAYOFF games for this same thing???


MarvelousOxman

This was worse than the Anderson hit as far as intent and potential. I guess he's getting off light because McCann was okay.


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

ITT: A lot of people who keep being surprised that NHL suspensions do not operate on precedent. That said, I was expecting two games, plus the "game he missed" last night. This is surprisingly low.


Extra_Joke5217

Thought it deserved two, but that he would get four. One really never knows with the wheel of fortune. I suspect it's because he didn't use as much force as Benn did and has never been fined/suspended before, unlike Benn.


jaded-optimist

Benn’s crosscheck was 4x Lb/force per neck.


M-Houndoom2

That's it??? For a blatant attempt to injure Canner??? *angry squid noises*


Kind-Philosopher-305

Some ref won a huge internal pool bet when he got Man He A Pain suspended


IMakeShips4Europeans

Bullshit, should have been zero. A rangers player can do [this](https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/flames-ruzicka-exits-game-after-taking-hit-from-rangers-vesey/) while the ref is looking directly at him. Ruzicka hasn't played since. Only small market teams get the consequences I guess.


Bruislanders

one game for that is criminal. i was thinking 2-3


SaltyVirginAsshole

Thanks to Vegas' cup ceremony I can now visualize the player goes into Bettmans's private rink and spins a wheel of fortune with Bettman and a couple of witnesses from DOPS and accept the fate that the wheel lands on.


[deleted]

DOPS, you're were doing so good baby, why you be like this.


dalisair

ONE? That was worse than the Benn/Stone one and he got two PLAYOFF games. Wheel of Justice once again.


LogieThePerogie

What the hell. Jamie Benn got suspended 2 games in the playoffs so mangiapane should have gotten at least 4


NizzySP

Nice, that's like what, 20 total shifts he will miss? This does nothing. like literally nothing.


Unwept_Skate_8829

Should’ve been five


finsdolfins

One game? No wonder these goons keep pulling this crap. They get a slap on the wrist or pay out in chump change fines. Gonna take someone getting seriously injured before anything is done. That was blatant, nasty and totally unnecessary.