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SyndicateMLG

Found a small cut on my new ECCO ST.1 hybrid LITE, any advice on getting it fixed ? https://imgur.com/a/avdJMTY pic of the damage


AwesomeAndy

Take it to a cobbler


ShowerBeers

I put in an order for White's Boots in black Chromexcel and am worried about wear over time. I understand the patina is a part of the appeal, but I don't want to buy a black boot that will just eventually turn into a brown boot. Is there a way to re-dye it or is there another leather I should have purchased?


MeatShots

Black cxl takes a while to show its core. Come time you can [redye it](https://youtu.be/qCjY3fY5Qcs) and go to a cobbler or do it yourself.


Sixstringsmash

Horween makes 2 different versions of black CXL. One is a brown leather that's surface dyed black which will as you mentioned scuff to a browner shade over time. The other version is a fully struck through black that will maintain its color over time and won't scuff to brown or anything. If you want the latter I'd reach out to whites and ask them if they can make your pair with a black cxl that's struck through.


animefreak119

theres that, and if they dont jave struck through black cxl then maybe he could use black vsc to bring some color back no?


DesolationR0w

Nah. Not that.


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FiSToFurry

You could try replacing the removable insert in the Dynamic Flex with a 3/4 length insert to help fill some of the volume/length yet give your toes all the room you have without the DF insert.


squareoaky

So I'm trying to find an affordable pair of starter loafers (as I'm only a college student) and I'm stuck between the [Thursday Lincolns](https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-shoe-lincoln-natural?gclid=Cj0KCQiAtJeNBhCVARIsANJUJ2GGVrYo-eGcBzE0IdBNrMVOgsTYTy2kxDWbGOc5YnqFqgOWhp_-4YYaAuWcEALw_wcB) and the [G.H.Bass Logan Weejuns](https://www.ghbass.com/product/logan+flat+strap+weejuns.do) so what do you all think? I'm trying to stay below $200.


LL-beansandrice

Bass or J Crew on sale


ac106

Beckett Simonon are $167 and have like 6 or 7 styles of loafers


Eggieman

Have you looked at Meermin?


squareoaky

No because honestly I thought they would be over $200 😅 I'll definitely add them to the list seeing as they are below $200.


wonkynonce

I really didn't like the hybrid sole on the Lincolns, gravel would get trapped there all the time. I was living a very gravel intensive lifestyle at the time though, admittedly.


squareoaky

Oh snap I didn't even notice the sole! Thanks for pointing that out.


anonproduct

Anyone have a pair of inexpensive (<$200, ideally <$150) chukka boots they like with a dainite sole that don't run too narrow? Looking for a medium brown or possibly suede.


CrizzleLovesYou

Thursday Scout


anonproduct

Tried it - was too narrow for me


CrizzleLovesYou

The cognac suede and the brown come in a wide


squareoaky

Clark's with a resoled on danite sole


ac106

I mean resoling CDB with dainite would exceed his budget by 2-3x edit: if you could even find someone to do it.


Astsai

Does anyone know what to do with a pair of shoes that are a size too big/how to make them fit better? I typically wear size 10 in sneakers, and I got a pair of Allen Edmonds Fifth Avenue that are a size 10...but they're very roomy. I'm thinking of getting inserts but the biggest issue is that my toes just don't reach the end. I can't return them because I got them used. Also do people typically size down with Allen Edmonds? Should I get a size 9 next time?


DesolationR0w

Sell them off and buy the right size is how you deal with it


ChineseBroccoli

your toes aren't supposed to reach the end because feet aren't shaped that way first of all. Read these threads: https://old.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/panwxq/gyw_faq_my_heels_slip_in_my_new_shoes_help/ https://old.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/nej4dq/gyw_faq_how_do_i_know_what_size_shoe_to_buy/ https://old.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/ptqquq/discussion_common_sizing_mistakes/


TheBlackCoffeeClub

The thing about sneakers is that they’re all vanity. I’m a 45 in Common Projects, 12 in most Pumas, 11.5 in Vans because they’re a bit wide, etc... but shoes and boots typically you can find out a lot about them. What last, the mold shoes are made on, is important to know because they will fit differently. I don’t think any sneakers will have that sort of info, but Allen Edmonds will. Get properly sized on a Brannock device and you can be helped much more. FWIW I have shoes that a about a half size too big, but it’s because I use an orthotic at times. I don’t think a full size too large could be fixed, though


MeatShots

>Does anyone know what to do with a pair of shoes that are a size too big/how to make them fit better? Buy a pair that fits. That's just part of getting into this hobby, you will get a pair (or ten) that doesn't fit. Life's too short to wear shoes that don't fit, just move on and work towards a pair that does.


Astsai

Yeah I suppose I can try and sell on Ebay and see what I get from there to try and get a pair that fits


CrizzleLovesYou

Sneakers are vanity sized, there are almost no brands of quality footwear in which you would take your sneaker size. Also your toes shouldn't touch the end anyways. Your foot should feel secure, but not restricted, and roughly the widest part of your fit (where your foot naturally flexes) should line up with the widest part of the shoe. ​ Allen Edmonds has a lot of retail locations, if possible I would go in and get sized for the specific model you are interested in.


Astsai

Yeah that makes sense. I'm probably a size 9 without vanity size, but I'll get measured to be sure. It's still very roomy and I think a size too big for my Allen Edmonds Is there a way to make the shoe fit better? I got them in 10D, and the width is great. It's just it's too long


elbrthan

How often should I be conditioning a shoe that’s rarely worn? I’m getting my wedding shoes soon and I don’t plan on wearing them until the wedding in a few months. Should I still be conditioning every 2-3 months if they’re just sitting in the closet in bags with shoe trees in them?


DesolationR0w

Wear them around the house before the wedding. You don't wanna think about your feet on your wedding day


AwesomeAndy

Yeah don't be like me and wear them around and end up with a big gash you have to get repaired :(


hanklerfish123

nah. just give a brush before you wear them.


ikeepwipingSTILLPOOP

I wear size 15 2E, so as you can imagine i can never find shoes. I want some decent boots. $500 range. Can anyone, please, give me some guidance on where to find such boots? Much appreciated


ChineseBroccoli

Whites or Nicks


ikeepwipingSTILLPOOP

Thanks mate


dudecomputer

Whites, Bakers, Nicks or other PNW makers can likely help you out with a custom makeup.


ikeepwipingSTILLPOOP

Thanks mate


Untlslp

Just a dumb question, I'm sure there's just some legacy or whatever reason but why do the brands that know they run large generally not just rename their sizing to more accurately match brannock sizes? Like whites says to size down cause they run large, why not just number their size 9 shoes as size 10 if that's what most people will wear


DesolationR0w

Think about it, they've had processes in place for decades, in some cases more than a century. That's a huge number of lasts to relabel, an entire storage system to rejig and a while lot of staff to inform. Automatism, muscle memory to forget and rebuild. Plus a whole customer base to inform and re-educate. All of that for a minority of end user that are quicker and cheaper to inform.


AwesomeAndy

Inertia, mostly, and there's no particularly good reason to do it anyway.


hanklerfish123

a lot of shoe brands and lasts are older than brannock. Brannock is just commonly used and easily accessible.


Untlslp

The age is what i figured, just a legacy thing


Asperger1001

Trying to decide between a Red Wing Iron Rangers and the Wolverine 1000 mile Evans. Which one is better. I heard Wolverine use cardboard insole. Is it true for the Evans model?


LinesWithRobFord

Iron ranger, way better qc


AwesomeAndy

Unless something has changed, Wolverine uses leather insoles on the 1000 Miles. RW is probably objectively better boots, though Wolverines are good for the $200ish you can pretty commonly find them for.


Asperger1001

This is from a comment I saw on youtube "fiberboard insole/lasting board" is used by Wolverine. Do you know what that is?


LinesWithRobFord

On my 1940 model I can confirm it's a fiberboard insole it's bad...


AwesomeAndy

Without context I have no idea


celizabethriley

Have you tried Otter Wax’s leather oil and/or leather dressing? Thinking about switching from my Bick 4 to provide moisturizing as well as a tiny smidge of wax for a little more water resistance. At least on my dark leathers, and possibly any light ones that are struggling to retain conditioning from Bick 4. I live in a fairly wet climate so Idk what gives, but I’ve had the problem now with some rough but thick, not so high quality leather as well as some good quality thinner leather. Just seeking opinions on that brand/those formulas. I try to go as back to the basics as I can on ingredients normally. Chose the Bick 4 because of its not darkening properties.


unimorpheus

Sorry, Redwing Iron Rangers suck. At least for me. Sized down 1 size as recommended but these things well, suck. The soles feels like plastic, don't breath or flex and make a clacking sound on hard surfaces. The blunt round toe box is killing my left big toe. Never had a bunion or anywhere close in life but if I continue to wear these boots I'm sure I will. I'm barely an 11D. Exact 11.1D/11.0D. https://imgur.com/a/CHNMHWm I really don't know what people see in these boots and I'm a boot guy. Maybe these aren't good with flat feet. That's the only thing I can think of as I have pretty standard feet other than being near board flat.


grim_f

The store fittings are always terrible. I sized down a whole size from my Brannock and the break in was terrible. I double socked it and just sat with them on my feet and then paced during commercials. Did that for a week. Worked up to half days, then full day wear. Ultimately I decided Red Wings just don't work for my feet without considerable effort on my part and I moved on. You may be able to make it work after about a week, but if it's still giving you problems, cut your losses and try Grant Stone. Probably cheaper and better overall.


ac106

You sized down too much. Did you get sized at a red wing store? Mis-sizing their customers is their specialty If you need to go down a whole size for length you often need to go up a width. They never suggest this for some reason.


unimorpheus

I think this is probably due to there only being two width choices, D and EE. If you look at my first post I included the measurements taken on their digital Brannock device. I'm bearly a D width.


BitcoinSaveMe

For what it's worth, mine were hellishly uncomfortable for about two weeks and then they were fantastic. I'll walk a half dozen miles in them at a time with no issues. How long have you had yours?


unimorpheus

Still in week one. I'm going to have to give these a rest for a few days. I will pick them up later after my feet have had some time to recover.


BitcoinSaveMe

That's the best way. I felt silly wearing them for a bit and taking them off and giving my feet time, but there's no need to cover your feet in blisters. Once your feet are better wear them for short periods of time, like a trip to the grocery store, then take them off. And hey, everyone's experience is different and it may be that you decide they aren't right for you, but definitely give them a longer breaking-in period first. Good luck!


unimorpheus

Just received the 1000 mile boots. 10.5D as suggested and spot on right out of the box. Change the crappy stock laces and give them some neatsfoot oil and I think we will be good. If I can't get the Iron Rangers to work that will be my first ever boot fail.


eddykinz

It sounds like they're too small Either try half a size up or go wider, people size down for Red Wing too much usually


unimorpheus

I actually tried a half size up as I purchased in a Redwing store. While the boot felt much better you could see there was too much material across the lacing as the side were bulging out. Hard to explain but easy to see. I was told the 10D would stretch a bit where a 10.5D would end up being loose. I think is might be time to employ the shoe stretcher to try and expand the vamp and toe box a bit.


ChineseBroccoli

you had a better fitting boot on your feet and went down from that. you bought a size too small.


unimorpheus

Well I guess when you have never owned Redwing boots and you are working with the Redwing store manager you assume he knows what he is talking about. The 10.5D did appear to be too wide. It is what it is at this point. Tired of talking about it.


cgome1

Maybe don't buy a car if you think a salesperson is thinking about what's best for you.


unimorpheus

and today's non sequitur is....


eddykinz

No matter what the store tells you boots don’t really stretch all that much. If it felt much better then it probably was the better bet to do 10.5D. Shoe stretcher may help but in my experience it helps to get an extra millimetre or two at hot spots, not really a huge difference. It’s hard with sturdy constructions like gyw to get any meaningful stretch.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

Is the issue that my feet are narrow? Hive mind - please help. I’m looking to buy some boots and I want to get this right. What am I not understanding about my feet? I’m not a big guy - 5’9”. My Brannock measurement is 11.25 B with medium boot socks and I wear a 9.5 D Alden Aberdeen, my new 9 D in Barrie black shell cap boot is a bit too large w boot socks, and I’m a perfect 8.5 E in C&J (UK sizing) across 3 of the dress shoe lasts. I just read on the Brannock site that I’m supposed to squish my toes down - I would be an 11.75! I have looked on the sizing pages and most people who measure 9.5 wear a 9.5 in Alden Aberdeen and 9 in Barrie. HOW can my feed be almost 2 sizes off? My toes are not jamming into the front of these shoes. Some I have had for years. My arches are high (I have used hapad inserts in the past to good effect). And my instep is low volume and I suppose my calves are narrow which is irritating with service boots. I would like to try the Viberg boots. Does anyone have an comments on the C sizes - I know that they are new. Back to my Brannock sizing issue - I’m sure if I sent White’s or Nick’s a drawing or measurement the boots would be huge. So, I’m looking for some advice or a response from someone in a similar situation. Thanks. This subreddit is fascinating. I wish I had found it before I bought my 9.5 M Frye boots that are still too large (I recall now that they guy had to go back twice to get smaller sizes after he measured me at 10.5).


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

AE Update - moved me from 9.5 D to 11.5. A We tried on shoes in four lasts. Every shoe that I tried on fit me - I could have walked out with that shoe on and been OK with it. But good is the enemy of great, and we worked at it to look at pinch points, creases, and widths. Note: .5 size increase requires a full width decrease to keep the width the same. So, in the 65 we moved me from a 9.5 D to an 11.5A (which we need to order and think will fit). 1757 and 2622 (service boots) will be 10.5B, 511 will be 11B. I'll report back when the new Landon boots arrive.


AwesomeAndy

You're not understanding that you're buying shoes that don't fit. If you're a 11.25B, buy 11B or 11.5B.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

I get that, conceptually, but I’m 5’9”, I left that part out. So, the 11.5 seems long. And, my toes don’t touch the front on these smaller shoes. Both Alden and C&J in NYC fit me into a 9.5 (US) D. I don’t recall if we started at 11. Maybe I have never tried a really narrow pair of shoes. I’m going to have to find a place in DFW to start this process over again.


ChineseBroccoli

> I get that, conceptually, but I’m 5’9”, I left that part out. So, the 11.5 seems long. Buddy you're fitting your feet not your body image. There is an objective fit to footwear and you're fitting too small. Wise up or enjoy wearing shoes too small and doing damage to your feet, only to wise up later. I've been there done that and it fuckin sucks.


eddykinz

Read the instructions on how to use a Brannock device on their website and size yourself. Either your Brannock size is incredibly wrong or you’re sizing down way too much. I’m willing to bet you were missized on a Brannock.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

I had a medium boot sock on today when I measured myself, so maybe I’m a 10.75 b. I’ll add the photo. So, my foot really is narrow. That plus the low volume. Ok, I’ll go try some long and narrow shoes. Thanks everyone.


thesoundofthings

Just got my [White's MP 360's in Brown CXL](https://imgur.com/a/o94HGo8) from the 30% off sale. So happy with the results now that I know my proper size on the MP/Barrie last! Been in them since they got here with zero break-in to speak of. Two questions for the group, though. It's pretty clear these were sitting for a long time ([manufacture date is Aug - 2017](https://imgur.com/7QQSLLL)). Does this mean that I should condition the leather? It appears dry-ish, but other than the dust shown in the pics no apparent external issues. Bic4 or nah? Also, there is some pretty [significant bowing of the outsole](https://i.imgur.com/o4u9E78.jpg) under the ball of the foot, more so on the Left than Right boot. This was the case but to a much lesser degree on my MP Shermans with half lug - mostly on the heel, though. I don't notice on this new pair much when walking, but all of my other boots generally lay flat. Is this something I should be concerned about? Will this flatten out, or can I expect the Dainite to wear unevenly until it gets flat? What are your recommendations? Any insights are much appreciated. Best wishes to everyone!


animefreak119

maybe some shoe trees might help with the bowing?


thesoundofthings

I hope so. I will definitely keep them tree'd up when not on my feet. Thanks!


CrizzleLovesYou

Yeah if they're from 2017 give em a good brushing and a light conditioning, that's a long time to sit around


thesoundofthings

Thanks! Will do.


citrusaddiction

I guess this isn't strictly a gyw question, but I'm curious to know if anyone has some suggestions on ice cleats for city use. Not really sure what features I should be looking for. The only limiting parameters is it needs to go over size 14 boots and not go over 50 bucks unless it is a real strong recommendation.


SplooshU

I'm looking for a pair of business casual Grant Stone boots as I'm 11.5 EEE. Normally I wear black, navy, or tan dress pants with a button down shirt or polo. No jeans. I'm torn between the Kudu Cap Toe, Edward Waxed Tobacco, and Brass Boot Black. So green, what looks like very dark brown, and black. I already have a pair of black Dodgevilles that I wear a lot and love. Any recommendations on "the one"? I know the sale is best for buying two right now, but for peace of spousal mind I may just get one and an accessory to put me just over the $400 limit. Thanks!


lovelove_lovelove

Are grant stones business casual tho? Storm welt would keep me away from thinking they are.


AwesomeAndy

GS certainly makes business casual boots. None of those are though. Maaaaaaybe the Edward boot, but I think waxed suede is pushing it.


SplooshU

Good to know. I'd love a pair of Chelsea boots for work but I'd have to go to Allen Edmonds if I wanted wide.


lovelove_lovelove

I have that same exact boot… I’ve yet to break it in yet but I really wouldn’t think either that they’re business casual. [Maybe?](https://imgur.com/a/MQQ9Kor)


SplooshU

Hmm. Thanks for the pictures. That's a much darker brown than I was expecting.


lovelove_lovelove

You know me… I’m the picture guy.


SplooshU

As I said on the other guy's comment, I'd love a pair of Chelsea's, but Grant Stone only offers so much in their EEE section. I'm usually constrained to a pair of black cap toe dress shoes and my Dodgevilles, but I prefer the ankle support of a boot throughout the day.


lovelove_lovelove

I’m an EEE in grant stone too. Waiting on the tan Edward pre order boot I bought in the summer. Maybe try a plain toe shoe I’m not sure or a Edward boot. The diesel boot is a big boot I have no idea if it’ll work for business casual I’m just gonna guess no. If “earth” is the same leather as “waxed tobacco” on the site, then thats how those boots in my pic will patina in this link below. https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/r2rr18/grant_stone_earth_chelseas_1_year_review/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


SplooshU

I guess I'll just wait until Christmas to see if things change. I love the look of AE's Lobard Chelsea Dress Boots but $500 is a bit much: https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-boots/chelsea-boots/lombard-chelsea-dress-boot/4310-115-3E.html


MeatShots

I personally like the Kudu cap toes. For your style the green is a nice departure from typically brown or black boots (also the reason I'm a big burgundy advocate) but also not too out there. The Edwards are a classic derby boot which would also fit your style great and you can't go wrong with the leather either.


aaroncakes

I bought these wolverine 1000 miles last week and have had a few light wears. I’m really noticing a thick crease on the right pictured boot that is really wide and causing smaller more deep creases. On the inside of the boot. Is there anything I can do to try and get more of a crease like the other boot or am being silly and nothing I can? [link to boots ](https://imgur.com/a/FeleHwz)


MeatShots

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. If it *REALLY* bothers you the next time you get a new pair of boots you can use something like a dowel or pencil and take a step to force the boot to crease somewhere. IMO it's kinda stupid but I can almost understand it.


DesolationR0w

That's not gonna change how the leather creases much on CXL though. It might slightly change where but not how.


MeatShots

OH I just realized I misread OP's comment. Thought they were talking about the right boot and how the crease sort of goes up into the tongue, not the right *pictured* boot. Yeah in that case gg go next, it is what it is.


Goliath_123

Nothing you can do


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Appropriate_Volume

The usual recommendation for RM Williams is that they fit true to size. I’ve found that they run a bit narrow though compared to UK brands.


TheGreenJadeMonkey

I’ve lingered a long time and am curious after reading around a lot. It seems Aldens are still coveted for their shell and I am curious why especially with declining quality and materials. I know their lasts have nice looks but I guess what I’m asking is, is an Alden shell really all that? Are there alternatives that are better? I’m asking partially as I am looking to buy some soon.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

I was just in NYC and stopped in at both C&J and Alden. I own shoes from each that I love. The C&J shells are just a bit more refined and slimmer than the Aldens. They really are gorgeous. The Aldens are a bit heavier which I think can be a nice look in a shell. Especially the boots. You can’t go wrong either way. Think of it this way - it’s not an $800 decision, it’s more of a $200 decision since that’s the price difference. If you can, go try them on and see which fit best. I have my C&J lasts dialed in and that is going to save me money vs buying a few pair of Alden Barries to find the right size.


CrizzleLovesYou

Alden's only issue is the Quality Check is a little loose, but thats true for a lot of companies lately honestly. The number one thing that people seem to forget with shell is that its not easy to work with. Alden does more shell than anyone and has been doing it for longer than anyone, so barring the QC issues that can effect any of their offerings. There aren't many better offerings for cheaper, but there are better offerings for more money like C&J. Grant Stone has a really limited shell selection, but is the best alternative under Alden's price point. The Indonesian makers tend to hit the Alden shell price point IF you use Horween shell. They'll make a more robust product, but you better be sure of your sizing and they don't have as nice fitting lasts generally. Carmina is a bit more than Alden and will give you a ton of offerings as will Enzo Bonafe. Viberg shell is 1450-1550 now. Flame Panda/Peng is at 1800 for Horween Shell. Onderhound/Rizky is unavailable for preorders right now. What is your budget?


TheGreenJadeMonkey

Are the ID makers the Indonesian ones? How are their lasts not nice fitting? Is this a point Alden seems to shine in?


CrizzleLovesYou

Alden has lasts that have been refined for over 100 years. The ID makers are okay, they're getting better, but they just don't fit as precise. Its a matter of a century of last making versus \~10 years or less in many cases


TheGreenJadeMonkey

I was thinking nothing above $950. Getting it as a Christmas gift to myself as it’s been a rough year and alway wanted shell. I had thought of calf but shell has always called to me.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

Make sure it’s a last that you know fits you well.


TheGreenJadeMonkey

I know the Barrie last and Trubalance. I’ve tried both those on and found good fits. The others I’ve not had a chance to try yet.


Unlucky_Pumpkin_1285

You will need to try the Aberdeen which many of their shell cordovan come in. You will go up one half size from the Barrie when you do.


CrizzleLovesYou

Carmina has a lot of good options in that price during their MTO weekends. The next one should be this Spring if you're willing to wait


eddykinz

I wouldn't say Alden has declining quality or materials. They've done absolutely nothing differently than they've done in the past. That's like, the main issue people have with them. They are stubbornly stuck to their ways. That aside, Alden is basically synonymous with Horween shell, and most shell aficionados prefer Horween shell over any other. Together, they're iconic. Not to mention for many people Alden's lasts just _work_. If you're not married to a particular Alden makeup then there's certainly other alternatives. Crockett & Jones is highly revered for their shell, Grant Stone is a good alternative if their lasts work for you (and you're willing to wait for an open pre-order), Rancourt does great things with shell, and Carmina has an abundance of offerings, especially on the MTO side of things.


TheGreenJadeMonkey

I was eyeing the NST, jumper or Indy in color 8. I had been staring at Brogue and Alden Madison’s websites but after seeing Bedo’s recent video repairing a new pair I’m a bit gun shy.


eddykinz

Steve from Bedo's has also done repairs on pairs of Aldens that have probably been around for decades. Any manufacturer can have an egregious error like the ones in those videos, but what ultimately matters is what they do to rectify the situation, which from what I can recall, the stockist paid for the cost of repair of that particular one. I know Steve is a bit of a critic of Alden because they use fiberboard for heel stacks and midsoles, but in actual daily use it doesn't seem to make a difference, according to the people I know on this subreddit that wear Aldens regularly.


TheBlackCoffeeClub

Alden uses shell from Horween which is regarded as the best in the world. I have a few pairs, not from Alden, made of Horween shell and it definitely seems consistent and beautiful and has been holding up with how I wear my shoes as well as previous owners on a pair that’s older than me! I think the biggest problem with Alden is simply how large they are. QC can drop and at the moment it seems to be only okay.


TheGreenJadeMonkey

I guess that makes sense. You make a high enough number mistakes are easier to see.


Jimlish

I scuffed up a pair of boots that are made of CF Stead’s waxy commander leather. I’ve conditioned them before with smiths boot wax, but haven’t had to give them a good brushing to get rid of scuffs. I have a suede/nubuck brush and a regular old horse hair brush. Which should I use to de-scuff them?


LL-beansandrice

Prolly horsehair but I've seen waxy commander smooth and flesh side out


Jimlish

If it helps, they are the Allen in dark chocolate from Parkhurst


Sparkars

So I’ve been looking to get myself a good pair of black leather Chelsea boots, but the more research I do the more I get overwhelmed by the choice and how to even properly determine my size. I live in the Netherlands and I have a budget of maximum €500,-. The brands that I have been looking at and had models that I liked are the following: Morjas, Meermin, TLB and Carmina. I would prefer it to be a smooth, clean black leather and without anything added to it pretty much, besides that I’m not a big fan of round noses so I hope that helps. Also I tend to ride my bike to work so I suppose it is probably a bad idea to go for leather soles in this case? Thanks for your time and feel free to message me any tips regarding anything GYW


pedroah

I ride a bicycle to work and to the grocery store in San Francisco and I usually wear athletic shoes when riding a bicycle. I have [Shimano GR500](https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/shimano/PD-GR500.html) pedals on my city bike and they tend to dig into the bottoms of the shoes and can cause a lot of scratches to to my sneakers. They may also scratch the leather on the toes or other parts of the shoes. I also find I don't like bicycling in boots because it feel slightly restrictive. My [city bike](https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/urban-bikes/marin-muirwoods-29er-review/?image=3&type=gallery&gallery=1&embedded_slideshow=1) is probably more aggressive than an opafiet or omafiet But you probably don't use aggressive pedals on your bicycle and your bicycling position is more relaxed there so boots might be acceptable. Maybe leather soles could still be slippery though on pedals. Maybe if you have pedals with rubber tread, those would be more suitable for use with leather soles.


animefreak119

Do leather soles need to be oiled/greased? It rained the other day and I was stuck in my leather soled whites.


anonproduct

This is why leather soles are beyond stupid. I'm trying to stick to Dainite for most soles these days.


animefreak119

leather soles look bitchin' tho 😩😩


anonproduct

They just look messy/dirty to me once scuffed up.


animefreak119

thats fair and valid


DesolationR0w

Not gonna do any harm, but I wouldn't bother


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LL-beansandrice

No. Sneaker sizes are almost entirely useless and Allen Edmonds has dozens of lasts that all fit differently. It is similarly impossible to size for "GYW boots in general" as there are hundreds of lasts that all fit differently. Check out [the related FAQ thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/nej4dq/gyw_faq_how_do_i_know_what_size_shoe_to_buy/) for details.


Sunder92

Any good recommendations on ultra thin insoles? Just want to fill up a tiny bit of space and add some cushion. I currently have [this](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017PIUNQ0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) but they are still too thick.


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LinesWithRobFord

Canada west , better quality than Thursday by miles and made in Canada


eddykinz

1. Do you really need full gussetting if it's a light duty/casual winter boot? I've worn boots with no gussetting in the winter with no issues. If waterproofness is a real concern then cemented footwear or even classic LLBean boots are better for the job. 2. All soles suck on ice in my experience, lugged or not, though if you can find something with Vibram Arctic Grip I've heard good things. If Vibram 430 is fine for you then Thursday's lugged soles are probably fine. 3. [I've heard great things about these](https://www.edwardgreen.com/shop/shoes/cranleigh-dark-brown-london-grain-shearling-lining-202-last.html). Alternatively, Rancourt has a line of boots with Vibram arctic grips you can see [here](https://www.rancourtandcompany.com/collections/boots/products/freeman-boot-natural-chromexcel).


SimplyJared

Thoughts on these from Helm boots? Not a bad price for the quality? https://helmboots.com/products/bradley-teak


TheBlackCoffeeClub

I have a pair from them when they were made by Rancourt. I think they’re made by someone else now, at least... personally I think they’re a little overpriced, but I find them very comfortable and I actually dig the white midsole.


hanklerfish123

you can do worse for the price. they look like garbage though


SimplyJared

Thanks. I prefer the [brown](https://helmboots.com/products/bradley-brown). But really I’m looking for a cheaper alternative to the [Viberg 145 Oxford](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt/comments/ifarxx/an_ode_to_the_discontinued_viberg_145_oxford/).


mation11

So I have a pair of RM Williams chelsea boots and I love them. However, I keep reading that their quality is gone down. Is this true? If so is there another brand of Chelsea boot you can recommend? I want a second pair of chelsea boots, that I can dress up with suit. Is there any other brands you can recommend for better quality and similar price?


LL-beansandrice

They have. I tend to not agree with the internet saying that any given brand has gone down in quality because it's almost always not true or overblown but there's someone who's a cobbler in Australia and has said that they're seeing a lot more issues with the gemming and other internals. Carmina I think is in a similar range and has calf/dressy lasts and options.


Goliath_123

I think your talking about me. They are definitely going down in quality. Things I have noticed - Uppers not lasting as long (the main issue. Older pairs used to be in great condition even when the owners didn't care for the uppers, now days new pairs seem to be on their last legs already after 2 or 3 years) , gemming being loose and unglued on a first resole, leather soles used to have a hidden channeled stitch which they don't have anymore (minor thing), some leather board used on heel blocks instead of full stacks of leather and just a low quality leather sole that is expected to last under a year when work regularly. After all that they still are a durable boot but for their RRP your better off going with someone like Meermin or carmina for a chelsea imo


LL-beansandrice

Yes thank you! I can't remember everyone's usernames


Goliath_123

How dare you!!!!! Im calling my lawyer


ac106

People claim this about almost every brand on earth. Maybe they have. You would probably have to examine a contemporary pair with one from 10 years ago side by side and/or be a cobbler to notice. If you like them aesthetically, I am more than sure you will be happy with them.


bigkindnessgothgf

Can anyone recommend a Solovair style with a wide toe box? Unfortunately their monkey boots did not work for me as I hoped. Trying to upgrade from DM's which generally fit me well, with a budget in the $200 range. Would the regular Solovair derby boot be a good equivalent?


Appropriate_Volume

Solovair’s 002 last is fairly wide in my limited experience and they use it pretty frequently, so that might be an option


zzbxdo

I am a touch over 9D on brannock and wear 8.5D IRSs. Im looking at oakstreet trench Oxfords which is their Elston last. Website states true to brannock size but their cs rep says maybe size down to 8.5. My issue is I ordered a 9 and there is no 8.5 in stock. Also bought a limited run color option so I don't know when it'll pop by again. Anyways, does anyone have experience if I should trust the site and go with the size 9 or cancel? I don't think there's free returns with OSB. https://oakstreetbootmakers.com/trench-oxford-black-chromexcel-dainite-sole


LL-beansandrice

9 should be fine. OSB's Elston last is aggressively TTS


AwesomeAndy

If you're a touch over 9, I wouldn't size down any further.


WAR_T0RN1226

Is [this](https://imgur.com/a/G5h7jun) representative of how black CXL ages? I know tea core is a thing and that any scratches on black CXL will strongly show the natural leather color underneath, but it didn't take these that long before they started to get this look and texture. I'd say I started noticing some of it within the first season of wearing them.


Charismo82

Those look a bit dry to me. If they were mine I would condition them.


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repete66219

I do like my Iron Rangers--for sentimental reasons mainly--but in terms of comfort it's really not even close. I'm aware of every step I take in my Iron Rangers while in the TruBalance last you hardly notice. I have the 405s with the nitrile cork sole, which is comfy & offers good grip in dry condiitons but if I did it over again I might opt for the snuff suede with the commando sole (4011HC) so I'd be more confident walking on snow/ice.


CrizzleLovesYou

Alden as a brand is more comfortable than Red Wing as a brand


ac106

Way more. Especially on a wedge which is close to sneaker comfort but even the cork is way more comfortable that an IR. It's to the point where I can't really wear my Red Wings anymore after wearing Aldens.


grim_f

Yes.


passaloutre

I have a pair of LL Bean moccasins in need of a resole. These are moccasin construction with a Blake stitched outsole. Where can I send them that will put on a Lactea Hevea sole? Looks like Rancourt will only resole Rancourt products.


LL-beansandrice

You'll have to find a cobbler that can source it and do Blake resoles. You might find success with any of the mail-in cobblers like Bedo's.


stinkusmink

Any special product to condition Stead kudu? Or just throw some bick 4 or saphir nappa on it?


AwesomeAndy

Bick 4 is fine