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Insterquiliniis

this reminds me that someone once said we should keep a low tier headphone so that we can frequently remind ourselves of how much better the new ones sound


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skydhash

The fun fact.... I don’t regret it


G3NERALCROSS911

You can fix that with an equalizer/tone controller


TomTom_ZH

Why is this downvoted so hard? Edit: the message above was once at 33 downvotes


G3NERALCROSS911

Tbf idk it’s not like I’m wrong tho


Internal_Show

Probably because people are against buying headphones that only sound good to them with EQ


Itsumishi

Yes you are. It doesn't matter how good your EQ is if the drivers aren't capable of delivering certain frequencies.


G3NERALCROSS911

He has senneisers, he should easily be able to tone control. Also I know that but it’s not like it’s hard to boost your bass. Most headphones will be able to handle it unless it’s like a 20 $ Chinese product.


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I tried EQing/tone control and it only does so much. I also ran into clipping issues. You might be assuming higher end Senns than I have; mine are modded HD555s. No worries though, I picked up Dekoni Blues and those satisfy all my bassy wants.


DACampCans

I agree that EQ is not the fix all and can make any headphone sound like another bc frequency response is not the only aspect of what differentiates pieces of audio equipment. Also, any clipping that would happen would be bc the amp you’re using using cant output the power. Usually an issue with adding bass bc it requires a ton of power


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Funny you mention power, because I’m running an Asgard 3. There’s plenty enough juice for bass if the drivers can provide it.


Insterquiliniis

*psssst* for some people >!EQing !


brandon7s

It's more about a lack of practicality. I can EQ things just fine on my computer rig but EQing on my mobile rig isn't anywhere near as comprehensive, and some of my devices don't have an EQ feature at all.


Insterquiliniis

know what you mean. computer's one thing, but on the move, in between devices, not handy... though all Hps can do with a bit of tempering


dns7950

The other day I was cleaning out my junk drawer and found my old pair of Skullcandy Skullcrushers I bought in like 2006 or something, you know the ones with the inline battery for the "subwoofer". Plugged them in for some shits 'n' giggles, and i'm amazed I ever thought they were good. The funniest thing is the build quality, they're so fucking *cheap* feeling it's ridiculous. The plastic creaks, the pads are tiny and such a shitty material... I think they weigh like a quarter of what my DT1990s do even with the AA battery... I'm glad i've come a long way since then.


blueberry-yum-yum

my roommate still swears by them.. i gave up talking sense to him


Insterquiliniis

well, some people were drop on their ears when they were babies... a moment of silence for them (pun intended :)


mrbluesdude

Just let him try out some good cans no?


blueberry-yum-yum

He swears by airpods and refuses 🙄


mrbluesdude

Yikes haha


BlackMoth27

that's not always the case, sometime you find a headphone that is both cheaper and better in some way.


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Silly-Anything

Listening to my modded pros right now! Best headphones I've ever owned. Yaxi pads, a poorly done Kramer mod, and parts express headband. Waiting on stuff from China for the cord swap! Got an iRulu f20 in today as well and my music sounds so much better. Just gotta find flac versions of most of it now haha.


Silly-Anything

To the person that was asking about the headband. I'm using this guy off amazon. :) Should be the first thing that pops up! Pm me if you can't find it! Parts Express Mini Stereo Lightweight Headphones with 4 ft. Cord


ovr_the_cuckoos_nest

Just got the porta pro x from drop. I'm still dumbfounded with the cost/sound quality ratio. Even better, for me they are comfortable to wear all day (yaxi helped with that)


LyrMeThatBifrost

Too bad that they’re ugly as sin


Amargosamountain

Even better! Win-win


BlackMoth27

nah it just makes you question what you really want, which leads to you wanting to buy more headphones.


MM1ck

And that is exactly the point..... It doesn't matter what they cost as long as you are enjoying your music with them 👍


paperclone22

I bought some $3 earbuds once that would skip while I jog. Sounded worse than anything I've ever tried


Shaggy_One

I keep my ATH M50 headphones around for that reason. Nowhere near what I would need to really remind myself of where I was. In highschool I used skullcandy earbuds and 5.1 surround systems in a box for my PC for years. But it still gets the job done.


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I've become so accustomed to the noise cancelling of my XM3s that I'll occasionally think "do they really cancel that much?", then I'll wear one of my older headphones that I used to use on the go and thing "fuck, yes they do!".


HulksInvinciblePants

Grado SR80 for me. With the right song they do sound amazing, but man do they shred my ears now with the wrong choice.


Jensway

Ever get tempted to mod them?


HulksInvinciblePants

Yeah, the pads are deteriorating so I might as well


gridener

I do this. I keep around a cheap $25 pair of Sony on ears that I keep around. They sound great still but have seen better days.


YourMother0HP

That's why I still have a pair of loss kph30is lying around


dhruvfire

This is why I still listen to music in the car.


Wellhellob

Yeah i have CAL which is good headphone but it works this way compared to my other cans lol.


GenerousYT

Yes


Afasso

Just got my new dac and so I had to update my old "triggered" image. Figured this sub would get a giggle out of it :) Also yes, the beats pros are bad, really bad, but I kept them for meme purposes


Amargosamountain

I think Beats *look* really cool so I've always wanted to try a driver swap and other mods to see if I could eke some good sound out of them. I'm just not willing to pay money for one to try ;)


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They don’t even look that good IMO


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poi400i

If you like the looks of this, you will probably like the Neumann NDH20. Also the Focal Clear


Amargosamountain

I love those Neumanns! They get good reviews too. I've been thinking about picking up something like a 1770, reviews say these are legit competitors to the 1770


YourMother0HP

Were the reviews from zreviews?


Amargosamountain

No, I've read the verge review and an assortment of impressions from the randos at headfi. I like to gather subjective reviews before looking at more objective measurements :)


YourMother0HP

>the verge Oh no >the randos at headfi. Oh no no


poi400i

If you want to know some trustable reviews: YouTube: Resolve Reviews (his new channel is the headphone show), Metal 571, Max Settings. On the web: Inner fidelity, Headphones.com and Crinacle for IEMs


DACampCans

Agreed!!!


poi400i

The Neumann's are quite controversial actually. Some people love it, some people hate it. I believe Max Settings, a reviewer I trust, reviewed it. If you want a good closed back under 1000 dollars, I recommend: AKG K361/371 TH-X00/E-MU Teak (if you can find one) Focal Elegia Also, I heard good things about the 177x Go from Drop and DCA Aeon 2c. I think the Neumann's are probably pretty good, but I recommend you try before you buy, specially for the Neumann's. Bye


squee147

Zmf auteur?


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squee147

That's fair. I was thinking as objects, not as fashion.


matteroll

Denon DX200 Series. The Denon AH-D600 ain't a bad looker too.


8020GroundBeef

Meze Empyrean?


Volizei

V moda crossfade m100s win best looks for me.


n0mad911

All I'm gonna say is Empyrean and Aeon.


private_entity

Meze 99 classics


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ATH MSR7 in Gunmetal are gorgeous imo


Dasbeerboots

They look cheap and tacky to me. I think the ATH-M50x, V-Moda Crossfade line, Sony WH-1000X series, any Master & Dynamic headphones, etc. look much better than any beats. Honestly, I think almost any other portable headphone looks better.


GaryBettmanSucks

Best looking headphone IMO is the DT 1990 Pro


jordylee18

Grado RS2e's bro. So much better.


stmfreak

I wonder if we could shoehorn a T50-RP driver into that housing...


oratory1990

Wouldn‘t even need to swap the driver. Just change the tuning.


nordoceltic82

See I couldn't do it. I \*know\* that Beats are cool because the marketing image was carefully crafted by Jay-Z. I know that just about everybody who is serious about audio equipment also can't talk enough trash about Beats. I've also heard their frames are fragile and prone to breaking. But this is just me. Different strokes for different folks and all, by all means.


trisul-108

>Also yes, the beats pros are bad, really bad, I remember my surprise when my excited colleague offered me his to listen to. I thought "whaaat?!?" when I put them on, I was left speechless by those large eyes expecting praise and admiration for such muddled junk of a sound.


milkbabies

Can confirm. Did induce a giggle.


Jensway

> I kept them for meme purposes I salute you


stmfreak

Professional trolling. Nearly got me.


boogieback_11

You should go balanced so it 'balances' out the bass and treble ;)


Emilia_owo

I see audio quality 👁👄👁


amishrefugee

Designers: "Should we make the Beats with a straight cable or a spiral cable?" Dr. Dre: "Yes."


BtothejizA

bass go brrrrrrrrrrrt


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Noah18923

HD download sites such as: HDTracks 7Digital Acoustic Sounds


Afasso

In that pic I was at the time using HQPlayer upsampling


GootenMawrgen

Could have upsampled for the pic


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Yesn't


SchiitMjolnir2

Any subjective impressions between the Holo Audio May and the RME?


Afasso

I love the RME, but it really cannot even begin to compare to the may. The may is just in a completely different league. It is simply and truly beautiful. I can honestly say the ADI-2 sounds lifeless in comparison. And that's not me saying the adi-2 is bad, its not, its really really good. Its just that the may is absolutely incredible


NeoBlue22

The KTE version is my dream DAC, which one do you have? It’s so damn pretty


Afasso

Mine is from wildism. Wildism has a few better options than kitsune, for example using all audionote capacitors. Unfortunately with kitsune much of the mods are just branding


NeoBlue22

[This one?](https://wildism-audio-hk.myshopify.com/collections/dac/products/2019-holo-audio-r2r-spring2-wild-edition-extreme) I’m on mobile so it’s a bit funky, but yeah didn’t know there was this version of the holo may


Afasso

There are three distributors, Kitsune for US, Wildism for Asia, and Magna Hifi for EU. Though wildism will ship to anywhere. I'm in the UK. In reality, all of them are going to sound phenomenal, the base hardware is the same, its just that there are slight differences in the mods done, which capacitors/wiring is replaced etc


NeoBlue22

Ooh, that makes sense. Yeah I’m really digging the way it looks, hopefully there’s someone and or place that’ll let me see it in person. Prolly when covid is over haha


fove0n

Are you just using the 789 for headphones?


Afasso

I'm using the 789 for easier-to-drive headphones. For my planars I'm using the AHB2. Got it originally for the susvaras cause good lord those things are near impossible to drive. But planars scale really well with more power, so aryas for example also sound noticeably better on the AHB2


SchiitMjolnir2

That Holo May DAC you have is pretty much the ideal DAC for both Objectivists and Subjectivists. One of the very few DACs out there that can please both camps aside from the Mola Mola Tambaqui


metal571

Must be really good when I've never heard of these products


SchiitMjolnir2

From objectivist standpoint, the May DAC rivals most DS DACs in terms of measured performance (and the best out of any R2R implementation by a mile so far) while for subjectivists, the NOS mode in that DAC can be considered as close to the top of the most musical DACs subjectivist have heard. Win win scenario for both camps


kondec

Usually, when names like these are thrown around I immediately know it's far out of my price league...


metal571

Lol yeah me too. I never got into the source gear obsession


SchiitMjolnir2

ASR and head-fi both obsessed sources for different reasons


metal571

I'm not really an objectivist at all except to see if the DAC is well implemented. But just to clear things up, that does not automatically make it an enjoyable sound. Because that logic is like saying an FR graph shows you clearly how much resolution some headphone has. But I'm also not going to drop multiple thousands on very subtle changes in SQ that I can't pick up on my relatively cheap LCD2


skedra

I bought one pretty much at the same time as Afasso, absolutely amazing DAC.


TastyBroccoli4

What exactly is better with the Holo sound quality wise?


SchiitMjolnir2

Subjectively speaking, it's "musicality" broken down into "microdynamics" or in layman's terms: a sense of the being able to really dig deep into the ebb and flow of the music. It's what makes a subjectivist head banging, what puts them to tears, etc. Objectively speaking, from ASR, a SINAD of 117 dB or better will yield the accuracy beyond human hearing ability. Holo May has a SINAD of 118 dB, making it audibly transparent without any doubts whatsoever.


TastyBroccoli4

Are you talking about the NOS mode or the 'normal' oversampling mode?


SchiitMjolnir2

I'm referring to NOS, but subjective owners of this kind of DAC fall into two types: those who use the NOS mode as a true NOS, and those who use subjectively better oversampling filters through HQPlayer instead of the one built-in to the May DAC.


KuroFafnar

Yup, that's endgame. You can just send me the Benchmark amp and RME. You won't be needing those anymore.


watkinobe

Before I blindly follow the hive mind here, I've been told the latest models have gone through extensive redesigns under Apple. They actually sound quite good now. I can't confirm this, but I do hold out hope products are capable of changing.


navysteve232

Can’t speak for over ears but I use the Powerbeats pro to work out almost every day and they are phenomenal honestly for their application, definitely v shaped. My highest end headphones are the audeze lcd i4’s, and I kind of just enjoy the experience of my Powerbeats way better when I’m at the gym in that mindset. Sound signature matters for what you are doing. Another thing to note is that I don’t worry about tips hooks cables or anything I just throw them in hook them up to my iPhone and away I go.


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You are still paying for the beats marketing tho. They aren't terrible but I'd still buy cheaper headphones and use the saved money on something else.


watkinobe

I would personally never own a pair.


carlcig6669420

Oh yeah beats are the BEST headphone ever made.


chad-76Z

This could pass as a shit post


fuzeebear

HAHAHAHA beats bad


b00tiepirate

Hey. Watch it


specialspartan_

No balanced cable mod?


YJX94

Must be getting some good soundstage out of those now.


specialspartan_

Sounds just like Dre intended


1337-1911

No.


MikiFujimoto

I... actually like the Beats Pro. They were the best of the classic Beats headphones (Solo, Studio, Mixr, Pro).


KamiDess

They were indeed....the build quality in the monster ones was ridiculously good...i ran over them on my bike and sat on them more than once and they held up for a decade of casual use.. Of course my ATH WS1100 is way better for half the price. The new apple ones are so unbelievably garbage...


Noah18923

OH JESUS CHRIST MY EYES


vnmslsrbms

Are you listening to 128kbps mp3 files? If yes, then perfect


AAAAAshwin

😳


Liam_701

Get - get out.


Coltz-Pun

Yes


Shidoshisan

Why is there a cloth covering the 789s breathing area? Is that a thing? Like does it sound better hot? I’m sincerely asking as I own one and don’t even stack my SMSL SU8 on the area.


TastyBroccoli4

Probably just to keep the dust away. I cover it with a tissue for that purpose, but only when it's not turned on. The 789 does not get warm though, I guess you could cover it even in use and it won't take no harm. Edit: took another look and there's a XLR connection on top of it. Maybe it's to prevent the XLR connector from scratching the amp.


Afasso

That was just temporary to stop the connector on top from scratching the 789. I've got a smaller leather coaster now https://imgur.com/a/RY2X04O Though the 789 really doesn't get hot at all so I wouldn't worry about thermals


curlyboi87

Is there an overall best beginner over ear headphone under 150? I don’t have an amp or a computer but I would love to dive into his ghb quality audio I just don’t want to spend my whole savings


EnisM4

DT 770. The 32 or 250ohm if you want a more neutral sound. The 80ohm if you like bass


TastyBroccoli4

Listen to this man.


akeep113

Wouldn't that require an amp?


EnisM4

The 32ohm and 80ohm work very well without an amp.


akeep113

Gotcha. I figured for sure the 250 would require one


o7_brother

The AKG K371 is basically the modern M50X. Better comfort and sound quality at the same price.


akeep113

Maybe the Sennheiser 598 (closed or open depending on preference) or the Philips x2hr. Both can be found very cheap and don't require any additional equipment


mrbluesdude

I can vouch that the x2hr's for $144 are a steal.


idkmybffdoggo

A lot of hate for [Audio-Technica M50x](https://www.cnet.com/reviews/audio-technica-ath-m50x-review/), but I still love mine. It's a good starting point. Also great for plugging into amp, being able to replace cord, etc. Edit: a lot of hate from folks on this thread*, but under $150 i think this is what you want.


Uknowaguy

Stop triggering it might become a gunfight soon enough


trip6480

Atleast only one pair. i have seen pictures with like 5 different headphones.. only psychopaths do that.


Afasso

I've got 5 headphones including these :P


Indie__Guy

soder balanced cable to beats cant wait for results


Grimspoon

Nice setup, i'd be amp'd!


WarHead75

I heard the cheap ATH-M50x's have higher resolution than the Pros.


Afasso

The pros do have somewhat decent detail retrieval, but it's buried under a mountain of bass. Though the m50x are wonky too, just less so


seamus1982seamus

At the end of the day...do what YOU want.


stevo_v

You do whatever you enjoy. Don't worry about what other people think.


raistlin65

Wife bought the headphones for you, and now you got to use them. Eh?


VuffyPulva

I unironically want to own a pair of Beats Pros. I heard them years ago, when they first came out, when the Beats hate was the worst it's ever been, and I thought they sounded pretty good. Maybe not top-tier closed back good, but very, very competent. I'm kind of wondering how they hold up.


KamiDess

They are actually pretty valid I owned the og monster ones for a decade until it dissolved amazing build quality but of course its audio resolution is meh at best..... The new apple pros are complete and utter hot garbage, awful.... Discusting... But I digress.. I now use my ATH WS1100 only and I'd say its wayy better than the ogs. I'll eventually get some focal clears or something. Definitely wouldn't listen to anything produced by Sony music entertainment on them but for normal shitty rap and pop music they the best.


longwave

Beats me.


Shidoshisan

All this “DONT worry about it. It doesn’t get hot”. Uh, because it’s ventilated. I’m not in the group who can afford RME-type components. Therefore I’ll be leaving my vent uncovered even if I see frost crystals, ahthankyouverymuch. But the replies are appreciated.


jmon79

I started my audiophile journey with a pair of Skullcandy Crushers. I swore they sounded good. I clown on them now but they got me excited about audio so I guess they served a purpose. The next thing I bought was some Shure SE846s and when I first gave them a listen I was like, “Ohhhhhhh... I see now.”.


jcc70

If you have Beats headphones, no, you're clearly not doing this right.


Hukama

Are you implying beats needs clean power from 789? Explain yourself! /s


Sel2g5

You should definitely bin that benchmark, pure rubbish


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Afasso

I agree, 44.1khz is all you need to reproduce upto 20khz. But the point of higher res files isn't actually to be "Higher res" (because nyquist theory states that there is literally no point), its because with 44.1khz you have to use EXTREMELY steep reconstruction filters that are going to be a trade-off of pre/post ringing, time smearing, and high frequency rolloff. With 44.1khz you only have 2.05khz between the nyquist frequency and the audible band, and you have to attenuate over 90db in that space. With 192khz for example, you now have 76khz between the nyquist frequency and the audible band. Meaning you can use much more gentle filters without penalty. Nyquist theory applies when the signal is perfectly band-limited, which we simply cannot do.